Chaos in Parliament during president's budget debate - As it happened

2016-05-04 16:08

Members of Parliament are debating President Jacob Zuma's budget. Zuma has been called an "accused criminal", the EFF has been thrown out and the DA has been called a "verkrampte" party. Get all the details here.

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04 May 17:46

The debate is still ongoing but we're going to close here.

IN SUMMARY: Proceedings got off to their now customary colourful start with the EFF making points of order that saw the debate being delayed by more than half an hour. The party argued that President Zuma could not address MPs after the ConCourt ruled that he failed to uphold the Constitution.

After several warnings from National Speaker Baleka Mbete, the party's MPs were eventually forced out of the house by Parliament's plain-clothed protection officers.

The EFF has promised they will lay charges against Mbete and the officers.

Zuma then spoke at length about the government's apparent achievements and the challenges it continues to face, using the phrase "a better life for all" more than a few times.

ANC chief whip Jackson Mthembu then address MPs, and warned EFF leader Julius Malema that he might meet the same fate as the Boeremag treason trialists.

He also said DA leader Mmusi Maimane was merely a front for the "verkrampte" party which he says likely has many members who long for the days of PW Botha.

Next it was Maimane's turn to speak. His statement went on far longer than he intended when nearly every sentence was stopped by a point of order for, among other things, calling Zuma an accused criminal, an alleged accused criminal and Accused Number One. 

Members will return to Parliament on Thursday to continue proceedings.


04 May 17:23
Meanwhile, this little exchange between Malema and Maimane happaned a few minutes ago on Twitter.

04 May 17:08
Radebe: Progress is being made in resolving energy challenge.

04 May 17:03
Radebe: Our country is making progress - access to education, health, housing and basic services.

04 May 17:02
Radebe: The specialised commercial crime unit has made major strides and numerous arrests.

04 May 17:00
Radebe: We're making progress in building a capable democratic state

04 May 16:59

04 May 16:57
Minister in the Presidency Jeff Radebe now at the podium.

04 May 16:56
IFP's Narend Singh says it’s very offensive for Maimane to call Zuma a thief.

04 May 16:54

04 May 16:53

Your day in court is fast approaching. When that day arrives, you are going to lose - Maimane

In this House you have the ANC caucus to protect you, out there is an independent judiciary. A ConCourt who's not afraid to say "you broke your oath of office". 

The truth is that this man IS a thief - Maimane

But no, Mthembu is not happy. Maimane insulted Zuma. He must withdraw the statement, the ANC chief whip says.


04 May 16:51

Cities and towns governed by the ANC are in decline - Maimane

The ANC of Nelson Mandela is no more. The leadership of this ANC has betrayed every citizen of SA. No wonder they cannot fill up stadiums anymore, the DA leader says.


04 May 16:49
Maimane (while a chorus of DA MPs repeat and shout): Because this is a man (Zuma) whose answer to every single allegation is: “It wasn’t me"

04 May 16:48
And still going...

04 May 16:46
The ANC's Mosebenzi Zwane is back on his feet. DA MP Walters argues that ANC MPs are harassing them.

04 May 16:43

I don't believe any individual with such a tainted record can lead this office. We've seen only lies and deception. Every cent of public money is spent on him. We cannot support a budget that spends R45m since 2009 on Zuma's legal fees - Maimane

Now a point of order interrupts Maimane again. Maimane should refer to the president as "honourable" says an ANC MP.


04 May 16:41
ICYMI: ANC Chief Whip Jackson Mthembu has warned EFF leader Julius Malema that he might meet the same fate as the Boeremag treason trialists.

04 May 16:39
Maimane let the "Accused Number One" phrase slip again. So Mthembu is up again. "Alleged Accused Number One," Maimane tries. Mthembu still doesn't like it.

04 May 16:37
Zuma has plenty to hide, & will most likely appeal Friday’s High Court ruling, wasting even more taxpayers’ money.

04 May 16:37
If Mr Zuma is innocent, he will welcome his day in court, says Maimane

04 May 16:34

Insults are not allowed in the House. Debate is allowed, Tsenoli says firmly.

Now State Security Minister David Mahlobo is up.


04 May 16:30
Don't allow this chamber to be switched off from what it's supposed to be - a chamber of political debate, insists a clearly incensed Steenhuisen.

04 May 16:28

On Friday, at the North Gauteng High Court Zuma lost the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty - Maimane

Mthembu up again. Zuma appears not to have moved from his position for the last 15 minutes at least.


04 May 16:27
Maimane says Shaik is doing remarkably well for someone who was close to death seven years ago.

04 May 16:27
Even the medical parole system has been defrauded to hand Schabir Shaik his own ‘get out of jail free’ card - Maimane

04 May 16:26

The only reason Zuma is not in jail is because he has captured every state institution with the power to put him there. - Maimane

Again Mthembu rises. Again. Maimane withdraws.


04 May 16:26
We’ve forgotten how Shaik was sentenced to 15 years for corruption for what the Judge called a “mutually beneficial symbiosis” with Zuma.

04 May 16:25
Schabir Shaik is the original Gupta, says the DA leader.

04 May 16:23
Stenoli told he is stifling free speech by not allowing DA MPs to even quote from judgments. Steenhuisen says it's fair comment.

04 May 16:21
ANC deputy chief whip accuses DA of competing with the EFF.

04 May 16:19
Steenhuisen asks if he can quote from the judgment. "No!" someone shouts. He continues regardless.

04 May 16:19

04 May 16:18

04 May 16:17

Zuma is the biggest beneficiary of the R70 billion arms deal- Maimane

Tsenoli orders that he withdraw the remark.


04 May 16:16
Maimane starts again. And gets stopped again.

04 May 16:14
Zuma sits back, hands resting on his chair's arms, while Mthembu tries to tell the House that the president can't be called "Accused Number One". There's heckling, there's nervous glancing from side to side from Tsenoli.

04 May 16:13
Maimane argues that the ConCourt ruled that Zuma "stole your (South Africans') money". He says the ANC is again led by Accused Number One.

04 May 16:12
Maimane asked to withdraw "looter in chief" comment. ANC's Nomvula Mokonyane now up. "In the interest of fairness, we can call Maimane a drug lord because police found drugs in his church".

04 May 16:08
Tsenoli orders that the remark be removed, DA promises to challenge ruling in court.

04 May 16:07
Steenhuisen points out insists that Zuma is an accused criminal and tells deputy speaker Tsenoli that he is infringing on freedom of speech rights.

04 May 16:05

Mthembu argues that the corruption charges haven't been reinstated therefore Zuma cannot be called a criminal.

Zuma stands accused in the court of corruption and racketeering, says Steenhuisen.


04 May 16:03
Now DA leader Mmusi Maimane is up. Maimane warned that he's not allowed to call Zuma a criminal in the NA. Steenhuisen argues that it is fair comment.

04 May 16:01
Mthembu says Mmusi Maimane is just a front for "verkrampte" DA who longs for the days of PW Botha.

04 May 16:00
Mthembu asked to withdraw comment that some MPs in the House are racist but says some members are opposed to transformation. Complaint that Mthembu's statement is a "conditional apology".

04 May 15:59
Mthembu says those who call for violence will go to jail. "Hon Malema, When this happens don't say we didn't warn you."

04 May 15:58
Mthembu says DA is hiding behind a human cloak, and EFF believe they can get away with anything.

04 May 15:57
Now Mthembu's moved onto white privilege and the Boeremag.

04 May 15:57
We call on all South Africans to respect the (ConCourt) judgment, says Mthembu.

04 May 15:56
ANC chief whip says like most people Zuma not perfect but he apologised, showing humility.

04 May 15:48
Mthembu: Hon Malema wherever you are the ANC will meet you wherever you are in the streets or wherever on August 3. And we will emerge victorious.

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