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ANC blamed for farm murders

2012-09-12 19:32

Johannesburg - The African National Congress should accept responsibility for farm murders, civil rights group AfriForum said on Wednesday.

"As long as the ANC continues to remain silent when ANC leaders, like Ronald Lamola say that he cannot guarantee the safety of the Van der Merwes and the Van Tonders [Afrikaner surnames]... the ANC can be held responsible for farm murders," AfriForum CEO Kallie Kriel said in a statement.

In June, Lamola was criticised for his comments relating to land ownership. He told a media briefing in Pretoria that section 25 of the Constitution should be amended to allow for change in the land reform policy.

If white South Africans did not hand land to poor blacks, there could be land invasions like those that took place in Zimbabwe, he said.

At the time, he reportedly said he could not guarantee the safety of "the Van Tonders and the Van der Merwes on farms".

Comments
  • jacques.otto.50 - 2012-09-12 19:44

    yup and istead of using the finds contributed to tax to redsitribute land and create jobs they teal it and then state the whites are to blame because they dont hand it over or inflate prices. FAct is the officials find land for reditribution and before transfer takes place they buy it inflate the price back to the department they run and blame the whites for not being a willing buyer willing seller as the whites are the ones inflating land prices. Then they remove protection on Farms incite violence through their comments. What a Joke that the masses cant see this. Who do you see begging at the trafiic lights. More Whites or more blacks.

      moratiwa.ntwa - 2012-09-12 20:08

      Oh, okay. Just like when Van Tonder & Van der Merwe got on horses, each facing a different direction & rode into the horizon staking what was to become their land when they go tired. I wonder if that would be considered corrupt. Boere that treat their farm workers fairly generally don't get attacked. However those that treat their farm workers like beasts of burden, use the dop system as pay, then to add insult to injury by sodomising young boys like that AWB guy will surely get what's coming to them. The ANC is not to blame for that.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-12 20:18

      @Moratiwa ~ Crikey what school did you go to or better still did you study history? You sound like the miners, always wanting everything but not looking at what you are offering in return.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-12 20:32

      Oh Moratiwa, and what about all the land stolen from the Khoi-San (the rightful, original inhabitants of SA) by the tribes that moved down from Central and North Africa? Or is it JUST whites that invaded? How can you hold someone accountable for something others did hundreds of years ago?

      moratiwa.ntwa - 2012-09-12 20:38

      Crikey?! You are definitely not a Buthelezi. Now at what point in the above comment did you get to miners wanting everything? In addition how do you know what miners sound like, are you one? I guess that your history books in you illustrious backyard school in orania didn't teach you about colonisation?

      tobydt - 2012-09-12 20:41

      mondli - "the land held by koekemoer n basson with hands that are dripping blood." Yeah, you see the white-hatred in your comment. Now how many other black folks have that same hated? Then we have your leaders screaming 'shoot the boer'. Do you follow the pattern? PS, its not the farmers who's hands is covered with blood bafaantjie.

      moratiwa.ntwa - 2012-09-12 20:43

      @Wesley that was in response to blaming the failure of the land redistribution policy solely on corruption. The issue with the Khoi San is a valid one, I'll give you that. Blaming someone for what they did a hundreds of years ago is nonsensical. Blaming the ANC for farm murders is more so...

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-12 21:41

      It is not directly their fault. Obviously they didn't send out hit men or plan farm murders. But they govern, so therefore it ultimately lies with them.

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 22:04

      So Wesley, let's employ your logic once again. By virtue of the ANC gvt being in power, all farm murders are on their hands? Will it also be the ANC's fault if your pizza is delivered cold? If your car won't start? Is you fail to get it up tonight? Get a life you're pathetic

      lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-12 22:14

      @matla.motso - so by your logic what other governments did or did not do over the last 400 years, the people of today must be accountable for?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-12 23:28

      Are you really equating murder with pizza and cars?? Oh gosh

      cirrus11 - 2012-09-13 00:01

      96% of farms taken over by the ANC government for land redistribution lies dormant and wasted. But Farmers are blamed for no cooperating.

      merven.halo - 2012-09-14 09:56

      @matla.motso - it is your idiot ANC government that sing songs instigating farm attacks.

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-09-14 12:47

      @moratiwa and wesley; it's about crime in general and not just about murders of blacks or whites. If the SA government doesn't do something it will destroy another portion of the SA economy, namely tourism. I believe that it constitutes about 15% of the economy and Mr. Zuma wants it to grow to about 20%. I promise you that won't happen if crime isn't dealt with. Many people ask me about visiting SA, and after asking about places to visit the FIRST thing they ask is; "is it safe, we hear that crime is really bad in SA." So continue to argue about where it began, who is to blame, and who is victimized the most. But if tourism dies that's another 15% of the work force that becomes unemployed.

      johan.vanhoff - 2012-09-25 11:00

      MORATIWA, YOU ARE A MORON.

  • Steven Trollip - 2012-09-12 19:54

    Agree 100%!!!!cANCer blamed for farm murders

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 20:08

      Based on what?

      lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-12 22:16

      Based on the fact that they are responsible to ensure the safety and security of ALL the people of South Africa. This is an oath they swear when they take office and a right bestowed to ALL the people under the Constitution.

      cirrus11 - 2012-09-13 00:07

      Based on the Genocide Watch's rating of RSA on level 6 of the 8-level scale for risk of genocide.: http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

  • michael.rampatla - 2012-09-12 19:57

    Whatever agri-forum smoking is to strong for their brain to handle. Farm murders are a pure crime and it happened everywhere around the country.

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 20:26

      So Karl you do everything music tells you too? Is that he basis of your argument?

      fred.warren.986 - 2012-09-12 21:43

      @matla....there is a difference between singing and inciting someone to murder

      nads.delange - 2012-09-12 21:46

      Ummm, matla, miners took a muti they heard would make then invincible and invisible to bullets.....this is the mentality we are working with, uneducated people are easily swayed by things like songs.

      prieurp34 - 2012-09-13 00:36

      If we, whites are so wrong and need to leave, can we take our cars, houses, farms, clothes, planes, ships, knifes and forks, fans, heaters, golf courses, gyms, roads, dams, trains, bicycles, skateboards, tv's, cinemas, restaurants, supermarkets, schools, hospitals, helicopters, guns, electricity, computers, phones and everything that's invented by the white man with us??? Leaving you with what?? Spear, leave around the waist, feather in the head and a grass hut!!! Just say the word!

      pieter0827006294 - 2012-09-13 09:05

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys&feature=player_embedded

      mxolisi.nala - 2012-09-14 17:42

      it a new form of marijauna. . .it's killing their brains. . .if so what are about those people who are exploited in these farms, why afriforum doesn't put that to the equation? Anc serves them right, afriforum is just baise and pathetic just like solidarity union.

  • John - 2012-09-12 20:10

    These fools obviously do not have the faintest idea where food comes from. Maybe from the supermarket!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-12 20:19

      So true and milk comes from a carton.

      sifiso.msimango - 2012-09-12 20:35

      john - a fool like u does not know where the land belongs to, obviously u wont know coz u dont even belong here

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 21:00

      And you come from Europe, go home

      lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-12 21:42

      @matla.motso - please take a DNA test so that you can also go "home"

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-12 21:50

      Sifiso... Every single human being on this planet originated from Africa. So how exactly do we not belong here? Does, The Cradle of Humankind ring a bell?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-12 21:51

      And John, that's f***en rude. Take your racist tendencies n shove em.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-12 21:52

      No, I come from South Africa actually, was born in JG Strydom hospital in Johannesburg, as was my mom. My dad was born in Louis Trichardt, my granparents were born in Tzaneen, Bloem and Louis Trichardt, my great granparents were born in South Africa. I am a South African, born and bred! You guys can try to chase us away, but you know what, you have no more right to South Africa than we do. The only real natives of SA are the Khoi San, and between my ancestors and your ancestors, they ensured that the San were basically wiped out.

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 22:15

      See Wesley, John keeps the ANC in power with comments like that, I can't be mad at him for being racist, it's his choice to be whatever he wants to be, perhaps you should blame your genocide on the likes of him, one wonders how he treats his workers with views like that,

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-12 23:30

      I never once mentioned genocide, so I don't know what you're in about. Do be putting words in my mouth

      prieurp34 - 2012-09-13 00:26

      They say, Motla, we are racist! Mhmm, and what about the centuries of conflict between the Zulu and Xhosa? They not racists? The Xenophobia going on in our country? That's not being racist? Who gives blacks the right to what they do and then not refer it as to being racist! They themselves are the biggest racists in this country today! Rapist, murderers, thieves the list goes on and on......... But we are the bad ones! You think that blacks suffer in this country? Show me those whom are starving to death? Those who toi toi have to be transported with busses cause they are so fat they can hardly lift their toes from the tar! Go to Somalia an see what poor hungry people look like you idiot! Get a life! And just to once again educate you as you did not open those big ears of yours in class, if you ever went to school for that matter, that the Bushmen, khoisan, are the truthful owners of this land! Their drawings are thousands of years old! You people came from the north and the east down to the South and wiped this small tribe of people out, now you claim the land belongs to you! Where is that written on black and white? Oh I forgot you people couldn't even write back then, so infact you have no claims whatsoever! You go back to Zim or Botswana or Angola or where your forefathers came from!

  • Tebogo Sbibo Kgopa - 2012-09-12 20:11

    has anyone ever thot that becos farms are secluded,they are easier targets for robbers,especially without police and/or security patrols. and this has nothing to do with race.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-12 20:21

      When you listen to bright spark Lamola's statement, you'll see it has everything to do with race. Did you hear any condemnation from cANCer?

      Bra Tebzaah Sibilanga - 2012-09-12 20:22

      They are obsessed with race they struggle to notice the difference between talking sense and rubbish.But I have never heard them talk sense,just racism and dividing the country further.

      tobydt - 2012-09-12 20:28

      "They are obsessed with race" Meanwhile, blame whites and apartheid 24/7 :P Oh the hypocracy.

      lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-12 20:37

      A target for robbers I can almost accept. A target for murderers? No way. Let's deal with the cause not the effect. There are too many killers - no matter where you live.

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 21:02

      No tebogo, that possibility works against their " genocide conspiracy"

      jacques.vermaak.50 - 2012-09-13 08:37

      @Tebogo Sbibo Kgopa its true but why dont we let our usless SANDF patrol these farms? They sit and do nothing anyways.

      merven.halo - 2012-09-14 09:59

      @ Tebogo Sbibo Kgopa - wrapping babies in newspapers and set alight, and burn and rape old people are robberies? It is hate crimes.

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-12 20:26

    Oh FFS, the ANC is running the government, so they are responsible! And just by the way, 50% of the land in this country is owned by government, not whites. Some people love living in a dream world. Carry on falling for the ANC's bulls**t, but be ready for the consequences. They have done a lot of good, but the majority of the time it's a f***up, and no one ever takes responsibility. It's always just a blame game. Or the race card is used as an excuse. How can you respect people who don't take responsibility for their actions, or lack thereof?

  • fransenmuriel.erasmus - 2012-09-12 20:33

    I think all would agree that the goverment fails pathetically in maintaining law and order and the preventing crime not only in rural areas but every where in the country. Why do one still want to support the ANC or find excuses for them ?

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 21:24

      Why do i support the ANC? I will support an anc politician 100% times over before I vote for a racist white party sported by an increasingly irrelevant racist voter constituent. In short, you, Irene, Wesley and every narrow minded bigot keep me voting for the ANC, it's as simple as that, YOU keep the anc in power! I make it a point to visit this site so as not to forget who white south Africa is

      nads.delange - 2012-09-12 22:04

      And this is why this country will never get better. Go have a look in the Western Cape. There EVERYONE is benefiting from a competent government who wants to make a better life for all. And yes, those politicians are white, and coloured, and black. Yes, there are white racists, amd black racists, and coloured and indian and chinese racists. BUT there are also competent people in every race who just wants SA to prosper. Become one of those people, and make a difference. But while you are indoctined by the ANC into thinking that every single white is a racist bigot, you will never make a difference in this country.

  • Yandisa Rwaai - 2012-09-12 20:34

    Ja these whites will always blame the ANC, even when their kids have flu they'll probably blame the ANC ... forgetting that the farmers are the 1st ones to employ Zimbabwens for cheap labour and still ill treat them and expect Christmas presents from them.

      prieurp34 - 2012-09-12 23:24

      Eish another cANCer lover, siestog shame, mamma! Seeing that you think you are so well educated, what has the ANC done for anyone in this country except enriching themselves and their gravy train brothers and sisters? What farm ever owned by a black(taken from a white) has ever shown financial growth? Or productivity for that matter? Name me one farm? Please enlighten me...... What's that....you don't know!!!! You know what, if you dint have a clue what you're talking about, its best you shut up and sit, as you do every day and expect a bowl of pap to fall from the sky or even maybe they will drop food parcels from china on your doorstep, and think very carefully what this cANCer is doing for you or the people who live in our country! All departments are corrupt, education, health, roads an transport, dept of water affairs, all municipalities, dept of justice, home affairs and even the police are so corrupt and many placed under administration! Why??? Tell me why, think about it and tell me why! Bet you won't, like Malema, your brainspan does not allow you to think that far ahead! Good luck with your pathetic life!

      jacques.vermaak.50 - 2012-09-13 08:40

      @Yandisa Rwaai ja and the blacks and cANCer WILL always blame apartheid!!!!

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-09-12 20:38

    The ANC, as the government of the day should take responsibility for all criminal murders in this country. Nothing special about a certain group of the population.

      tobydt - 2012-09-12 20:53

      karl - In KZN the ANC dudes have been killing each other :P

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-09-12 21:20

      @Karl No one is stopping you!

  • tinus.kyriazis - 2012-09-12 20:44

    Lamola must eat sh*t and die. I suppose he also have a grade 5 education. Then again, our education is rated so low that even if he have a (fake) matrick certificate its still iseless just like his comments!

      sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-09-13 11:03

      madoda...........you are a crime WHAT..........People in the Forces should NOT be affiliated to ANY political party, my father in law was with the SAP years ago and he told me that was the case. So I think you should remove yourself and any others that support the stupid anc off the force

  • sarel.brits - 2012-09-12 20:45

    No problem Lamola we can not guarantee your safety either. Somewhere a gatvol Boer might take a shot and exclude you from the gene pool

      tobydt - 2012-09-12 20:52

      Can you imagine the uproar, if a white dude kills a black dude? Now, reverse the tables, and its merely a crime.

      sarel.brits - 2012-09-12 21:16

      I believe that those who live by the sword face it sooner or later if you preach violence you must not be surprised if it comes to you. There is a problem between Black and White people and to denied it is futile. the question is how are we going to sort things out. The White farming community and White people are getting pushed around don't be surprised if they start to push back. BEE, AA and farm grabs is not working and will not correct the imbalances or the wrongs of the past, we need a new plan for SA

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-09-12 20:54

    Oh come on, I am no ANC fan, but surely by now the farmers should be more security conscious and be careful or do they share Malema's lack of intelligence. Hell, we in the cities go through the same BUT we take care.

      FeebleGastro - 2012-09-12 21:22

      Hermann H**rhuis Hanekom: You don't even begin to grasp what a "Libertarian" is. Although I agree with a lot of what they stand for, I will never align myself with them because stupid liberals like you claim the title for yourself. Wannabe intellectuals, but actually potential Friends of ANCYL, you lot.

      sarel.brits - 2012-09-12 21:49

      Yes so what your saying is its their own vault? Remember your words \big man\ when that Zimbo's raping your wife while your tied up f..you. Why should anybody in this country live in fear.

  • lara.vanrooyen.1 - 2012-09-12 20:57

    Oh, just close all these troublesome sectors. Let us import everything.

  • kyle.r.lottering - 2012-09-12 21:00

    listen, all the black people with ignorant comments on this. It is your black brothers that continue to gruesomely murder farmers, for whatever reason, and this youth league, which is supposed to support its father branch, but somehow is against it (how ludicrous) has not only called for the killing of the boer, and the farmer, but has also openly admitted that they are not safe. Which really is a suggestion that he knows they are being killed by ur angry black brothers. Tell me, do you see any indian gangs robbing farms and raping and murdering? Any white gangs? Coloured? No. It is not an acception, and is not right. Your black brothers need to step up to the plate of our society, yet they screech like birds to break it. Actually, like fools. And im sorry i have to say that.

      khathutshelo.muafrica - 2012-09-12 22:01

      Wether u lyk it or not its da fact,wt a babaric,heartless kind..on top of dat u always try to justify it..those 'FARMS' belong 2 our forefadas,they were killed,sum enslaved in them(farms) by your ruthless forefadas

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-12 23:36

      Shut the f**k up What about all the San that had land stolen and were murdered by your amazing, lame ass "forefadas"? Do you have title deeds to prove your claim of ownership?

  • Yandisa Rwaai - 2012-09-12 21:05

    Sarel dont think Lamola would want to be guaranteed safety from your end needless to say I don't think boers have the expertise to pull it off ...before you ponder, think boere maag!!

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 21:51

      You're living in a fantasy Karel

      sarel.brits - 2012-09-12 23:08

      @motso, its not a fantasy its a nightmare...what part do you think is a fantasy? You see the problem with the ANCYL and most militant youth is they have never been in a fight they never faced the old SADF or the old riot squad of the SAP they don't know how it was those day's and now they lend their ears out to Malema. We will not give up our land or our rights in this land we will fight for it so rather let's talk about it.

      prieurp34 - 2012-09-13 00:01

      Bloerivier, first and second anglo boer war, army training, koefoet, spesmagte, rekkies, old SAP, hunters trained since the age of six years old, need I say more! We will negotiate to a certain point, don't miss judge it for being scared, after that, if all talks fail, then our peace thoughts will fly out by the window! If you thought we are scared of a bunch of panga waving idiots, who dares to bring a knife to a gun fight, then so be it, cause you will stair down the barrel of a gun! Bring it on! Go learn our history first, then come ram your mouth!

  • Avesh Athmanand - 2012-09-12 21:10

    I say the only way to the far and elusive NEW SA is that the racist blacks, racist whites, racist Indians, racist coloureds, pocket aligned self righteous politicians become extinct !!! I will never trust any politician !!! Ice cold milk stout, castle laager or black label with my white, indian, black and coloured friends, just the antidote to racists calling others racists, cheers people, enjoy becoming more sick and depressed !!!

  • greengap - 2012-09-12 21:11

    It is really sad that people are entertaining such drivel from this matla person...like Malema he makes comments based on uninformed information and that are irrelevant to the topic. And then we hop on about it. There really is no hope for these people black or white who can't understand that 1+1= 2 and they say 3 and won't back down from it lol

  • sarel.brits - 2012-09-12 22:07

    I wonder how big a pluts all you armchair revolutionary's will throw if the president of agri sa said he can not guarantee the safety of black farm worker implying what the ANCYL is implying.

  • sheik.mohammad.378 - 2012-09-12 22:08

    If farmers limited their produce it would put food security on the agenda. NO FARMER, NO FOOD......... a type of one up-manship to the ANC's cry of one farmer, one bullet. People tend to think differently on a empty stomach.

  • themba.maseko.568 - 2012-09-12 22:32

    @DANIEL We do not live in an ideal society. If we did then people with STD 10 and 'experience' would not be employed because of their colour in favour of someone with a degree without 'experience'. Additionally you can't have so many people with a gruesome past, no education, no job, and basically no life, and expect to have a good night sleep in your unsecured home as if nothing happened in the past. We must be dreaming to think that our past will not haunt us, sorry. Dear wonderful farmers please get security and save your lives!!!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-12 23:39

      If you forever live in the past, how can you expect to walk the path of success in the future?

      mxolisi.nala - 2012-09-14 17:54

      Welsey easy correct the past first then you can move on. . .

  • robynne.els.1 - 2012-09-12 22:56

    There is so much hate in these comments! I am white, was born in SA as well as my parents and grandparents, everything I have has been worked for and paid for! I know many awesome black people who have risen above, worked hard and live an honest good life! These black people never demand things for free, its only the ones with nothing going for them so they become bitter and the easiest thing to do is blame the whites!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-12 23:40

      True that.

      Stella.Eilers.Barnard - 2012-09-13 05:36

      Gud for u robynne...

      Stella.Eilers.Barnard - 2012-09-13 05:42

      Gud for u robynne...my uncle, his wife and 2 children were killed in coldblood on HIS farm. The 3 BLACKS who brutally killed them, took NOTHING...ONLY THEIR LIVES!!!! So please ...dont talk bull!! U dont know a thing about the pain and the anger that we as a family went through because of the 'killers'.

      sarel.brits - 2012-09-13 09:36

      @stella if you bothered to read this persons comment you would see she is talking about her own experience and I have had the same experience with a large amount of Black people that do work hard and don't get anything for free, I have also lost people dear to me due to a black on white violence but I can not blame every black man just as we can not all be held liable for the actions of the Boeremag or the Skilik shooter. I think you should get some help you might be suffering from PTSD. No its not a swear word its post traumatic stress disorder and you need to let go of the hate it will consume you... Talking out of experience before you blow me off.

  • Johnson - 2012-09-12 23:19

    The ANC wants whites out the country - are we going to let them succeed, if not organize your security on farms - lots of whites currently without jobs will be a far better call than having security guards who end up killing or or giving the killers everything about you !!!

      prieurp34 - 2012-09-13 00:45

      If we, whites are so wrong and need to leave, can we take our cars, houses, farms, clothes, planes, ships, knifes and forks, fans, heaters, golf courses, gyms, roads, dams, trains, bicycles, skateboards, tv's, cinemas, restaurants, supermarkets, schools, hospitals, helicopters, guns, electricity, computers, phones and everything that's invented by the white man with us??? Leaving them with what?? Spear, leave around the waist, feather in the head, puthu pap and a grass hut!!! Lol

  • prieurp34 - 2012-09-12 23:40

    How many farms were taken from whites and were handed to blacks? Quite a lot I suppose! Now answer this? How many of those farms are being farmed and is productive till this day? How many of those farms crops are being harvested and seeds sowed to produce food for the people? How many of those farms shows any financial growth? Now answer this! How many of those farms are now so worthless that nothing will ever grow on that soil again? All farming implements and equipment sold for scrap metal or was stolen? Please, all you cANCer lovers, answer me these questions! Bet you can't!!!!!! You know why those farms are now less worth that the dust on grass, because it was not theirs to own, they didn't sweat a drop, never spend a penny to uplift and make the farm profitable, yet you want and want and want but you didn't work for it! Typical!!!!

      Stella.Eilers.Barnard - 2012-09-13 05:33

      BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! Well said...if u work ur butt off for something, u will look after it...they ar use to get everything in SA for 'mahala'. If they cant get it for free, they will just take it. As Malema said...'we will take the land from the whites'. The blacks ar very lazy. We ar one of the only countries in the world with so many 'funds'. And all for free...wow I luv SA!

      eben.potgieter - 2012-09-13 06:56

      I am not an ANC lover but would like to fathom a guess an your question. NONE. Am I correct???????

      yolandiii - 2012-09-13 10:28

      they actually had a test farm somewhere in SA where they put black farmers...ALL the cattle died from hunger....what does that tell you. Please dont get me wrong im NOT a racist but something should just be left alone....leave the white farmers to farm and STOP killing them or else we will end up like Zimbabwe....

      helizna - 2012-09-14 15:34

      Oh this is just a hysterical rant. My co-worker's dad is a successful farmer in the North-West, the beneficiary of a government-grant farm, and his neighbors respect him. He's black.

  • prieurp34 - 2012-09-13 00:39

    If we, whites are so wrong and need to leave, can we take our cars, houses, farms, clothes, planes, ships, knifes and forks, fans, heaters, golf courses, gyms, roads, dams, trains, bicycles, skateboards, tv's, cinemas, restaurants, supermarkets, schools, hospitals, helicopters, guns, electricity, computers, phones and everything that's invented by the white man with us??? Leaving you with what?? Spear, leave around the waist, feather in the head, puthu pap and a grass hut!!! Just say the word!

      Stella.Eilers.Barnard - 2012-09-13 05:23

      What roads, hospitals etc?? U mean ....whats left of it....i totally agree. Lets leave SA as Jan Van Riebeeck found it!

      bashin.monyela - 2012-09-14 16:46

      Eish and my phone too, no more facebook or news24 :(

  • ignatious.marekolle - 2012-09-13 03:35

    Ronald Lamola a former llb enrolee of University of Venda, an admitted attorney this tells you much of what he says.

      carla.vittori3 - 2012-09-13 10:11

      Tells me that we need to be more thorough in our "fit and proper person" interviews if this is the kind of person the law societies and courts are allowing to be admitted as attorneys.

  • Stella.Eilers.Barnard - 2012-09-13 05:18

    ...and the white peolple of SA can not qarrentee the savety of the Lamola's and the malema's....why don't we just give SA to the blacks and get the hell out of here? Start a new life elsewere...let they starve to death. They dont know how to farm or how to produce food....all they know is to live day to day...if all the whites ar gone...from who will the anc steal? Sorry Zuma, when we go, our money goes with us!! Vrek van ellende, dit gaan jule korruptes in hierdie land se voorland wees!

      sarel.brits - 2012-09-13 06:20

      Nee wat ek gan bly, ek geen nie om om die mooi land te deel met al sy mense nie maar net so oorgee en weg hardloop nooit nie. Ek soos baie ander witmense sal dan maar die doring in hulle flees word n konstante \reminder\ dat ons nog hier is.

      Stella.Eilers.Barnard - 2012-09-14 04:02

      Die ding Sarel is dat ons mense word net eenvoudig, goedkeurend vd anc, uitgemoor...ekt di foto's van vermoorde plaasboere gesien. Dis verskriklik! My oom en sy hele familie was op sy plaas koelbloedig vermoor. Hule het niks gevat ni, slegs hule lewens! Hu wil ons teen so n oormag baklei? Dis n onbegonne taak....

      bashin.monyela - 2012-09-14 16:44

      I'm gonna miss u guys shem

  • ivan.devries.7 - 2012-09-13 06:40

    My friends all this for Nothing sell your farms buy 1ha and plant food for your family only,Sell your farms before thy take it

  • haig.tait - 2012-09-13 07:28

    lol at matla's logic u say anc cant be blamed for this STOP BLAMING APARTHEID FOR EVERYTHING THEN???? PERMA APRATHEID'S FAULT...OH LOOK A BLACK GUY DIED MUST BE APARTHEID!!

  • Vince.York - 2012-09-13 08:33

    ANC's primary agenda and unwritten policy.

  • BossBrain - 2012-09-13 08:39

    Shoot too kill.

  • bradley.kecskes - 2012-09-13 08:54

    There is a difference between wanting to rob someone(70 year olds noggals) and wanting to kill some one....In most cases nothing is taken from the farmers that are killed...my common sense is tingling...oh whats that's!!? of course but no use speaking of common sense, most south africans lack it!!

  • dostomolefe - 2012-09-13 09:21

    ya'll not coming up with solutions but making da situation worse ....if ur attacking one another now how different are for the perpetrators of these crimes ......and how do ya'll expect ur kids to behave in the future

  • Val - 2012-09-13 09:21

    How is this news new?

  • mark.fotheringham.14 - 2012-09-13 09:31

    What boggles is me is that we have so much vacant land in government's hands in this country...why not develop this vacant land into "Black only" farms(as this is what they want) and get the show on the road? Our government has done a better job than the evil Nats to keep this country segregated on grounds of race. Why cant we all be South Africans, instead of black, white or purple?

  • hennie.boshoff - 2012-09-13 10:01

    Good, kill all the farmers in South Africa, I'm a farmer in Australia, my friend in the states, both ex-Safas, my exports to South Africa rose 30% last year and to Sub saharan Africa 40% (especially Zim), this time I earn in dollars. That's why 1 out of 4 white South Africans abroad become millionaires, about a million right now. So you will have to do what Robert Mugabe does, invite the Chinese, only reason they are not there yet is after all because of these white farmers and their weapons produced you are using to kill them. A warning, don't think the Chinese will be as nice as your ex colonialists, go look at Cambodia, they are better at genocide than the Africans, owe yeah and they have 1.4 billion people to feed and provide housing for, so not even numbers will give you power this time, not that they believe in democracy. Also there won't be any perlemoen, antelope, cattle or farms to invade nor fish or any other resources left as it will all be gone and allocated to feed to 1.4 billion people, and there will be no cats and dogs left as well, like nothing is left over there, owe yeah and in shear expected numbers, the current squatter camps will be hotels in memory. Then off course, this time they will probably do what happened in most other colonies and kill 90% of indigenous people, something only the bushmen experienced in SOuth Africa. So yeah, get rid of the nice guys, works in some of their childrens favour afterall, who will have to came and safe you again

      hennie.boshoff - 2012-09-13 10:13

      Ow I forgot to say, we buy the resources, then produce and sell cars, weapons, trucks, mine machinery etc. Back at 10 times the price, the bargan of killing the farmers, is you give the money for resources back to buy food, a great bargain from this side of the fense, no wonder no one gives a dime, after all we will have to go back there to save the africans from chinese invation. Still don't get the pattern, you are killing your own protection and right to exist, fooolsss!!!

  • yolandiii - 2012-09-13 10:20

    Racist Government!! OF course they are responsible for it!!! They are encouraging people to do that and even worse they order people to do that for them to get the land back!!! They musnt forget who build all the roads they are driving on and the houses they live in!!! They musnt forget who buils South Africa from empty fields into the cities theya re today!!!

  • yolandiii - 2012-09-13 10:22

    Oh and FIY : We are on ranking 6 of genocide. If you are on ranking 8 that means complete wipe out!!!! we have been moved up to ranking 6 a month ago!!! No one is creating Genocide stories...it is the truth!!!!

      annemariebotha.lanigan - 2012-09-14 13:25

      Have to correct you Yolandi. Stage 7 is actually wipe out and stage 8 denial. So these goody two shoes who still want to keep thier heads in the sand, need to pay attention. This is really serious what cANCer are creating.

  • hein.huyser - 2012-09-13 10:24

    No taxation without representation!!!

  • ro.jhb.1 - 2012-09-13 10:55

    ANC pigs

  • sarel.brits - 2012-09-14 10:33

    What you bunch of cowardly night crawlers supporter forget is the Afrikaners constitutes some of the most hard-ass sections of some of the most hard-ass European nations, the Dutch that came here was not the cheese making kind, the Germans were mostly soldiers in the VOC when they started at the Cape, Not to talk about the French!!!! they gave their king and their country and the Catholic Church the middle finger and left everything they owned to come here . All these peoples had the pioneering spirit and just because we are not in our commandos with guns in your face it does not mean we are weak or not willing to fight or defend our wrights in this country. And before you tell me we must go, remember who your dealing with we are genetically pre disposed to go the distance and we will stick it out here till the bitter end so for every body’s sake STOP murdering the farmers STOP the call to kill us STOP singing that song that call's for violence against the Boer people, this is not threat its a warning and a plea to stop killing our people, stop pushing the Afrikaners, we are going to push back at some stage.

      marc.rabie - 2012-09-14 12:43

      Push back - the overall problem in this country...

  • david.phillips.583234 - 2012-09-14 11:19

    I will stand with the farmers any day of the week. They supply us with our daily bread and need to be protected against the filth of this country, that includes 100% of the ANC. Time to defend what is yours by force if neccesary.

  • marc.rabie - 2012-09-14 12:41

    Well at least some see http://www.protectionist.net/2012/02/22/australian-protectionist-party-calls-for-sanctions/

  • duncan.gill1 - 2012-09-14 13:20

    wait until the farmers start to protect themselves.then you will hear the ANC!

  • raymon.mcnelly - 2012-09-14 14:16

    Here is a noble idea: White farmers are not safe in South Africa anymore, why not FIRE all the black workers on your farm (reason -security concerns) and advertise for white people to work on the farms. Also, all you lazy people, FIRE your domestic worker and garden worker and do the housework yourself,( that is what I do, and it's not that bad). Be more secure in your own home. The greatest risk to your security is the INTEL these thugs have on you, and how easy it is to get intel on you by leaning/harassing or torturing it out of your domestic worker. After all, the less outsiders know about your home, security and property, the less chance they'll have to attack you in your home. It is time for you ALL to stop wining and start to proactively do something about the situation. Protect yourself ! Protect your children ! Do not allow ANY 'worker' in your house.

  • russell.dunbar.96 - 2012-09-14 15:11

    All life is precious,even a farmer's life.There will have to be more even-handedness when dealing with this issue on the side of government.

  • kevin.richards.374549 - 2012-09-14 15:24

    Oh whatever. I had great expectations for South Africa, but it is clear that Africans cannot rule without corruption, and greed. unfortunately the the rest of Africa is a shinning example, with the exception of two. (Botswana and Namibia) and only because of there huge western influence which they have accepted.I know a lot of wonderful dear Africans with the same aspirations as the majory of Coloureds, Indians and whites, that is why the DA is struggling to get the majority black vote, which I am sorry to is gonna be near impossible. I pity my black neighbours who is a shinning example of decency and good governance, but are hopelessly outnumbered by the "typical African mentality. And I don't mean just the "poor masses" I mean black fat cats who work for the municipalities, government institutions, and BEE companies. Those type care for nothing not even there own "poor masses" they care about flashy cars, expensive booze clothes, and where they can make the next corrupt deal. I know what I am talking about because I have moved in those circles. Afriforum\solidarity is wasting there time with the government. To those minorty blacks I salute you for your courageousness. You are being called coconuts and most of you are outcasted please stay steadfast. The bigger majority I have absolutely no pitty for. You deserve for who you voted for. Go on and how south Africa is just becoming another "typical begging African country"

  • part290861 - 2012-09-16 23:56

    Well said docwally. What you have said is very true and I am repeating it. "Stop blaming all and sudry for the massively inappropriate numbers of murders in South Africa. The government of the day is responsible, they are the people tasked with maintaining law and order,nobody else has the power. Its up to them to enforce the rule of law and lets be honest they are sadly way off the mark, in fact they are so far off they cant see the mark.Its also a fact that most farm murders are brutally inhuman and are nothing more than revenge attacks which suit the ANC. Why is it when a 80 year old women is brutally raped and burnt and beaten within a inch of her life, there are no minister to comfort her yet farmer Brown shoots and wounds a trespasser and it makes for great publicity for the ANC leaders to be seen as the righteous leaders supporting the poor victim. Makes you think doesn't it". Based on the fact that they (the government) are responsible to ensure the safety and security of ALL the people of South Africa. This is an oath they swear when they take office and a right bestowed to ALL the people under the Constitution. Violence of any kind no matter where, how or when is just totally unacceptable, and looking at these images is nothing but brutal violence. Especially to the elderly who are vunerable. I do not care what nationality or colour you are this is not acceptable.

  • sivvy.govinder - 2012-09-17 11:16

    I refer to the story about farmers being murdered and the miners that have been killed by the police. Much has been reportd in the overseas media but has there been the same publicity whenever an innocent farmer is butchered in his own home. THe farmer obviously s helping our economy by providing jobs and fresh produce for the country. Agriculture is part of the economy and once that is destroyed whatever next. There should be a survey done o all the farms that have been taken over or handed over to the black population to see how the farms have been utilised. If one watches Agriforum on SABC it is obvious that the agriculture has decreased drastically. Is this what we want, from a viable agricuturally productive country to land being laid to waste. It is well and good to remove land from the present farmers but are the people prepared to work hard on these established farms and better the agricultural produce and create more jobs and help the economy grow or is it another project that is going wrong.

  • Johnson - 2012-09-25 15:42

    Afriforum is just a voice making the same old noise, they also do nothing to mobilse people in the figth against this - Let the ANCYL be an example 15000 people o support their leader - 15 afriformum mebers making a noise

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