ANC mum on arms deal inquiry

2011-09-19 14:14

Johannesburg - ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe declined to reveal on Monday what the party's executive had to say about a commission of inquiry into the arms deal.

"Seeing as [President Jacob] Zuma is the head of the country and that he was the one who asked for the inquiry, it would be more appropriate to engage with him about that," Mantashe said.

Mantashe was briefing reporters at Luthuli House in Johannesburg on the national executive committee meeting of the African National Congress at the weekend.

He said he did not know whether all ANC members were happy about the arms deal investigation.

"It is outside the ANC. I cannot say if members were happy or not."

Zuma announced his decision on Thursday to set up a commission of inquiry into South Africa's controversial multimillion-rand arms deal.

The commission's terms of reference have not been announced and it is not yet known who will preside over it.

  • CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-09-19 14:20

    Wonder if Mbeki is getting a wee bit worried also?

      Chris - 2011-09-19 14:40

      WOnder if Mbeki is "hĂȘppy" about this.

      MojoBa - 2011-09-19 15:31

      Oh please!!!!! Somebody close to Zuma who needs a salary is going to be put on the board of the inquiry and once he/she has paid off his/her debt, they will not find anything.

  • Slapper - 2011-09-19 14:22

    I bet they are Mum about this. A case of working out the result that want and working backwards from there. Problem is, it is harder to do than to think.

      Observer - 2011-09-19 14:44

      Errr, not sure if you've noticed, but for our current leadership, it's the thinking part that also often presents a hurdle.

  • kalabafazi - 2011-09-19 14:25

    A lot of people who were involved in the armd deal have passed away. So all corruption and fraud allegations will fall on them. Try sueing a dead man.

      Mike or Mpho - 2011-09-19 14:41

      very true

  • BloodRiver - 2011-09-19 14:29

    Obviously Zuma's stooge Moegoe Moegoe will preside over it.

      cj - 2011-09-19 14:37

      Listen man, you know nothing about Justice Mogoeng. There is no basis for insulting him like that. You should pay some respect to a justice of the Constitutional Court. He may not be the very best, but he is an excellent jurist, and an honest, religious man. What is your evidence for making an insulting statement like that ?

      GTA_Lad - 2011-09-19 14:45

      Cj, is calling him zuma's stooge an insult?? Haha

      kalabafazi - 2011-09-19 14:47

      I would have thought the Cheif Justice should be the best there is. Just go read up on some of his rulings and go figure why this low life shouldn't be Chief Justice.

      BloodRiver - 2011-09-19 14:48

      @cj the fact that Zumagupta insisted on him being appointed proves that he (Moegoe)must be corrupt.

      GTA_Lad - 2011-09-19 14:48

      And you say 'he may not be the best', WTF is he doing in that position then??! Shouldn't we have the best? This country is going down the toilet cos people like you settle for mediocrity.

      dieskim - 2011-09-19 16:18

      @cj Zuma, Malema and this so called chief of justice that we now have are all idiots. I will never have any respect for any of those idiots. They are a waist of space and oxygen. They are thieves, scum, low life's. I have more respect for the dirt underneath my shoes than I'll ever have for them. None of them have contributed to this country in a positive way. And they never will. They will only take for them self.

      ousie - 2011-09-19 16:23

      If only @dieskim could spell half of the words he just wrote, I could try to muster some sympathy.

      dieskim - 2011-09-19 16:55

      @ousie. I don't feel sorry for you if you can't read correctly.

  • Malcop - 2011-09-19 14:30

    Its a bit late to jail Nelson Mandela now. Besides, the latest Arms deal inquiry is all a soap opera produced by the ANC. The outcome will be what they want it to be.

      daaivark - 2011-09-19 15:08

      There has never been any suggestion of Mandela's involvement. Your name is perfect.

      BloodRiver - 2011-09-19 15:32

      @daaifart your name is also perfect. For you.

      sjkranenburg - 2011-09-19 16:11

      @ Malcop ... please read and inform yourself. @BloodRiver ... like i said, there's still space for you in Oranje. Voetsek.

  • Buic Unix - 2011-09-19 14:35

    Our government... teaches the whole people by its example. If the government becomes the lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-09-19 14:44

    Zuma is only the head of the country when it is convenient!

  • willieman - 2011-09-19 14:46

    "It is outside the ANC. I cannot say if members were happy or not." It suits you Mr Mantashe why don't you recall Zuma? Like you did with Mbeki 'cause clearly now Zuma is not following the instructions from Luthuli House.

      mcmenaminkevin - 2011-09-19 16:02

      why would that suit mantashe? The call for inquiry into the arms deal is a national government matter not the agenda of the ANC. The comment you are quoting is his answer to being asked how members of the ANC felt about the iquiry. Assuming he has the same opinions, beliefs and intentions as every other leading ANC figure is naive. Do you agree with every decision your superiors make? Ofcourse you don't. People are unique, even leaders of the same political parties are gonna disagree on certain issues and have their own agendas but as secretary general of the ANC his job is to overcome that challenge by ensuring the members of party remain unified and focused on issues like unemployment and poverty - not make comments in the press that are gonna divide the same party he is trying to keep united. This article is the result of some manipulative journalist following the trend of giving the ANC a bad name in the media so he can have sell newspapers and keep his job. Sad part is fools like you are falling for it day-in-day-out. Im not saying the ANC are innocent, just dont be naive enough to beleive what you read as the truth just coz its from an established website. The first paragraph of the article says Mantashe refused to reveal what ANC executives had to say about the inquiry but then further on it says he did not know how they felt. Bit contradictory dont you think? How do you decline to reveal something you dont know?

  • burtfred - 2011-09-19 14:48

    I think Zuma is going appoint Shabir Shaik to head up the enquiry. I believe he doesn't have much to do between golf games.

      Born To Fish - 2011-09-19 14:52

      And assaulting journalists!

  • I'm Right - 2011-09-19 14:51

    Proof that JZ is innocent.

  • Ohmikehunt - 2011-09-19 14:53

    I wish they would get the terminology correct - It's the Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI) and not the "Arms Deal" for goodness sake!

      daaivark - 2011-09-19 15:10

      Oh for Pete's sake. The whole country calls it the arms deal. Refer to it as the SDI and no-one will know what you're talking about.

      Teemachine - 2011-09-19 15:15

      I think he's making a joke.

      kalabafazi - 2011-09-19 15:21

      So maybe the should call the enquiry the the Strategic Income Initiative Defence.

  • Verdade - 2011-09-19 14:56

    Can of worms....LOL....Sleepless nights coming up!!!

  • Georgie Porgie - 2011-09-19 15:02

    The main fact is that the three main king pins are Alex Irwin, still alive, Thabo Mbeki still alive and Trevor Manuel still alive. These are the three big fish while the yengenies and others are the smaller fish. Shouldn't be too difficult to do an audit on the big threes banking accounts. Liberation will come when these three are locked behind bars. The man in the street knows that will never happen and they also know that this countries justice system is a farce. The whole bloody government is a farce run by ex convicts

  • siviweviddosngcobondwana - 2011-09-19 15:23

    The is no need for the dilly dallying Gwede.Just accept that most comrade criminals are scared to be caught with their pants down.Anyway most Polokwane delegates, more especially the NEC members they voted Mbeki out because they were afraid of the same can of worms which Zuma is opening now.Zuma is just avoiding to be instructed by the constitutional court Judgement (17 October 2011).He knows that the terms of reference of the commission under such eventuality will not be depended upon him.In a nutshell, Zuma is pre-emptying the situation.

  • kudakwashe - 2011-09-19 15:25

    thaqts wonderful news, let all those who acted in their own interests face the consequences

  • Terminusest - 2011-09-19 15:39

    Smoke and Mirrors - the purpose of this is so that JZ783 does not have to face questions in the upcoming case in the Constitutional court. He is probably going to claim it is "under investigation" by another institution, and answering questions will supposedly jeopardize this "investigation" (read ANC appointed, crony, coverup job). He will then make sure this new investigation never reaches a conclusion, thus ensuring he NEVER has to account for his thieving.

  • Brainbow - 2011-09-19 15:40

    Mbeki and a number of his brothers (and a sister) have been offered (refugee status) residence in Timbuktu.

  • phumlanim - 2011-09-19 15:47

    Can somebody make a stop and control our President and he has lost it, he didnt want to be investigated by Scopions regarding Arms deal now he is the president he wants the arms deal investigated, what a Joke mr comic president

  • Fedup - 2011-09-19 16:29

    Some ANC officials taking a little strain now are they!!!!!

  • Gelien Botha - 2011-09-19 16:56

    If only just one of the ANC would spill the beans on Zuma.....

  • Boerseun - 2011-09-19 18:07

    I am sure very few cadres can be happy about all this.

  • v3 - 2011-09-19 20:04

    Every analyst I have read regards this as another Jacob 783 ploy. Not one that I have seen thinks it might be aimed at rooting out corruption or getting to the Truth or - just fancy - in aid of good governance or Zuma doing his duty. This just shows what a hard-earned reputation for dishonesty South Africa's First Justice-evader has earned. Put differently, every journo and commentator thinks that Jacob 783 is again using state resource to further his personal political agenda.

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