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ANC could sink SA, Zille says

2012-09-27 22:34

Cape Town - Warring factions on the "sinking ship" of the ANC posed an impending disaster the country would need to deal with, DA leader Helen Zille said on Thursday.

"The divisions at the heart of government are the root cause of ungovernability (sic)," she told the Cape Town Press Club.

They would lead to an ANC implosion that would dominate the political landscape for the next seven years.

"When you're on a burning platform, you're in a race against time... In politics, the instinctive reaction to a burning platform is denial," Zille said.

The ANC was using "political plastic watering cans" to douse the flames in its tripartite alliance.

She said this short-term view compromised the ability to get to the root crisis of economic exclusion, unemployment, poverty and inequality.

Every crisis, from the non-delivery of school textbooks in Limpopo to the gunning down of miners at Marikana, widened the division between populists and constitutionalists in the party.

"The ANC colossus stands inert in the middle, pulled in both directions, but unable to move either way without falling apart," Zille said.

Every citizen would need to decide whether to stand with the populists, who would drive the country into the "abyss"; or with the constitutionalists, who would fight for four core principles.

These were defending the Constitution, nurturing genuine non-racialism, growing a market-driven economy, and building a state that put competence above party loyalty, said Zille.

Zille, also the Western Cape premier, announced she would stand for a second term in November to lead a movement to recapture "the promise of 1994".

"I will continue to devote my life to the attainment of that goal. I have staked my political leadership on it. And I am prepared to work with all like-minded political leaders to achieve it," she said.

The next two years, leading up to the general election in 2014, would see significant political developments.

Zille said the country needed a convergence in the political centre as none of the existing political parties, as currently constituted, could credibly offer this on its own.

Both past and present parties were powerful brands but today served to keep apart millions of people who really belonged together.

Asked if her political invitation was specifically extended to the Congress of the People (Cope), she said no, although she wished it all the best and said the party was needed in the political space.

She said Cope needed to hold an elective congress and declare what political platform it stood on.

Comments
  • liesure.larry - 2012-09-27 22:51

    "ANC could sink SA, Zille says"... What this Zille woman about... They are already busy and NOT they Could...

      lownabester - 2012-09-27 23:02

      If only the DA could take over tomorrow, we are in with a chance. No turning back now from what the ANC has done to our beautiful country.

      cliff.slabbert - 2012-09-27 23:06

      They could survive on the populist vote that would put our country back several years Larry,as in the uneducated .....

      husaberg.twostroke - 2012-09-27 23:50

      South-Africa has already sunk into the unknown. Thanks to the anc and that fat pig malememmer.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-09-28 04:51

      Is that the Union building build by the colonialists? Grapgat!!!!

      megala.arxithia - 2012-09-28 05:18

      THE ANC...PROGRESSIVE!!1 THE ANC IS YOUR TYPICAL AFRICAN ONE PARTY STATE EXAMPLE THAT TURNS A ONCE PROSPEROUS NATION INTO THE CESSPOOL THAT IT CURRENTLY IS!

      janice.mcmaster.92 - 2012-09-28 07:18

      lesetjam, go play on a busy highway please!

      terry.burne - 2012-09-28 07:26

      @lesetjam - sadly it is black racists like yourself, who are the root of the problem. You would rather see the country go up in flames under an incompetent, corrupt, bunch of theives - then allow a competent person to rule this country ..... because she is white!!! The stupidity of africa knows no limits!!!!!

      djim.bie - 2012-09-28 07:47

      Snorkel is ready!

      John - 2012-09-28 07:52

      @Lesetjam One can only hang their head in shame at the utter patheticness of your "African mindset" comment. Cruy the beloved country...

      Johannvw13 - 2012-09-28 09:52

      Well that's where we are. You say we're on the brink of destruction and you're right. But it's only on the brink that people find the will to change. Only at the precipice do we evolve. This is our moment. Don't take it from us, we are close to an answer.

      ryno.botha.71 - 2012-09-28 13:28

      the rest of africa is in its moer what makes this country any different with the present anc a cow has only so much milk then it dies you have to feed it here in s a cow nearly dead no food damn idiots when will they wake the .... up

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-09-28 15:28

      Dear Lesetjam; "Your union building" may soon be an empty shell. The ANC needs a strong DA because the people need a choice. Think with me for a moment. There is a large population of young people in SA, they are dissatisfied with the ANC and Zuma, read the survey on 24.com if you don't believe me. They have no choice but to vote ANC but they are dissatisfied with the ANC then along comes Malema he is shouting all sorts of revolutionary things. There still is no choice but the ANC still there is an ousted Malema who is crying out for an economic revolution. Then the ANC's police (yes they are the police of this government) shoot and kill 34 miners at the Lonmin mine. Malema shouts even more, but still there is no choice for the people and still they have no jobs, no houses, and little education. Soon the only choice those 20 million or so unemployed, uneducated, and poorly housed youth have is armed revolution. If you think my hypothesis is wrong check the rest of Africa it has happened again and again and again. One party "democracies" don't last because they don't work and the usual result is armed conflict. No my friend you should pray for a strong and diverse DA because it could be the only thing that keeps revolution from the doorstep of SA.

      KennySven - 2012-09-28 17:08

      Correction Mrs Zellie,cANCer has sunk SA already.

      luvo.luvos - 2012-09-29 09:38

      Oh how the DA could suddenly wipe this country's past and make it the land of milk and honey that would make all the expats come back in their droves. Hell wake up !! Hitler's propagandist, Goebels once said that if you keep on repeating a lie often enough you might end believing it.

      frank.hall.7509 - 2012-09-29 10:43

      Lestjam your union building, you could not structure a building like that over your life time

      mark.richardson.3914207 - 2012-09-29 11:43

      not could they have already sunk half the country , Wake up Madame Zille time to call the referendum to break away , Republic of Western Cape is perfect. Then leave the rest to rot .

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-09-29 20:05

      At all; Get a democracy. A nation where the means of production are controlled by the state isn't a democracy. The world that supported (through sanctions) the ANC and their stubble against apartheid were promised a true democracy by the ANC. Where is that democracy. And as I alluded to in my previous post, if you want SA to continue without another revolution or with out civil war then get a democracy. History shows that one party nations have a short shelf life.

  • Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-09-27 22:58

    There is no 'could' they will and they are.

  • faizieishlah.shabalala - 2012-09-27 22:59

    Does she really think the 40 million pheasant who voted ANC care. They are already in the dwang

      raymond.romans.5 - 2012-09-28 07:52

      Faizie is such a pheasant plucker. :)

      larry.piggott1 - 2012-09-28 07:53

      Pheasants? dont you mean Chickens?

      aarchaic - 2012-09-28 10:25

      Obviously you not too smart either... SA only have 48 million people living in this beautiful country of ours but not all CAN vote... heres 2009 Election stats... South Africa: 2009 National Assembly election results Updated April 2009 Election held on 22 April 2009. Voting statistics Registered voters 23 181 997 Ballots cast 17 919 966 Percentage poll 77.30 Valid ballots 17 680 729 Spoilt ballots 239 237 % Spoilt 1.34 African National Congress (ANC) 11 650 748(votes) 65.90% Democratic Alliance (DA) 2 945 829 (votes) 16.66% Congress of the People (COPE) 1 311 027 (votes) 7.42% So if you went to school and actually had maths to matric ( and not maths littracy ) you would see of the 48 million only 24.2% of the entire South african population voted ANC

      sibusiso.mkoko - 2012-09-28 16:04

      @ Aarchaic >>> and some 30 million children of those 12 million who voted the ANC wud vote for it as well if they were allowed to. lmao. in ur face!

      mike.bundy.73 - 2012-09-29 09:41

      I think you meant to say turkeys

      susanna.smit.7 - 2012-09-29 19:37

      The rest are Sitting Ducks.

  • Carlton - 2012-09-27 23:15

    Since my comments seem to magically disappear, I'll keep this short and less poetic so here it goes sink Titanic sink

      larry.piggott1 - 2012-09-28 10:55

      So does some of mine, in the blink of an eye, just like my Tax money? Amazing stuff.

      luvo.luvos - 2012-09-29 09:48

      And that's because of all the k@@k you write. I always go and puke after reading your posts.

  • ronald.jeffs - 2012-09-27 23:27

    The ANC are just adding fuel to a fire that is already burning bright! They will not, can not and never be to able to move this country forward at the current rate we are going. People are getting poorer, towns and cities are getting worse, parastatals are falling apart ie Eskom, Telkom & SAA. If you voted ANC then you have no right to strike or complain! as simple as that.

  • tiaan.truter - 2012-09-27 23:28

    The ANC are well on there way....

  • robert.doyle.712 - 2012-09-27 23:32

    Soon theer will be 1 president for Life........watch and Learn..That is an African Fact and I think MALEMA will be that one.For Life just as Mugabe etc etc

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-09-28 02:11

      Well that would be a nice thing for the dictator, but not for you. Look half of Zimbabwe is living in SA. Can't be because Zimbabwe is a fantastic place.

      burningdogz - 2012-09-28 07:44

      One president for life? I assume you mean like Mugabe and company? Dictatorship? Brilliant. So you willingly hand yourself over to be used by a dictator in return for what? Money? Peasants don't get money from dictators poor fool. You get table scraps. This blind idiocy is what is killing South Africa. Too many people are willing to fall on their knees and offer themselves freely to corrupt extortionist who will abuse your misplaced loyalty with pleasure . . . and all the while you are thanking them for the attention. Do you get how pathetic that sounds? If you wanted a dictatorship why fight so hard against apartheid? Or is it better if the opressor is the same skin colour as you? You say this is an African fact? Don't insult Africa like that, the whole of Africa is not as willing to be a backwater slave as you are. Notice the rebellions lately where dictators are being taken down? No? Google the last dictator standing, funny video. So dear Robert, what went wrong in your life that you are so eager to be dominated by another man?

  • zulu.utanga - 2012-09-27 23:39

    Zille I am sorry you cant be the new zoo keeper of south africa last time you chased the strong zoo keeper de kleark away and now the animals are free

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-28 00:19

      Zoo orangutang, shush!

      sally.lewitt - 2012-09-28 02:26

      @Sean.. Lol! Zulu must be a zoologist in the Zoo-ma land of zoo keepers.. Zoom zoom!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-28 11:26

      Gosh you are really clueless utanga

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-09-27 23:51

    I hate to admit it but I agree with Zille. This boat is sinking. These guys are taking this country to nowhere . We have lost millions of rands to corruption.Millions of people who are voting for the ruling party are poor people . There are some people withinin the ruling party who are trying to fight corruption and maladministration but are struggling because under jz administration if one doesnt buy ticket of this gravy train-s/he is regarded as being 'counter-revolutionary' according JZ loyalists

      asdhasgd - 2012-09-28 07:49

      Billions bro. BILLIONS. The money wasted by the ANC's hands could have near solved the housing crisis in the major townships of south africa. FACT.

      John - 2012-09-28 08:13

      Zolisa If the ANC had just done what they were mandated to do from the start, and NOT raped the coffers, unemployment would be less than 10% and the average citizen would be living a very decent life. Unfortunately, incompetence and corruption are what sink most countries. There is no shortage of mney in SA, just a shortage of decent & honest people. We mock the pathetic ANC leadership, but the real rot is the fact that the average dark citizen actually votes for this filth!

      Nads - 2012-09-28 09:56

      Zolisa, well said! Unfortunately, this cannot be blamed purely on Zuma. It's been coming since the days of Mbeki. And now people think if Mothlanthe becomes president things will change? I have bad news for them, Mothlanthe is vice president, he has power, but doesn't use it to stop the rot. The failures of this regime cannot be blamed on Zuma alone. Before the last ANC national conference, people were worshiping Zuma. And look where we are now. The same happened with Mbeki. And now it's the same story with Mothlanthe. I'm sorry, what has Mothlanthe done to show that he is a worthy president? Nothing will change, because the ANC as a whole is rotten to the core. A new mask only hides the ugly face behind it, but unfortunately cannot change it.

      Chino Darling - 2012-09-28 10:21

      I feel you Zolisa. We are caught up between the Malema/Zuma feud. That is overshadowing all the good qualities that DO exist within the party.As for corruption and greed in the upper echelons of the party...isshhh...that's very sad. That does not necessarily mean everyone in the party is corrupt. Even in the past regimes, there were people who did vote for parties that had leaders that were racist though the people weren't mean to other races. It is unfair to paint the entire party with the same brush. Also note that corruption exists everywhere, there arre more hands in the pie now. Its messing up things. It can still be fixed though. The next revolution will be an economic one. We need to pick leaders that have a holistic view of that for all South Africans.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-28 11:31

      I totally agree with you Zolisa Regardless of party affiliation and skin colour, we need COMPETENT people running this country. People we can trust and therefore respect. We don't need leaders who can NEVER take responsibility for their actions and continually blame their failures on apartheid.

      luvo.luvos - 2012-09-29 09:52

      Thought as much. Judging by the likes you have on your post you have managed to lick your masters' butts succesfully . Congratulations,oh don't forget to use the mouth freshner, the butt odour can get a bit uncomfortable after a while my dear.

  • duma.nkabinde - 2012-09-27 23:55

    Okay prophet zille ! Please note that the ANC is a 100yrs old African organization, if we survived your forefather's evil system we can face anything!

      charl.reaper - 2012-09-28 00:00

      That's the problem. The organization that was created 100 years ago was not the one we have today. The forefathers are turning in their graves with sadness as the idea was to free the people not enslave them further. It's terribly sad to see.

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-09-28 00:06

      Wow buddy you act like you were there for those hundred years. Stop taking credit for something you had nothing to do with. The new generation of ANC cadres are corrupt ,self serving thiefs . With no regard for the people who voted and continue to vote for them. They change alliances faster than we can keep up. It's all one big self destructive joke.

      Watkykj - 2012-09-28 00:13

      That's why the education system is crapping off! That's why there are soo many strikes! That's why the countryis failing! Very good job ANC!

      abram.spamers - 2012-09-28 00:50

      The ANC you are talking about retired with Mandela. All that remains is a group of power hungry idiots who have no idea how to run a country anywhere but into the ground.

      mncedi - 2012-09-28 01:07

      Lol Duma.nkabinde they wont tell you that National Party(DA) is /- 100yrs old as well.

      michael.varikas - 2012-09-28 02:39

      Go deliver textbooks baba all you good for.

      johnny.matsetse - 2012-09-28 06:09

      @ Duma Nkabinde ,Good my Brother ,ANC is celebrating 100 years of existence,It took ur very ANC only 18 years to destroy the education,Health systems to what it is today

      asdhasgd - 2012-09-28 07:50

      Nothing like age-old mentality with new age contradictions hey duma? No wonder the organisation is failing.

      Nads - 2012-09-28 09:58

      Should be DOMa. Cannot see what your darling freedom fighters are doing to our country, you're so blinded by your racist hatred.

      rohin.jadin - 2012-09-28 10:21

      if only the ANC of today had the integrity and leadership of the ANC 100 years ago. ANC is just 3 letters - it means nothing now - it's all about too many people wanting to be the boss.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-28 11:33

      The ANC was a LIBERATION movement for 100 years, NOT a political party with any experience in governing. Granted that was apartheid's fault. But come on, are you forever going to blame everything on apartheid? Apartheid never forced people in the ANC to do a sh*t job and steal from the people that voted them in. Catch a wake up and get with the programme.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-09-28 12:07

      duma.nkabinde. Don't insult the old ANC by comparing it with this new sad thing that took it's place. Albert Luthuli, I am glad you never saw what these crooks have done to your beloved party.

  • duncan.gill1 - 2012-09-28 00:24

    Under the NATS we all voted blindly..under the ANC they all vote blindly..South Africa has always been a one party democracy!What we need is a whole brand new political system..sadly this wont happen in my lifetime but give it another 100 years and who knows..with time anything is possible!

  • philemon.khatlake - 2012-09-28 00:28

    the 2011/12 Auditor General report is evidence tha SA is in serious danger.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-09-28 00:29

    Zille warring factions is good for democracy remember ANC are going to their conference and in a democratic setting they must fight it out. Look what happened in the American primaries, candidates castigate each other and at the end of the day, the better man will win. This is not Zimbabwe so let them fight it out. When Mazibuko fought it over with that old whiteman nobody complained because that's how democracy works! So let it be, I understand that these days Zille had a media blackout so its just statements to keep herself in the news. Seems Malema makes more headlines than Zille

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-09-28 02:19

      warring factions in a party means the party has no direction, it's like a rudderless boat going nowhere, and at the mercy of the tides and the wind. We aren't going to end up in a good place believe me

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-09-28 03:20

      @A political party without debate is dead, actually it will be dictatorship we can't have a grouping of yes Sir or Madam douchebags to claim that the party is moving in the right directiom! @Jamba don't mistake corruption and money laundering, technically there is a big difference between the two!

      asdhasgd - 2012-09-28 07:54

      ever heard of the word inFamous lerato? probably not cause of ur grade 2 education but anyway. inFamous is the opposite of famous: HE IS GETTING HEADLINES FOR THE WRONG REASONS! RACISM! INCITEMENT! HATE SPEACH! VIOLENT PROTESTS! CORRUPTION CHARGES! TENDER FRAUD! He's probably yur best role model.

      John - 2012-09-28 08:19

      Lerato, are you drunk? When the DA war, at the ned the loser shuts up and accedes defeat with dignity! Your party never accepts defeat and yet claim to be democratic. You have NO idea what democracy, respect & dignity are dear!

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-09-28 09:28

      @opinionater, all I do is stating facts without insulting anyone, as for you I don’t have to ask about your education qualities because clearly you are a cripple when it comes to this matter. Anyway infamous is not the opposite of famous, go ask your Grade 3 nephew! Both words refer to famous people but the infamous one is famous for the wrong reasons, in short even infamous people are famous! Rather stick to the argument at hand than parading your lack of intellect on a public forum! @John, there is a world out there besides DA and ANC please I'm not any party follower am my own man and am not a sheep that follows blindly I'm commenting as a citizen of this country. So take your party blinkers and shove them, can't u argue without flashing your party card? Sies man!

      wo0two0t - 2012-09-28 13:51

      lerato- Corruption means In philosophical, theological, or moral discussions, corruption is spiritual or moral impurity or deviation from an ideal. In economy, corruption is payment for services or material which the recipient is not due, under law. This may be called bribery, kickback, or, in the Middle East, baksheesh. In government it is when an elected representative makes decisions that are influenced by vested interest rather than their own personal or party ideological beliefs. Please explain to me how Malema got his millions without any form of corruption including money laundering? To me it was all through his political connections and corruption, it sure wasn’t through hard work?

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-28 00:29

    Lord do not allow non believers to use Ur Name in vain. Amen.

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-28 00:31

    Ur one of those animals

  • mncedi - 2012-09-28 00:34

    When the former DA president Tony Leon resiged to politics I told my mates that \ now the Anc will relax and do as they pleases and forget if they have opposition\ As far as I understand South Africa has a multiparty democracy so I find it hard to understand what Madam Zille is saying. To me as an ordinary citizen she means that the opposition parties have no say in ouer government. If that then is true whats the point of their existance.

      irvin.mkhari - 2012-09-28 01:48

      i like to inform madam's supporters that their leader will remain a premier till she yield politics.

      John - 2012-09-28 08:22

      Wow Mncedi Your brain has been wiped clean by the ANC I see. You just call Helen the "madam" yet she is the only political beacon of non-racial, competent progress" on this continent. Funny how ANC supporters are so blind and dumb they cannot recognize development & progress when they see it hey?

      Nads - 2012-09-28 10:18

      Wow guys, you really are brainwashed and daft hey? Do you know that this "madam" fought against apartheid, that she was outspoken and bold in her fight to end it. Do you know that she is making a real difference in the WC with the help of the competent people around her, that she is uplifting EVERYONE there, not just the few lucky individuals who happen to get their hands on a corrupt tender. But hey, let's look at her as a "madam" rather, as someone to laugh at and not listen to, and let's keep voting for the ANC, the party that has ensured that their people remain impoverished and uneducated, the party that has downtrodden our public health system to the point where people cannot have emergency surgeries because of a lack of equipment, the party that has stolen more money than they have allocated to basic services, the party that have raped our country to the state where it is impossible to see light at the end of the tunnel. Yes, let's vote for them, not because they're competent, but because they're black.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-09-28 00:35

    What is happening within that party can make it ANC stronger again if they face their challenges very well

      asdhasgd - 2012-09-28 07:55

      which they wont. and to quote Yoda "That is why you fail" FAIL!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-28 11:52

      And what exactly has strength got to do with running a country? Accountability and competence is what matters.

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-28 00:38

    Lol they cant cos its filled with ugly overweight selfish power hungry uncivilised idiots drunks thieves n rapists.

  • mncedi - 2012-09-28 00:49

    Some of us we have'nt forgotten that the DA is the former National Party with a name change therefore we still pleased if it stays as the opposition not to be in power again. So Madam continue to be work hard to maintain as the strong opposition otherwise the likes of cope and UDM might step in your territory. Let the ANC solve its problems and focus on your DA.

      irvin.mkhari - 2012-09-28 01:35

      @jamba who have knowledge to solve problems,DA i do not think so.and i like to inform you that money is power.

      chris.whittaker.9047 - 2012-09-28 06:51

      @mncedi. The DA is not the former National Party. The former NP joined the ANC while floor crossing was still legal. Martinus V Schalkwyk was their leader. He is Minister of Tourism. I hope this helps.

      jayjay.mlungu - 2012-09-28 07:47

      This is funny! Kortbroek was the leader of the NP and he and his cadres joined the ANC! Get your facts right! DA did not evolve from the old NP. The old NP went over to the ANC

      suash - 2012-09-28 08:30

      You are a retard, get your facts straight before you comment.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-09-28 10:06

      Nevermind the fact that Zille actually fought against apartheid and is one of the reasons the inhuman crimes of apartheid got recognized internationally through world media. Oh well, she probably knew that eventually the people would be misinformed about her past for political reasons.

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-09-28 11:38

      You're terrified of this tiny minority, hey Mncindi! They must all be Supermen and Superwomen, being even capable to take power again in this day and age in your eyes; and with everything that has happened! Makes me feel very good, thanks for the compliment!! Your white Superhero, Bob.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-28 11:53

      Actually, the National Party was absorbed by the ANC. Shows how much you know. FFS, learn the facts

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-28 11:54

      That's your problem... it shouldn't be about fixing the ANC or Da's problems... It should be about fixing this COUNTRY'S problems.

      brad.herbert.522 - 2012-09-28 12:04

      @irvin.. I would like to educate you as you clearly lack some. Money is not necessarily power. Ghandi had power and he was flat broke.

      derek.wright.7370 - 2012-09-28 12:32

      Idiot! The DA never was or will be the NP. Their predecessors, the Progressive Party opposed the NP and fought on behalf of the disenfranchised. The NP have MERGED with your precious ANC ( birds of a feather?)

  • irvin.mkhari - 2012-09-28 01:28

    madam seek political scores by making the opposition party look bad,i hear to declare madam a premier forever,a nge xi tshameli xitulu xa murhangeri wa africa dzonga.

      phae.rayden - 2012-09-28 01:30

      irvin.mkhari in English????

      douglas.reid.921 - 2012-09-28 04:39

      R675 000 000 000. That's R675 billion lost to corruption, not bad?????? Some of that belonged to you!!!

      Delton - 2012-09-28 07:13

      Mr Mkhari dat level of your ignorance is just sickening.My advice to you is dat go ask the many Zimbabweans who are daily queing at our country's Home Affiars offices from the sunrise to the sunset as to why dont they go back to their country of birth.Maybe their answer will be a wakeup call to a prick like yourself.In wich part of Giyani are you from?

      jayjay.mlungu - 2012-09-28 07:47

      Cant look worse than the ANC.

      Zahir - 2012-09-28 08:04

      Ignorance is bliss limpopo educated? Fishing textbooks from river

      halla.makondo - 2012-09-28 10:24

      Sum comments are here to add numbers not facts, my bra you seem more like you are deffending ur daily bread(ANC) not considering the facts, surely you might be one of those tender guys, the ship is really and the youth of mzansi is actually watchin with a wide open eye and we will take it down and see if what they experience 42 years ago will still happen, it is suppose to be a new South Africa I thought.

      cindy.dunn.9 - 2012-09-29 09:05

      Irvin open your eyes she doesn't need to make them look bad,they doing a fantastic job of making themselves look bad. Eish

  • byron.pienaar - 2012-09-28 01:35

    Makes feel proud to be a,white South African.blacks still feel threatened by our intelligence.they are still afraid that we add more,value than harm.every black that sings,DA is old NP and that whites must not rule SA,are sadly so scared that they run in circles screaming like mad people...thankfully,I have met blacks who have intellect and foresight,and it assures me one thing,not all blacks are savages,even though the majority of their actions speak otherwise.continue hating and fearing us whites,it's ok.we don't mind being the minority but the majority of intelligence

      irvin.mkhari - 2012-09-28 01:54

      arrogant intelligence,selfish,greedy and oppoturnist white outsiders.

      sally.lewitt - 2012-09-28 02:15

      The word 'savage' is a derogatory classification on any human being regardless of race.. Tut-fk-tut-tut! \r\nIf you where thrown in un chartered deep shark invested waters with no knowledge on how to swim or sail a boat I am sure you'd be scrambling for any form of survival. So think again before you hurl insults. Rather throw a life line than stand on the bank and make a fool of yourself..

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-09-28 04:57

      Agreed Sally. But you will not stop these racists from spewing their bile on these public platforms. The trick is to ignore their posts and hope beyond hope that they are in the minority.

      jayjay.mlungu - 2012-09-28 07:49

      Irvin. I was born and bred here as were my parents and theirs-how am I an outsider? I had no choice in the matter!

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-09-28 11:28

      Although I don't share your sentiments as far as your almost generalizing of black people being "not all savages", I do agree that lots of comments here by black people are breathing of an obsession with this small, I guess now less then 10% of the population. It does give the impression that whites in this country are some kind of 'Super Humans' in those black people's eyes!

      emile.marais - 2012-09-28 12:37

      Byron ag please man. Seriously your casual racism is plain to see. Don't associate me with your 'proud white South African'. No wonder black people hate us with sentiments like yours.

      Alice - 2012-09-28 12:56

      Really Byron Van Der Pienaar?? I'm not threatened and never will be threatened by any White South African.

      luvo.luvos - 2012-09-29 09:57

      Oh get over yourself you spineless tweet.

  • sally.lewitt - 2012-09-28 01:37

    Do what you think is right within your inner self and follow your gut instinct! Remember, like an abused and shunned child, who will do anything, good or bad to 'seek' attention {ask any Mother on this} 'attention IS attention' it is what it is.. Good Luck SAns, let's ride this storm, 'good or bad' minus any fearful thoughts. Fear is dangerous.. Face them to overcome them.

  • devon.riley.52 - 2012-09-28 02:06

    The DA is our last chance to save SA from becomming another Zimbabwe. I hope Ms Zille makes good on her promise for the future for the sake of us and our children. I would hate to leave my home, but the political and social landscapes are becomming more and more worrying by the day.

      kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-09-28 07:45

      But u survived apartheid?

  • irvin.mkhari - 2012-09-28 02:09

    to insult other people on news24 it is inappropriate,let us acknowledge that ANC is in power let us be happy for the ANC.

      douglas.reid.921 - 2012-09-28 04:35

      They said that about Hitler, Stalin, Amin, Pol Pot, Mugabe, Gadaffi, Bush, etc. If you are happy with crime and corruption then so be it, you are paying for it, its your money.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-28 11:59

      Happy that they do a sh*t job, and steal from the very people that voted them into power? Ja... you deserve to be poor and have nothing then.

      emile.marais - 2012-09-28 12:40

      I'll never endorse murderers, thieves and con artist. Why should I support the criminal under-class ruling this country?

  • irvin.mkhari - 2012-09-28 02:14

    if you want a situation where president of a certain country gossip president of other country,give power to madam.

  • Tshilidzi Wa Ha Mukhovha - 2012-09-28 04:16

    Helen Zille (Recapture the promise of 1994!) I wish all your dream come true to come and rescue TiTANIC which is already sinking. Alone you won't win but prepare the people to vote for DA.

  • louis.hager.12 - 2012-09-28 04:57

    Could?

  • Savethe White O - 2012-09-28 04:58

    Another perfect example of an uneducated fool

  • leko.dada1 - 2012-09-28 05:39

    I saw desperate DA's advert on mail

      leko.dada1 - 2012-09-28 05:43

      Where's the rest of my comment?

      burningdogz - 2012-09-28 08:06

      You mean somthing went wrong with your comment? QUICK! Blame apartheid!

      luke.dekoker - 2012-09-28 11:10

      lekoto, the rest of your comments were stollen by the anc clowns to discuss during their December feast

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-09-28 05:42

    The writing is on the wall, the anc will probably survive the coming election but with devision and chaos growing rapidly in the organisation they will fold with the following election. Am so looking forward to that day!

  • zibele.bala1 - 2012-09-28 05:42

    mxm Zille.I hate DA with passion

      IcemanGP - 2012-09-28 06:11

      Why? Is it perhaps you are ignorant.

      brett.michielin - 2012-09-28 06:55

      Why. Really I want an answer.

      shaylene.stenger - 2012-09-28 07:50

      why? is it because thy not corrupt like the ANC?

      jayjay.mlungu - 2012-09-28 07:52

      because they show the ANC for what they are and prove you wrong? Ok I understand then

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-28 12:01

      Ignorant people hate and fear what they do no understand. The ANC makes empty promises, and the ignorants just blindly follow.

  • don.mug.3 - 2012-09-28 05:44

    DA does not stand for Zille,Zille stands for DA.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-09-28 05:46

    the ANC is already harming this country!!!

  • mpho.c.moreki - 2012-09-28 05:47

    I just wish ordinary citizens understand the economic implications of this mess caused by ANC.WE ARE HEADING TO ZIMBABWE ROUTE, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

  • Sean de Beer - 2012-09-28 05:54

    Remember that 'madam' was an anti-apartheid activist. She has always fought for YOUR rights.

      Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-09-28 06:08

      and wena!!!? What did you do!!!? NOTHING!!!!! you probably sat there and called her names whilst she was trying to change things!!! That's why apartheid lasted sooooo long, because of people like you who enjoyed its fruits!!!!

      Sean de Beer - 2012-09-28 06:33

      You are right , i did nothing because i wasn't born yet. Im doing something now. My parents fought for equality, i will do the same. Don't judge me till you know me.

      aphindas - 2012-09-28 06:40

      Your parents didn't fight for equality but was against it, its people with that tendency of yours that course the ANC to remain in power we don't like what its doing but white people are still full of anger

      brett.michielin - 2012-09-28 06:49

      Sean dude stupidity will always rule. Like u said they don't know you.

      Sean de Beer - 2012-09-28 06:49

      aphindas- my mother was part of the black sash movement. My dad ANC!!!! Don't judge me if you don't know me.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-28 12:03

      Hahaha!!! in your stupid face Tshepo!

  • KennethNtimane - 2012-09-28 05:54

    I've always maintained - what will Zuma, Sexwale, Motlanthe, or anyone else in the ANC do differently that Mandela, Mbeki hasn't? This ANC majority is nonsense, it needs to be diluted soon. No textbooks in Limpopo - in any normal country, the education minister should have resigned in shame; the unnecessary massacre in Marikana; the Auditor General's recent pronouncements on municipalities finances, scandalous; children in the Eastern Cape still learning under trees; even this Gauteng highway eToll system being pushed down our throats; the political unwillingness to deal decisively with crime; non-delivery of services ......the list is endless. This is just absolute rubbish. Anyone remembers the promises that come our way all the time just before the elections. We are quickly heading into that period, of overpromising/2013, then we vote/2014, and underdelivery/2014-2019. It's happened all the time. Why we don't wisen up to this nonsense baffles me. We should stop this blind loyalty, treating politicians like demigods. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Fighting apartheid and governing a country are two very different situations. The ANC has failed dismally.

      hughfh - 2012-09-28 10:14

      I tip my hat to you sir, that is an outstanding summary of the current situation.

      sanda.mnyazi - 2012-09-28 11:19

      A disgruntled PAC supporter

  • ian.jansevanvuuren - 2012-09-28 05:57

    You think??

  • Colin Jacobs - 2012-09-28 06:15

    Helen Zille is an opportunist and wants to use black people to her advantage, sorry mam that wouldn't happen the ANC is not a fly by night organization, the ANC will govern with the people, Marikana, is due to white regime that our people striked not the ANC.

      fairness.iseverything - 2012-09-28 06:31

      Like she said, in denial...

      fairness.iseverything - 2012-09-28 06:33

      Like she said, in denial...

      brett.michielin - 2012-09-28 06:44

      @*#k me!! Stupidity at its best

      loading123 - 2012-09-28 07:20

      I suppose the white regime has something to do with Malema stealing millions too? Blaming things on apartheid is so common these days. Isn't it funny that the further down the drain the country goes, and the further away we get from the apartheid era, the more we blame on it? Why are so many content on turning this country into the next Zimbabwe? Where will you all go when you've f**ked this country up beyond repair? We will just go to Europe or Oz or wherever we like. You will have to stick it out, eating worms and trash whilst watching SA burn, wishing that you'd actually used your head and realized that the ANC is screwing up the country. An African mindset is to support someone to the bitter end, even if they are shagging your wife, you go boys!

      charl.e.visser.1 - 2012-09-28 07:23

      You go Collin, let the the ANC give you your free vote for Zuma T-Shirt and allow them screw up your kids' education. Its sad that most voters in SA don't have the vision of democracy and will follow in footsteps of the other African countries... The whites should have never come to Africa...

      luke.dekoker - 2012-09-28 11:20

      loading123, these lot are right to blame it on apartheid, but what they don't mension it is not the old one we know it is THEIR NEW CancER APARTHEID (BEE, AA, etc)

  • ipeleng.molaba - 2012-09-28 06:18

    Lol Zille u r stupid... U cnt win supportrs by badnaming de ANC,it is clear now dat u wont be able 2 run SA

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-09-28 06:29

      Actually, she's right, the ANC failed on 94 promise, but it's more Zoomer than the ANC. The four principles she's talking about are foreign to my beloved party. But I still think that the WC is a bit of a Volkstaat so running the country? No, the country will easily become a barbaric Nazi country like it was before.

      fairness.iseverything - 2012-09-28 06:31

      Like she said, in denial...

      fairness.iseverything - 2012-09-28 06:34

      Like she said, in denial...

      shaylene.stenger - 2012-09-28 07:52

      obviously you have never been to Cape Town....

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-28 12:13

      The people of this country are waking up, and realising the ANC only care about themselves and their bank accounts.

  • steven.m.armour - 2012-09-28 06:18

    Country renamed titanic.we started sinking long ago.

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-09-28 06:22

    PEOPLE, lets give this country a fighting chance to be amongst the best in the world!! more economic freedom for the masses!!! better jobs for ALL!! no more brown bag envelops!! no more tenders for government connects!! no more tjotjo!! no more drowning texts books in Limpopo!! no more leadership vacuum!!! no more service delivery protests in Mpumalanga!! no more incompetent ministers being reshuffled!!! For good, clean and accountable government VOTE DA!!! The ONLY party that transcends racial divides and speaks to the issues that affects people at a human level!!! VOTE DA!!!

  • lvhukeya1 - 2012-09-28 06:25

    like it or not but de ANC will rule dis country forever no matter what de whites say.

      fairness.iseverything - 2012-09-28 06:30

      Like she said, in denial...

      brett.michielin - 2012-09-28 06:39

      I hope You enjoy having over 70 percent of our countrymen living in slums then. If the DA won Lindiwe would lead not Zille. Its incredible that you would rather cut your nose off to spite your face than do what is really right for the country and the people.

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-09-28 06:43

      It'll take centuries before there'll be a white president again in this country, thank God, but the ANC's rule is ending very soon wet-wick. Imagine what'll happen if Zuma win Mangaung? Only imbeciles will vote for that illiterate imbecile.

      lesedi.mokabane - 2012-09-28 06:55

      Lindiwe is weak she can't rule this country, we need a veteran

      louis.nolte.3 - 2012-09-28 06:57

      If Zille was black you would have voted for her. Just shows how short-sighted you are.

      brett.michielin - 2012-09-28 07:11

      She can't be worse than the clown running it now. Please give examples of her weakness.

      loading123 - 2012-09-28 07:23

      Only imbeciles did vote for that illiterate imbecile.

      shaylene.stenger - 2012-09-28 07:54

      @lesedi : and Zuma is'nt? or should we say doing a fantastic job?

      apepler1 - 2012-09-28 08:14

      You call this ruling.......why vote for a party that only feed their own pockets...... you and your supporters must not cry when u jobless and hungry......keep voting for them.. PATHETIC !!!!!!

      reg.nagel - 2012-09-28 11:06

      ivhukeya...BULLSH%T !!! Miss Lindiwe will be President of South Africa for all!!!Like it or not..Viva D.A.Viva

      luke.dekoker - 2012-09-28 11:24

      lesedi, you must have been one of those who passed the Shower-Test??

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-28 12:16

      Oh, are you a psychic? Cool! Hey people, he knows the future!! If you want to win the lotto, contact him!!!!

  • fairness.iseverything - 2012-09-28 06:38

    What happens if you kick a rotting tree trunk, the worms inside start squirming. Get my drift? I am not fond of the DA but then again there is no one else out there better then them. I will never forgive the ANC

  • Ntombí Siwela - 2012-09-28 06:45

    no zille u WRONG...that will never happen...u just want to use this chance to get black peoples to vote for DA .. think again

      smith.mbele.7 - 2012-09-28 06:50

      No sisi, Mrs Zille jus wants smart black ppl like myself to vote the DA and all the stupid ones to renain with the anc their fellow criminals!!! C it is not rocket science, jus a matter of hu is free and hu is dom!

      louis.nolte.3 - 2012-09-28 06:52

      Clearly you haven't been living in South Africa for the past couple of years - with all the DA marches, the majority of people are black; and whites only make up approximately 10% of the entire country's population of which many do not vote - so go and work out the maths for the last election.

      B.b. - 2012-09-28 07:00

      No, Zille is very clever. I'm glad she mention the word 'COULD', which means that she is just stating a hypothesis, she doesn't have a proof of that. Good one, the smart ones will still vote for ANC and foolish ones will vote for individual in the ANC or leave the party to form their spaza party. Thank u Zille. U r sometimes deviating from being a politician into an analyst wooooow

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-09-28 07:02

      She's actually right. But she aint getting my vote, EVER

      dehlia.fredericks - 2012-09-28 07:30

      open ur eyes, everything is falling apart nd Y? whose running the country....surely nt the da! face reality bru!

      shaylene.stenger - 2012-09-28 07:56

      thats eaxctly what the NP said and guess what happened.... guess what history always repeats itself!!!

      phillip.fischer.39 - 2012-09-28 10:52

      Interesting fact....Graskop municipality in Mpumalanga was under ANC rule. The voters got fed up with them and when the Local elections came along, they DIDN'T vote ANC....They also DIDN'T vote DA. So guess under who's control the municipality is now..... So you don't have to vote DA Notombi, just show your anger with the ANC for not delivering by staying away when it's time to vote. By doing that you will actually be helping yourself while not voting for the opposition.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-09-28 12:18

      Mbele u da man!

  • bulelani.mhabuli - 2012-09-28 06:48

    Zille noba uyathanda or not ANC iyakulawula kude kubuye uyesu nawe uyayaz lonto so if u can't beat them join them

      B.b. - 2012-09-28 06:50

      Mxelele nyani Cadre lol lol

  • Vince.York - 2012-09-28 06:52

    A SIMPLE BIG CONGRATUATIONS to this DA party that have across the country already uplifted so many peoples lives! Millions of once anc supporters have long ago made the change and have actively been getting their lives and their families onto the upward success path that presently only the DA offers, and now many more wil also do the same. Juts simply walk into a DA office and start with talking and reading up a little of the good programs on the go.......all welcome.

      lesedilicious.mak - 2012-09-28 07:11

      evry1 who is not in ruling wil say n do anythin to try impress u, but once they r in ruling post hahaa u'll c their tru colors....

      phillip.fischer.39 - 2012-09-28 10:56

      lesedilicious, remember your words, especially if Malema comes to power....learn lessons from the past....Remember Nongqawuse....

  • zane.jacobsen - 2012-09-28 06:53

    lol she only figuring this out now....hahaha

      louis.nolte.3 - 2012-09-28 07:01

      No, she figured this out many years ago. DA political analysts are not stupid. They are timing their responses to swing votes.

  • mabhekana.nzuza - 2012-09-28 06:55

    Zille is hungry 4power, once she got a power, she will do what the Anc is doing. All polititian are the same, I don't trust even a single one. Check what is happening in her Province the toilets issues.

      louis.nolte.3 - 2012-09-28 06:59

      You're not staying up-to-date...the toilets have been fixed on a number of occassions, only for thugs to vandalise them again - what's the point of helping people that don't want to be helped. Just like all that vote for the anc regardless of how useless they are.

      winifred.watson.9 - 2012-09-28 07:08

      Mabhekana,nzuza.....you really make me laugh. You looking at toilet issues, what about the ANC how many in provinces are still sitting without toilets. Grow up, I suppose the education crisis is much better than toilets. Just shows you how you need to up your education. You are just one of those ANC supports who still sits with their chains on too scared to venture out incase you may just get a better life. You have locked yourself into the past and cant unshackle yourself to tata ma chance. Remember, when people like you chase away the white man, the Government is will be looking at you to support the countries needs. So my advice get off your backside and get busy you got more than 14 million grants to pay every month and dont forget the gravy train likes their money too. You people always got bad things to say about the white, but its the white that go into the townships provide blankets in winter and food, they have been fighting government about the education crisis they do a lot of good for the black people.....so missy stop sniffling like a child wipe your own snotty nose dont wait for me to do it.

      mzwandile.dlamanzi - 2012-09-28 07:14

      @louis, you will die of heart attack take it easy, just enjoy your stollen pension. Your daily activity now is to go check the post and read die burger and Argus.

      louis.nolte.3 - 2012-09-28 08:05

      Thank you for confirming my earlier comment. I rest my case.

      markus.esterhuyse - 2012-09-28 08:17

      You point to one issue, all ANC municipalities are falling apart! She appoints competent people to govern, you will never admit that the ANC has failed SA! I voted IFP with first elections as a whitey\r\nYou only proving how really intellectually impaired you are.

      luke.dekoker - 2012-09-28 11:34

      mabhekana.nzuza, Still asleep?? just like the clowns you've voted for

  • B.b. - 2012-09-28 07:07

    No, Zille is very clever. I'm glad she mentioned the word 'COULD', which means that she is just stating a hypothesis, she doesn't have a proof of that. Good one, the smart ones will still vote for ANC and foolish ones will vote for individual in the ANC or leave the party to form their spaza party. Thank u Zille. U r sometimes deviating from being a politician into an analyst wooooow! I love thaaaat!

  • eric.martinsich - 2012-09-28 07:24

    Where was Zille all those years to help the people. Lets imagine this scenario. The majority of ANC supporters decide to vote for the DA. What will change as it is the people that decides what they want from Politicians as this is a democratic state. It is time that we focus on all the good that is been done and build further from there.

      kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-09-28 07:31

      Thanx Eric