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ANC disgusted by ANCYL's 'lack of respect'

2012-03-16 15:43

Johannesburg - The African National Congress expressed disgust on Friday over comments made by the party's youth league about President Jacob Zuma.

"The ANC is disgusted by the false and inaccurate response of [the] ANCYL to an interview of President Zuma on the issue of [the] disciplinary process that is currently unfolding," ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said in a statement.

Mthembu was responding to an earlier statement by the youth league after Zuma spoke at The New Age and SABC breakfast in Port Elizabeth on Friday morning.

At the breakfast, Zuma said should the disciplinary committee reject an appeal by youth league leader Julius Malema, then a new president would need to be sought.

The ANC said: "Therefore the president did not pre-empt the current disciplinary process, if anybody has tried to, it is the ANCYL with their public pronouncements of agitating against the findings."

The youth league earlier questioned whether it should in fact pursue the appeal process considering Zuma had already pronounced on it.

"President Zuma's proclamation that the ANC youth league will have to have a new president is a premature expulsion of ANCYL president [Julius Malema] even before the national disciplinary committee of appeals could listen to evidence on whether the sanction of the NDC is sound," the league said.

The ruling party said the league had also incorrectly said it had charged the youth league leadership.

"We want to re-state that the comrades that are facing disciplinary measures are not facing disciplinary measures as youth league leaders, but as members of the ANC.

"Given this fact, we expect all ANC members to abide by [the] constitutional provisions of the ANC constitution and respect the processes as prescribed," Mthembu said.

The ANC was also concerned about the public rebuke of Zuma by an ANC structure.

"This shows no respect for the leadership of the ANC. This matter could have been handled in a dignified manner as opposed to public false accusations.

"This tendency seems to be frequent when ANC-aligned structures, particularly the ANCYL, attack the leadership of the ANC in public.

"In the recent past we have noted gestures and comments that show little regard for the leadership. The tone of the ANCYL statement and the gestures underscore this lack of respect," Mthembu said.

Comments
  • Peter-Peter - 2012-03-16 15:46

    hahaha...

      Peter-Peter - 2012-03-16 15:46

      they are like a bunch of bickering children!

      Meryl - 2012-03-16 15:53

      At least the children can be sent to the grow good corner !

      Jacobus - 2012-03-16 15:53

      Dog eat dog... I absolutely love it. Malema is the best thing ever to happen to SA politics... and the best chance ever in tearing the ANC alliance...

      Bryan - 2012-03-16 16:18

      What a complete joke...

      sean.looney - 2012-03-16 17:22

      i shed a tear for all those great anc freedom fighters who paid with their freedom and lives to free blacks from unfair oppression only to see the fruits of their labor denigrate into this sloppy mess.

      Sganja - 2012-03-16 17:39

      "Dog eat dog... I absolutely love it. Malema is the best thing ever to happen to SA politics... and the best chance ever in tearing the ANC alliance..." shame poor Jacobus,do you believe what you have say?Anc win Anc lead My Anc my vision

      Gollum - 2012-03-16 20:58

      The ANC didn't seem to mind in the slightest when Malema directed his disrespect at leaders of other parties. Did they honestly think he respected them...nope he respected power, now he doesn't even seem to respect that. You reap what you sow ANC. The ANC didn't notice because the ANC only respects the ANC and money. As long as MAlema didn't threaten either of those there was no problem at all.

      rowen.loretz - 2012-03-16 21:42

      ancyl cronnies think they can appeal a million times, problem is they lost count after 1...they actually don't know how many times Juju has appealed. Let us teach them the new numerical system. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 will now be replaced by appeal appeal appeal appeal appeal appeal ....you get the gist of it

      rowen.loretz - 2012-03-16 21:43

      so appeal x appeal equals many appeals. Well done

  • sidney.gilroy - 2012-03-16 15:48

    Here is something for you to think about. The ANC is like an Aids-victim who denies the existance of the disease coursing through it`s veins. So it is inevitable it will die - eventually imploding from corruption, nepotism, greed and in-fighting. The DA is a remnant of white SA with many a black man not being able to decide wether they are wolves in sheep`s clothes or the real Mcoy as an alternative to their ANC. Let`s just say Helen Zille is removed as DA leader later this year. And her and her executive is replaced by progressive, BLACK leaders and the name changed to the African Democratic Alliance...would you vote for them ? Offcourse you would. Goodbye ANC. Hello multi-party state.

      Simnikiwe - 2012-03-16 15:55

      Lol I would vote for them. The reason Im not supporting them at the moment is because I think they dopn't understand what it actaully means to be black, they don't understand the lifestyle of blacks in townships. They read about poverty, unemployment, crime but they don't really know how it feels like to live under those conditions. How do you expect some one who has no clue about what you're feeling to help you. Im with ANC because they identify with the pain of blacks in Townships. They know what its like to be poor.

      Felix - 2012-03-16 16:04

      Lol Simnikiwe, do they shed a tear for you when they pass by on the highways in their SUV's?

      Andres - 2012-03-16 16:07

      "Im with ANC because they identify with the pain of blacks in Townships. They know what its like to be poor." Unfortunately, not anymore. They used to, but control of government has changed the empathy to hunger-for-power and bling. Stealing R30billion from the state coffers is stealing from service delivery, from education, from health care, from job-creation initiatives. Choose carefully and choose with your head and not your skin. Trust me, the brain is more clever than the hand. A clever electorate gets a clever government. An electorate who fails to vote intelligently and only votes emotionally, unfortunately, will get what they deserve.

      Simnikiwe - 2012-03-16 16:09

      Lol Felix of course not, but they know when they're passing with their SUVs the black kid on the side of the road is hungry and is thinking of hijacking those SUVs to buy food for his family, and they should do something to empower that kid and help him to be independent and break the cycle of poverty in his family.

      Pythagoras - 2012-03-16 16:10

      @ Simnikiwe - What you don't gasp is that your countries current government do not know how to run a country meaning that the blacks will stay in poverty and struggle. If the DA was in power, they could at least bring the country to it's feet and make it prosper. Meaning more RDP houses and infrastructure for the townships. Create more jobs etc... This will in turn alleviate the poverty you are talking about. Your arguments do not make sense. You'd rather vote for the ANC because they know what poverty is? I beg to differ! They are living a lavish lifestyle and robbing you guys clean!!!!

      lovenergy - 2012-03-16 16:13

      @simnikiwe, The ANC cadres haven't lived in townships for more than 18 years and judging by their waistlines poverty is not part of their vocabulary. They can never be unemployed because the ANC "never eat their own" *sarcasm* and believe me the only reason they know anything about crime is because they wrote the book. Dude they haven't lived as the average poor South African for close on 20 years and they don't give a damn about them. If they did every person in SA could have been better off all ready

      Simnikiwe - 2012-03-16 16:17

      Kenny, Pythogoras and lovenergy...three on one...not fair

      Rhyno - 2012-03-16 16:51

      @ Simnikiwe, well lets make it four on one.. Why the F$%K, does everything have to be done for you? Black people have ALL the opportunities to make something of themselves in this country. Most of you don't have to pay for your studies, you have preference when it comes to jobs...for crying out loud, the BIGGEST employer in the country, almost exclusively appoints black people, you have preference with tenders, your new businesses get financed by government....and yet, you still moan about the poor! Whose fault is it then?!

      Simnikiwe - 2012-03-16 16:57

      Eish you are right rhino. You guys need to stop mentioning facts when commenting on News24.

      Peter - 2012-03-16 18:27

      Thats very funny Simnikiwe. Very funny. The some of the highest paid politicians in the world if compared to the wealth of the country, and you believe they care about the poor. They care about self enrichment, nothing else.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-17 12:10

      Simnikiwe. Helen Zille knows what life is like in the townships, she had worked there for many years. You will be surprised at the amount of us who do know what life is like there, we don't all live in white castles.

  • Dewald - 2012-03-16 15:48

    Who is who in this zoo..?

      Irene - 2012-03-16 16:14

      Too true and who gives a flying fig what either one of the juniors or seniors have to say. Despicable pond scum .... all of them.

      Sganja - 2012-03-16 17:36

      Sganja is disgusted by Jackson Mthembu.

      Sganja - 2012-03-16 17:43

      And Dewald which Zoo are you talking about?Please leave Anc politics for us.Did you read that there are some members of DA who wants to take down Madam Zille?That's were you should comment...

      Jacqui - 2012-03-17 12:13

      Oh heavens Kolobe is telling us to leave again. I bet you he will be first in line when the United Nations have to come and feed the hungry masses. Grow up.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-17 12:15

      Sganja, the ANC zoo, the one that is getting bigger by the day. Madame Zille? My you are afraid of her aren't you?

  • Simnikiwe - 2012-03-16 15:48

    Respect is earned, if you don't respect youngsters how do you expect them to respect you.

      Thabo - 2012-03-16 15:58

      why do you start there? what about, if the youngsters don't respect the elders, why should the elders respect them?

      Simnikiwe - 2012-03-16 16:03

      @Thabo "inyathi ibuzwa kwaba phambili"...youngsters learn from elders, elders are supposed to teach us respect. If they are disrespectful themselves then how do you expect us to behave. They should lead by example.

      Richard - 2012-03-16 16:09

      Then the ANC must come down really hard on the AnCYL.. Would that be considered 'teaching' them? Oh and btw... People are responsible for their own actions and childish decisions.. To blame elders for not 'teaching' you you are passing the buck. People need to grow up and start taking ownership for their own actions.

      Rob - 2012-03-16 16:23

      Simnikiwe: I think that you are confusing two different issues here. Maybe you will not agre, but give this some thought... For the elders/parents/seniors etc it is not about respect, it is about deference. You give them a certain treatment because of the status that thay have in the family. Respect is different. That is something that a person has to earn by their deeds. It is typically applied to leaders, be they political or societal. An important difference here is that the deference given to elders is automatic and only rarely is taken away, whilst the respect given to leaders is entirely subject to the ongoing performance/behaviour of the leaders. If you apply this idea the Pope you may find that he fits both positions or you may just see him as an elder....then deference but not respect!

      Koos - 2012-03-16 16:33

      you dont ''teach'' respect...... you earn it!

      Shirley - 2012-03-16 16:53

      Youngsters should learn from their parents-which means the parents failed!

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-03-16 17:03

      Although the "youngsters" are known as the youth league, they are not children by age. They are "children" by their actions and their lack of reasoning on a longer term than "now". Their demands do not carry any hope for the progress of our country to improve the standard of living for all in our country. I can not think of one good suggestion made by them to the advantage of anyone but themselves. The nationalisation of mines, banks etc have proven not to work in other countries, why do they keep on hammering this idea? All the farms that I have seen that was made available to learner-farmers lacking financial backing have failed. The production of local produce has suffered and had to be replaced by imported produce at higher prices, jobs were lost and more crime resulted. Maybe the name of "youth league" should be changed to indicate to them they are not children and maybe then their behaviour will be more grown-up.

      Elize - 2012-03-16 17:25

      Simnikiwe we wre brought up with the bible saying "respect your mother and your father" problem in today's life is there are so many screwed up parents out there how can we respect them?? I still firmly believe that we learn from our parents and we lookup to them and respect them, but if we can't then what base do we have in life??

      Rob - 2012-03-16 18:03

      Elize: It cannot work if we continue to be dependent on our parents for leadership and examples of respect. Of course, children need guidance and example (and that typically involves hiding things from them), but once a person becomes an adult they have to rely on their own intellect to filter through life's experiences in order to establish and maintain an internal sense of what is appropriate (respect). Blaming parents....or society...or anyubody else is simply a cop-out. No doubt the collectivists will not agree.....but I say that it has to come down to the individual and therefore humanism.

  • Meryl - 2012-03-16 15:52

    Mmmm.... ANCYL Time of death 2012-03-16 @ 15h43 ??? The anc & ancyl are worse than Joost and Amor using the media to fight each other. Pathetic !

      Anthony - 2012-03-16 16:50

      too true merle --lol lol---the only difference is that joost and amore are smarter and more inteligent [believe it or not]

      Sheik - 2012-03-16 17:16

      Picturing Amor and the ANCYL is not a pretty thought.

  • Edward Serfontein - 2012-03-16 15:52

    South africa disgusted by ANC's "way of running the country"

      Colin - 2012-03-17 05:05

      way of "ruining" the country

  • Christopher - 2012-03-16 15:52

    Well its pretty much the lack of respect most South Africans have for the ANC. You sow what you reap...

  • Jenna - 2012-03-16 15:54

    JERRY! JERRY!

      Koos - 2012-03-16 16:33

      wwhhaaa ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

  • Shirley - 2012-03-16 15:54

    Anc created these monsters so now they must deal with them! Question is -Do they have the guts????

      Meryl - 2012-03-16 15:59

      No, unfortunately they don't. Now I understand why some animals eat their young ....

      Sheik - 2012-03-16 17:18

      At Meryl:- Not all animals eat junk food.

  • Bomb - 2012-03-16 15:58

    Who needs the circus if you have this reality show???? HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

  • Melusi Myaluza - 2012-03-16 15:59

    black on black violence, can only get better!

  • Louisa - 2012-03-16 16:03

    Jackson Mthembu, we are tired of your double standards. Our anger is really brewing with this type of dictorship and soon we will start revolting. By the way what happened to the 2 billion tender for Zuma's son in law. Did they processess it...anyone with the news???

      Shirley - 2012-03-16 16:10

      Probably got mixed up in malemas pile!

  • Blane - 2012-03-16 16:06

    Re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic?

  • JohncarlosBiza - 2012-03-16 16:10

    SA disgusted by both parties' lack of respect

  • Louisa - 2012-03-16 16:10

    Lack of respect...which lack of respect are you talking about...did the ANC show the kind of respect to Thabo Mbeki when they burnt T.shirt bearing its name and your beloved Zuma referring him as a dead snake. We are sick of your double standards Mthembu...very sick and don't play with our feelings pls.

  • Paul - 2012-03-16 16:11

    The YL is exactly that JUVENILE. The sad fact that this troop of fools are simply too arrogant to listen and learn. Next they will profess the Devil made them do it!!!

  • Dennis - 2012-03-16 16:12

    Dog eat dog !! I just love it !! Will the sheeple EVER GET IT ??

  • Stephen - 2012-03-16 16:13

    Hey ANC, what about respect from your side for the people you govern.Thats the fundamental principle of Democracy :"For the People,by the People" a principle you swine know very little about and convieniently ignore.

  • petrut - 2012-03-16 16:17

    This is a joke! We have much more issues to work on than these Idiots making a media circus! Who cares! Fire the lot of the ANC old and youth! We as the people don't care! We should implement a new goverment! One that works for us the people and without any corruption!

      Sthandwa.Sharlom1 - 2012-03-16 23:25

      AND WHICH GOVERNMENT WOULD THAT BE

  • Trevor Kahn - 2012-03-16 16:18

    You know what I wish for: a South Africa that works fairly for everyone. Punishment where it is due and enough of this race, colour crap that goes on in the comments section. When do we get to see a real true rainbow nation? If we all concentrate on education it will result in better economy for EVEYONE! really really tired of seeing racial replies on this site. Julius Malema was trying to insite racial tensions by using the economic situation. What he said about Botswana was wrong no matter who you are. You should be taken to task.

  • Ken - 2012-03-16 16:18

    What a joke. JZ expels JM only to be followed later this year by JM expelling JZ

  • charmaine.mcdonald2 - 2012-03-16 16:18

    Malema , Malema, O Lord God Almighty, when will this name disappear forever? Respect is earned, The President is the President, and he is trying his best to please everybody. His past is the past, what matters today, is what He intends to do about the crime rate in our country, If he was a "White" man, then the "Whities" will still have much to moan about today. Let us "Black people" not forget our history of the past "White Rulers". Did they respect us us Human Beings?

      Colin - 2012-03-17 05:13

      It is exactly this refusal to look toward the future instead of the past that is keeping SA hostage. Keep on scratching old wounds and keep SA down.

  • Facts - 2012-03-16 16:20

    The only people that have respect for Zuma are the murderers and rapists because he won’t hang them and they are free votes.

  • Koos - 2012-03-16 16:25

    this cookie is busy crumbling faster than expected!!

  • Pulverturm - 2012-03-16 16:26

    LOL, so turns out that Julius isn't a rough diamond after all... just a cheap ugly cubic zirconia with lots of flaws!

      Shirley - 2012-03-16 16:39

      And mined from a one of Mandelas grandsons mines!

  • Roger - 2012-03-16 16:28

    This seems to be a very good example of Mark Twain’s summary on fools, which was something along the lines of “Appreciate them, as it makes it easier for us to succeed”. Albeit I’m not if he was considering such a large gathering of fools positioned in key places.

  • Sthe Lwami Luthuli - 2012-03-16 16:31

    Why this statement is published right after the comments on twitter and other social network, is it the PR stunt to clear Zuma of what he said??? Leave you to wonder the if the Values of ANC are being compromised by individuals agenda to be at the top of ANC.

  • Gees - 2012-03-16 16:32

    tendencies, I want a Rand every time this word is used, screw the lotto

  • Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-03-16 16:37

    pple say ZUMA son's benefit from goverment deals but those son's went to school and studied in that field,its thier career line,they know what is a inflation,interest rate not like malema who knows nothing.

      Anthony - 2012-03-16 16:56

      lol lol omf help me im dying laughing

      Francois - 2012-03-16 17:30

      Anthony, you must understand a bit of what Eric is saying. Can you translate it to English for us? What is a "thier", is it the same thing a a "pier", but only for fresh water? Can a son multiply on its own? "Those son's" - is it the cloning of a son and we don't know about this breakthrough in medicine? I think we also don't understand that inflation and interest may not necessarily relate to economics, but it may be relating to the stomachs and the girls? I am lost. Please help!

      Francois - 2012-03-16 17:31

      Maybe "thier" was a spelling mistake - maybe it was meant to be "thief"?

      Shirley - 2012-03-16 17:32

      Anthony: Im right behind you...Ive actually got cramp! This is hilarious!

      Francois - 2012-03-16 17:52

      Eric, we are not laughing at you, please don't feel ashamed or humiliated. Please tell us did you get free OBE? If that is the case, can you ask our tax money back? Also full marks for speaking out on a public forum!

  • Roy - 2012-03-16 16:47

    And this lot runs the country and the "future" leaders are in the ranks of the ANCYL?? This country, while these buffoons carry on fighting one another,has become another African banana republic.

  • brainbowgold - 2012-03-16 16:49

    Is the ANC and the ANCYL not part of the same organisation? Is the fact that they are communicating publicly via the media not a sign that there is a lack of leadership in the the organisation?

      Shirley - 2012-03-16 17:03

      You think?

  • Helmut - 2012-03-16 16:54

    Funny lot. Jackson Mthembu himself defended Malema not too long ago when he sang "shoot the boer" during a telephone interview! In his defense I must say that he was found to be under the influence at the time! Maybe he should also be expelled! Our president expects all ANC members to abide by the ANC constitution, but government wants to change the constitution the constitution of the country!

  • Patty - 2012-03-16 17:03

    The ANCYL have repeatedly proved that they respect no-one. They are a bunch of ANC delinquents.

  • Sheik - 2012-03-16 17:06

    The ANC should lead by example, JZ used muppet mouth for his own agenda, leaving JM to think he had JZ's blessing to continue.

  • braamc - 2012-03-16 17:19

    They all getting so f(*&89en tired

  • George - 2012-03-16 17:29

    Could it be the youth of today lack suitable role models. Look at the lying, stealing, killing, abuse of public intelligence and you may see why the youth feel alone. Because they are. The youth must remember, you do not need a school to learn, you do not need a job to earn money (you are NEVER unemployed, you either work for yourself or someone else). It is time for the younger generation to live honorably, protect the vulnerable against violence, support those that care for them (Vavi at the moment), become educated and insist on a manual vote count at Mongaung so the present corrupt flock of elders can be sent packing back to where they came from....It is a pity that Malema was all too human and reckless with his emotions and possibly ethics. Great potential gone to waste. There must be a young Gandhi somewhere...

  • Mbulelo - 2012-03-16 17:29

    Malema my hero , economoc freedom in our life time not yet uhuru

      craig.thom1 - 2012-03-16 17:39

      economic back to the book's ?

      John - 2012-03-16 17:40

      Careful what you wish for - you might be unpleasantly surprised ...make the connection

      Johann Enslin - 2012-03-16 17:54

      Mbulelo, if it comes...my name is in full print, you come look me up. A blade has two edges. Please do not mistake decency for weakness.

      Nigel - 2012-03-16 18:13

      BAAAAAAAAA, Stupid INDLOVU !!!!!!!

      Mbulelo - 2012-03-16 20:14

      lol malama phobia , he is harmless cool down people , but after his apeal he will be back be warned

      Colin - 2012-03-17 05:19

      How on earth ?

  • craig.thom1 - 2012-03-16 17:33

    They created the monster,kleenex on it's way

  • John - 2012-03-16 17:39

    Great stuff - You created the ANCYL. Deal with it............

      Nigel - 2012-03-16 18:12

      no Zuma (& our esteemed minister of sport) created Malema, fools

  • mntkhaya.tony - 2012-03-16 17:44

    I also think that the President didn't take enough time to think about the question relating to disciplinary process. In fact I thought as much that the statement made by the President was ambiguous if in fact, didn't seek to suggest that whatever processes that are still to take place, but the position is as is, LET HIM GO!

  • roger.pacey - 2012-03-16 17:47

    The youth league gets unruly when the party leadership is weak. It's happened before in the party's history but the stakes are higher now because the party is in power. I don't think the party's upper echelons have enough time to correct weak leadership before the policy conference at the end of the year and, even without Mr Malema, the youth league could cause quite an upset

  • mntkhaya.tony - 2012-03-16 17:47

    I thought as much that the statement made by the President was a bit ambiguous if it didn't, in fact mean to say that he is being released already, that the appeal process is just a matter of procedure.

  • Tony - 2012-03-16 17:50

    Even the ANC are disgusted with the ANC. I a convinced that the "comrades" or "cadres" or whatever they call themselves, vote this clowns in for entertainment value?

  • sakhikhaya.dlala - 2012-03-16 17:52

    the awkward moment when you realise that your comment has just been deleted

  • Nigel - 2012-03-16 18:08

    Im disgusted at both!!!!

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-03-16 18:12

    The one thing...and only thing i like about this anc...is that there is never a dull moment with these baffoon's xD there is always someone having a waffie or someone getting caught!! its better than tv!!

  • SARealist - 2012-03-16 18:12

    Shame can't the ancyl understand that if found guilty on these charges then the previous case with its guilty verdict & suspended sentence automatically kicks in? Thus the writing is on the wall - look for another ancyl head. Or have I lost the plot???? Help me understand?

  • Daan - 2012-03-16 18:18

    Kry vir julle!!

  • Peter - 2012-03-16 18:23

    Then again, the supporters of the ANC have no respect for much. Just look at all the litter on the sides of the roads, and they say this is "their" country. Great way to treat what is yours. Its fun watching them fight amongst themselves, though not that great when they're meant to be running the country. A sad joke the ANC has turned out to be.

      Colin - 2012-03-17 05:23

      ANC is 'n walglike komedie

  • Rabede - 2012-03-16 18:27

    IF the father of the house is is a alcholic and abusive to his family(Black nation). It reality that his Son is to fight him, the leadership in the ANC have sold the soul of black youth for blue light. It is thus right that youth fix the cracks in the wall at home. The very same big business and international policy that has cheated the youth of this country will still exist Even if DA where to rule. So dont think think that the Tea lady is the Answer. The enemy is one Big cooperation, because those people have build war in africa jst profit. this is no different in south africa.

      Colin - 2012-03-17 05:25

      And what makes you think that the uneducated ANCYL have the answer ?

      Peter - 2012-03-17 10:14

      But Radebe, the ANCYL clearly and openly supports the "blue light" syndrome. The ANCYL leadership worships bling and corruption, they are so open about this - why are you unable to see it? The enemy is yourself who refuses to acceot that your glorious ANC ans its affiliates are responsible for the current misery in this country. Or are you perhaps deaf and blind? Your idols have done nothing to earn anyones respect.