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ANC China trip 'not related to Dalai Lama visa'

2011-10-10 15:21

Cape Town - The ANC has confirmed that its secretary general Gwede Mantashe is leading a ruling party delegation to China to strengthen ties with the Chinese Communist Party.

"The purpose of the trip is to strengthen party-to-party relations," ANC spokesperson Keith Khoza said on Monday.

"The ANC has relationships with all progressive parties around the world. We share experiences and views and perspectives on issues of international governance."

Khoza said the government was particularly interested in learning from the political parties ruling fellow members of the Brics [Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa] bloc of emerging market economies. South Africa joined the group in December last year.

Khoza confirmed that there had been several ANC visits to China to allow officials to interact with their Chinese counterparts before the present visit.

The 10-strong delegation that left for China earlier this month included Deputy Minister of Economic Affairs Enoch Godongwana in his capacity as a member of the party's national executive committee.

Khoza denied that the visit played any role in the government's handling of the Dalai Lama's visa application. The Tibetan spiritual leader had wanted to travel to South Africa for Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu's 80th birthday.

"No, no, the trip was planned a long time before that," he said.

Comments
  • TheRealist - 2011-10-10 15:24

    *snap snap snap* Yeah, whateva...

      George - 2011-10-10 15:49

      The ANC must do all it can to encourage investments, eradicate poverty, unemployment, crime due to poverty, and stop concertrating on Tutu's parties. We will only party once poverty and crime due to unemployment has been eradicated. This is simple economics, it has nothing to do with morals. If the chinese can fund growth, investments, eradicate poverty and unemployment prevalent in 70% of black communities then the Dalai Lama and Bishop Tutu should welcome that and stop compromising the welfare of the poor. We need China than the Dalai Lama.

      d2eguy - 2011-10-10 15:52

      its all about another paid holiday for the ANC elite , paid by the tax payer . Viva corruption , Viva fraud , Viva theft , VIVA ANC .

      TheRealist - 2011-10-10 15:56

      What you say is true, it (the whole visa storie) just so happened to be a very succesful catalyst for all these economic endeavors... To be rewarded a grade A (for ass-kissing)

      phuhlisa.leukes2 - 2011-10-10 16:01

      @George "We will only party once poverty and crime due to unemployment has been eradicated" As far as I know Tutu pays for his own parties. He does not waste tax payers' money on extravagant parties

      Wonderboy - 2011-10-10 16:04

      How strong do they want these ties to be. Any way we stopped wearing ties since Madiba made his shirt famous.

      Slartibartfast - 2011-10-10 16:16

      Hmmmmm .... George .... sweetheart ... when last did you check the trade balance figures? Hmmmm ??? If you did, you would note that SA is currently running at a trade DEFICIT. If you don't know what that means, kindly do not comment on things you know nothing about. China is raping SA ... simple as that.

      SOOTHSAYER - 2011-10-10 16:29

      At the baffoons in here, China is holding every country at Ransom ....... why single out SA, the west & EU cannot survive without the Chinese cheap labour ......

      Circuswatch - 2011-10-10 16:59

      How does the ANC equate their corruption and mass theft to communism? The basis of communism is equal status for everyone - these cadres are out and out extremely corrupt capitalists. Have they got no idea what the ideology they sprout entails? Please, you are making South Africans the laughing stock of the world. Just another zot country!!

      Witbooi - 2011-10-10 19:14

      @George - you obviously did not do economics at school. You did go to school? Hope so, otherwise you are are a bigger idiot than I thought, We are creating jobs in China by the nature of imports. Mmmm - please tell me what jobs have been created by our little yellow colonialist buddies - ja mmm ja

  • saabnut - 2011-10-10 15:24

    No, and it is not a gravy train, it is a BISTO train... Pull the other one. The visa procrastination was to ensure that the sucking up to the Chinese was sufficient...

  • saabnut - 2011-10-10 15:26

    "The ANC has relationships with all progressive parties around the world. We share experiences and views and perspectives on issues of international governance." i am sorry guys- I left my brain cell in the saddlebag of my flying pig. What can possibly be progressive about a Chinese Communist Party???

      Settler - 2011-10-10 15:50

      How about adopting the Chinese progressive labour laws?

      Stir Monger - 2011-10-10 16:45

      @settler good point - may be we could get some tee shirts & stuff made here.

      frans.visserdsb - 2011-10-10 16:47

      yeah - that will be popular with COSATU... while we're at it lets annex Botswana, Namibia and Zimbabwe... like China did wih Tibet, Mongolia and is trying to do to Taiwan... I would also love to have their laws regarding children (1 per couple unless you have the means to support them) brought in - sure that will be extremely popular too...

  • MandlaSithole - 2011-10-10 15:27

    Yeah right! They were there to get a pat on the back and fight for crumbs on the end of China's dining table!

  • Dal68 - 2011-10-10 15:28

    Yet again these commie anc thieves think we are as thick and dumb as they are........eish

  • Daemos1 - 2011-10-10 15:28

    Whatever, the Dalai lama issue is over, at least we know where our government stands

  • Mr-Anderson - 2011-10-10 15:28

    Please lets not make a big deal out of this,nothing exciting here...

  • Daveza - 2011-10-10 15:29

    Must be true - our government never lies to us.

  • dithala - 2011-10-10 15:29

    Why would it be related to a Tibetan? even if it did then what?

      psydomx - 2011-10-10 15:32

      Where the Tibetans are now, is a glimpse into our future, Chinese rule is going to make Apartheid look like a holiday.

      Pickle - 2011-10-10 15:40

      Because the Chinese are OPPRESSING the Tibetans, just like the ANC are OPPRESSING it's own people right now. Pretty soon we wont be allowed to share the same internet with the rest of the world and will be forced to start eating ANYTHING we can find. Including dogs and dolphins. Viva democracy! NOT!

  • Darwinian - 2011-10-10 15:30

    "The ANC has relationships with all progressive parties around the world. We share experiences and views and perspectives on issues of international governance." hahahahahahahahahaa maaifoedies!!!!

  • psydomx - 2011-10-10 15:30

    TRUTH OF IT ALL; the ANC is slowly but surely selling South Africa out to their Chinese comrades.

      sganja - 2011-10-10 15:33

      @psydomx No they won't, we will defend Anc. mantashe and them were chosen to lead until next year. If they want to sell anc from nationalist to communism we will remove them...

      Nipcat - 2011-10-10 15:41

      Well, you'd better hurry up about it.

      Slartibartfast - 2011-10-10 16:20

      Sganja ... I really don't believe that. You all (your brothers anyway) STRIKE and burn rubbish-bins due to poor service and have done so since ANC rule commenced ... yet you (you and your brothers) still vote for them! Why will this be ANY different? Pull the other one why don't you.

      Stir Monger - 2011-10-10 16:50

      Yip - the word prostitution springs to mind' The maaifoedies think they might get a kiss at the end of the day.

  • chiepner - 2011-10-10 15:31

    I are stupid. I are believe every word ANC says. I are not conter revolutionary. I are stupid.....

  • ZACommentator - 2011-10-10 15:31

    Progressive my ahole. Human rights much?

  • bill - 2011-10-10 15:32

    going to receive new orders.stalinist scum.

  • biskit - 2011-10-10 15:33

    It was about expanding corrupt ties with China

  • Mark Fysh - 2011-10-10 15:33

    Pull the other one, Keith Khoza!

  • johan.visser - 2011-10-10 15:36

    ...and the earth is flat.

  • EnglishBoer - 2011-10-10 15:38

    Gwede Maaifoedie is leading the delegation. Please get peoples name right News24.

      Komasa - 2011-10-10 16:07

      Learnt a new word moron?

      Slartibartfast - 2011-10-10 16:22

      Kmasa ... if you took the time to read all the materials made available to you, you would know it is a very OLD word ... you maaifoedie!!

      Geefformee Forfree - 2011-10-10 16:26

      Komasahaara! Short stupid sentences!

      Voyager - 2011-10-10 16:33

      @Jomasa - about time the cANCer learnt how words can really hurt - take the Dhubula song for eg. - now feel what its like. Phansi cANCer, phansi!!!

  • tootingdel - 2011-10-10 15:39

    And why is it I don't beleive them? All I would suggest is if they like China so much that they stay there and please make sure Juju joins with them when he has recovered his health!

      Alan - 2011-10-10 16:07

      In the spirit of reconciliation, Juju is in Hosp. with a virus. Please pray for the speedy recovery of the virus.

  • Zoolie - 2011-10-10 15:39

    The Anc shouts for communism, wait till they they see what real slavery is all about, or simply ask the 100 million people who lived on the east side of the iron curtain. All jokes ahead.

      Komasa - 2011-10-10 16:05

      Why is it any different to western slavery, and the 20 000 Thai children under the age of 12 working on USA farms. The superior manipulated western 'free market' economy is about to collapse and communism will rule the world markets.

      TextOfReason - 2011-10-10 16:19

      @Komasa: Um... references? Coz I sure as hell haven't heard that before. Sounds like communistic propaganda to me. BTW, world markets would cease to exist if we all went communist. I would be the first to celebrate communisms take over... once we've developed machines to do it for us considering every communist government is EXTREMELY corrupt and has bulldozed the rights of their people.

      Zoolie - 2011-10-10 16:25

      @Komasa, if we are to get communist here, you wont be able to talk freely, so please kind idiot, think before you just comment.

      Geefformee Forfree - 2011-10-10 16:33

      Komasahaara! - 20 000 Thai children under 12 working on USA farms? Ha ha ha ha, Malema even knows thats not true as thick as he is! Carry on reading your Chappie papers! You might educate yourself you tool! But then you are probably a 'too busy' oppressed majority toyi toying for your dinner!

      Philip - 2011-10-10 19:33

      Communism can be successfully applied. The state of Kerala in India is an example of this. The present Communist government there was democratically elected in the 50s and they currently have a literacy rate, standard of living and life expectancy far greater than the rest of India :)

      happycamper - 2011-10-11 08:14

      being freed from the whites...the black people of SA is now turning to the government to enslave them? I can smell the stupidity.

  • tripwire - 2011-10-10 15:44

    China high 5`s ANC... $$

  • parkavenue - 2011-10-10 15:45

    weekend reports indicated a 16 man jol to Baas China..now its 10

  • Alan - 2011-10-10 15:50

    Lying Buzzturds

  • Heather54 - 2011-10-10 15:52

    "The ANC has relationships with all progressive parties around the world. We share experiences and views and perspectives on issues of international governance." So why do you refuse to share experiences, views and perspectives with Tibetans, or to allow the Dalai Lama to visit SA? China can hardly be regarded as a "progressive party". Their practices are amongst the most repressive ever known.

  • Hubbles - 2011-10-10 15:54

    The party to party ties to strenghten? my anus ...2,5bn deals going to greedy ANC cadres and not the population

  • Tolerant - 2011-10-10 15:57

    China is not known as a progressive party but very conservative. They still kill people in public like the dark ages.

  • Philip - 2011-10-10 16:00

    the trip is for the delegation to collect their "blood money", eat a few dogs and hedgehogs, participate in some human rights violations, things they cant quite get away with in South Africa yet

  • Alan - 2011-10-10 16:01

    Oh puhleeeze - the little corrupt delegation of Banana Republic puppets are going to China, because the Chines Baas has summonsed them. Thank goodness the ANC's days are clearly numbered. Otherwise the Puppet's lady baas may be Maid in China.

      Komasa - 2011-10-10 16:11

      "Baas' is reserved for 'rednecks'.

      Geefformee Forfree - 2011-10-10 16:38

      Komasahaara!! - Yeahsssa! Cottonpickin blues! Do you really just type what your brain farts?

  • amabok - 2011-10-10 16:07

    Lock up your children and hide your loved ones for the ANCorruption has just spoken again.

  • King Solomon - 2011-10-10 16:09

    Yeah......right!

  • letsee - 2011-10-10 16:12

    It's financial funding for the ANC. Gaddafi is gone, It's financial funding for the ANC. Gaddafi is gone, It's financial funding for the ANC. Gaddafi is gone, It's financial funding for the ANC. Gaddafi is gone, It's financial funding for the ANC. Gaddafi is gone, It's financial funding for the ANC. Gaddafi is gone,

  • letsee - 2011-10-10 16:13

    It's learning how the Chinese info bill works. It's learning how the Chinese info bill works. It's learning how the Chinese info bill works. It's learning how the Chinese info bill works.

      Alice - 2011-10-10 22:18

      agreed

  • Deeteem - 2011-10-10 16:14

    Dear ANC, if you pull the other leg it plays jingle bells !!! Not everyone is as thick as your supporters !!

  • benny - 2011-10-10 16:15

    We need to weaken ties with China,they need us more.

      happycamper - 2011-10-11 08:19

      agree...why use your own people for labor when you have a couple of million stupid black people that's even cheaper??

  • JCWR56 - 2011-10-10 16:25

    1 of 2 things happened: a) the Chinese said "stop firkin around with Dalai Lama and come explain why you are supporting him" or b) they didn't issue the visa because the Chinese visit by the ANC regime was already arranged and they wanted to make sure they didn't piss them off.

  • trev2 - 2011-10-10 16:31

    Te4ll us another.......

  • ZumaGabe - 2011-10-10 16:34

    How the hell can we believe you !! you lie you sucker you lie !!!

  • braamc - 2011-10-10 16:40

    Because the ANC corrupt thieves are stupid, doesn't mean we are. All the lies, deceive, self enrichment, theft, f&^%^k off.

  • Mlungu - 2011-10-10 16:58

    I wish the ANC spokes persons would just give it up already and make no comment - every utterance they make seems to be directed to the gullibility of the most incredulously ignorant members of our society and is an utter insult to the intelligence of those of us that are literate, are able to keep abreast with current affairs.

  • SwartLuiperd - 2011-10-10 17:07

    "Khoza denied that the visit played any role in the government's handling of the Dalai Lama's visa application." Yeah right, and politicians don't lie!

  • andre^^ - 2011-10-10 17:22

    "The purpose of the trip is to strengthen party-to-party relations," Someone is trying to figure out how to change a democracy into a communist society. ^^

  • Philip - 2011-10-10 17:39

    What a load of bull. Govt must think we are all idiots. What do they want to learn from the Chinese govt.? How to be good and ruthless dictators? How to get a lousy human rights record?

      andre^^ - 2011-10-10 18:18

      Luckily the ANC has demonstrated time and time again that they are extremely slow learners. ^^

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-10-10 18:38

    The purpose of this trip -- to load the pockets comrades!

  • Witbooi - 2011-10-10 19:07

    Now lets make sense of this. China is SA biggest trading partner - right? We export minerals and coal, and import all sorts of made up or value added goods - right. So, we are creating jobs in China, as evidenced by their growth, and in turn shedding jobs in SA as evidenced by our high unemployment. So actually, the ANC are in China to feather their nests while screwing the population. Another dis-service brought to by the Racist ANC Regime....

  • Nik - 2011-10-10 20:35

    Hey George.....are you saying then by your reasoning that it would have been OK to do business with the National Government before the end of minority rule.....just wondering as sanctions proved to only hurt the poorest in South Africa during Apartheid, imagine where SA would have been now if free trade had been available.

  • Alice - 2011-10-10 22:10

    What im worried about the trillion Rand deal for 6 new nuclear power station and the Chinese bid, especially that they have major shares in fnb bank.

      Alice - 2011-10-10 22:19

      I see the the arms deal under the umbrella of the secrecy bill

      NewNews - 2011-10-11 20:13

      Also concerned about that... a once off deal, potential for major kickbacks, no room for clean business development, and the constant unease surrounding nuclear.

  • JohnPicarra - 2011-10-11 00:20

    Down with the imperialist chinese communist party, down! Viva the People of China, viva! Down with the chinese imperialist mercenary invasion, down! Viva the People of Xinjiang, viva! Out with the chinese imperialist mercenary army and police, out! Viva the People of Tibet, viva! Out han settler, out! Viva the People of China, viva! Out the han invader troop, out! Viva the People of Xinjiang, viva! Out the han invader policeman, out! Viva the People of Tibet, viva! Boicott China, boicott! Viva the People of China, viva! Sanction China, sanction! Viva the People of Xinjiang, viva! Stop the Baby Genocide, stop! Viva the People of Tibet, viva! We have to support the Chinese People against the Oppression, Exploitation, and Genocide of the Chinese Communist Party. Also we have to support Tibet and Xinjiang against the Occupation, Tirany, Oppression, Exploitation and Genocide of the Chinese Communist Party. Chinese settles, policemen, troops must leave. Tibet for Tibet! Xinjiang for Xinjiang! We have to be militant against the Chinese Communist Party, Ban it, Sanction it, Boycott it. And the government too.

  • JohnPicarra - 2011-10-11 00:22

    “ The Gang of Four Chinese Communist Party members came to power during the Cultural Revolution (1966–76), and were charged with a series of treasonous crimes. The gang consisted of Jiang Qing, Mao Zedong's last wife as the leading figure of the group, and her close associates Zhang Chunqiao, Yao Wenyuan, and Wang Hongwen. In 1980, the trials of the Gang of Four began. Among the prosecution’s charge of actual crimes were the usurpation of state power and party leadership; the persecution of some 750,000 people, 34,375 of whom died during the period 1966-76. It was at this trial that Jiang Qing made the famous quote: "I was Chairman Mao's dog. I bit whomever he asked me to bite." Jiang Qing was sentenced to death in 1981. “ Source Wikipidia. I was inspired to write a song commemorating the death of such evil people: Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs of Mao Tse Tsung! Auss! Auss, Auss! Auss! Auss Auss! Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs of Jiang Qing! Auss! Auss, Auss! Auss! Auss Auss! Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs Gang of Four! Auss! Auss, Auss! Auss! Auss Auss!

  • hvklein - 2011-10-18 07:24

    The Chinese puppet masters want to make sure their puppet toes the line. strengthen ties? My foot! Or has Mantashe developed a craving for Chinese food?

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