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ANC is 'haemorrhaging' - Winnie

2012-06-30 22:50

Johannesburg - ANC members should take care to halt the "haemorrhaging" of the ruling party, struggle stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela said on Saturday.

"The ANC is haemorrhaging, it is your responsibility to stop that haemorrhaging," she told party members at her home in Orlando West, Soweto.

Madikizela-Mandela received the ANC centenary torch on the last day before it left Gauteng.

She warned members not to allow the party to disintegrate and she encouraged African National Congress members to make sure the party ruled forever.

She said she was "so touched" to receive the flame.

Like the flame, the ANC had "travelled a long way to be here".

'A battlefield'

She said 2012 was a very important year because it was the 100 year anniversary of the party and the 60th anniversary of the defiance campaign which "got us to where we are today".

Madikizela-Mandela recalled the days when her suburb was "a battlefield".

Looking around at the neat rows of guests assembled in her garden, now adorned with roses, she smiled slightly as she said: "I hid all the weapons here".

She concluded her speech with her trademark salute of "Amandla!" (power).

Supporters and members of the provincial executive council responded rapturously: "Awethu!" (people).

ANC Gauteng secretary David Makura paid tribute to Madikizela-Mandela, saying her salutes embodied the essence of defiance, which fuelled the struggle against apartheid.

"That defiant hand of yours... there is only one veteran who does it like that."

Inspiration

He said younger generations had drawn inspiration from her.

"The June 16 generation, you introduced them to the movement... the young lions imbibed your fire," Makura said.

He said she was a symbol of resilience too, as she had never let her spirit be broken by the apartheid regime.

"You have always been the guiding light and that is what we bring back to you... that is what the torch represents."

The torch was delivered to Madikizela-Mandela's home just before 2pm by an ANC cavalcade accompanied by a fleet of the Sopranos Bike Club, Tshwane Metro police and police.

A solemn procession of uMkhonto we Sizwe veterans from Tshwane delivered the flame.

Torch continues journey

The torch arrived in Gauteng on June 1 after being received by former President Nelson Mandela at his home in Qunu in the Eastern Cape.

After its month in Gauteng, the torch would be sent to Limpopo to continue its journey, which started in Mangaung, in the Free State, in January.

The flame was set to arrive in Polokwane before midnight to keep up with the centenary celebrations schedule.

Comments
  • fred.fraser.12 - 2012-06-30 23:01

    I don't think Winnie is an authority on such things. It's shocking that she received the so-called torch. She's an immoral person with low integrity and a low sense of honesty. She was directly responsible for the murder of an emotionally challenged pre-adolescent, by necklacing of all things. If the ANC is serious about having positive role models and being a positive force for the evolution of South Africa, Winnie is not that person. Even Nelson knew this, or he'd still be married to her. What are you thinking? Are you thinking?

      Rodney - 2012-06-30 23:32

      Sekwati, woukld be nice to see her punished for her misdeeds though. We can't punish Malan et al, they are all dead. winnie has not spent a single day in prison for the murder of Stompie even though she was found guilty. As for her statement, kinda rich when she was courting the lunatic Malema when most of the ANC hierarchy was distancing itself from the man. If that wasn't helping to split the party, then I don't know what is. Then again, I'm not complaining, the faster they go down the better.

      sekwati.robinson - 2012-06-30 23:47

      yes she is guilty and I for 1 believe she should have been punished...but the previous government(and the current) failed to do it..most folks confessed about murder ''remember the useless TRC''...most never saw the inside of prison...cry my beloved country..forgive and forget the past...I did and I could'nt be more happier.....there's 1 thing I wish winnie could see...she's old...

      tw2066 - 2012-07-01 01:06

      So Sekwati, if we must forget the past, then why is appartheid constanrly raised? Or land rights? Or nationalisation of mines? Or removing old strret or place names? Or the sstruuugggelll? Or traditional issues? Or the "elders"? No, this pack of theives ARE living in the past.

      Ian - 2012-07-01 02:30

      @sekwati, ok lets talk about the present, how about all those farmers who bled (you know the ones that put food on your table) How about every single victim of crime who bled because of some callous criminals greed? How about inncent people of all races not being safe in there own homes, schools and colleges, How about that hey sekwati, F THE ANC AND THERE GREED

      thandiwe.ngema.71 - 2012-07-01 03:00

      Why should we support a broken ANC? Why not give other parties a chance? A democracy is only mature when we vote out a government that is performing badly - we need to do that in South Africa. The ANC probably doesn't have 50% of support in the big cities, we now need to explain the ANC's poor performance to rural areas. The best way to protest and demonstrate against a poor government is to vote for someone else. This message must be translated into all the languages and delivered to every residence in the country - especially in rural areas where the ANC still has strongholds. I say this as a former ANC voter..

      rupesh.hari.7 - 2012-07-01 03:04

      Yes Ian, it is all Sekwati's fault. Damn that Sekwati. Read what he said again. He is in no way condoning Winnie, but I agree with him that one cannot ask for forgetting the past and then bring it up all the time. He did not bring apartheid in his argument.

      sekwati.robinson - 2012-07-01 06:52

      damn me yea whatever..I'm not the enemy here...no one can justify murders commited by winnie,apartheid,inkatha,awb,pac and anc in the past..and as I said,its all in the past...no use opening old wounds..or we'll just hate each other more...to the one who mentioned that farmers put food on my table...I'm very greatfull they are doing that...we have the best farmers in the world so please stop your personal attack on me..I'm not the one killing them or agreeing with this land grab thing...so calm down...let me concentrate on you Ian...somebody once said ''you must be prepared 2 live with consequences of choices you make''...most south africans voted for the anc and will continue to do so regardles of issues you raised...I voted anc to stop apartheid not to have it cripple us by stealing,corruption,raping us and making the organisation a family business...we can boycott voting but in the end choices will be made for us because of those who continue voting for it...corruption will never cease,why do you think zuma got rid of the scorpions?.....the question is...what are we the intelligent ones doing about this whole thing?...

      henrileriche - 2012-07-01 07:11

      Everyone knows the ANC is a haemorrhage with smaller haemorroids attached to it.

      Ian - 2012-07-01 07:13

      You can start by trying to voting the thugs out, then again as the old saying goes, when the devil comes knocking its easy to invite it in and impossible to get it out, even if they lose they will demand recount after recount after recount, thats how evil and corrupt they are, to deny kids an education for example, how much more souless can you be. I'm not saying vote DA, vote for the pink sky party if you like, its still one less vote for those inhuman criminals

      cyberdog.breath - 2012-07-01 08:45

      @sekwati.robinson Agreed, however, the intelligent ones are in the minority. The Masses are uneducated, and more so through deliberate actions by the current government. The more uneducated they remain, the higher the chance of corrupt parties getting a vote. The ANC knows this all to well. Although I agree with you, to stop bringing up the past, the current government deliberately make this impossible, everything put in place is designed to cause conflict and unhappiness among the population. With regards to the current Policies implemented, the more controversial it is, the more it will benefit corruption. The more controversy, the more divided we are as a nation. The one and only solution that will solve South Africa's problems is if everyone stands together, Black, White, Coloured, etc... And the ANC knows this, and they do not want this. Winnie, and others are only simple minded tools, used by the ANC to distract everyone, in order for the anc elite to empower, and enrich themselves. Much like sending out a clown on stage to entertain the masses while they prepare the stage for their next magic act, and everyone is to distracted by the clown to look for, or to see the wires and other paraphernalia they are installing to achieve their trickery and deception. So whether we live in the past or not, it is irrelevant(and mostly thanks to current policies, unavoidable), we are all getting screwed here. And Winnie, et al benefit handsomely.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-07-01 09:01

      piss off witch, you poisoned Malema with your bitter nonsense, you have tried to overthrow the ANC Govt, with your co-conspirators, now you pretend to be this innocent struggle hero, you are the poison, your time is up, Hamba wena

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-07-01 09:18

      Didn’t she steal someone’s liver at one stage?

      alf.pop - 2012-07-01 10:21

      Fred: replace "low" with "NO" and we are on the same page. She is as genuine as a 7 Rand note! Officially she is the steadfast ANCstalwart, while behind the scenes she forces people to close businesses in her area if they in any way might represent any form of competition to her own interests! She is also seen by some potential investors as one of the obstacles to investing in S.A. So much for the mother of the nation!

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-07-01 10:32

      @thandiwe.ngema.71 - Well said! People say South Africa is a democracy. Now prove it by voting the anc out! Do your democratic thing, vote the incompetent anc out. The time has come! Vote DA! Let your descendants have honorable ancestors!

      sekwati.robinson - 2012-07-01 11:07

      the true anc gave people freedom..I will respect that forever...1st mistake it made was to promise people free things....result of this was people dreamed of a better life without working for it.....the current anc did'nt learn from mistakes made by its previous leaders,instead they created new and more severe mistakes...the minority might be living the good(hollywood)life as claimed by some,but our leaders also joined the trend....BEE and tenders killed job creation...it promoted get rich quick opportunities for few (fat cats like khulubuse zuma) and temporary employment for the uneducated mass....education was never a priority from the begining...hence no new university has being build for the past 18 years...the child grants could help build 7 of them...like it or not,the government needs help from the minority....transition can't happen while you shut out certain races...south africa belongs to all its citizens...purple,blue,silver etc....its not too late...anc need to educate the mass...problem solved...

      aristar.aristary - 2012-07-01 13:35

      @koos.vandermerwe.75: No that was the ex Health minister, Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, who had a liver transplant at the private wing of the Johannesburg Hospital. She was the Health Minister who advocated the wonderful cure for AIDS with vegetables such as garlic and beetroot, rather than with antiretroviral medicines. I wonder why she had to have a liver transplant - probably had a few too many bottles of Johnny Walker under her bed.

      Charms - 2012-07-01 14:36

      Sekwati for president!!!!!!

      oomkrummel.krummel - 2012-07-01 15:00

      "haemorrhaging"...???WTF..????misprint...???typo...?? finger error...???.....No its WINNY..trying to sound clever ha ha ha...

  • Dewdawn - 2012-06-30 23:02

    Too late Winnie, you set the example and others followed. Now you have inherited a legacy you created. Let us not forget Stompe in this celebration year of the ANC.

      smili.fication - 2012-07-01 07:25

      B.B... People like you are the reason our youth and education has failed. I cant believe you work for the education department.

      mariuskowie - 2012-07-01 08:47

      B.b. You are a racist. From your FB picture you are militant as well. Winnie is projecting the picture of sainthood. The reality is that she is guilty of murdering one of her own. The biggest evil is the evil hiding in your midst, the evil you protect and worship. That makes the ANC one of the most evil organisations ever. They are currently responsible for more suffering in the poor communities than anything in the past. The non-delivery of books to schools alone is bigger than anything the apartheid government did to education. Winnie actively supports racial hatred and is causing massive division in the ANC with her factional politics. B.b. do yourself the favor, look up the statistics regarding who did the most killing during the apartheid times. That same group is now in power. That same group is responsible for more death in their time of rule than anything previous in the history of SA. They are responsible because of their inability to stop "crime". They made SA ungovernable via civil disobedience and lawlessness. They made lawlessness into something that creates heroes. They are still trying to create heroes! Winnie is not a hero. She is a killer of dreams and futures. She is a killer of Stompie, one she should have protected.

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-07-01 10:45

      How many anc members were killed by the anc at Camp Quatro in Angola?

      henrileriche - 2012-07-01 10:49

      It is estimated Winnie's chant of "with tyres and matches we will liberate this country", is the result of 3000 black deaths due to necklaces. Stop blaming the white man! Be a man and take responsibility for your own actions!

  • johann.vanryneveld - 2012-06-30 23:21

    Oh she does not need matches now she's got the torch to set the necklaces alight

  • pisciotta - 2012-07-01 00:10

    Haemorrhaging! - now that is a step in the right direction. The other article would have read better "Winnie 'torched' to receive centenary touch." Then again I'm not such an animal. Tempers however do flare up when seeing this woman of evil get so much praise.

      tw2066 - 2012-07-01 01:09

      Me thinks Juju gave them Hemorrhoids !!

      balan.morgen - 2012-07-01 02:12

      Juju gave winnie haemorrhoids so anc gave her a torch to shine on juju's face.

      pisciotta - 2012-07-01 12:30

      pisciotta - Just posted Report comment B.b. No drugs here. English is my Native Language and I've always loved to play with words. Appreciating word-play requires one to be fluent in the language. I understand you may not catch the humour as I would not appreicate Zulu word-play. I've never torched anyone. As for Winnie? What does history say about her? PS: Wearning Camo over a blue shirt with horizontal white stripes? How is that working for you?

      aristar.aristary - 2012-07-01 13:39

      @balan.morgen: But Winnie always was a pain in the ass. Even in the bad old apartheid days she was considered the National Party's greatest asset as she just couldn't keep her great big flat feet out of great big fat mouth.

  • Gus - 2012-07-01 03:35

    Like her or hate her, she just seems not to age at all.

      Ian - 2012-07-01 07:15

      probally an alien

      sandimzilikazi - 2012-07-01 08:25

      Hahahaha Ian

      raymond.abrahamse - 2012-07-01 09:24

      She just gets uglier

      henk63 - 2012-07-01 09:43

      Must be that white gunk she ladles onto her face. Remember when the cop pulled them over, the one that got fired? He said he thought she was a ghost peeping out of the darkness. Scariest sight he ever saw.

      aristar.aristary - 2012-07-01 13:43

      Amazing what Botox and wrinkle filler can do. I wonder her plastic surgeon is. Next time she goes in to hospital for a "sprained ankle" we can arrange for the knife to slip, or the oxygen to be turned off.

  • lownabester - 2012-07-01 04:06

    Ever asked yourself that question????? Winnie?????

  • Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-07-01 06:22

    Winnie nomzamo madikizela mandela is not your typical maddam. She is a tried and tested cadre of the liberation struggle. She endured many years in solitary captivity,the masses dont call her the mother of the nation for nothing. Our struggle was not led by saints or angels,rather it was fearless and brave men and women who sacrificed all in order to free both the oppressed majority and the masters in union buildings. Comming back the story about the haemorrhaging of membership within the ANC, i fully agree with her. I am one of those who once became a member and a leader at a branch level. As a young man, the ANC of today is vastly different from the one i joined in the early 90s. I am as outraged with what is going on like everybody else, but would never join hands with people who believe that i am less of a human being, my intellectual capacity suits me to work in their gardens etc. I will exercise what the democratic state affords me, and that is freedom to think freely .

      peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-07-01 07:26

      Dearest Thobile, Who on earth would think that you are of a lesser human being ? Who on earth would think that your intellectual capacity is only suited to work in a garden ? THAT IS YOU OPION AND YOURS ONLY. Change your mindset/get rid of that inferior complex that is surfacing.The BIGGEST problem to solve is NOT to think in black and white. Hopefully you understand now that you are the only one that can help yourself.Up with the chin, be proud to be a South African.Think freely...at the moment your thinking is limited to the past.

      smili.fication - 2012-07-01 07:42

      Thobile, STFU, stop moaning about white people, not all white people are the same. And... it's not our fault you are not qualified... sorry to say that, but Id say it regardless of you being black.

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-07-01 11:03

      Try voting DA. They are the most demographically balanced party in South Africa. They never killed anybody and they look ahead, not astern! Compare the Western Cape with Limpopo and make an honest decision on who is best. Vote DA. Give your descendants an honorable ancestor!

  • dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-07-01 06:27

    It is not about where you have been it is about where you are going and judging on your past 100 years, you lot are all going to hell !!

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-07-01 06:46

      ?

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-07-01 06:56

    So the ANC gave her a burning torch. In stead of just a box of matches. This is real progress.

      grant.hide - 2012-07-01 11:21

      aint matches western, should have been 2 twigs and some dry grass.

  • sizwe.bwana - 2012-07-01 06:57

    Ironic, the vampires are bleeding, their greed has sucked too much out of this country and now they are turning on each other. The only way to sustain corruption is thru force, ask Bob. The only way forward for the ANC is to force their members to comply or kick them out, ask Juju.

  • Shaka - 2012-07-01 07:04

    The problem with revolutions: when the freedom fighters achieve their objective they forget to hand over to the re-builders. They remain fighters and find a fight wherever they can. Its nearly 20 years on and its time to build this country together. We thank the elders for their struggle but now move aside and lets make this the best country in the world.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 07:41

      ear! Hear! We have no attachments to salutes of “Amandla” and who did what to whom 100 years ago. Good governance is all we want to see. The ANC is haemorrhaging precisely because they are focussed on celebrating, thanking themselves [pilfering the public coffers] instead deepening democracy and putting our country on a growth path. So let them keep haemorrhaging, faster so that a better party can put the country back together, putting SA first and above party~politics

      Hitro Dive - 2012-07-01 08:51

      Themba lol! your funny bro.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 08:55

      Hitro, right back at you bro ... Lol

      grant.hide - 2012-07-01 11:23

      Exactly, Let the DA win this time. Let the ANC fighters and haters take a breather and spend all the stolen money on a big fat holiday.

  • Wayne - 2012-07-01 07:04

    Winnie, maybe the ANC is haemorrhaging those loyal member who are fed up with the scandals, corruption, nepotism, cronyism, selective morality and general profligacy of the ruling party. If that is the case, I say "let it bleed".

  • kathleen.whiteley.7 - 2012-07-01 07:07

    Winnie is right: the ANC is haemhorrhaging under Zuma. Jackson Mtembu would be better.

  • B.b. - 2012-07-01 07:09

    Arm mense van Suid-Afrika, is hulle besig prys zwakhoofdigheid...let us all unite for one for a common goal, that is it make South Africa a better country amongst others. I don't think poverty is of great issue in this country, but leadership/ruling is a priority to everyone,,,,I see many foreigners in this country selling their products to the poor whom u regard as poor. This country will never be like other African countries,,,I've never heard of any story about South Africans living this country to other African countries for better lives because they are being affected by poverty. I can see even people from Pakistan coming to this country, let alone the Japanese and Chinese people. How can u export ur products to the country that is being affected by poverty and unemployment? For better job opportunities, young people must learn to take economic decisions when thinking of studying. Many South African young people are studying for high profiled positions e.g., Chartered Accounted, etc., without considering the job market. Some jobs are not in high demand so as to see many people studying for it,,,many students who studied Bsc. are teachers today and they don't see any exit from teaching because their career is not in demand, they only see that when they've finished their studies. I love u South Africa,,,,Ek is lief vir jou Suid-Afrika met al my hart

      kathleen.whiteley.7 - 2012-07-01 07:29

      This is right.

      smili.fication - 2012-07-01 07:47

      STFU... your a idiot.

  • mmangaliso - 2012-07-01 07:33

    what does 'haemorrhaging' mean im nt that educated

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-07-01 07:45

      It means "bleeding", mmangaliso.

      gregory.wellsclifton - 2012-07-01 08:15

      Bleeding profusely! Like she should have done, when she killed a child.

      pisciotta - 2012-07-01 12:41

      mmangalis - can you spell GOOGLE? So much for the SA educational system.

  • carel.venter.9 - 2012-07-01 07:34

    I really thing she doesn’t have the slightest idea what the word means, she just heard it somewhere and now throws it in to sound clever.

  • koketso.senabe - 2012-07-01 07:48

    Who wants to be ruled by the same person all their life? Who will ever progress if they remained the same forever? Change is always good, it keeps people on their feet and interested. I bet you that most this power hungry ANC politicians will gladly leave the ANC to go join the one that is the ruling party if ANC lost its power.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 08:27

      8ta Koki 8ta! JZ said he wanted just one term. Now that he has tasted the gravy, he wants, no, he DEMANDS the second term\\transition or whatever the spin doctors on his side use to justify continued stealing by them under the stealing leadership of JZ. Haemorrgage ANC and keep haemorrhaging!

      grant.hide - 2012-07-01 11:25

      As long as the ANC rule nothing will change for the poor.

  • Vince.York - 2012-07-01 08:00

    Vast difference between "haemorrhaging" and 'aborted'.................>> Times have changed and circumstances have changed for all that these central ANC cadres want to continue struggling forever! The youth live in a different world and have zero oppression against them, EXCEPT that created by these same struggling leaders and that is then forced into their individual paths via propaganda, indoctrination, tribalism and paternalism VIA MASS HYSTERICAL RACIST POLICY. The ANC has created MONSTERS like Chancellor House and related similar vehicles to denude the NATION including all their supporters from every hard earned cent, and loudly proclaimed that they are doing for the supporters benefit. NOT TRUE. These funds are used for the longevity of the party and that handful of ugly demons that proclaim to be your struggle hero's of today, keeping you back as individuals in a mass movement of poverty and hopelessness. All the benefits and monies thereafter the ANC derives from these and contracts will NEVER be released from those few blackened transformed claws. It's much like the land reform funds! Taken from at that stage mostly those white tax payers, to give to farmers in exchange. BUT delay, never part with it all & syphon & fritter it away, THEN like Zim proclaim it is TIME JUST TO TAKE without compensation like the Zim thieves did more than once. Just one example among MANY in RSA. The BILLIONS of whites around the world watch RSA in horror as it tumbles from a beacon.

  • frank.downs.357 - 2012-07-01 08:24

    THE POOR VOTERS ARE TOO AFRAID THAT ANOTHER PARTY WILL STOP THE PENSIONS AND GRANTS THAT THEY DESERVE. IT IS A TRICK THAT THE NATIONALIST PARTY USED. THE POOR DON'T CARE HOW CORRUPT THE ANC ARE.

      rob.baggaley - 2012-07-01 10:07

      100% frank. True, true, true ! Why else would a sane person vote ANC in THIS day & age ?

  • ako.gutshwa.7 - 2012-07-01 08:26

    I respect Winnie struggle during apartheid era I admire her contribution in fighting against oppression, yes so many people died during those days because you know whenever two elephants are fighting grass will suffer but I don't think it's right to single out Winnie as a killer, if she did kill, what triggered that, how many people died under apartheid government? so many black people died because they were resisting change and on the other hand some died because they wanted to be free so who do you single out there as a killer? Winnie is a stalwart we are free today because of her contribution let alone that our freedom is being abused but I still respect her.

      Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-07-01 08:49

      Justifying killing someone because its for the greater good? That is what terrorists use as justification of their acts! So you acknowledge then that you were/are terrorists?

      raymond.abrahamse - 2012-07-01 08:54

      Find out how many people die DAILY in this country due to violence.Then make a comparison of how many people died during Apartheid era.I think that More people die in a month in this country than during 44 years of Apartheid.EVERY DAY I read of people that die in this messed up country.

      raymond.abrahamse - 2012-07-01 09:03

      Who murdered STOMPIE? The apartheid government?

      ako.gutshwa.7 - 2012-07-01 11:58

      I hear you guys but how many black people died under verwoed and Botha leadership, remember many blacks were killed and buried but some were killed alive because the sufferings of those days still haunting them even today we lost our loved ones, we didn't enjoy the best education you guys enjoyed and all sorts of discrimination you can think of. I would be very happy if one day one of you will be brave enough to admit that you the cause of what South Africa find itself in today because truly speaking if you treated us as human beings we wouldn't be divided today. I can maybe simply say you are reaping what you sow. Don't get me wrong I'm not happy about the situation in our country but we mustn't forget the cause of all these. If Winnie is killer then your apartheid leaders were the worst killers they are even killing today on their graves

  • Koos - 2012-07-01 08:57

    Criminal, thief, fraudster, murderer a true ANC'er. This is what they hold in high esteem and yes, this is what they teach. Hell they are so full of it. Like the gold trim on the horn. Didn’t know gold was part of the caANCer’s colours or did they steal that as well.

  • brian.l.watson - 2012-07-01 09:10

    Regardless of Winnie's failings, she endured massive heartache and pain through Nelson's improsonment. In such a situation, you may well be driven to do inhumane things. Nelson was a fine man and married her for being a fine woman. Read "conversations with myself" to see how he viewed her. It is fitting that she be honoured. We can praise her for her good even if there is bad. It is only by honouring what is good that we put bad in its place. Let not forget that South Africa is one of the few African countries to keep moving forward without spiraling into a war torn state or dictatorship. The reason was because of Mandela and Tutu's great hearts and that they preached forgiveness and not revenge. Imagine a life of oppression and 27 years in prison, and then coming into power and preaching forgiveness. It is a certain privilege for any white person to enjoy the soil of South Africa and call it home. We would do well to learn forgiveness from our great leaders. Winnie did do things the were wrong, but people certainly did her wrong. Lets forgive and honour her for were she did well.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 09:16

      In addition, she was banished with small children to some desolate place in the Free State where she knew no one,constantly harassed, detained, prevented from prtactising her profession as a social worker, the list goes on. But all of that pales into insignificance because of Stompie and the fraud charges. Well stated Watson. Pity though, the hypocrites and ex apartheid foot soldiers and their poisoned grandchildren are going to be nailing you to the Cross

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 09:30

      Botha, the entire country was run by the Police and the Military under a number of state of emergencies. Yet Mandela was supposed to renounce violence? Tsk!tsk!tsk!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 10:19

      Botha, people were being incarcerated lefty right and centre. Two people in the township having a chat were considered “an illegal gathering”. The SADF soldiers were even permanently parked outside our schools in the township. Mandela was sitting in prison away from his wife, children,relatives, grandchildren. Amidst all that he was being TOLD to renounce violence in return for his release. Release to what? To living in a Police State in the township with mno freedom of movement? Being randomly asked to produce a dompass on your way to buy bread? Renounce violence so that you can be finished by the Police\\Military state that made people disappear! Madiba is a very clever man. He saw through all the evil schemes

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 14:30

      Groot Krokodil, I see you have changed the subject. And no, I'm not blind. Were “you people” blind when you were voting for apartheid? Look at the mess you have created: a mass of uneducated people that the ANC is keeping uneducated

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 17:05

      Groot Krokodil, no white person voted for apartheid. It was voting itself. No I did not follow your link. I know what happened during apartheid. I was there.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 18:06

      Wat bedoel jy Groot Krokodil? Moet ek elke ding wat ek skryf verduidelik in u se moedertaal?

      Wim - 2012-07-01 18:24

      themba thwala. First in you family to read and write? Thank Verwoerd and bantu education. From Cro-magnon to Homo Sapiens in one generation...

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 18:45

      Groot Krokodil, I was beginning to like you, but I see you have now suspended your brain and are thinking out of your behind just like other racists. Thank Verwoerd? Did I ask Verwoerd for anything he did? I would thank him if he decided I needed to be “civilised” and gave nme the same opportunities he gave to whites. He did not! FYI, Mandela took the decision to go the armed struggle route following years of peaceful resistance. The ANC was formed in 1918, but took the armed struggle in 1961 because things just got worse when the Afrikaner NP took over from the Liberal Party. Clearly you don't seem to know much beyond the lies related to you, Groot Krokodil! I'm done talking to you

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 18:54

      By the way Verwoerd was a MONSTER! So was your namesake, the finger-wagging PW. The sun will have to rise from the West before any black person can say “thank you” to any of those MONSTERS!

      Wim - 2012-07-01 19:00

      Themba Twala: As Verwoerd said: education should conform to the abilities of the learner. You are a case in point. Judging by the current system even the ANC knows the capacity of its people.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 19:33

      Wim, I don't know what you mean. But I can assure you I'm highly educated with two degrees from UCT, and another from the Univ of Pretoria. I don't care what you or simila minded think of me. I'm probably the darkie who lives in your neighbourhood, in that huge double story and a bigger car than yours. By the way, I also don't work in government and don't even know how to get a tender. I also have white people reporting to me. Yes! This notwithstanding your dead Monster Verwoerd's predictions. I hope he's burning in hell!

      Wim - 2012-07-01 19:45

      All those AA degrees and you still believe in fairy tales? The IQ problem, I suppose.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-01 19:53

      Wim, jealousy makes one nasty! Enjoy being jealous. That's not gonna change anything about me. I have already said I don't care what you or you uncle and grandmother think of me. Evemn if you don't greet me as your neighbour. The sun does not shine out of your racist behind to warm me or my family.

  • henk63 - 2012-07-01 09:14

    Look people, Winnie learned a new word and was able to repeat it! Wow!

  • raymond.abrahamse - 2012-07-01 09:34

    REMEMBER your DREAMS and PROMISES.You May only get ROADS,DRAINS and PAVEMENTS.

  • Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-07-01 10:01

    Hey people, rather debate issues and not men. Those of us who belong to the second economy know very well that we are sitting on a ticking time bomb. Its quite inevitably that its gonna explode and none will be victors. Winnie mandela remains a symbol of resistance against the stinking corpse of apartheid which is yet to be burried. Contrary to what some of are thinking, i dont suffer from any inferiority complex. I am a true pan-Africanist u gave up a slave job in an auto manufacturer in westbank ,east london., in defence of my fundamental rights as enshrined in the constitution of the republic. I was hated by both the management and the union for exposing fraud and corruption. I am trained imn many things, and some of u can cry if i can put those skills into use. I will never do that since my kids will be the first casualties. To the apartheid beneficiaries u must be glad that forums like these are not visible at taxi ranks. I will continue to urge all our people to build a non-racial sosciety so that all of us can live in peace and harmony. We r all victims of crime,corruption,nepotism etc. When we voice our anger against these , lets ommit vernomous words,lets stop hurling racial insults otherwise the masses will continue with their blind following.

  • Lindelwa - 2012-07-01 10:02

    Brian I Watson u cannot have put it much better, I commend u. One thing we need to know as South Afriicans even if it might be difficult for some of us to understand is that Winnie Mandela is really loved by the majority of South Africans both educated and uneducated. Yes, she may have her own flaws like all of us but the pain and suffering she went through outweighs her weaknesses. Sometimes one bad incident can overshadow the good deeds you have done in life just like one good deed can overshadow the bad things you have done in life. We had one former apartheid Minister - Adriaan Vlok washing the feet of Frank Chikane as a symbol of apologising and humbling himself. With that one deed he expected forgiveness for all his evil deeds of apartheid. The Stompie killing was an unfortunate incidence that should never have happened; however, most of us forgiving South Africans have forgiven Winnie for that and we rather focus on the good she did for the country. Yes, she is part of a corrupt and greedy political party which must be removed from government through elections and educating our poor citizens who rely on it for social grants and child grants.

  • Philip Buys - 2012-07-01 10:53

    the anc is a old dinosaur, and due to become extinct........

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-07-01 11:16

    the lady still looks lovely for her (what must be pretty high) age ...

  • millionwatts1 - 2012-07-01 11:30

    We LOVE YOU Winnie.

  • KennySven - 2012-07-01 11:31

    SHAME, POOR WINNIE, THAT SHOP HAIR, WINKEL HARE, MAKES HER LOOK OLD. PLEASE SOMEONE TELL/ADVISE HER TO GET A HAIR TRANSPLANT OR A MODERN WIG, WIGS ARE ON SPECIAL AT CLICKS PRESENTLY.

  • boltonbarry - 2012-07-01 11:42

    Just like you made Stompie bleed

  • harold.chisimba - 2012-07-01 12:56

    WHAT DID DIS OLD LADY DO 2 EARN SUCH RESPECT IN DIS COUNTRY?

  • harold.chisimba - 2012-07-01 13:00

    DID SHE SAY HOMOPHOBIA?

  • justin.pretorius - 2012-07-01 13:10

    Let the ANC bleed and bleed well

  • eugene.m.geel - 2012-07-01 13:15

    And we all know where they bleeding from!!\r\nThe ANC is like buying a hotse- the only thing that matters is position, position and position (and includes dogstyle).

  • flysouth - 2012-07-01 13:22

    ..and her criminal past is swept under the carpet again - criminality which had nothing to do with the 'struggle' and which led to Mandela being compelled to divorce her, according to his own words in his book 'The Long Walk to Freedom'.

  • aristar.aristary - 2012-07-01 13:24

    Best news I have heard in years. I hope they bleed to death

  • aristar.aristary - 2012-07-01 13:30

    When Winnie dies, the Devil is going to create a special place for her. I can think of a lot of things he can do to her. Make her keep quiet, by removing her mouth. Make her watch 1000 Stompies dance around her all day with eyes forced open. Oh the imagination just boggles.

      phae.rayden - 2012-07-01 15:14

      WTF are you serious? Delusions of being Satan, now we know what type of people dreamed him up! You are one sick puppy.

  • neville.lollan.75 - 2012-07-01 13:43

    The ANC and is followers can only take so much from us until we cannot take it any longer and respond with violence. The so called struggle will look like a picnic at he Zoo Lake when the cookie crumbles When you plan these strategies of what needs t be taken away from those that are other then black remmember that we are planning counter ressistance to that so it is not going to be a walk in the park as you would like your followers to believe " Soft Targets " are larger then life itself in the new South Africa so dont force your hand it may be to your detriment This is not INCITEMENT its a WARNING if pressure persists

  • antin.herinck - 2012-07-01 14:53

    Let them take Preparation H, bunch of piles that they are. The haemorrhager, the better.

      phae.rayden - 2012-07-01 15:29

      No Antin that's a hemorrhoid 'A swollen vein or group of veins in the region of the anus', to haemorrhage is ' profuse bleeding from ruptured blood vessels' Nice try and would have been hilarious if that's what she had said, ANC - the swollen anus vein of SA.

      antin.herinck - 2012-07-01 23:27

      True. They are like "hemorrhaging hemorrhoids". Is more apt. SA's people are left standing at the table by those bleeding *rseholes of the ANC. Medical analogy-wise stage 4 pancreatic cancer is more true to its effects on SA, but that does not have the ring to it. I (forcedly) wanted to keep it anal. Them being *rseholes and all. Sorry for the medical/poetic license taken.

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-07-01 15:05

    Thats rich coming from her.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-07-01 18:52

    Was she talking about herself. I would really love to know of all the ministers etc just how many of them have a clean record. Sorry Winnie, you dont deserve any respect you just trade on the mandala name, otherwise you are nobody, I know you are in the womans league, but what do you do for the woman and the children that are raped daily....sweet nothing....you and your woman only strum up votes for the anc so therefore dont care a fig of the woman of the country, More passangers on the gravy train thats all,

  • Mtibra - 2012-07-01 19:21

    Amandla

  • popeye.sailor.1884 - 2012-07-01 20:53

    Hey Big Fat Mamma, how was the Stompie on the spit last night ?

  • corrie.botha.7 - 2012-07-01 21:41

    waar is jul klom piles opad heen hehe i paar jaar terug was jul 1 party 1 rule vandag baklei jul leker oner mekaar want die een wil i groter stuk van di coruption he as die ane een...lyk my die sterk magtige anc is besig om te selfdestruck tot ou vrou winitji bla bla malema ag ek bedoel mandela sien dit raak en ek moet se sy nie te skerp nie wat moet die res nie al raak gesien het nie...pathetic tick tock winnie dink dit i gepaste tyd om vir my te se AMANDLA VIVA

  • nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-07-02 00:52

    Khiosan land plus white hate has serious haemorrhaging the ANC.

  • Archie - 2012-07-02 08:11

    Winnie you just as challenged as Zuma,you both would be in jail,but dirty politics saved you both.Jacob (dead wood)Zuma has a nack for attracting brain dead ministers to his dumbed down cabinet.Either they steal the poors money or like Angie(skilpad)Motseka,they do less than buggerall.Good Leaders govern by example read Hellen/Patricia/DA and if they fail they resign.Dont blame the messenger .

  • hugh.olphart - 2012-07-02 11:17

    @Sekwati, you're so correct in that the ANC did bring about the pressure on the Nats to abolish apartheid, and that the time for this country to be "ruled" is over. We need democracy, and that only comes when people look to the government for accountability. If there isn't any, the people have the right to change the government to a party that "serves" the country. Being "ruled" is for dictators and servants, not free people.

  • arthur.hugh - 2012-07-02 20:53

    I wonder if she reminisced about torching Stompie?

  • agrineth.hlongwane1 - 2012-07-11 08:05

    We have power hungry crooks in the parliament, ANC is just curtain it is not what the founders intended it to be. When will Zama get out of power God when? He must continue to use people to fight while he uses tax payers money to enrich himself and his very extended family at the expense of tax payers. It's enough.