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ANC expels only the worst - Motlanthe

2011-11-08 22:39

Cape Town - The ANC traditionally expels only members the party believes to be beyond rehabilitation, Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe said on Tuesday.

"The approach of the ANC is that it abandons only the most incorrigible," he told parliament's Press Gallery Association.

"It has the confidence that it can correct its members. Even in the ANC the philosophy is that people always can be corrected by undermining their weak points and supporting their strong points," he said.

"Once it washes its hands of you, it expels you but it only comes to that when, it if it puts a rock in this pot and cooks it and you in this pot, the rock becomes ripe and ready to eat before you do. Then it expels you."

Motlanthe was speaking as the disciplinary hearing against ANC Youth League president Julius Malema nears its end.

The party's national disciplinary committee is expected to rule on charges that he contravened the ANC's constitution later this week or early next week.

Comments
  • Thandiwe - 2011-11-08 22:48

    So he will be let off - I will never vote ANC again whilst there are people within talking up economically stupid policies and dividing the country with racist rhetoric. And I used to be a member

      frangelico - 2011-11-08 23:13

      Thandiwe what a breath of fresh air.I do believe fat mama-lema must go. If Motlanthe only expels those who are beyond rehabilitation then surely that means the whole of the present government,from Zuma to the tea lady.

      Vusi - 2011-11-08 23:16

      http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-The-ANC-from-bankrupting-South-Africa/155894351175297

      craigtjames - 2011-11-08 23:18

      Vusi,what is the detail of the fb page? I missed out a couple of days - did not take your advice to lay of, but was ill in bed:-(

      leko.dada1 - 2011-11-08 23:24

      People who never voted for ANC reason like you Thandiwe...I am sick n tired of such people,unable to come with sound alternative policies except propheting lies.With or without yo vote ANC will always lead.

      John - 2011-11-08 23:26

      A N C = Abortion Murder Genocide

      Gaanake - 2011-11-08 23:27

      Here we go, I knew it! Thandiwe you're not alone - used to be one as well.

      Vusi - 2011-11-08 23:28

      @Craig. Craig I posted the link just above. @Thandiwe. Stand your ground Thandiwe. You don't need to be one of the SHEEP that can't think for themselves!!!!!!!

      frangelico - 2011-11-08 23:29

      Thandiwe,I salute the fact that you realise what a miserable lot we call our government,R100 million on a centenial party, what about those orphans,widows grandparents who struggle to make ends meet,I think the ANC would be better respected if they used that money to uplift their own people.Pre 94 the whites were accused of not uplifting the black nation.They now have the power,Ramaphosa,Sexwale,Kunene instead of wasting money the way you do why not try & help your own kind.To me Mr.Sexwale is the biggest hypocrite to come out of post 94 I hope his white wife still agrees with his hypocracy,but why would she,he bread is butterded on both sides.

      Vusi - 2011-11-08 23:34

      Well said Frangelico.

      Thandiwe - 2011-11-09 00:00

      @Leko. I am only 27 - and voted DA for the first time in May in opposition to Youth League economic policies that would destroy small businesses like the one I created

      Zenzele - 2011-11-09 00:05

      well said my sister, though I live in England, everytime when there is an election I come home to vote ANC, once they let off this twisted , uneducated thug called malema, I will never vote for them. And I will make sure I convince other South Africans here abroad to do so. This has been a waste of time following this issue.They expect us to come back home with our skills to face such people bringing the country down, its a shame!!

      Thandiwe - 2011-11-09 00:07

      @Leko. Let us grow economically - the ANC needs to help the country do business - no need for any of this nationalisation. Let us add to what is already in the economy, not tear down what makes money and rebuild it badly - Malema is manipulating you and getting rich! I am an economically free black woman. I am under 30, hvave set up a successful small manufacturing business, I have a small-holding and a few shares in JSE companies. Don't let Malema degrade you by telling you you cannot achieve what you want to economically - we are free to participate and succeed - start your small business today. He wants to get richer -that is all he is interested in - if he wanted to help the poor he would talk about education and support job creating, investment boosting, confidence boosting economic policies! Join us and oppose this demagogue! I am not saying vote DA - there are other parties as well as the option of cleaning up the ANC by shipping out these anti-growth, anti-Mandela, anti-cohesion elements within the alliance.

      craigtjames - 2011-11-09 00:37

      Leko. Look at what the ANC has been getting up to over the past couple of years. I hope they keep all that has been happening away from Madiba, as he, in all his dignity, does not deserve to being exposes to the atrocities of the party which stood for principles which he gave 27 years of his life up for. The government, over the last couple of years, have spent in excess of 25 billion rand (which we know of) on questionable ventures. Do you trust them with your money and your future. Because it is your money, and every single person in this country's money they are squandering. How many schools could have been build, how many houses could have been build, how many jobs could have been created. How can one justify voting for a party like that. Do not knock the likes of Thandiwe - she is a job-creater - single handedly she has established something which in return is feeding at least 5 households. And more African people are becoming like-minded. In stead of saying we deserve, we demand, we expect, we are entitled, they say no - we owe this country something - let us create jobs, lets us contribute to the economic well being of the country. So please, get your head out your butt and praise her, do not knock her!!!

      Marion - 2011-11-09 01:19

      @Thandiwe... Good for you!!! This is Kgalema Motlanthe laying the foundation for the press release that will tell the country that Mighty Mouth is not beyond rehabilitation (the word 'rehabilitation' makes me think of criminals or alcoholics or drug addicts or paedophiles - and we know how few of them are rehabilitated!) Enough said!!

      Marion - 2011-11-09 01:47

      @leko.dada1... what you don't realise is that there are more and more 'Thandiwe's' out there and if every single one of them takes their vote elsewhere then it will be curtains for the ANC... which will be a pity seeing it has lasted a century already. But that is how democracy works. Vote out the weakest.

      Dave - 2011-11-09 05:58

      Juju said that the ANCYL would back Motlanthe for JZ's job, so I guess its time to pay the piper and get the position. Wouldn't you do the same in Motlanthe's position ?. For sale to the highest bidder.

      Dirk - 2011-11-09 06:09

      The impression I get as an outsider, is that they only expel those who refuses to join the orgy of theft and plunder

      Walter - 2011-11-09 06:40

      Lego, I think you're a little bit naive and portray many of the ignorant people who cannot think for themselves and are "locked" into a thought that the ANC will govern forever. Thandiwe, Vusi and many other people who obviously used to be ANC stalwarts, have come to realise the unfortunate truth that most of the current band of MPs and the likes of the "aspirant" Malema are in there for what they can personally get out and really have little consideration for good government, honesty and integrity.

      Dirk - 2011-11-09 06:54

      The real opposition, eventually, will come from those within the ANC, whose eyes have opened to realities, sadly as in the case with Zim, too late. Its also reason why the DA will remain as an "ineffectual caretaker"opposition- no more, trying to be everything to everybody. When that scenario does take place, the regime will start playing the race card more blatantly to present themselves as the true champions of the poor and mostly uneducated masses, with exaggerated , impossible to meet promises.Not a pleasant prospect, but an African reality.

      Herman - 2011-11-09 07:10

      The rotting anc shows their worth once again.........

      Mike - 2011-11-09 07:22

      He is a fat F??k with no brains and if you saw him on SABC3 on tuesday he cannot even speak properly.He is only there to mingle with the elite and to sponge of them. He could never ever get a normal job so what does the fat f??k do is to try to mingle with the elite, trying his best to be the champion of the poor, so to get one foot into the door of the ANC.

      Mike - 2011-11-09 08:04

      Looks like the purple pimpernel is going to walk!

      pcrous - 2011-11-09 08:08

      Do you know what the DP said. Malema will go free!! What a disgrace after all the sh888 he stirred.

      Barry - 2011-11-09 08:24

      Why is everyone here so surprised ? Juju is destined for bigger things. Bigger than all us actually think. REALITY. Of course I am not thrilled. Still I have to call it as I see it.

      Merven - 2011-11-09 08:28

      The sad thing is, that people like Thandiwe and Vusi don't get involve in politics because they are trying too hard to get somewhere legally in SA. If you are too dumb, greedy, lazy or corrupt to do something worthwhile, you become an ANC politician.

      Jerhone - 2011-11-09 08:52

      this was to be expected all along FATBOY has them all by the pubic hairs, he just has to twist and they will scream, he either has dirt on them or they are afraid he will walk with his thousands of zombies, which will weaken their party come election time, this is what the old goatfaced windbag Motlanthe is trying to say, it's the same as the inquiry into the arms deal, this will be drawn out until after the elections so it does not effect the elections, after elections it will be thrown out by his kingpin judge he has in place in the concourt. Everything this CANCER of a party does has an alterior motive

      Paul - 2011-11-09 09:13

      I wonder what is your definition of stupid?

      jonathancfarrell - 2011-11-09 09:32

      Every year there are 1000s of graduates who could better fill these positions, if you f*ck up you need to be dismissed, what is up with this rehab bull? How will they ever learn? They need to udnerstand if they f*ck up they f*ck out! Start given the youth, the educated youth, whatever colour an opportunity to work for the government and get rid of all that old corrupt sh*t!!

      Sidima - 2011-11-09 09:38

      fully agree. i'm joining Vusi's group. We need a strong opposition. lets give our votes to DA&Cope. perhaps they can form a true opposition and we'll star to see proper change in RSA politics. These comrades and cadres are still stuck on liberation mode (and wealth accumulation). We need people to take us forward into the 21 century.

      Aisha - 2011-11-09 09:47

      Maladministration found in Midvaal At Thandiwe I am sure you read this article, if not here it is but in part. Note a rate payer is a black man and the vendor is a white Person. Keep on voting for a white person, you will lose everything that you are bragging about now. Johannesburg - Public Protector Thuli Madonsela has found the DA-controlled Midvaal council guilty of maladministration and improper conduct. According to Madonsela, a house in Henley-on-Klip that belonged to a ratepayer, who was R5 000 in arrears, was later sold by DA leader Andre Odendaal, the municipality’s debt collector and lawyer, for R180 000 - this, after a company he owned had bought it for R10 000. Madonsela said it was unfair that the municipality pursued the debt owed by the Henley-on-Klip property owner while it wrote off a debt of R869 261 owed to it by a pre-paid electricity vendor contracted to the council. "The municipality gave the vendor favourable treatment despite owing a huge sum of money yet the ratepayer owed the council only R5 000," said Madonsela.

      NrGx - 2011-11-09 09:49

      @phangolicious - I think you are the one with the narrow mind, still preaching what the ANC tells you and not thinking for yourself. You scream that the DA is "racist, blah blah", but why dont YOU read what you wrote from another mans shoes and tell me who really is the racist here. YOU!!! R30 billion "lost" to the pockets of the Anc and you are ok with this? racism blinds you my friend, or perhaps you wont see me as a friend because im white. Thandi and Vusi have the vision that is needed in this country and I solute them regardless of pigmentation, you should do the same. Sa is run by mobsters and if anybody says that openly, makes them a racist???? Come on bud, open your eyes...none are so blind than those who do not want to see!

      Hugh - 2011-11-09 09:55

      @phangolicious - Why is it that in your small mind that you think being anti ANC makes anyone resist or wants to prevent the poor from excelling? Your little brain, filled with BS Black white politics has infested your judgment. In '95, 68% of whites voted for the ANC to take power, now where are they? all gone to the DA and other parties. Due to what your too dumb to see is that we want economic freedom for ALL, something the ANC has kept from the majority and kept for themselves, bamboozling the small minded into believing its the whites fault. You dig your own grave. I hate the ANC, not because they are a black party but because they have and are in the process of destroying this country. When they go down, I will dance on their grave and spit on their memory.

      Spyker - 2011-11-09 11:32

      Aisha Kekana.., I guess it was only a matter of time before another clueless ANCYL/NYDA parasite would present this ‘Midvaal’ RED HERRING. The entire Midvaal issue pales in significance compared to what the ANC does on a DAILY BASIS..! For a start – the Midvaal case was presented to the Public Protector, by AFRIFORUM, certainly NOT by the criminally corrupt fascist ANC regime. But I guess that is exactly what is needed in a PARASITE ECONOMY. The corrupt not exposing the corrupt. An economy that is wholly incapable of supporting itself. In fact Malema said it himself (in one of his obligatory incoherent inane moments): “The ANC has not created one city”. For you see my feckless foe, even an uneducated retard like Malema has already figured out how stupid the people are that support him- and his ANC. I am keenly observing (and naturally) supporting Vusi. We should also consider a drive for a Unilateral Declaration of Independence of the Western Cape (other provinces may follow). This will allow the rest SA to be destroyed by the ANC – the quicker, the better. Then bona fide intelligent-, hard-working-, creative SAcans – who censure every aspect of a PARASITE ECONOMY – can claim SA. The WAR FOR THE INTELLECTUAL LIBERATION OF SOUTH AFRICA has started. W_I_N__L_I_S_A --- _W_ar for the _IN_tellectual _LI_beration of _SA_ “Lisa” will become a symbolic figure for the Intellectual Emancipation of SA. LET THE ‘SAcan SUMMER’ START...!!!

      Spyker - 2011-11-09 11:56

      ... MOODY'S CHANGES SA OUTLOOK TO NEGATIVE http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Moodys-changes-SA-outlook-to-negative-20111109 Read the above article and see how the post-Polokwane ‘07 fascist ANC policies are taking SA to the edge of an economic abyss. The ANC WILL destroy SA, it is no longer a debate, the only variable is “WHEN”..? Eg: - Wal-Mart has contingency plans in place for SA to be in full civil war by 2015 (apparently based on a high-level “scenario” investigation involving the CIA). - In anticipation of the same scenario, the venue for the new Bond movie was hastily changed, away from Cape Town (based on the same high-level “scenario” investigation). - Now Moody’s is already sending a veiled message to investors. IF YOU WANT A FUTURE FOR YOUR CHILDREN- AND THEIRS – WE HAVE TO RISE UP AND OBLITERATE THE ANC, IN ITS ENTIRETY, AT ALL- AND EVERY COST...

      cupcake - 2011-11-09 12:26

      you voted for them before!? well well well...

      Monique - 2011-11-09 13:05

      @ampike...YOU, referring to the bible in that context and your fellow human beings resemble the Anti-Christ!

      Spyker - 2011-11-09 13:47

      @ammpike.., “...a bunch of bitter frustrated whites that have access to the internet...” As opposed to ‘...a bunch of bitter frustrated BLACKS that have access to the internet...’ – such as you and phangolicious... The only relevant FACT is that the Fascist Black Nationalist Regime CANNOT govern a country – this is the ONLY “bitter pill” to be served. This bitter pill is most relevant to the ANC parasite beneficiaries (most pertinently the ANCYL parasiting off NYDA and IDC funding) – specifically those who regard a mental retard who could not even pass Woodwork in a heavily adjusted matric as a “leader”... Moody’s is one of the most liberal rating agencies – they have always given SA the ‘benefit of the doubt’. Kindly read their reasons for putting SA on a negative economic watch – IT IS ALL ABOUT THE ANC’s GROSS ECONOMIC FAILURES.., http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Moodys-changes-SA-outlook-to-negative-20111109 http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Moodys-puts-SA-rating-on-negative-watch-20111109 Here is another “bitter pill” by way of an inconvenient truth.., However little you can stomach it, after the National Party came to power in 1948, it had by around 1965 build SA’s economy to be one of the strongest IN THE WORLD, as opposed to the ANC who had in the same period taken SA to the verge of economic collapse...

      lynch - 2011-11-09 13:53

      we don't need your membership and your vote. go vote FFplus or something.

      JazzyBlues - 2011-11-09 14:33

      Thandiwe, Your attitude is so refreshing, I always read yr posts. You are a intellegent young woman with a bright future. I wish you all the best.

      Sealebareki - 2011-11-09 16:27

      WE DONT BEG FOR YOUR VOTE

      Bozzy - 2011-11-09 17:11

      i don't agree with u Thandiwe,u must read the freedom charter Malema is right

      Honest - 2011-11-10 09:15

      Being black is no guarantee your vote goes to the ANC , whatever decison the ANC takes must fit the long term plans and strategy of the ANC and Not people that might be ANC or Not depending on whether julius is expelled. That can not be the price for votes of any individual , the party cannot pay that price . You have to join the ANC or any other party for that matter because you subscribe fully and support it`s policies and if you ridicule it`s policies you need to find yourself a party that speaks to your aspirations . That is one of the freedoms we fought for , Freedom of association .I do not support the things Julius sometimes says ecpecially when he speaks in contrast to nonracialism , I am less concerned about his pronouncements on Botswana but seriously differ with statements that polarise the nation , we lost loved ones during the struggle for liberation , some missed an opportunity to get education as they were forced by the evil system to join the liberation armies to free the black majority and bring about nonracialism in this country , that is a huge price to pay hence racial harmony must be protected by all , Inside and Outside the ANC .I will not speculate on the outcome later this morning at Luthuli House but I trust that the NDC will rule in favour of both the consitution of the ANC and most importantly , that of thee country South Africa.

  • erasmuskm - 2011-11-08 22:49

    Is this just the ANC implying or giving early notice that JL will again just be slapped on the wrist.

      Right - 2011-11-09 06:00

      @Kgalema....its obvious you would even make a pact with the Devil to become President. Every statement you make is towards appeasing the ANCYL....now you are trying to influence the decision of the Disciplinary Committee. Sorry....but they will not be influenced by you and they will do things by the book. They are aware of your machinations. Let them do their work without fear or favour and Malema will have a chance to appeal to the Appeals Committee made of people such as Jessie Duarte, Trevor Manuel, Cyril Ramaphosa and Bridgitte Mabandla who all have an axe to grind with this idiot. The Disciplinary Committee of the ANC will act against Malema as none of his supporters are on the Committee. Kaglema....I sincerely hope you and Sexwale do not become President and Vice-President respectively as your'll are like harlots that are sleeping with wolves in order to make your'lls Presidential ambitions a reality. I sincerely hope your'll get the thumbs down for both of your machinations in Manguang next year

      Lyndatjie - 2011-11-09 07:24

      I agree - this is to test the public's reaction before the result is given. How pathetic.

      Herman - 2011-11-09 07:32

      He won't even get a slap on the wrist, more like a pat on the back.......we are so screwed....

  • Adam - 2011-11-08 22:49

    Just as I thought !! Motlanthe is just getting us ready to understand why NOTHING will be done against the Fat man of the yl. So typical... -or- am I wrong? In my opinion Fat man is beyond repair... expell him !!

      Craig - 2011-11-08 22:53

      ... just a slap on the hand I am afraid.

      Mark - 2011-11-09 06:50

      @craig - more likely a pat on the nappy.

      Ian - 2011-11-09 07:06

      you mean the breitling or is it the rolex today, pigs

      Squeegee - 2011-11-09 07:23

      Remember - the ANCYL wants Motlanthe to replace Zuma - so guess where Motlanthe's sympathies lie? He is a Malema supporter.

  • Louise - 2011-11-08 22:52

    How many times must j say sorry? Obviously if a person is really sorry they dont do it again.........he does it again and again and again he is beyond repair, surely the ANC have a more credible member to have as leader - Im really confused and dissapointed.

  • Chrono - 2011-11-08 22:56

    Ok that means Malema is a goner.

      craigtjames - 2011-11-08 23:42

      No Chrono, it should really mean that he is a gonner - considering everything they say is what he is, but I do not believe they see it like that. I think Tokyo has paid a loooooot of money to ensure he is not a gonner. Hell, wonder when they are going to pay for a jet for Malema - he is after all the President in making. Guys, everybody who ever felt it pointless to vote, must get of their arses (excuse the French) and vote this coming election. Every single vote counts!!! PLEASE!!! Ohhhh - and Vusi, this is Christelle -LOL

      Kate - 2011-11-09 06:02

      Lol Chrono, we all know that Malema can be rehabilitated. After all he has done nothing wrong. I never see his name in the media, do you?

      craigtjames - 2011-11-09 07:42

      Kate, I think they must forget about the rehab - maybe they should try 1stly too teach him to speak proper English, then just educate him and general (they can leave woodwork out if they want - somebody else can build his coffin, he does not need to to that himself)Then send him back to the public and see how much s#$t he causes with his newly found and improved vocabulary - then he might be able to insult people on a very high level:-)

      Albert - 2011-11-09 08:18

      A jet for Malemmer?I don`t think so.Too scared There are to many Lybia Shoulder Firing missile launchers missing

      Chrono - 2011-11-09 09:56

      Ok, that was tongue in cheek of course. @Kate, yeah, tongue in cheek as well. Rehabilitate that one! Rehabilitate is too long a word in any case. He has done nothing wrong indeed. He is just a kid and kids test boundaries and that's how they learn. Some kids learn fast and others, well, they take their time.

  • Dewdawn - 2011-11-08 23:01

    Okay here's the pre-amble to more smoke and mirrors kop smokkeling that will come from Luthuli House this week:-(

  • Drazil - 2011-11-08 23:13

    A preemptive warning that Malema is will not be punished to severely. Just enough to ensure he does not get upset and leave.

  • nozukol - 2011-11-08 23:13

    This guy sounds as if he does not know ANC traditions. If ANC want to be voted by struggling youth they must not expel him, then they will smell the cofee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Richard - 2011-11-09 02:48

      the 'youth' are all post democracy...where are their degrees and true insight...?

  • John - 2011-11-08 23:17

    The ANC is a gang for all evil doers.

      Peter - 2011-11-09 12:58

      That is putting it lightly, they are a law to themselves, it started at the top years ago when mandela promised the masses all houses within 5 years , as usual nothing happened, where is the billions in the mandela childrens fund probably in winnies bank account

  • rlong1952 - 2011-11-08 23:31

    Well, just a pre-warning that JM will have nothing done to him as usual. Just another sign that the ANC is happy with him and using him to sow racial division. Part of their long term master plan to get rid of all whites in SA.

      Ian - 2011-11-09 02:31

      Sounds just like Ernst Rohm and his brown shirt thugs in Nazi Germany early 30,s and sadly Europe's Jews never saw it coming

  • Ben - 2011-11-08 23:38

    'Abandon only the most incorrigible' lest you have no party members left. Smacks of desperation and a pre-emptive cover up strategy. Fools and petty thieves, the lot.

  • jesomerville - 2011-11-08 23:43

    So I guess malema gets off as expected - what a joke this hearing is and what a joke SA has become

  • Phil.Kleynhans - 2011-11-09 00:13

    If they really expels the worst, it will means there will nearly nobody left in the ANC.

      Phil.Kleynhans - 2011-11-09 00:20

      By the way I think Malema is going to expel them

  • Smell - 2011-11-09 00:21

    It seems irrelevant what the ANC sanctions Malema with now. They used him for years expressing their true sentiments, while pretending to be rational and progressive. As a result, he has now taken on a life of his own, and as an individual can perhaps challenge the ANC for voter support. P!ss poor leadeship on all fronts with his despotship licking his chops in anticipation of the powergrab beckoning.

  • Blip - 2011-11-09 00:21

    So, they won't be giving Malema the flick. They'll wait until he actually shoots some boers first. And then weasel out of disciplining him by "understanding" his post-colonial anger...

  • Maxodin - 2011-11-09 00:49

    Uhm I would like to point something out to everyone. "the right honourable" (scarcasm) Kgalema Motlanthe is a julius malema supporter. The speech wherein julius so nicely said "they think that if there is an uprising it will be at the union buildings, ha ah! we will go through Sandton" Mr Motlanthe was sitting right there. Straight faced, no shock and awe just a serious straight face. Oh and lets not forget sis Winnie, sitting there with that smug grin on her face occasionally breaking out into an excited giggle. I don't remember who said it but it went something like,: "we approve every statement realeased by a member of the ANC, even if it is an opinion".........

  • Andrew - 2011-11-09 01:31

    They must adopt a policy like this as there would be no one left otherwise! Happily some are seeing it for what it is.

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      Marion - 2011-11-09 01:42

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      Marion - 2011-11-09 01:44

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  • Richard - 2011-11-09 02:44

    The founders and ‘freedom fighters’ of the ANC will always be the most educated, intelligent and insightful bunch the ANC have ever put forward, they must be turning in their graves!!!

      Richard - 2011-11-09 02:46

      Gluttony is a sin! Lets never forget that....

  • Jacob - 2011-11-09 03:41

    Typical! Curruption to the core....

  • johnwilliam.roberts - 2011-11-09 04:21

    THEN YOU SHOULD EXPEL ALL OF YOURSELFS YOU ARE A CORRUPT MONEY WASTING LOT OF SCAVENGERS !! WHY NOT SPENT THE R100 MILLION ON THE POOR BLACK AND WHITE PEOPLE AND HOUSE THEM OR FEED THEM OR BUILD SHELTERS INSTEAD OF POURING GALLONS OF JOHNNY WALKER DOWN YOUR ROTTEN THROATS ? YOU MAKE ALL DECENT SOUTH AFRICANS SICK WATCH OUT I SEE A LIBIYA COMEING. VUSI FOR PRESIDENT

  • pieteroli4 - 2011-11-09 05:51

    Can someone please explain this to me: "Once it washes its hands of you, it expels you but it only comes to that when, it if it puts a rock in this pot and cooks it and you in this pot, the rock becomes ripe and ready to eat before you do. Then it expels you."

      pieteroli4 - 2011-11-09 05:55

      Doh, I get it now. A rock is smarter than Juju

  • Romy - 2011-11-09 06:05

    JM doesn't look like a men who wants to be rehabilitated.

  • Mark - 2011-11-09 06:10

    Here we go again! Motlanthe is so obviously just chasing the ANCYL vote. He too is greedy for power and wealth but clearly lacks integrity. Motlanthe will be ANCYL hero for a while, but mark my words it won't last long.

  • strandloop - 2011-11-09 06:27

    and although it is clear malema is incorrigible, the anc will give him slack. useless process, useless ANC government that wants to put the country on a road to zim. ANC only wants to protect its corrupt pockets, not the people or the interests of the country.

  • Ian - 2011-11-09 06:31

    only members who are beyond rehabilitation he says, well if that the case then the entire anc needs to be dissolved, you are all nothing but a bunch of corrupt, thieving, criminal loving alcoholics, the entic anc belongs in the hague to face crimes against humanity, you dont give a rats ass about your voters or your tax payers, spend spend spend is all you pigs know. You make me sick. R100 M for a party and dont BS us about donations, its all tax payers money, every single cent.

  • Ian - 2011-11-09 06:34

    @Vusi I joined your page and am all for what the plans are, I cant stand them anymore, R100 Million for a party but there voters starve and its too dangerous to walk in our streets, disgusting

      Antoinette - 2011-11-09 10:19

      I totally agree with you - how about having some one do some maths and calculate what the goverment coud have done with all the "known" money that has been wasted?? then do a article on it and post it in ALL the newspapers especially the ones that the masses read.

  • raymond.kok3 - 2011-11-09 06:39

    ammpike its people like you who fan the fire because you are blind to what the corruptors is doing to you and the future of SA. i drove trough the eastern cape in dec and i now understand why they are all in cape town and t think thats the birth place of the so called oldest liberation movement . and they will spend 100 million on a party next year ,what do they have to show for it nothing i can see the tenderpreneurs smilling because here comes money and a whole lot of it,yet some poor kid will still be sitting under the same tree next year trying to get an education why because his school will only be a pipe dream. sad is it not my friend i hope you sleep well and sa you can see I AM BLACK but my eyes openned long time ago peace brother

      Ian - 2011-11-09 06:50

      why ammpike, do you enjoy seeing your people starve , go jobless and have nowhere to live, it sure seems so, you are licking so much anc ass that you cant see the human rights abuses that are going on while they have R100 Million parties, you are probally one of them who will be at there piss up

      djmain1 - 2011-11-09 11:07

      That's fine dude - vote for anyone but the cANCer. Sure they can't do any worse.

  • Kevin - 2011-11-09 06:44

    They are all bad so that is a constant, but do you get any worse than a thug like fat boy.Anyway the anc does not count .What we really all wait for is the Hawks to do there thing as there are bound to be hundreds of charges that could fund 50-75 years. A new song is coming- Leeeeeeuwkop ,leeeeeeeuwkop i am waiting for you.

  • Sledge - 2011-11-09 06:48

    So in essence Malema WON.

      Sean - 2011-11-09 08:12

      I still maitain , fatboy has so much dirt on the senior ANC members , they can not touch him ! Even Mugabe has dirt on them and on many more African leaders !

  • Peter - 2011-11-09 06:48

    My biggest question to all the posts below is how do you get the majority of the country to change their vote? The people who still believe the old tradition that you can't vote against the ANC? I would have thought that after years of a new government the people would have started to realise that change has not happened and in some cases people are worse off then they were under the olf government. Please don't take my commement in supporting what the old government did to human rights as it was wrong but currently the ANC is probably doing more harm to human rights then anyone. What is the solution as the comments below unfortuneatly come from from the minority vote of the country! I am all for change and really do not want to see our beautiful country end up like a number of other African countries.

      Rob - 2011-11-09 09:09

      Peter, see below my comment about collectivism. I believe that until people are prepared to vote for what they believe AS AN INDIVIDUAL to be appropriate rather than for the COLLECTIVE nothing much will change. It comes down to nurturing the ability to think for yourself and accept accountability for the effect of your individual actions. Sometimes it can be tough to accept that it is your fault......See, my maid just told me the iron broke!

  • Had - 2011-11-09 06:50

    "The ANC traditionally expels only members the party believes to be beyond rehabilitation". If this was true & they practised what they preached, there would be nobody left in the ANC.

  • maritza.meyer - 2011-11-09 06:51

    "Once it washes its hands of you, it expels you but it only comes to that when, it if it puts a rock in this pot and cooks it and you in this pot, the rock becomes ripe and ready to eat before you do. Then it expels you." Say what now? LOL

      Brian - 2011-11-09 07:58

      Hopefully malema now gets to eat the rock?

  • ndienir - 2011-11-09 06:54

    this means that bantu holomisa was the worst accordin to DP Motlanthe

      Victor Appie - 2011-11-09 07:02

      If u speak the truth in the A.N.C ur time is up ask holomisa know is malema. ANC mst get its house in order

  • Andre - 2011-11-09 06:54

    ....it's my thinking that the ANC will do nothing but wait for the courts to sort him out WRT his 'unTRUST' account...then because of his criminal status either promote him up the ranks or leave him to wallow in pretty orange attire....dunno?

  • Lloyd - 2011-11-09 06:59

    you must really be hard-headed for a stone to be ripe before you.

  • Maduvha - 2011-11-09 07:12

    Walter, its bad that instead of sharing your views regarding Leko you are attacking the charcter. He is not alone, there are a lot of us who uses African culture way of living that says, you don't complain a lotyou become part of solution. Those are the velues that ANC was formed and even today it is still the same velues, reason why you will all jump up and down go to corts and say all types of names but your cries always will fall on deaf ears. Its about the people not manority.

      Merven - 2011-11-09 08:40

      velues, corts? Maybe education should've been one of the ANC's values.

      Maduvha - 2011-11-09 10:15

      Education what? TO be honest there is one topic that I am hating nower days. Everytime a African person talks people talk Education. Why, people who comment about African people state of education they themselves didn't attend those schools.

      Maduvha - 2011-11-09 15:01

      Demn, I missed it a bit Merven. Ohh, its English clases for me. Thanks, values not velues, couts not corts, Everytime an African person talks not a African person talks. Thanks, you are a true English specialit, only us ANC supporters don't know English and can't spell. The only reason ANC guys can't spell is because they are not educated. I see, you are a generous man indeed.

  • Johan - 2011-11-09 07:12

    In which case everybody should be expelled!!!!

  • Dudleygbu - 2011-11-09 07:15

    as sad as it is, all of this is just the unfolding of the greater plan for Malema to become the next president. I dont know anything thats more scary. http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

  • Julie - 2011-11-09 07:17

    I knew that Malema would also win this round!

  • Karen - 2011-11-09 07:17

    We must be realistic here, the ANC (and Zuma), knows that they will lose a lot of support (of the "uneducated masses"/majority)that supports JM, and they cannot afford to do so. So, to keep all happy, JM will get a slap on the wrist (keep the enemy close), but the likes of Zuma will pull strings behind the curtains (The Hawks, etc), to probably get rid of JM through his shady finiancial dealings - this is the only way I think Zuma and his supporters can play out this game ..

  • phinda.buthelezi - 2011-11-09 07:25

    expel him

  • sewsexy - 2011-11-09 07:31

    He is saying in a nice way that Juli-arse will get off scott free - wonderful - NOT !!!!!

  • Cristina - 2011-11-09 07:31

    WTF..has this man or the ANC lost their darn brains (if they had any!)??!! Expels only the worst?,huh?? What type of messed up joke is that??!!!!!!!...and what's Juju?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The tooth fairy??!..come on ANC, enough is enough!!!!!

      Merven - 2011-11-09 08:42

      The ANC never had brains, that is why the are the ANC.

  • Maduvha - 2011-11-09 07:33

    This is all about Africans vs Whites and anyone who challenges whites needs to be eliminated or he isn't smart. I think some peolple are praying for Malemas expulsion, funny how one young man can shake South Africa.

  • John - 2011-11-09 07:34

    Has the ANC ever expelled a member???? if so who???????

      Raegan - 2011-11-09 09:08

      every member has some kind of dirt on each other, so if one were to be expelled then each ones dirty laundry will be exposed and the party will eventually collapse,..

      djmain1 - 2011-11-09 11:10

      Bantu Holomisa

  • Raegan - 2011-11-09 07:39

    the Julius turd malema saga continues, and as far as him being expelled from the A.N.C , very unlikely !!..

  • Missionman - 2011-11-09 07:40

    This is just in preparation that Malema will just get another small wrap on the knuckles and them be left to carry on his distruction. If this happens the rest of us are doomed. SAD.........

  • Brian - 2011-11-09 07:40

    Here goes the anc again at its arrogant best. They couldn't influence the disciplinary committee in private they had to do it in public! This is their way to avoid having to put malema and a rock in the same pot in case they can't tell the difference. Imagine the embarrassment then if the rock responds quicker to their rehabilitation program than malema?

  • Anne - 2011-11-09 07:41

    @ammpike: You are the oppressor. Do you know the theory about the oppressed becoming the oppressor. Afrikaners oppressed by imperialism became the oppressor and ANC oppressed under apartheid are now the oppressor. If you knew anything about history you whould have noticed that the ANC regime is on a fast track to total totalitarianism. Just remember: in a totalitarian regime neither oppressed nor oppressor can ever be free!Sorry @ammpike you are not free and will not be free under ANC totalitarianism!