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ANC centenary ritual slaughter begins

2012-01-07 08:22

Bloemfontein - The sounds of drums and chants filled the air outside the Waaihoek Wesleyan Church in Bloemfontein on Saturday morning in expectation of the ritual sacrifice of a bull by President Jacob Zuma.

The sacrifice forms part of a cleansing ceremony for the ANC centenary celebrations, and is done in order to invoke the spirits of the traditional ancestors so they could oversee the events.

Attending the ceremony were Traditional Affairs Minister Richard Baloyi, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe and African-American civil rights activist Jesse Jackson.

"We must recognise that the ANC and the people of South Africa have won a great victory. They have overcome the great oppression of apartheid, though it must be said that economic and agricultural apartheid still exist," Jackson said.

"The USA and South Africa both ended apartheid together, and both now have African presidents."

Earlier, workers and traditional leaders worked together to lead a bull into a makeshift kraal, before tying it to a tree. Zuma will reportedly slay the animal with a spear.

Mantashe said the ceremony allowed members and traditional leaders to enjoy the festivities as they wanted to.

"Traditionally the act of slaughtering has different meanings. All nations have a way of celebration through slaughter... it is all the same but in different circumstances." Traditional and religious leaders opened the cleansing ceremony outside the church on Friday evening.

The inter-faith service, which contained messages and blessings from representatives of the Christian, Muslim, Rastafarian and traditional African faiths was held at a marquee outside the church where the ANC was formed in 1912.

Attending that service was Mantashe, ANC chief whip Mathole Motsheka, ANC chairperson Baleka Mbete, Correctional Services Minister Nosiviwe Noluthando Mapisa-Nqakula and Congress of Traditional Leaders of SA president Phathelike Holomisa.

Comments
  • Larry - 2012-01-07 08:28

    This should prove to be the top entertainment of the Year. The ANC tearing themselves apart and passing the buck as usual.

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-01-07 09:36

      not the buck - the bull................

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-01-07 08:28

    For the ancestors? Huhh, so that they get angry.

  • Niel - 2012-01-07 08:33

    typical why dont they slaughter him and the rest of his sorry lot instead

      Karring - 2012-01-07 09:00

      do you wanna be the fool forever?

      John - 2012-01-07 09:20

      They can't slaughter Zoomer and his clan as with their fat content, they'll burn for at least 5 years......

      henniedotvanstaden - 2012-01-07 10:03

      And then they will have to slaughter 99% of them if they slaughter fat cows (bulls).

  • Phil - 2012-01-07 08:41

    And we call ourselves an upcoming western country..suppose to be the leading country in Africa. Where have we gone wrong?

      Karring - 2012-01-07 09:01

      what do you mean?

  • Donald - 2012-01-07 08:42

    Yep, and so were half the great men spoken of in the bible - The only thing thats changed over the past 5000 years is the manner in which we interact with our environment. If the ANC want to honour past traditions then so be it. Its customary. And FYI Christo, "WE OVERCAME APARTHEID" not "THEY".

  • Marc - 2012-01-07 08:45

    Oh, how backward! But also the attendance of heads of state. This is further proof that the ANC sees itself as equal to the State. The ANC is indeed the South African State; just as democracy is something only permitted WITHIN the ANC.

  • Ballito - 2012-01-07 08:47

    I think it is really important to understand the fundamentals of politics and the anc.no doubt greed has gotten into them and this beeg pot of honey must stay withb them for as long as jesus comes.i think whites indians we need to realise that the anc youth does not want to listen to whites and indians complaining.they simply believe we have it to soft and dont deserve the right to complain simply because we never fought apartheid and the whites never oppose it.my question is Mr Maleme where were you when the blacks were killing indians during the 1949 rights where were you when the indian movement also fought for equlity were where you when the indians from india were going on a hunger strike for the struggle of south africa.You were not around so you dont understand the struggle.we need leaders to motivate our youths with the right messages not messages of taking land for free and how many white domestoc workers you want to see.we need to tell all our people god willing to be career orientated.i feel truly blessed to be a south african indian and i am proud.Lack of leadership is letting our country down.as you say forgive the past and move into the future.whit.indian.black coloured we need to live in peace.wee need to seek knowledge rather empower ourself to be better like PROPHET MUHAMMED PBUH says' seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave'.So lets start working for what we want and not take for free.Lets respect each other.

  • Alva - 2012-01-07 08:48

    What a pile of spin-doctoring rubbish! Slaughtering a bull? FFS!

  • Jim - 2012-01-07 08:52

    Primitives...What more can you say.

  • neilza - 2012-01-07 08:53

    Savages, why dont they let the bull run around in a paddock and let JZ chase it. surely the ancestors will be more appreciative if he put a bit more effort in, instead of killing a tied up animals. and from the religious perspective those 'christian' leaders are going to have alot to answer for one day when the day of judgement comes. The first 2 of the ten commandments as follows in the Christian Bible: 1: I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me. 2 You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments. Just a thought

      Gail - 2012-01-07 09:36

      The Bible tells us in Exodus 20:3-6 that we are not worship any god other than the Lord God. Furthermore, since diviners and sorcerers were thought to be able to contact the dead, they were also expressly forbidden by God. Satan has always sought to supplant God, and he uses lies about worshipping other gods and even ancestors to try and lead people away from the truth of God’s existence. Ancestor worship is wrong because it goes against God’s specific warnings about such worship, and it seeks to replace Jesus Christ as the Divine Mediator between God and mankind. I thought Jesse Jackson was a man of God....I am obviously mistaken!!!

  • Michelle Vlok - 2012-01-07 08:56

    I really hope animal rights activists swarm that place!

  • The-third - 2012-01-07 08:56

    not enough bulls in the world to "cleanse" this bunch of corrupt hooligans.

  • David - 2012-01-07 08:58

    "You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens, or on the earth or in the sea. You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods...." Wherever others may draw the line the line that God has drawn is clear.

  • Shirley - 2012-01-07 08:59

    Do we have to hear this drivel. Its sadistio,barbaric. I wonder if the ancestors oversee all the corruption??? They must have "upgraded accomodation" wherever they are drifting around!! The only person who could cleanse the anc is a forensic auditor!!!!

  • adrian.strydom - 2012-01-07 09:02

    There we go...our Pres slaughtering an animal to appease the ancestors....and we think we stand a chance !!

  • Margot Pienaar - 2012-01-07 09:06

    Celebration by slaughter?

  • Mary - 2012-01-07 09:09

    I hope it bleeds all over his Gucci shoes.

  • Oom - 2012-01-07 09:09

    Wish they would use a modernized version of the cleansing ceremony in the parliament.

  • Greg - 2012-01-07 09:10

    Blood and death sacrifice. The ANC leaders are part of a Cult killing animals to connect with the spirit world.

  • jaap.kotze - 2012-01-07 09:17

    I find it hard to believe it is the year 2012, and this is happening! So, so left behind!

  • Niel - 2012-01-07 09:19

    whats your story Karring?

  • Kekeletso Nakeli - 2012-01-07 09:20

    I don't practise 'ritual practices for ancestors" but I don't judge anyone who does... We don't judge ourselves for eating slaughtered meat at a braai, but we want to judge those who slaughter for traditional purposes only difference is the slaughtering was done at a place where you don't see the killing. We've all heard what cruel conditions KFC treats their chickens, but yet, the ques in their shops are unbelievable... Don't judge something just because you don't follow the custom. Its each to their own. It is what it is.

      nspaynter - 2012-01-07 09:30

      I agree with you Kekeletso. I am a Christian and do not believe in such a ritual. I do, however, believe in spirits and believe them to be dangerous. I will have nothing to do with them. If I was an ANC member and part of the celebrations, I would have absented myself from such a ceremony. I cannot understand how people who have become Christians can also be involved with things of the spirits and ancestors. If people want to do that then so be it. It's for God to judge, not me. I also cannot be part of an inter-faith service for the same reasons. I do not judge other faiths, but when I worship God I do it with other Believers......

      nspaynter - 2012-01-07 09:32

      People who do absent themselves from such activities for personal faith reasons should also be respected for their decision.

      Rob - 2012-01-07 09:42

      Kekeletso: You can see a diversity opinions regarding animal slaughter. BUt you miss the main issue and that is a very natural concern that the people who are shaping this country have a belief system that endorses sacrifice. Yes Africa is primitive and brutish, but surely political and academic leaders have a responsibility to change and move the people away from primitive superstitions. This event is not a good example to set.

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-01-07 09:51

      @nspaynter is right - there are demons involved. The word of God says "Absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" Just what, and who, are these "spirits" that are wandering around. -------------- Draw your own conclusions !!!

      Kekeletso Nakeli - 2012-01-07 10:31

      @Rob, I stand to be corrected, are you saying that they should abandon the ways they have been raised and that which they believe in, simply because a certain portion of the population disagrees with them... Each to their own.

      Thami - 2012-01-07 11:14

      @nspaynter - January 7, 2012 at 09:30. Your dudty as a Christain is to spread the gospel. How are you going to do that if you only stick to believers? One of our best traits as Christians is tolerance and love, I do not see it in your post!

      Rob - 2012-01-07 11:20

      Kekeletso: Abandon there ways if they are judged distastful or in any way inappropriate. But by who???? You know what education and exposure to ideas does to a person? It develops an internal measure of what is right and what isn't. Lot's to debate here because there is no absolute measure. But we have to use what we have, and to my mind this practice is primitive and offensive

      nspaynter - 2012-01-07 14:22

      Thami, I am a witness of my faith. We're called to be salt. When salt is spread thickly it tastes awful, but when it it is spread out nicely it tastes great. Jesus did it through love. I do it through love. It's the only way I know.

  • Garth - 2012-01-07 09:20

    I obviously should have read the by-line before opening this up with as much hope as I had. There I was thinking that the rival factions were acting as they did in the 80s and 90s and were killing each other off. Hoping to read of the intra-party blood-letting of iBhambayi and other townships, but no, just some poor bull getting slaughtered by our progressive, 21st century ruling party and their chief.

  • Charmaine Paterson - 2012-01-07 09:22

    Jesse Jackson, I am white and I am African, you racist bigot.

      Jacqui - 2012-01-07 10:27

      Jesse Jackson is an opportunist and a bad one at that. I wouldn't give him the time of day.

  • Hugo - 2012-01-07 09:22

    In Russia bull slaughters president

  • Michael - 2012-01-07 09:24

    once again, i am reminded of the African man, who accused the Australians of being backwards for have the title of "Lord Mayor" This is a little more than backwards, this takes us back to the days of cavemen, when their knuckles still dragged on the ground. Funny how they can be such hypocrites, when it suits them. That or incredibly thick...

  • Derrick - 2012-01-07 09:27

    Part1: The ANC is a liberation party that has nothing more to liberate. That is their 'ma..deleMa'. They will splinter as greed and corruption takes its 'toll'. Its values has been hijacked by greed and power. True democracy for all South Africans, irrespective of colour, will hopefully, eventual replace the current abysmal circus. Let us hope it comes in our lifetime before there is nothing left, We host COP 17 and garbage flows from mouths, lip service to a green planet while we build 2 massive coal powered power stations in our back yard. For the same amount of money we could have built renewable wind farms that are sustainable, whose output in Megawatt surpasses them significantly. The reason is clear. It is easier for them to take bribes from parastatals then what it is from smaller individual windfarm power producers. I have no respect for our Kleptocratic Government (The term means "rule by thieves") or the people in it.

  • Derrick - 2012-01-07 09:27

    Part 2: It is undermining and overlooking the needs of the people, it is racist and greedy, the evidence is there for all to see, just switch on any news channel. The sooner it is replaced, democratically the better. Those who are in it and are trying to make a difference as well, you are not trying hard enough! Roads, health, education and employment are major problems and are falling apart because of bad management and racist appointments that are not qualified for the jobs they are doing. Municipalities are a prime example. The previous apartheid system worked. Roads, health and education functioned perfectly. Yes it was politically and de humanisingly bad and we voted it out for those reasons. But the replacement is far worse, it is incompetent and corrupt. Time for change.

      tamryn.palmer - 2012-01-07 09:31

      How are these barbaric traditions different to any other satanic cult? cats, cows same principle. It's Disgusting....

      Albert - 2012-01-07 09:35

      You don1t understand Derrick.Wind generators are white and coal is black.

      Tshepo A Sello - 2012-01-07 09:44

      The previous apartheid worked just for white people, it didn't work for black people

  • Rob - 2012-01-07 09:47

    I have a 'challenge' question for anyone who sees even the smallest validity in actions designed to appease ancestorial spirits. Let's give these spirits an existence and a reasonable amount of common sense. The question is: What opinion will the ancestors have of the corruption, racism, nespotism, and failed promises that the ANC embodies today. Seems to me that, if anything, the ANC cardres should be begging the ancestor's forgiveness for the mess they have created

  • Heinrich - 2012-01-07 09:53

    "The USA and South Africa both ended apartheid together, and both now have African presidents." This Jackson must be extremely confused or senile. By his reasoning apartheid still exists in the UK, Russia, all over Europe, Asia...all over the show where there are still no African presidents. I wonder if the plan is for Africa to colonise the rest of the world. Is Obama really African? I thought he was American. If I remember well, we had African presidents before. (Not Japanese, Chinese, Finnish, Swedish, Greenlandish, Outlandish...) Thinking of guys like FW de Klerk and quite a few Africans before him... Jackson probably brought the biggest bull to the ceremony. By the way, I wonder how Apartheid is progressing in Sudan? Maybe they also need an African president.

  • Helmut - 2012-01-07 09:57

    I hope the ancestores will rise and take them to there graves

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-01-07 10:53

      careful Helmut, whatever is rising- its not ancestors ! Dont wish this on anybody

  • Guy - 2012-01-07 09:58

    Hope you all enjoy our tax money, spoilt children

  • riaanfourieface - 2012-01-07 10:05

    King Saul did these type of things. First he visits the witch of Endor. Then she summoned the dead Samuel for him, but it was never Samuel, it was Satan parading around as Samuel. 'Samuel'(Satan) then revealed to Saul how he and all his men would die in battle the following day...and they did. I guess that's what happens when you play with fire. David then becomes king. Just know this Mr President, You are possibly summoning Satan in disguise. The dead knows nothing.

      Tebogo - 2012-01-07 10:39

      Well said.

  • tmojela - 2012-01-07 10:09

    All people know is to complain and critisize anything and everything that an african believes and stands for,please guys get a life.We Slaugher cow and sheep to envoke spirits and for thanks giving to our ancestors so what's barbaric about that?

      Rob - 2012-01-07 10:19

      Sacrifice is about giving up something and expecting nothing in return. The bull...he has no choice, so that is not sacrifice So who and what is being sacrificed here? But to answer your question, how do you expect educated people to respond to primitive ideas?

      Jacqui - 2012-01-07 10:37

      It is barbaric to believe that your ancestors should give you, what you should be working for. Trying to justify these actions show just how little you have learned. You either live in a modern western style country or you don't.

  • Trevor Mashilo - 2012-01-07 10:13

    Viva ANC...............U Liberated us from Struggle if u r negative plz dnt comment on my Status.

      Rob - 2012-01-07 10:21

      You are now liberated? Wonderful, now go and build something.

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-01-07 10:57

      you were born free. You know nothing about struggle........

  • Jacqui - 2012-01-07 10:14

    Poor animal, to be sacrificed for that lot.

  • Manoj - 2012-01-07 10:14

    Slaughter a Bull. You not going to win the Indian votes this way...

  • Mike - 2012-01-07 10:14

    These comments are mostly quite hypocritical. Pay a visit to your local commercial slaughter house. They are no less primitive, and the smell of blood and death are apparent to the condemned animals. I STRONGLY recommend that anyone wanting to inform themselves should Google the on-line movie called "Earthlings". We are all savages, some of us just don't acknowledge the fact.

      Jacqui - 2012-01-07 10:38

      I agree. No meat for me.

  • Litha Mampintsha Ndabula - 2012-01-07 10:15

    Let's put the ANC aside for now. I'm glad there are black people who still embrace their tradition. What do we honestly have to do to be in good standing. Whites have their ways as well as Muslims, are we suppose to follow them?? Civilization is what took black people out of the bush into houses only to make them pay to get in(Kruger). Let them be, we don't say bad thing when you pray to God

      Mahomed Dawjee - 2012-01-07 10:30

      The difference my friend is that muslims or hindus or christians do their rituals for their god. No where on earth would u find people praying to ancestors. Your ancestors had to devine power when they were living. What makes u say they gained these powers now that they dead

      Rob - 2012-01-07 10:37

      Circular argument Litha. Such acts as this one show that Africans are not yet all out of the bush!

      Jacqui - 2012-01-07 10:39

      What has praying to God and slaughtering a bull got to do with each other?.

      Litha Mampintsha Ndabula - 2012-01-07 10:43

      What about the white people who have turned sangomas, what about the black people who have turned Muslim, yet you will never hear black people insulting you on these.... Every year at work we get emails going out wishing Muslim people over their fasting period. Then come Christmas, christians don't get any wishes. Why don't you just let them be? A black man pays lobola, it's seen as bad thing or a "joke". A coloured man weds a Muslim & has to convert, but you don't get these kind of comments

      Litha Mampintsha Ndabula - 2012-01-07 10:48

      Rob, honestly i just wish we could just go back to those days.

      Rob - 2012-01-07 10:50

      Becomes some things are uninteresting, some are cute, some are interesting and some are offensive. It is bad to stifle discussion about any of them. Free dialoguge and dicscussion is what seperates the truly free and civilised from those less fortunate. You may not agree, but you MUST keep talking

      Litha Mampintsha Ndabula - 2012-01-07 10:57

      I might not follow some, but i respect all of them. I do not see why people would ridicule this, just because they do not believe in it

  • Bloed - 2012-01-07 10:34

    2Ki 17:35 – “… Ye shall not fear other gods, nor bow yourselves to them, nor serve them, nor sacrifice to them”

  • Sean - 2012-01-07 10:35

    You can judge the morality of a country by the way they treat their animal. Explains a lot, doesn't it.

  • Helen - 2012-01-07 10:38

    That repulsive Jesse Jackson is a joke in his own country. What an outrageous thing to compare our savage Zuma to Barak Obama. Would Obama slaughter a bull?

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-01-07 11:00

      @burtfred Yo ho ho

  • Andrew - 2012-01-07 10:45

    "The sacrifice forms part of a cleansing ceremony for the ANC centenary celebrations, and is done in order to invoke the spirits of the traditional ancestors so they could oversee the events." Whether it is America, South Africa - it is interesting that they always need to invoke the spirits; a similar grand ceremony was done in 1938 -although the altar was only inaugurated in 1949 but the theme was the same, celebrating a 100 years. May God help us not to see the fruits of these pacts/covenants in the nation

  • Bruce - 2012-01-07 10:58

    I would love to know what percentage of Obama's DNA is African. I can't recall any ritualistic slaughtering of anything at his inauguration!

  • Gillian - 2012-01-07 11:01

    Sol Plaatjie would turn in his grave. This is a perversion of all he stood for. He was a devout Christian that wanted recognition for all South Africans. He believed in education and learning and rising above circumstances and background to constantly improve oneself and the lives of others. This "new ANC" I believe would make him sick to his stomach. The killing of a defenseless animal has nothing to do with the ANC its history or the history of its founder

      Rob - 2012-01-07 11:29

      Gillian, seemes to me like you may be the voice of reason today. But who are thumbs down people? What do they know that we don't?

  • rickvcooper - 2012-01-07 11:09

    I thought the ANC's ritual slaughter commenced with the killing of innocents in the 'armed struggle' - which continues today...

  • Rory Neil Price - 2012-01-07 11:23

    Great to see ANC's Christian values, slaughtering an animal to appease the Gods, does the flowing blood symbolise the 19000 people murdered every year, that is not counting the thousands of rapes that take place every year, ok that excludes Zuma's rape case, that was consentual as the lady in ? was wearing a short skirt and HIV positive

  • trevor.putterill - 2012-01-07 11:24

    Yeah so you want to have farms like Zimbabwe, and economic apartheid we have in place already its called BEE.

  • Nonku FreedbyJesus Zulu - 2012-01-07 12:53

    sad

  • Theo du Plessis - 2012-01-08 14:46

    I have fought for you against Apartheid, foolishly believing that fairness awaits. Not true. You have shown hate for people, exclusion for the weak, and racism to white people. You have all my details. Come and spear me. It is what you`ve wanted anyway. Kill all white people, then find someone else to hate.