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ANC parties in Bloemfontein

2012-01-08 09:13

Bloemfontein - An ANC centenary torch was lit at midnight in Bloemfontein on Saturday, while party leaders, members, heads of state and guests celebrated until early hours on Sunday.

ANC president Jacob Zuma and Archbishop Desmond Tutu lit the torch at the Wesleyan Church in the company of various party elders including former President Thabo Mbeki and guests. The ANC was founded at the church.

Fourteen heads of state, five former heads of state and four heads of governments in Africa and elsewhere were welcomed at the presidential gala dinner at the Vista campus during the night.

Several delivered messages of support to the ANC and South Africa.

Former Zambian president Kenneth Kaunda was a huge favourite.

The 88-year-old former president drew huge cheers and applause when he jogged to the stage, while the guests chanted “KK”.

Peace

He urged South Africans and Africans to talk to each other about their problems, to love each other and to promote “genuine” peace.

He also had the guests sing a song to fight HIV/Aids.

“Sons of Africa cry and fight. We shall fight and conquer Aids,” he sang.

He also finally sang “wish me luck as you wave me good bye”, while the more than 1000 guests gave him an standing applause.

Namibian president Hifikepunye Pohamba thanked South Africans for its “peace and stability”.

Zambian president Michael Sata said his country and South Africa were examples of where state leaders were voted out peacefully during elections.

Gala event

Those former presidents, Kenneth Kaunda and Thabo Mbeki, were even present at the gala event, he said.

ANC veteran Ruth Mompati highlighted the role played by women during the apartheid years.

“Spare a special thought for women…they were wonderful leaders.”

She also urged South African’s to hold hands and move forward.

ANC stalwart Ahmed Kathrada thanked the ANC’s overseas visitors and friends, specially the independent states north of South Africa during the apartheid years.

“They suffered just as much as us.”

He also paid tribute to the many ANC members that were assassinated or tortured to death by the apartheid regime.

The party’s centenary torch would be taken to Free State Stadium on Sunday to be showcased for everyone.

The torch would also travel the country as provinces hold centenary celebrations throughout 2012.

Comments
  • Chris - 2012-01-08 09:22

    ANC inviting dictators - no surprise there. It belies their intention as to what they want to do to this country.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-08 10:53

      Fiddling while Rome burns, literally partying the country into the ground.

      Squeegee - 2012-01-08 12:32

      Was this a real party or a Leon Shuster movie being shot? Kaunda singing "wish me luck as you wave me goodbye" cannot be real - oops, I suppose it can. Tutu included at a ceremony where hours before a bull was sacrificed... Cameron calling the ANC a beacon of light.. Is this some alternate world created by Salvador Dali?

  • malcolm - 2012-01-08 09:30

    Chris, they are doing it already. The only way they will be taken out of power will be by force, and it will be the black majority that will do it.

  • Garth - 2012-01-08 09:34

    I wonder which poor, hapless, `impimpi' fool they used as the torch?

      Sifiso - 2012-01-09 13:50

      they used them both,lol.

  • Sello - 2012-01-08 09:35

    Why can't you people just shut up if you have nothing constructive to say?

      Beetroot - 2012-01-08 09:55

      Ha ha ha ha Seelotape.... I see you work for the Free State Provincial Government. Thats like saying I dont like being critisised. Take it on the chin buddy, its your party!

      Yar - 2012-01-08 15:15

      @ Sello - Here is something constructive. The ANC should be charged with fraud for spending R400 Million on a celebration which is for party benefit, using taxpayer funds. Can the DA also please have a few hundred million to use as they please. This grand waste of cash should not be funded by the state, or am I wrong and the members have clubbed together to pay for it?

  • Sinudeity - 2012-01-08 09:37

    "ANC president Jacob Zuma and Archbishop Desmond Tutu lit the torch." A dude necklaced with tyres and petrol? :P

      Paul - 2012-01-08 10:34

      Such an intellegent generalisation 'dude'.

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-08 11:59

      One of the few lesser known ANC traditions :P

  • Beetroot - 2012-01-08 09:39

    Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid!Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid! Apartheid!........there we have it. 18 years later and they still cry the beloved country. Pathetic echo. I wonder what the Israelies were telling the Germans the last 18 years? Holocaust! Holocaust! Holocaust! Nope! They were too busy living life to be so useless!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-08 10:55

      Bad analogy, the Jews have used the Holocaust to dictate and manipulate the world for 50 years and they still go on about it.

      Eugene - 2012-02-04 23:21

      In fact it seems the Blacks copied the Jews in crying foul all the time. When they are actually to blame for their own problems and popularity with other people. By the way, I someone blisses out that silly torch.

  • Sello - 2012-01-08 09:50

    Kevin Sadie, is a favorite hobbie of white people to complain about everything that is not white really, why don't you just shut the f up

      Ben S - 2012-01-08 10:15

      Sello if people have to say good things about how the A.N.C. operates, this page will be empty and even you will have nothing to say.

      Paul - 2012-01-08 10:40

      Sello news24 is the only place where these dumb stereotypes have their moment of glory.

      nspaynter - 2012-01-08 10:51

      Sello, there are always white people who come on to these forums and say bad things about blacks. There are also black people who do the same and always complaining about whites. That is sad. The impression is that the ANC are all black and the DA are all white. We are all South Africans and we should all be trying to make our country a better place for everybody. There are many good leaders in our country, from all races, and in the same way there are bad, corrupt leaders and they are also from all races.

      Paul - 2012-01-08 11:12

      Hey Paul, lest anyone get confused about your identity, go do some real research before you give us a blinkered history lesson, okay? I'm not going to waste my time on re-educating or de-brainwashing you -- do it yourself. The truth will make you free.

      Garth - 2012-01-08 11:33

      @paul - your understanding of the introduction of knowledge to this region is as base as your grasp of the modern world, you sacp ignorant. My English and Welsh ancestors arrived here long before 1820. My Dutch and French Huguenot ancestors were a century before them. Where are your ancestors from dlamini and then, here's the crunch, where's the written proof. Think about it - everything you are today, with the exception of ritual bull slaughter, arrived with those `white british trash'. Backward mentality of the vacant-headed - give us one positive about you and your anc ignorant buddies and we shall write it. Yet you and your ilk boast about a lavish pi$$-up at tax-payers expense and then use the only phrase in your limited repertoire: 'all whites out'. The only stereotyped ones here, are you and the other ignorants with your minds stuck in the dark ages of communism.

      Soetdoring - 2012-01-08 11:55

      Hello Sello - ever heard the people from Singapore (they are also black) cried racism, colonialism, etc.? Nope. They got their independance from Britain in the sixties and with no natural resources, they realised that only they will lift them from poverty. Look where Singapore is today. A very, very modern country in every sense of the word - a shining example what blacks can achieve with the right mindset.

  • Robi - 2012-01-08 09:54

    The ANC claims to be champions of internal democracy. Based on the exclusion of Thabo Mbeki as one of the former president to deliver speech raise eye brows about internal democracy. It showed that due to the fact Thabo lost in Polokwane, he is still victim for standing against JZ in Polokwane. South African must must carefully of the ANC which promotes ethnicity than the interests of the the organization.

  • Larry - 2012-01-08 09:54

    Oh the sights and sounds of a commercial Pig Farm.

      Garth - 2012-01-08 10:17

      That not very nice Larry! I agree that pigs also grunt and snort and snuffle at the trough, but they at the least are very useful - we can eat them. What is the use of one anc ignorant, let alone 100,000 of the vacant-headed fools.

      Jeffrey - 2012-01-08 11:04

      @Garth, Pigs are also quite intelligent animals.

  • comurray - 2012-01-08 09:57

    As I have mentioned before "birds of a feather flock together". The problem is when there is a minor despute these person are quick to kill one and other. The whole of Africa gained their independence through terrorism. They are now doing what Africa has been doing for decades, sitting with begging hands expecting the rest of the world to dig them out of the mire.

      Barefoot - 2012-01-08 12:09

      Last time i checked the U.S gained their independence through fighting, so did Mexico, Spain not so sure.

  • William - 2012-01-08 10:02

    Now here comes the Provinces's turn to squander more tax payers money in the name of centenary celebrations.

  • Burtfred - 2012-01-08 10:07

    What is the Anglican Archbishop doing at the Wesleyan church at the same time as the ritual slaughter of a bull took place? Does he condone this? Is it required in Christian doctrine? I don't think so.

  • Trevor - 2012-01-08 10:11

    Borrowed time....that is what we are living on in SA because you cannot fight history when you don't learn from your mistakes....and sure as HELL, the ANC do not learn from their mistakes...they call it "collective responsibility" so no lesson learned due to no consequence.

  • Comrade - 2012-01-08 10:17

    PARTY while Millions suffer in poverty. Way to go assh*les - Make me sick to my stomache!

      Sam - 2012-01-08 10:35

      domkop as said by Kenneth Kaunda last night, the event is there to create jobs for your businesses in the form of hospitality, transport etc yet on the other side you dont see it domkop

      phangolicious - 2012-01-08 10:48

      Jou ma se kind!! surely she is happy she gave birth 2 U ....... U didn't care about poverty before 1994, and suddenly U do .......SMH

      Kgomotso - 2012-01-08 11:59

      Comrade you hypocrite. where do you or have you always been staying up market suburb what are you driving which resturant do you go to, how many time do you go to resturant a week, how often do you take vacation oversee, how much do you spent on grocery do you ever think of poor people in all your spending i bet no. You miserable Hypocrite you eat, party live high and you cry tears when other people celebrate

      Michael - 2012-01-08 12:55

      @Kgomotso That's all fine, he uses his own money. His OWN money that he works for. This little party however, is being funded by us. I don't know about you, but I would prefer my money being used to fix the roads up a little, have some guys come around and fix the traffics lights that have been out for months, cut the grass in the public parks, on pavements, put some towards paying teachers, buying new equipment for hospitals, you know, the easy stuff. That is a gold star for you, and your rather short sighted comment. Right on your forehead*

  • Sam - 2012-01-08 10:19

    event white South Africans dont want to be known, as I watch etv news its good that a child born in 1994 wont believe what happened to their grandfathers and grandmoms

      Michael - 2012-01-08 14:00

      Most of us here do not speak stupid, please sir, what do you mean?

  • Martin - 2012-01-08 10:22

    I really love this, invite them all, do it again please. Bloem needs all the money spent here. I am sure Bloem will benefit in the next few months.

      Beetroot - 2012-01-08 11:11

      Martin, it costs the city council as much to clean up afterwards.

  • Herman - 2012-01-08 10:47

    Enjoying lotts of Johnny Walker and Coke, KFC, Nandos and contemplating the quickest way to bring SA to a fall......all at our expense.......yuck!

  • Dion - 2012-01-08 11:09

    Why is the people talking so much nonsense about the ANC.Sure there is problems we dont deny it but if we look at stats we as blacks are doing much better.The opportunity for a better life for all is working for us.The people that want to improve themselves is taking advantage of the chance.Look at the automotive industry it has never ever been in a better position as it is today due to the economic policies of the ANC.Co operatives is open for all not only for whites.This is just a few of the good things my ANC has done for this country.If you do not see the good what the ANC has done then you must have been in the position of advantage during apartheid days.ANC for life/ViVa 100 years of the ANC.

      Kgomotso - 2012-01-08 12:05

      bravo ANC and many more years

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-08 12:12

      Its because you are comparing the ANC government to apartheid. You are not comparing it to democratic benchmarks, merely oppressive benchmarks. As for saying 'corruption is everywhere', Greece has been brought to its knees, due to government corruption, merely equal to that of our municipal corruption.

  • Thukzet - 2012-01-08 11:09

    i am also joining the party !!!

      Kgomotso - 2012-01-08 12:05

      welcome conrade

      Beetroot - 2012-01-08 12:31

      I am thinking of going for a dump!

      Johan - 2012-01-08 13:23

      WTF is up with this "comrade" bullcrap? Does it make you feel important or something? Why not just call each other "supreme commander" or something even more impressive?

      colin.dovey - 2012-01-08 13:52

      @Kgmotso - at least you got one part correct: CONrade :-)

      Yar - 2012-01-08 15:34

      @ Khomotso Don't you mean COIN RAID

  • Norah - 2012-01-08 11:39

    @Chris, 'ANC inviting dictators'..you are so rabidly anti-ANC that you peddle misinformation - anything to discredit the ANC! Let me enlighten you about the following guests at the centenary: Mozambique's Guebuza is an elected president, he took over from Chissano; Namibia's Pohamba, duly elected after Nujoma retired; Sata of Zambia elected after former president Banda's party lost elections in September 2011; Tanzania's president took over from president Mkapa after his term came to an end; so where do 'dictators' come in? You're free to dislike the ANC but don't peddle lies. These kinds of reckless statements by people like you are what fuel the divide between the races in SA. TWIT! SHADDUUP!

      Paul - 2012-01-08 12:06

      Quite right, Norah, facts are facts. Here's another one: nobody needs to peddle misinformation to discredit the ANC. The ANC is doing a great job of discrediting itself day after day, month after month, year after year. Most guys are just letting off a little steam here and many don't let facts get in the way of a good rant. But you and I know the truth, don't we? The ANC is out of control and seriously nosediving. The best we can do is hope and pray that it won't cause too many fatalities when it hits the ground. You sound like a clever lady -- change your allegiance before it's too late.

  • Johan - 2012-01-08 11:42

    Ok so I'm confused. Today the ANC is all holy about having the party founded in the church.... but it wasn't 2 weeks ago when Zuma accused Christianity (and with that the church) for being the cause of orphans and old age homes. So how does that work then?

  • Norah - 2012-01-08 11:57

    @all the negative commentators about the ANC here,especially @Kevin Sadie: we are so proud to be from a kraal! we know where we come from! where do you do you come from? scum of Europe chased away from their countries because they couldn't make it, even as failed farmers; sent to populate penal colonies and oppress the indigenous legitimate owners of the land. Unfortunately for you or your ilk, the ANC will rule for the next 100 years! If not the ANC, then another black majority party will govern SA - for ever! Never again will whites rule! You can moan and groan all you like, but that's all you can do, moan and groan!Didn't see you stand-up when our kids were being massacred in Soweto by your apartheid police; didn't see you join the ranks of anti-apartheid activists; sitting pretty in your plushy white suburbs, hoping apartheid would never end. Wake up and smell the coffee! we're to stay, kraal and all!! You can repair your ox-wagon for the trek back! I'll even give you two oxen!

      Johan - 2012-01-08 12:13

      Norah, are you a bushman or San? If not what makes you think you are a legitimate owner of the land? Because your oupa whiped his black ass with a fig leave 5 years before my grandfather did? Cry me a river. Yeah, we're sitting pretty in our suburbs. Funny though how more and more blacks seems to enjoy doing the same thing? So that arguement is null and void. How many rioting and stone throwing kids were killed in Soweto? Actually, how many blacks were killed by apartheid forces during apartheid all together? Research shows just over 500. How many FARMERS ALONE (not and other white person, just farmers) have been killed since the start of the "New South Africa" in 1994? Close to 4000. Is there an outcry from blacks protesting against this silent genocide? Nope. So again, arguement null and void. Whites don't care what colour party rules the country, we really don't. Import some Mexicans if you want!! All we want is for them to do a decent job. The ANC is not. With those two oxen you'll give, can you sommer include every single piece of technology you own as well? When you drive to work in your (white developed) German or (white developed) European car, try to avoid all tar roads and stick to the cattle paths as we brought you tar roads as well. I really pity you, as deep down you much have SUCH an inferiority complex, knowing how things really are, but you are too stuborn to admit it. You must know that the way the ANC are runnings things is not maintainable.

      Paul - 2012-01-08 12:43

      I am white, Nora, and I have absolutely no problem with a black majority government. But remove the corruption, stupidity, greed, double-talk and the sheer incompetency. That means the ANC is disqualified immediately. By the way, I publically stated my views against apartheid in the 1980's and I got locked up for it. Where were you? I'm truly sorry to say that I sided with the (then banned) ANC. This is not about kraals and ox wagons, my dear; your reasoning clearly and simply reveals your massive inferiority complex. I have no urge to offend you like did me. My family has added value to this country for over 300 years yet you deny me the right to call myself African. Come on Norah, be fair.

      Anthony - 2012-01-08 12:45

      norah name one constructive thing the anc government has acccomplished for all its citizens

  • rory.short1 - 2012-01-08 12:03

    Sad the ANC has not really lived up to the expectations of the ordinary citizen. Many members of the ANC have been too busy serving themselves to have the time or energy to serve the public.

  • H.Les.Mitchell - 2012-01-08 12:18

    The ANC parties on, no expense spared, and the people of South Africa are still waiting for their "government" to build houses, hospitals and schools; to create employment, to erase poverty. What the ANC promises itself, it makes sure it gets. What the ANC promise the people of South Africa... never happens.

  • Vaal-Donkie - 2012-01-08 12:18

    Pax Africana.

  • Norah - 2012-01-08 12:45

    @Johan, let's fight this battle out at the ballot box! Winner takes all! We shall see who will win - again and again and again!

      Johan - 2012-01-08 13:08

      Ok cool. Just give the whites about 30 years to BREED AND BREED AND BREED at the pace that even bacteria would be envious of. The only reason blacks rule is because there are so much of them, for no other reason. The world is seeing it ass for one reason only. The rate that mostly blacks make babies. Blacks will ALWAYS be poor, do you hear me? Why? Because they breed FASTER than what anyone can create jobs for them. Don't blame whites for this, that's your own doing. Having said that, whites are black's biggest benefactor. WE'RE the ones setting up program after program and "half way houses" for thrown away black kids. Whites are bending over backwards to help the poor hungry little black faces. What have rich blacks done to help poor white communities? FKall? Let me put that to you in another way. Go fk yourself. PS: Is this comment you made here the best rebuttle you could come up with? Please take your childish, schoolyard (if you can find one not burned down by black kids), inferiority complex and go elsewhere. Please shut down that computer, Bill Gates is a very white guy. Send some smoke signals or a message pigeon instead if you want to say something.

      Johan - 2012-01-08 13:14

      To add onto my previous comment. The ANC needs whites. They need to have someone to blame for their own stuff-ups. Flashing the "apartheid card" gets you out of any stuff-up, every time. Blacks dislike whites, because deep down they are scared of whites and the posibilities and abilities we have. They are scared that if whites come to power we'll bring apartheid back or something, a myth pushed by the ANC. And another thing. Something which blacks seems to love going on about, and I see you are the same, is to be vocal about "we are ruling now, till Jesus comes back, whites will never rule again", etc etc and stuff like that. Norah, tell me now from a black perspective. Does saying that make you feel more important? Does it fuel your misplaced sense of belonging in this world? It is pretty pathetic you know, its like a fat kid in pre-primary showing off with a new toy. Pride, Norah, is something that you'll never have. What you have is misplaced anger and jealousy that you are confusing for pride. Whether "you" rule the country or not, I still think you are pretty pathetic and sad.

      Johan - 2012-01-08 13:25

      Let whites withhold all their tax money, then we'll see who's whining. Oh, and same question to you. Is your comment the best you could come up with? Haai shame.

      nspaynter - 2012-01-08 14:05

      The ballot box is an integral part of democracy. In the past South Africa it was only available to people who had a white skin which was wrong. Now it is available to all South Africans. That is what the ANC quite rightly fought for. But what is true democracy? You imply winner takes all. Is that right? I cam across this quote on BBC: "The measure of a true democracy is not just how well it represents the will of the majority, but also by how effectively it safeguards the fundamental rights of minorities within the population."

      Beetroot - 2012-01-08 14:10

      Well said Graziella! Your true colours shine through with being the typical racist loser who has no solutions to anything apart from promoting your anti white sentiment. You are a child and have no depth to utter your 2 cents worth on this forum.

      nspaynter - 2012-01-08 14:12

      If you claim that winner takes all and to hell with the minorities, you're no better than the supporters of the old apartheid regime.

      Garth - 2012-01-08 14:15

      @grazingella - your favourite athlete is Mike `the best punch I ever threw, was the one that knocked Robin Givens out' Tyson? Ahaa, ahee, ahoo, ahaa, ahee, ahoo. Miss politically correct, political science student admires a women beater and rapist. Wow . . . you're so clever.

  • Joseph - 2012-01-08 14:16

    My fellow white South Africans, ANC will be in power for a very long time. If we genuinely love this country, please, let us stop creating confusion amongst our kids. Let us not mislead our kids. They have no other home than South Africa. It is a fact that as whites, we benefited from the evilness of apartheid and it is our responsibility to practically play a role in ensuring that we change the racial divide that still exist in this country. Let us support the ANC centenary celebration. Frankly, DA has nothing to offer; let us join ANC and share our know how to map out the plan for the brighter South Africa. It is important to point out that to be white does not translate into being skillfull. White South Africans (us)acquired skills over the years simply because opportunities were reserved for us only.

      Garth - 2012-01-08 14:38

      If you are a white, I shall eat my stinking leather hat.

      nspaynter - 2012-01-08 14:41

      Joseph, first of all a one party state is dangerous. We need an effective opposition. However I am totally against parties who are perceived as favouring a particular race group in SA. Race has almost destroyed our country. But the only completely non racial party we have at the moment is the ACDP but a Christian only party is also a big problem. I see the ANC losing ground over the next few years unless there is a radical change in it's policies. There were some good signs from 1994, but their turning point and backward steps were made at their Polokwane conference where the die-hard strugglists regained control. Sorry, that's not the ANC I want to belong to. The former Afrikaner Nationalist Party also grew out of a struggle and thus favoured only their own people. They did get around to changing their policies and as a result I actually started voting for them. I supported the ultimate decision in opening up the vote to all. But now the Nat Party is history. It outgrew it's purpose. Either the ANC clings to it's struggle mentality or it transforms into a party that wants to serve ALL South Africans and get back on to the road of making this country a nation to be proud of. I am tired of being known as a white. I just want to be a South African!

      nspaynter - 2012-01-08 14:47

      Joesph, a few years ago I had the fantastic opportunity of attending a lecture on African Americanism at the U. of Ca in Davis. After the lecture my host took me forward to meet the African American lecturer. He smiled at me as he spoke to others. When it was my turn my host started introducing me. As soon as he heard that I was from South Africa the hand dropped, smile disappeared and he turned his back on me and walked out. His students, both black and white, saw this and we all landed up in the cafeteria and discussed his bad behaviour and racialism in modern America. They were all tired of living with past prejudices and wanted to move into the future as just plain Americans. I pray that our young South Africans will take on the same attitude.

  • postma.roland - 2012-01-08 17:07

    Look everyone in South Africa, brought democracy to our people, Apartheid was wrong, but the real sad part, is the ANC!. I'm not saying this because the're mostly black, but because what they stand for and what they have done in the 18 years of democracy!. When I LOOK at all your comments, they are all the same, all black south Africans say the same thing and all White South Africans say the same thing!. We have to start new, we have democracy, so change will happen. For black reader in a democracy land it's normal for change, for example the DA might win. And that's fair. that's democracy. But the part that makes me scared, is the ANC and it's supporter won't be happy about a change in government!. Why? If you are not ready to face this and accept this, you didn't then fought for democracy, democracy means freedom of speech, so yes we have the right to vote and ask how that politics' got the money and spent it?! Or even to vote for a different party, the ANC is not the only party in South Africa. All I'm saying, does the majority of ANC supporter understand the definition of democracy? Look and don't support the ANC because they are black or they support the same religion. Democracy is a white man thing, simple we invented it. You have to vote for a party, on what they can do for you, the service they give for all South Africans.

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