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ANC can't fool people on secrecy bill: DA

2012-03-27 15:15

Cape Town - The ANC cannot fool South Africans into thinking there is broad support for the protection of state information bill, the Democratic Alliance said on Tuesday.

The so-called "secrecy bill" is centre stage in Parliament again this week, as various civil society groups, state organs and the media make oral submissions to the National Council of Provinces ad hoc committee on the draft legislation.

At a recent public meeting in Khayelitsha in Cape Town, the DA, along with all opposition parties in Parliament, committed itself to continue challenging the draft legislation in its current form and to push for significant amendments, DA spokesperson Alf Lees said.

The DA’s stance was emboldened by the objections about the bill raised by a vast number of civil bodies, media institutions and members of the public arguing that the legislation infringed on the rights of individuals, posed a threat to media freedom and undermined the fight against corruption.

Only 4% of South Africans support the bill


"Research conducted by the DA suggests that only 4% of South Africans support the bill, which further necessitates comprehensive amendments to ensure that the bill is aligned with our Constitution and the values of a democratic society," Lees said.

With the significant and clear backing of the public, all opposition parties, state organs such as the public protector and the SA Human Rights Commission, as well as various civil society groups and media bodies, the DA would push for these amendments.

These included a public interest defence, a strengthened public interest override, a sufficiently limited definition of "national security", and a review of sections pertaining to almost all offences, such as the possession and disclosure of classified information.

"The ANC cannot fool the people of South Africa into thinking there is broad support for the secrecy bill.

"The ANC members of the ad hoc committee must heed the mass opposition to the bill along with the continued calls for a public interest defence, and make the necessary changes to the legislation demanded by South Africans," Lees said.

Comments
  • Shirley - 2012-03-27 15:25

    No the anc just think we are all FOOLs!

      solverman - 2012-03-27 15:31

      We are... we vote for them, we most of us !

      Shirley - 2012-03-27 15:34

      Solverman-speak for yourself!

      shudusO - 2012-03-27 15:43

      well unfortunately majority are fools...so they keep on voting for them and we will keep suffering.

      Mark - 2012-03-27 15:49

      what makes you think you are better than majority shudus? me thinks you are baseless

      Glyn - 2012-03-27 16:01

      The only fools are those who know thE THE ANC ARE WRONG BUT STILL VOTE FOR THEM!

      Forceptor - 2012-03-27 16:10

      @Mark Well, I for one am definitely "better" than the "majority", since I know when a government is corrupt and is in no way interested in improving the lives of the public. I don't vote for them and never will. So yes, that does make me "better" than the idiots who keep on doing it.

  • Kala - 2012-03-27 15:26

    Most of the ANC supporters and members are fools.

      Steve - 2012-03-27 15:31

      +1

      Sale%c3%a9 - 2012-03-27 17:01

      Kala, you could be right or you could be wrong. Until you go out there and critique every single reason why the ANC has so much support, then your attitude is a lazy, mental shortcut. In fact, it is no different from what you accuse the ANC supporters of. "They support the ANC, so they must be fools". The biggest problem with this attitude is that it stands in the way of democracy. The very same "fools" that support the ANC are required by the DA and other opposition parties, if they are to win elections. You can hardly convince someone to switch their vote by saying "You have been a fool. Come, let me show you how it should be." You do it by saying: "I have looked at your concerns and I understand where you are coming from. Let me show you why my way is better than the path you have chosen. I will deal with concern 1 in this way, concern 2 in that way etc." You would be surprised with what you might find if you let go of the assumption that your concerns should be similar to someone else's. Your "top of mind" is not necessarily the next man's. Having the wisdom to dig deeper without blocking your mind by calling others fools may actually lead to the very transformation that you clearly yearn for.

      tasmee.hylkema - 2012-11-29 21:19

      Salee, I too believe the majority are fools, mainly because they do not understand true democracy, but rather only tribalism and loyalty. I am pretty confident that the opposition parties such as the DA have gone out to the masses, and tried to educate them, however, no amount of eduction will work, because of the perception that the DA is a white party, and as such, if they do not vote for the ANC, their ancestors etc, will be upset. Brainwashing is the order of the day versus clearly defined policies. That makes them foolish, as we are now in the 21st Century, and criteria such as ancestral discontent and loyalty for a party that is not delivering to the very same people who are affected the most is not something we should be talking about in this day and age.

  • Bambanani - 2012-03-27 15:28

    the DA did its research in the surburb of the western cape.we believe them .

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-27 15:37

      Sigh... See what happens when idiots are left to sit in front of a computer panting for another DA/ANC article so they can comment and feel like they actually contributing something.

      Stephen - 2012-03-27 16:05

      Bad banana, I think the name says it all.

      Hentie - 2012-03-27 16:48

      Since when is the Western Cape a suburb? (I take you meant suburb when you wrote "surburb")

      tasmee.hylkema - 2012-11-29 21:21

      Western cape a "suburb"?????????????

  • Stephen - 2012-03-27 15:34

    We all know what this bill is about, so the looters can lie.

      NrGx - 2012-03-27 15:39

      ...and steal with impunity.

      Oom - 2012-03-27 16:41

      and it is to get the ball rolling on economic freedom

      NrGx - 2012-03-27 16:47

      What the hell is economic freedom? From experience, once you are a salary earner, you are a slave (figurative) to the economy. My only thought would be economic freedom means you get it (elec, food, water etc...whatever) for free.

      Oom - 2012-03-27 17:51

      Exactly, mines, land etc,etc.

  • Arthur - 2012-03-27 15:36

    The growth path of incoming governemts: we'll say all the right things and get elected; we'll make a fairly sound start, mainly becuase we'll tackle only the little bit we know about government; we'll earn big and start getting used to it; we'll be caught out, but that won't matter, we'll just silence our critics; we'll ride roughshod over everyone and legislate as it suits us; we'll live happily ever after in our banana republic!

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-03-27 15:41

    The ANC only have themselves to blame. They are too reactive. It might be a democratic practise to review certain laws and mechanisms but they only seem to do it when they have been the victim of it... This leaves 90% of the country with raised eyebrows and a mistrusting attitude... Of course you get the zombie trolls who don't think for themselves and defend these decisions by the ruling party by typing inane and weak comments.

      Ben - 2012-03-27 16:01

      Or according to above stats 96%. That means the other 4% are looters.

  • Adam - 2012-03-27 15:41

    Even some members of the anc are against the bill, but were coerced into voting for it.It is the PISS(protection of state stealing) bill that should be flushed down the loo.

  • schalk.mattheys - 2012-03-27 15:46

    Bambanani and makatika...do you guys even know what the "secrecy bill"is and what it will do if passed? Take some time and find out before making yourseleves look even dumber than what you already do! You've heard of censorship? Thats just one of the results that will ripple effect from such a secrecy bill being passed. You "kiddies" were not around when the old "NP" implimented similar "secrecy bills" Its not a nice thing being told by the government what you can or cant read, learn, write...

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-27 15:58

      They don't have to know what it is, they have no reason to mistrust the ANC right?

  • Sharon - 2012-03-27 15:48

    Does it matter if anyone supports the bill? When the ANC decides to do something, they do it - take the scorpions as an example. We only get a say once every 5 years, and our voices aren't loud enough.

  • Kyle - 2012-03-27 15:51

    to all the people who are lashing out at the DA about the western cape, and the word "refugee" please understand that this issue is not about the DA. Its about the ANC. The DA are the only party big enough to take the issue up with the ANC. Not to mention how they have the support of most institutions out there to get rid of this secrecy bill. And if you are an ANC supporter, and you agree with this bill, then im pretty sure they won't tell you the secrets anyway, because you'd never vote for them again.

  • Glyn - 2012-03-27 16:01

    The only fools are those who know thE THE ANC ARE WRONG BUT STILL VOTE FOR THEM!

  • chiepner - 2012-03-27 16:02

    Strange if only 4% support that bill with an estimated 5% holding on to most of the wealth in SA one tend to understand why the 4% holds on to this bill?. The rich will get richer and the fat cats will get their blood money for selling this great country to the highest bidders. Maybe Julias had one this right all along. It is time for a new type of revolution. One that will rid this country off all those self indulging leeches that cant understand that there is ALWAYS a end to the honey in the pot if you do not tend to your bee's.

  • Kathy - 2012-03-27 18:22

    Where ignorance is bliss it is folly to be wise. They can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but they can not fool all the people all the time. Their time will come.

  • ewanvb - 2012-03-27 19:16

    Even if the whole nation object to this bill, the anc think that they can force anything through as law to protect the fat cats. They are so far separated from the public that they do not know what the people think and they dont give a hoot.

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