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Malema: Technicality may trip up ANC

2011-08-31 18:59

Johannesburg -  The ANC's national disciplinary committee is deciding whether it should drop the charges against Julius Malema, after the disciplinary hearing against the ANC Youth League (ANCYL) leader was adjourned on Wednesday, a report says.

According to Eye Witness News (EWN), the hearing was brought to a halt after Malema's lawyers told the committee that proper procedures were not followed when he was charged.

The hearing was adjourned until Friday.

After the adjournment, league spokesperson Floyd Shivambu told reporters outside the ANC's headquarters that Malema was inside, consulting lawyers.

Youth league deputy secretary general Kenetswe Mosenogi told supporters outside Luthuli House that "victory is certain".

Malema, Shivambu, deputy president Ronald Lamola, secretary general Sindiso Magaqa, his deputy Mosenogi, and treasurer general Pule Mabe face charges of bringing the ANC into disrepute and sowing divisions in ANC ranks.

This was after Malema said the ANCYL would send a team to Botswana to consolidate local opposition parties and to help bring about regime change, as it believed the government there was "in full co-operation with imperialists" and undermining the "African agenda".

Comments
  • CorneN - 2011-08-31 19:04

    Morons...

      Risen Ape - 2011-08-31 20:40

      I don't care which way it goes, I love watching them make fools of themselves while the world watches. Fatboy kicking the old man's butt at his own game is hilarious ... whahahahaha!

      Joe_Public - 2011-08-31 22:07

      Simple really: JuJu has just threatened to expose the corruption in the ANC. One of those "If I go down, I'll take you all down with me" scenarios. I wonder when the ANC is going to realise that you can't control anyone when they know your dirty secrets. Vrot! Vrot! Vrot!

      James Weather - 2011-08-31 22:35

      @News24: We support your right to free and fair speech, so support ours and stop deleting our comments ... All comments are fair considering the circumstances

      czovczov - 2011-09-01 07:10

      So have we all officially agreed to allow these loud retards and imbeciles in ANCYL seize power and determine our destiny with their dangerously flawed radical policies of nationalisation. Why are the intellectuals and moderates in ANC allowing themselves to be bullied by these young fools? The solution is loud and clear; kick Malema and his muppets out on ANC and save the credibility of the party and save the economy.I am sickened to my stomach each time I listen to this retard compare himself to Mandela.

      Viva Mangope - 2011-09-01 08:12

      @risen ape ,,,,im with u mate ,love this soap,only thing is the money that waisted for the entertainment

      ReThan - 2011-09-01 08:44

      The ANC know that Dalema knows too much about top ANC politicians and their dodgy deals so they will never discipline him and fat boy knows this. Dalema knows he can spill the beans on these fat cats! Good luck SA! You are all blind!

      donns - 2011-09-01 10:36

      Proves once again there is no law or discipline in this country.

      Stox - 2011-09-01 12:55

      "Victory is certain"... sigh... such drama queens. "Victory is certain Comrades! We will fight on the beaches, in the trenches, and on the hill tops! We are a fighting military army of radical militant war people!" Ummmmm... okay... you do that. We'll just sit here and try earn a living like normal people, aight? Why? Because the last time I checked there was no war. Sorry chaps. Why the hell is everything a bloody 'revolution' and 'struggle' and 'fight'? I will now go on a struggle crusade to the shops to get milk and a 2 liter coke from the bloody white imperial Spar Shop down the road! No one can stop me! I will die defending my right to drink coke! VIVA the military revolution struggle!@!!1! Reminds me of little kids playing with their plastic army men pretending that they're all grown up serious army men cuz it's cool. Grow up.

      Tinkie - 2011-09-01 13:40

      As per Times Live: Julius Malema and his executive asked to meet the ANC leadership to negotiate a political solution to drop the charges that they breached the ANC's code of conduct. There are startling reports that the youth league is sitting on arms deal secrets it aims to use to force the ANC to abandon disciplinary action against Malema. See http://www.timeslive.co.za/ilive/2011/09/01/malema-and-co-trying-to-strike-arms-deal-bargain-ilive

      JMan - 2011-09-01 14:48

      Did you REALLY and honestly think or believe that a corrupt organisation like the ANC would EVER really come through for SA and show that it can be just? Honestly? It was just a matter of time. And Malema knew it all along.

      supporter - 2011-09-01 15:04

      I knew this would happen. they will let him go to do more hate speeches, threatening other countries and kill farmers. F pig

      REALIST - 2011-09-02 09:48

      This is what happens when an illiterate rapist runs things!

      Ayoba - 2011-09-02 13:41

      News24 readers are addicted to Malema, ANCYL and ANC. News24 knows very well what to serve.

  • Koekemoer - 2011-08-31 19:04

    Innocent until proven otherwise!

      Mr Bee Hind - 2011-08-31 19:28

      Troll!

      Kevin - 2011-08-31 19:39

      A charge can be fixed and recharged.

      Eugene - 2011-08-31 19:54

      Yeah, just like Mandela.

      Frans Smith - 2011-08-31 20:19

      and mandela's ex wife winnie, and..........and..... the list goes on and on

      Harry1 - 2011-09-01 06:40

      100% correct, my learned friend, Vernon Koekemoer.

      CaptainK - 2011-09-01 07:45

      In SA as an ANC Comrade, it is actually: GUILTY untill you have told us what dirt YOU have on US, and after due consideration of your blackmail strategy, we likely will take the "charges dropped" approach, if you know too much... In exceptional cases we may even promote you to President and pay you more ;D BANANA REPUBLIC for BANANA EATERS

      Spyker May - 2011-09-01 18:49

      Hey Moerekoek, I mean Koekemoer.., You meant Idiot until proven otherwise..! ...

  • RacingShark - 2011-08-31 19:05

    So now we know whos in charge. clearly the ANCYL. ANC has no balls

      Eugene - 2011-08-31 19:55

      ANCYL is what's coming, watch it.

      Harry1 - 2011-09-01 06:41

      President Malema waiting in the wings???

  • Thandiwe83 - 2011-08-31 19:05

    Come on ANC sort it out!

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-31 19:54

      Its wishful thinking....we now are sure what is going on here,its time decent South African's black and white stand up and march the same way the filth do and show we are the ones who pay the way in this land,screw the ANC,they have failed us all!

      Harry1 - 2011-09-01 06:42

      President Malema waiting in the wings???

  • THE.SRG - 2011-08-31 19:05

    The last chance you had to stand up to the YL and you wasted it,run back to the old age home where you all belong you scared toothless old men

  • ProudExpat - 2011-08-31 19:05

    Why am I not surprised?

      Softy - 2011-08-31 19:31

      |Interesting....most of these comments are from homesick , negative expats....

      gaharaa - 2011-08-31 19:36

      Aw...Softy...even those that are still here think your big brothers went...well...ahem..."Soft". But hey...at least I have somewhere to go when your little brothers give you what for. And they won't be "soft"...no Softy...they won't be "soft". And I will be the expat commenting on this site if it still exists saying things like..."Haha Softy...you got it HARD!".

      Expat - 2011-08-31 19:46

      @Softy - that's exactly what you are dude, a 'softy' It take s GUTS, and COURAGE to jump ship and start afresh elsewhere! All in the name of safety and security for one's nearest and dearest, our FAMILIES! YOU are the coward. Softy. Better a live chicken than a dead ostrich anyway. Softy

      Expat - 2011-08-31 19:53

      @Softy - Sad, yes, concerned, yes, but HOMESICK?? Not on your life dude!! What the heck is there to 'miss' and get homesick about for goodness sake??? Except the 2 family members I have left there - N O T H I N G! Big fat Zero

      Softy - 2011-08-31 19:57

      expat why do you spend your time being negative on the SA online press....surely youve got lots of interesting things to do in your new adopted country....you cant let go can you?.....now youre trying to make everyone in SA miserable as you are.....cowardice is terribly difficult for ones conscience to accept....get a life and leave us SOUTH AFRICANS alone to sort out our issues as theyre no longer your business.

      Shrike - 2011-08-31 19:57

      Exactly what I am planning to do..... Halfway there all ready.....better to liquidate the assets now and move them out than to wait too long and cling to false hope..... The first Jews that left Germany were also called cowards......in the end they were called wise and those that stayed called 'unfortunate'..........

      gaharaa - 2011-08-31 20:06

      Softy, fix your own rubbish up before you decide to comment on mine. I read, write and speak perfectly good English, can do an equation or two and can run a hacksaw through a perfectly good piece of wood. My school report says so. And that was IEB. Not the crap they teach nowadays. Hell...you can fail and still pass matric in this day and age. How moronic is that??? Anyway...where was I? Oh...yes...Softy, well. No I'm done.

      gaharaa - 2011-08-31 20:21

      Haha...you still seem to presume a lot Softy. You have no idea of my further education. I only needed high school to teach me English. I used a university for some things slightly more complicated. But I must say, if you need a university to teach you English then I am ashamed to be associated with you. Even in this way.

      Softy - 2011-08-31 20:22

      da beast you stupid savage.....youve got to use filthy language to make your point....go and straighten the bone through your nose you neanderthal

      Expat - 2011-08-31 20:27

      @Softy - Please wake up. Negative things are happening all over the world and ESPECIALLY in Africa. South Africa or it's news sites is not the only news I keep abreast of! For goodness sake (and for your own)please grow up. From where I'm sitting I see, smell and feel 'r e v o l u t i o n' in SA. And those of you that CANNOT must then simply remain blind deaf and dumb

      Expat - 2011-08-31 20:31

      @Shrike - you are exactly and sadly right friend. Mark my words, the next thing to happen is that they will do all they can to stop people from taking ANY money out of the country

      Expat - 2011-08-31 20:42

      @Softy - One other thing, Judging by your comments my feeling is you are terrified you'll be the last one left there to turn off the lights. (Or just sit there paralysed with fear and not move at all. Because moving, doing, and actually doing SOMEthing to save your sorry b*m takes GUTS!)

      ProudlyKgomo - 2011-08-31 21:36

      Just come home man! Believe me it is good for you.........

      ProudExpat - 2011-09-01 05:27

      Softy, we live in a democratic society. That privilege may have been taken away from you but where i live, it is still a free world. I will comment where, when and how i see fit. Call me anything you want but i am here and you are there. Stuck without an option because you are an uneducated fool...

      madmac - 2011-09-01 06:59

      @gahraa...A hacksaw is used to cut through metal..not wood. Did u go to the same school as Malema? I reckon a "F" on your report card for woodwork? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacksaw

      gaharaa - 2011-09-01 08:11

      Lol...an "F" it is then. Just pointing out to Softy that he shouldn't assume anything. I didn't do woodwork. They didn't offer it, and I wouldn't have done it either way. And lol yes, a hacksaw does. I apologise for that remark. Glad you picked up on it though. Took awhile before anyone did. :)

      Yomar Sapus - 2011-09-01 09:25

      Softc**k, Grow a pair, pull finger and give it a go or are you a chicken?

      nn.prv - 2011-09-01 11:46

      Softy is no softy after all.Just stating facts

      Peg-Leg-Sven - 2011-09-01 14:15

      Now that Genocide Watch has upgraded South Africa to Level 6, one grade lower than actual genocide, it amazes me that there are people who are still calling those of us who have left SA cowards or chickens. In Germany the Jews who left were called the same thing, but those that chose at first to stay behind and later were barred from leaving, kept the ovens and gas showers working 24/7 to eliminate them. Which of the two choices was the wise one?

  • lepotatshepho - 2011-08-31 19:06

    "victory is certain"

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-08-31 19:09

      It is sad that the great movement of Mandela has this imbecile at its centre!

      gatvol4corru - 2011-08-31 19:12

      you should not comment on something that is so far above your IQ comrade

      G.du Plessis - 2011-08-31 19:18

      @gavtol. No need to be horrible!

      Mr Bee Hind - 2011-08-31 19:29

      What was that - Zim is certain? What - I didnt hear you!!!

      G.du Plessis - 2011-08-31 20:00

      Hurling insults at each other will not make the country a better place. Give me a thumbs down if you think insult hurling is good for the country; give me a thumbs up if you think constructive debate and criticism is good for the country.

      ProudlyKgomo - 2011-08-31 21:43

      This DCs are not about victory but about illdiscipline amongst ANCYL ranks!

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-08-31 21:55

      @Agwambo. I employ 5 people. I want to employ more but labour regulations make it difficult. The ANC are not helping my company create jobs - this is one reason why I am critical of them. I am nobody's tea-lady. You are a sheep however, as you follow the ANC blindly and spout imperial rubbish - you can make it big and rich too as I have - work hard and get two degrees - it helps!!

      umhlopo - 2011-09-02 10:32

      hamba bepha umbuzi -malebe

  • Scamatoon - 2011-08-31 19:06

    They got the Sivambu quote wrong, they say he said "victory is certain", just saw on tv he said "eh eh eh eh victory is certain". RIP South Africa

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-08-31 19:07

    It's just ridiculous. Follow the right procedures now and charge him.

      Kgomotso - 2011-08-31 20:32

      please list the charges

      gaharaa - 2011-08-31 20:54

      Kgomotso, in this case, putting the ANC into disrepute and causing division amongst its ranks. Come now...pay attention.

      Kgomotso - 2011-08-31 21:07

      @gaharaa: The division here is comparison of Comrade Former President Mbeki leadership with that of President Zuma if you are a person who read management books you will notice style of management and leadership is well documented and an open subject there is nothing wrong Sello Julius Malema did. Malema is a YL leader how does he cause division in the Mother Body. The Botswana issue is something else

      gaharaa - 2011-08-31 21:17

      It IS because of the Botswana issue. Now really...read the entire article, watch the entire broadcast or something. The ANC say the charges are the ones I mentioned. Not a "comparison" of people. Hell, why would they be in a courtroom for a "comparison". Jesus Kgomotso. Where have you been? The ANCYL can't go around sowing division. Mommy says so. And in that regard, yes, it is STILL A CHARGE! THEY ARE STILL CHARGING HIM! And they aren't considering dropping the charges on the basis of FALSE CLAIMS!

      Kgomotso - 2011-08-31 21:22

      gaharaa cause division is about comments on Zuma Bring the party into disrepute is about Botswan issue

      gaharaa - 2011-08-31 21:27

      Huh?

      grant9 - 2011-09-01 03:00

      The ANC never intended to take action they were just going through the motions. Malema's utterances on Botswana were deeply embarrassing to the government so they had to be seen doing something.

      c@teyes.ec - 2011-09-01 08:07

      They can only re-charge them if there were no time-limits involved.

      Truth24 - 2011-09-01 14:17

      i don't believe they have anyone qualified to do that...

  • Softy - 2011-08-31 19:07

    Zuma is scared

      Shrike - 2011-08-31 20:05

      So are you Softy......so are you!!!!!!!

      Softy - 2011-08-31 20:17

      Shrike?...give things some thought before you comment....halfwit

      Expat - 2011-08-31 21:31

      @Softy - YOU are scared. And if you think the 'outside world' will come to your rescue think again. South african news doesn't even feature here. Look at the rest of Africa, all the 'outside world' is interested in is that the 'rebels' take back what is rightfully theirs - their country! And especially in SA with it's dreadful history, the only thing the 'outside world' will be concerned about is that the unjustly treated, opressed rebels take back their country

      chris van rensburg - 2011-08-31 22:35

      @expat.Look at the global picture.The world opinion is formed by the big corporates owning the news media.They publish to get certain results.Look at Africa!They stir and publish to topple governments and put their corruptible puppets in power to get access to the natural resources.Why are all the Dictators in Africa so wealthy??Why is the weapon case against Zuma dropped?How did Malema accumulate his wealth.The money powers will decide and not politicians or free and fair elections as Zimbabwe showed us.

      Lehan - 2011-09-01 09:49

      @Chris van Rensburg - This is moving way into the realm of conspiracy theory now, but if what you are saying is correct you need to ask yourself one question: What would bring any foreign attention then to South Africa, if it ever does happen? What natural resource do we have that the rest of the world might be interested in? Easy, gold and diamonds. At the moment these commodities are not state owned, and potentially fairly "open" to international access. If Julius Malema is succesfull he would see these mines and commodities return to state ownership, in which case international interest might have to start doing something in order to protect their interests here. So I don't think the all powerful corporates whom you speak of would be in any way interested in helping out someone like Malema. When he removes all evidence of fair trade, he would also, perhaps inadvertantly remove all foreign interest.

  • letsee - 2011-08-31 19:07

    Well, first the carges can be placed again within proper procedures but think ahead, either the ANC did it on purpose or once again proved themselves incompetent.

      Softy - 2011-08-31 19:10

      Incompetence has become a hallmark of the ANCs time in government.....theyve buggered up just about everthing theyve touched and whats left theyve stolen

      brown_bread - 2011-08-31 20:04

      In this case I will go with 'did it on purpose'. my day gets worse...i spoke with two guys today (about same age as me) and they all support this id1ot. how many id1ots can one country handle?!seriously!!

  • ex-pat - 2011-08-31 19:07

    I knew it was too good to be true. They had to come up with an excuse. Be afraid, people, very afraid...

      Charl - 2011-08-31 19:49

      @softy- your alias says it all, you aint got the balls to get of the sinking ship while you can. Think of your family if you are not to soft/yellow to make a change.

      Softy - 2011-08-31 20:04

      chari life is full of ups and downs......we have a wonderful country but as soon as a problem comes up the faint hearted want to run away like expat and you......yellow livered cowards

      gaharaa - 2011-08-31 20:15

      Softy, a turning point has been reached and surpassed. This country is not a safe place to raise a "white" child. It's not a racist point of view. It only takes that one ANCYL fanatic before my son gets his @ss whipped into submission. Hell..2% of the youth take Malema as literally as he seems to mean, we're in for a load of trouble. Especially the white youth. It is unfortunate but it is the truth. You and your family haven't got those worries. It's a sad state to be in. But well, sticking it out may be worthwhile, but the ball seems to be rolling quite fast now.

      gaharaa - 2011-08-31 20:41

      And please come up with a new insult Softy. Everytime you use your current one we associate it with your name and wonder "Whats hanging'?"

      cliffarc - 2011-08-31 20:42

      - Softy , it's called self preservation for yourself and your family. It's a human instinct dating back to the cave man and it reflects the need to survive. Your views are idiotic and short sighted, as opposed to bravery.

      Kgomotso - 2011-08-31 20:45

      @gaharra a white child will be perfectly fine if he is taught and raised to respect people across colour, if he goes to school graduate compete for jobs like the rest of Indians, Coloureds and Black and not expect to be given supervisory/management jobs just because he is white. If he is not taught his biggest task in life is to be a Black Man`s police. If he understands crime is not a White man problem but it affects every living being across the globe. Basically he will be in perfect peace and enjoy life if he learns to live peacefully with everyone. The minute he choose to undermine people he is in hell and will fry to his death. It is a choice raise your child to live in harmony and mind his business life will treat him well.

      Expat - 2011-08-31 20:49

      @Softy - Go and read all my comments to you. Carefully. Stop knee-jerking in fear and wake up

      Pupuzela - 2011-08-31 20:55

      Ai Softy, unfortunately there are only thumb signs to show 'likes' or 'dislikes'. Me personally, I would've suggested a different finger.

      gaharaa - 2011-08-31 20:58

      Kgomotso...no, you misread. What you are saying is that under all normal circumstances he will be fine. What I am saying is that under the circumstances that the radicalist Malema teaches, he might not be. It is a chance, you see, that he may not be. Judging by the shltstorm the ANCYL pulled yesterday on TV, in the news, on the streets, it's a very big chance. And it is becoming extremely difficult to see the light. A normal life may be very hard to come by soon.

      gaharaa - 2011-08-31 20:59

      And I don't know if I would want a son to be associated with THAT kind of hooliganism. Who would? Not the people you described in your post Kgomotso.

      Kgomotso - 2011-08-31 21:15

      @gaharaa what happened last month when the youth of London took to the street they trash everything compare logically yesterday and last month. What happened last year in France when they took to the street they trashed everything even hijacked the airport. Is France an unsafe place is London unsafe?

      gaharaa - 2011-08-31 21:24

      No Kgomotso. But they don't have leaders telling their youth to kill another portion of their youth. Kgomotso. You cannot compare the riots. What the ANCYL did was a dumbass thing to do in the sense that they are a part of the ruling party rioting for a part of the ruling party against the ruling party. Sheesh...putting it that way makes me wonder how thick they can be! So no Kgomotso, they aren't the same, and when one is in the minority that is the brunt of Malemas unhealthy remarks, well yeah, it is an unsafe place. More so than any you mentioned. I would put it in the middle of the UK riots and the African uprisings we have been witnessing.

      Kgomotso - 2011-08-31 21:28

      gaharaa that is fine you can keep him in your house, he can do home based education, you can take him out of the country to wherever you think the world is perfect who cares he is your child. I

      Other Justin - 2011-09-01 17:55

      @Kgomotso - I hear what you are saying, but you cannot compare the riots in London and France with the trouble here in SA. Firstly, the rule of law in London and France are king, especially in the UK, thos people that rioted are being given jail sentences and every effort is being made to make the hooligans pay for their bad deeds. Secondly, the riot was sparked by a policeman shooting a suspected gangster, it was in no way a political 'rally', but caused by criminals. Thirdly, there was no malicious intent behind the riots in the UK and France to a particular group residing in that country, it was purely crime and wage related. Ask a minority in either of the 2 countries if they fear for the future of their children. The answer will 90% of the time be NO, because they do not have a radical element directing dangerous, threatening and racist remarks at a minority group. There can be no comparison between the London riots and the threatening, malicious and racist intent of Julius and his friends against white people, our economy and the country in general. It is a sad state of affairs we find ourselves in, this dangerous man needs to be removed from the political landscape if ALL South Africans are to live in comfortable peace. He is the match the will light the fire of revolution in this country, and NOBODY wants that.

  • Mandla - 2011-08-31 19:07

    If Malema wins then its history on some within the ANC.We might have new ANC leaders in 2012.Maybe JZ might be recalled like Thabo Mbeki.

      fraidycat - 2011-08-31 20:13

      So true, but which ball-less wonder will take over to steal some more of the tax payers' money???

  • asiseeit - 2011-08-31 19:07

    Banana Republic!

      hvklein - 2011-09-01 09:20

      Not a banana republic. If this government stays in power for a few more years we will even have to import bananas!

  • R Albert - 2011-08-31 19:08

    Malema versus a vacuum.

      fraidycat - 2011-08-31 20:14

      But remember, nature does not like a vacuum - the big black hole will be filled, but with what - that is the scary question !

  • Brenton - 2011-08-31 19:10

    What a waste of space these lot are! what procedures need to followed to charge someone with misconduct and why is it that the senior people charging him with misconduct can't follow them.

  • pacman - 2011-08-31 19:10

    Ha ha ha what a banana republic

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-08-31 19:11

    Trying to find a loophole already? Fcking idiots and COWARDS! Big enough to allianate and steal from the public!?

  • crackerr - 2011-08-31 19:11

    If it is found that the correct procedures were not followed it will say a few things about the brains in the top ANC structure. Is there nothing you can be entrusted with?

      Softy - 2011-08-31 19:17

      theyre too busy stealing

      grant9 - 2011-09-01 03:24

      >>brains in the top ANC structure<< ?? Would you like to think about that one for a minute, crackerr? ;-)

      Cire - 2011-09-01 10:24

      This is a joke question - right?

      gazzaz - 2011-09-01 15:39

      Cracker do you happen to know what/how these procedures weren't followed perhaps? Maybe they can do it again if this is thrown out, the "correct" way?

  • TLR - 2011-08-31 19:12

    Stupid puss bags, can not even do an internal dissiplinary; how expect to run a country? Top stupidity we have here :(

  • asiseeit - 2011-08-31 19:12

    If the ANC drop charges it will be a sure sign of what the future holds for South Africa, the world is watching this space.....!

  • Christelle - 2011-08-31 19:16

    Now it is time for Botswana to do something! What in heaven's name happened here - do they not know the procedures they should follow - but I suppose it is in line with our general justice system.

  • v3 - 2011-08-31 19:19

    This is sooo funny It is impossible to guess the truth. Consider: (1) The ANC ruins whatever it runs, including its own disciplinary procedures (2) Like the dropping of 783 charges, the screwing up of charges against Yengeni, the "impossibility" of reading the Arms Deal evidence and the disappearence of more police dockets than even Jacob Zuma has mistresses, the foul-up could have been contrived. (3)The whole thing is a bit of b.s. theatre. The ANC is seen to have acted against Malema & the YL, they get off on a technicality and "justice is seen to be done" - like Jacob 783 and his fraud charges. The famous ANC form over substance trick. (4) All we have read about this week is Malema, Luthuli House and the mob. What about his bribe-taking? And WHEN are the Whoreks going to investigate how *those* tapes got leaked to Jacob Zuma's defence?

      brown_bread - 2011-08-31 20:10

      you left the bit about yengeni being appointed by the defense force again recently, the mess cele made with leases, the, the... it was all a ploy to get the focus off the real issue of investigating malema's corrupt ways. now 'everyone' is destructed and they can let him off. why does this feel so helpless?

  • Daniel du Plessis - 2011-08-31 19:21

    Well then they must witdraw the charge and follow the correct procedures and charge him again. Nothign in law prevents them as there was no hearing so he cannot raised a "double jeapardy" type of defence. MY experience: the weaker the merits the louder the shout PROCEDURES!

  • burtfred - 2011-08-31 19:22

    F**k the procedure, just boot him out. Put the ball in his court.

      Big-D - 2011-08-31 21:14

      If he sues for unfair dismissal us already burdened taxpayers will have to meet the bill although this is probably one we'll all possibly pay with pleasure??!!

  • Georgp2 - 2011-08-31 19:23

    He is the new Chris Hani then Janus and innocent Clive. In the case of Peter Mokabo the so called long sick bed came into action. Maybe he will destroy himslf lets see

  • Phaedioux - 2011-08-31 19:24

    JZ has taught him well! This was all left in the hands of the 'Disciplinary Committee' under Hanekom's jurisdiction - seems they are all a bunch of 'dorks'?

      Phaedioux - 2011-08-31 20:10

      Having just read the same article on TL, there is no mention whatsoever about 'incorrect procedures'? I suppose we shall just have to wait until Friday to find out what eventually unfolds - you never know, everything may just turn out to be against Malema? Either way, it doesn't really matter: If Malema wins we lose Zuma and Mantashe; If Zuma wins we lose Malema temporarily (if at all). Any which way we win! Best outcome would be to lose them all!

  • gaharaa - 2011-08-31 19:24

    OMG...I have been waiting two days for this f**king headline. They are a bunch of p**sies afraid of their own party fighting against them. F**k discipline, they shouldn't have entered into this cr@p if they didn't have the balls to go through with it. Riots, injuries and destruction for the sake of THIS God forsaken headline? No, you've lost all credibility ANC. All. Your kids have got you by your big blue nuts.

  • Johan - 2011-08-31 19:24

    Where is the boss? Sipping Bollinger in some exotic location.....

      fraidycat - 2011-08-31 20:20

      Nope, licking the ass of a wealthy whitie in Norway, to try and get some investment into SA, what a joke - Norway might be small but they are rich, NOT dumb enough to throw away money into this growing big black hole...

      Cire - 2011-09-01 10:30

      @fraidycat. Norway is definitely dumb enough to throw money away in Africa. The country is crawling with liberals and lefties!

  • Lestor - 2011-08-31 19:25

    Solution is simple. Drop charges and recharge him properly.

      fraidycat - 2011-08-31 20:35

      This time please connect the timer to the charges...

      grant9 - 2011-09-01 03:43

      @traidycat. lol

  • Georgp2 - 2011-08-31 19:26

    He is the new Chris Hani then Janus and innocent Clive. In the case of Peter Mokabo the so called long sick bed came into action. Maybe he will destroy himslf lets see

  • BluffBoy - 2011-08-31 19:27

    F*k*n Retards. Was hoping this twat had finally met his a$$.

      gaharaa - 2011-08-31 19:47

      Can you think of any reason why the ANC would get rid of one of their biggest producers of votes? I expected this cr@p from the start. What annoys me so much is that this outcome was almost certainly guaranteed. In that sense, why the riots? Why the stab at journalism? Why would they put their citizens through that destruction, mayhem and hooliganism? Why make world news and chase even more possible investors away? Why destroy what little confidence anyone had left of the ANC? I'm sorry...but even in the totally screwed up countries you don't see that sort of irresponsibility and childish politics.

      grant9 - 2011-09-01 03:50

      'and so say all of us, and so say all of us!' I thought Christmas had come early. Just joking, I knew nothing would come of this.

  • Selvan Pillay - 2011-08-31 19:27

    ANC does not know how to conduct a disciplinary hearing.They are supposed to be governing South Africa. God help us.

      Softy - 2011-08-31 19:39

      \they had a month to get organised and charge him....he took a week to destroy their case and credibility

  • Joanne - 2011-08-31 19:28

    What a complete joke - this idiot can do what he wants and gets away with it - how the hell can these clowns run the country ???

  • motsokwi - 2011-08-31 19:28

    Wise move, that will save innocent life.

      Phaedioux - 2011-08-31 19:33

      They will simply recharge him using the correct procedures. The innocent lives you mention are lost either way the decision goes - you know it and so do I. Your icon must go down!

      fraidycat - 2011-08-31 20:22

      Why a wise move? Anyone with 1 brain cell should understand that Malema needs this country in chaos and the people at eachothers' throats, so that baby dictator can take over the world...

      grant9 - 2011-09-01 04:06

      Phaedioux. This disiplinary hearing has been nothing but a farce. If the ANC wanted to do anything about the Botswana statement, they would have done so by now.

  • jlourens - 2011-08-31 19:29

    As everyone predicted...put a show on for the media & then sweep it under the door.

      Lighty - 2011-08-31 19:59

      Juju is going down, he is just playing delaying tactics. watch da space

      grant9 - 2011-09-01 04:14

      I think the only thing that can stop Malema now is a bullet. @Lighty. They only time Malema will 'go down' is when he's in bed with a friend.

  • Consequent33 - 2011-08-31 19:30

    So he has so much on JZ that they folded. I reckon they are going to be able to pull "the african agenda" [destroy the entire economy and what holds the country together] quicker than any other african country has experienced. what a pity the the "wheel less boys' have no clue, except to fill their own pockets.

  • vegetarian - 2011-08-31 19:31

    Abandoning the disciplinary process because proper procedures were not followed will prove once and for all that our people are determined to abide by the rule of law at all times. If the rules have not been followed to the latter, the proceedings should be aborted in favour of the accused. If this happens, the ANC should be praised for setting the example and exonerating Malema and others on the ground that procedures have been flouted. ANC should not be concerned about western agents who are baying for Mr Malema's blood. They can go and hang themselves. South Africa is not a European outpost.

      Shrike - 2011-08-31 19:39

      You are right, South Africa is a Banana Republic......the court jester of world politics......

      crackerr - 2011-08-31 20:08

      @ vegetarian Listen, here is a challenge. (You are once again demonstrating how out of your depth you are in the real world.) "If the rules have not been followed to the latter, the proceedings should be aborted in favour of the accused." Your assertion. If the proceedings are aborted they can be started afresh. You didn't know it? You do not abort proceedings based on defective procedures in favour of someone. You want to know why? Because procedures are not decided on the basis of an onus of proof on the parties. They are either legally in order or they are not. In other words, the decision is not in favour of any of the parties based on the merits of their cases. Now, which rule in law determines that defective procedures permanently squash proceedings against the answerable person? Work the above out. Your display of ignorance apparently has a life of its own. You apparently find some kick out of it, judged by your comments.

      fraidycat - 2011-08-31 20:24

      And leaving the whitie to take the blame for procedures not followed. No balls to take responsibility for the out of control monster JZ created!

      grant9 - 2011-09-01 04:28

      vegie. The ANC had a month to get the procedure right instead they provide a loophole for Malema to wriggle out of. If a political party cannot even disipline one of its members without messing things up it speaks volumes abot their inteligence. So vegie, using your arguement, any criminal should be able to walk free if the procedure has not been followed to the letter.

  • Bokkie 36 - 2011-08-31 19:33

    Now why does this not surprise me? The ANC is scared of the ANCYL, now the are hiding behind 'technicalities' Disgusting! But typical.

  • silverflash - 2011-08-31 19:33

    Dear Anc , we are all watching to see if you have the will to put these clowns in their place for good .. please don't disappoint ...

  • Ken J May - 2011-08-31 19:33

    Babana Republic!

  • daBeast - 2011-08-31 19:35

    HAHAHA!!! I said this many times. Nothing will come of this and Julius Caesar Malema has won without even testifying ,LOL. I warned that Derek Hanekom is petrified along with his cronies...As much as I destest JuJU. He learnt well from Bob Magoober from ZimBOBweland and Col GadaffyDuck the physco on on drugs. Goodbye Jacob and your kabal. Enjoy your retirement... Goodbye RSA and hello to Southern ZimJUJUland...hahah!!!

      motsokwi - 2011-08-31 19:44

      DA-beast We rather keep those who can sing the national anthem better than yourself,at-least they show a bit of patriotism,not like your own kind.And something will come out of juju,after we nurture him.He is a kid who is learning the language and he will come out best after mastering it.What he is trying to say needs an adult guidance, and he will be given 100% knowledge of how to nationalize and take land from the greedy and the arrogant.

      fraidycat - 2011-08-31 20:26

      motsokwi this guy is not a youth anymore, at 30+ you have been around the block a couple of times - excuses are plentiful for this baby dictator.

      audi.quattro - 2011-08-31 22:48

      @motsokiwi: the oke is an adult! jeez like hes over 30, by any1's standard that makes him an adult! well except mental capacity... and do u even understand what ur writing? ur just as idiotic as the rest

      grant9 - 2011-09-01 05:03

      @motsokwi. Only in Africa can a 30 year old be cosidered to be a kid. Whites in SA are considered to be adults at 18. BTW if blacks only become adults in their mid 30s why are they allowed to vote at 18?. If Zuma could not reign in Malema, what makes you think anyone else can? When he wins this spat with the ANC he will not have to listen to anyone. It will be like riding on the back of a tiger for anyone who tries.

      Cire - 2011-09-01 10:32

      @motsokwi. Sorry to say this but you sound even more stupid tham Malema.

  • legolas - 2011-08-31 19:36

    If you commit a crime you're guilty...does not matter what procedure someone else followed. Or were they supposed to read him his rights? This country is a joke...I'm mass producing clown suits. Will make millions with my government contract

  • bonnyton - 2011-08-31 19:36

    what a bunch of incompetent idiots. If Malema and crew get away with this there will be no stopping them. If Mr Easter Egghead comes to try and take my farm I will give him a third eye right in the middle of his fat head!!!

  • Risen Ape - 2011-08-31 19:36

    Hahaha ... Zuma' career is over, Fatboy beat the old man at his own game. Mwhahahahaaa hahahaaaa ... Gimmie more circus!

  • Mundu - 2011-08-31 19:36

    Who's suprised by this development?...no justice ala Zuma's charges. The circus continues adnausium..just an excercise to bluff SA citizens that that they have things under control.

  • neelsf - 2011-08-31 19:37

    WE live in Africa and all rules are made for Africa by the majority of Africans. You can stress about it as much as you like, it will not change or be changed by anybody while the majority of Africans rule!!

      Cire - 2011-09-01 10:33

      This is easily the single most sensible statement on this forum. Africa is the way it is becuase of Africans - and nothing will ever change that!

  • Glen Hawkins - 2011-08-31 19:37

    Who would've thought.......!!!

  • EuropeanAfrican - 2011-08-31 19:38

    What a joke. Does the ANC really think we are all stupid? The writing is on the wall! Nothing will happen to JM. He's corruption charges will also be dropped and he will be our president one day. If you can, get yourself and your family out of South Africa! If you cant, stock up on weapons, ammunition and food. As soon as the idiot is in charge whites will not be safe in SA. I really believed that the ANC had more balls. What a bunch of incompetent c*nts!

  • silverflash - 2011-08-31 19:38

    Are there any men of substance in the Anc ? i sure no there are , please step up to the plate and rescue this once proud glorious organization .. these young clowns are spitting on your forefathers graves ( legacy's )

      Cire - 2011-09-01 10:36

      Proud, glorious organization? Are you out of your mind? Lead by Stalinists and supplied by the KGB. These young clowns are the logical successors to their elders who are currently stuffing their noses into the feeding trough as far as they can.