ANC rejects Malema's recusal request

2011-08-31 22:21

Johannesburg - The ANC's disciplinary committee refused an application brought by youth league president Julius Malema for the recusal of three of its members, a spokesperson said on Wednesday.

It found that insufficient facts had been presented to show bias or a perception of bias by chairperson Derek Hanekom, Mining Minister Susan Shabangu and Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane, ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said in a statement.

He said the disciplinary hearings had been adjourned until Friday to give the committee time to decide on Malema's application for the charges to be dropped.

It would deliver its ruling in this matter at 09:00 on Friday.

Malema has been brought before the disciplinary committee on charges of bringing the ANC into disrepute and sowing divisions in ANC ranks.

He recently said the African National Congress Youth League would send a team to Botswana to consolidate local opposition parties and to help bring about regime change, as it believed the government there was "in full co-operation with imperialists" and undermining the "African agenda".

Charged with him are ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu, deputy president Ronald Lamola, treasurer general Pule Mabe, secretary general Sindiso Magaqa and deputy secretary general Kenetswe Masenogi.

All except Shivambu would appear before the committee on Friday, said Mthembu. His disciplinary hearing had been postponed to a later date, he said.

On Wednesday, Shivambu said Malema would consult with his lawyers before his next appearance.

On Tuesday, groups of youths purportedly supporting Malema and his four colleagues threw rocks, bottles and bricks at journalists and police in the Johannesburg CBD.

The violence subsided after Malema addressed them.

A small number of supporters marched in the streets around the ANC's Luthuli House headquarters, where the hearings are being held, on Wednesday.

They whistled, blew vuvuzelas, pointed at the building and shouted "voetsek" at policemen.

  • Ken J May - 2011-08-31 22:36

    Banana Republic, Act 475 Scene 1002!

      Darwinian - 2011-08-31 23:49


      McDaNife - 2011-09-01 07:40

      I am already disappointed, I know which way this would go. I wish we had someone like Thabo Mbeki a no nonsense president. I know a lot will disagree with me on this.

      ReThan - 2011-09-01 07:53

      No we need another Mandela type person, but that could take many years.

      DW - 2011-09-01 08:25

      Mandela was a statesman who was more personality than hard worker. We all loved him, but our economy crashed badly whilst he was at the helm. Mbeki was a clever man who understood economics and did a world of good for our economy. Pity about his AIDS and Mugabe stance, though. But I do think that so far he has been the best president. Zuma is indecisive. He doesnt seem to stand for anything in particular and is swayed by whoever he is speaking to at the time. Although very shrewd, he lacks understanding of consequences of his actions (and inactions), probably more because of his lack of education than lack of intelligence. The ANC needs to learn the lessons of the past from all 3 of these men and appoint someone who can do a really good job next time. Our country is at a point where it desperately needs this. The next presidential appointment will make or break this country.

      Fakmore - 2011-09-01 08:33

      "ANC does not eat its own children" - CDE Julius Juju Malema, August,2011

      blondetopaz - 2011-09-01 08:35

      i agree with McDaNife and DW. Mandela [bless him] did not have the economical savy that ol Thabs had. Thabs must be bursting inside with glee at the recent events of T-shirt burning. i know- I WOULD BE!!!

      saabnut - 2011-09-01 09:08

      @ McDaNife: You may be surprised at just how many people support that sentiment. Whether we like it or not, for all his faults, Mbeki is at least educated, and in the main, acted like it...

      SpetsnazLaz - 2011-09-01 10:09

      We need a competent president....... Perhaps a white one.

      Nero - 2011-09-01 10:45

      The biggest scripted reality show in SA at the moment. Don't let them take the focus off the Protection of Information Act. They are all enjoying a nice Johhny Blue and a cuban inside while all eyes are diverted off the real issues. This is Malema doing what he is getting paid to do by the ANC.

      Wired - 2011-09-01 11:23

      @ Fakmore.. the ANC may not eat their children as Julius says, but it does eat the food off its own childrens plates and lets them starve

      victorp - 2011-09-01 12:11

      Dear ReThan, What did Mandela do for South Africa, what did he build, He legalised the murder of innocent babies-Abortion and you think he is a hero?

      alicia - 2011-09-01 14:42

      I am not giving up hope that we will see Justice and sanity prevail in this case. We dare not stop hoping. If we do, we are all lost. Justice for All who dare to laugh in it's face.

      debrakayestylist - 2011-09-01 17:27

      Like "Moeletsi Mbeki FOR President" on facebook, his appointment will be the difference we desperately need right now!

  • veld66 - 2011-08-31 22:40

    Malema is just a nightmare!!!! i felt sick seeing those thugs toyitoying for him yesterday...Hmmmmmm they live in shacks & he lives in Sandton!!!! paradox

      Doorboot - 2011-09-01 07:23

      Bit of a chip on the old shoulder there motsokwi? Maybe time to get over yourself mate.

      Nicolai - 2011-09-01 08:21

      Am I being way out of line, by suggesting that maybe Africa is not ready for Democracy or Freedom? Africa WANTS a dictator. In a Democracy where people vote for the one stealing their money to buy Luxuries, taking the food out of the poor peoples mouths to buy themselves holidays...and the only thing the poor not these facts....but when these dictators promises a better future for them...

      Fakmore - 2011-09-01 08:35

      You felt sick watching the ANCYL supporters, but lucky for you, you had the great antidote of feeling proud watching Armed Rebels in Lybia shooting into the air in support of Nato bombings!!!!

      Cheq - 2011-09-01 09:30

      No not a nightmare, he was born a mistake which makes him a how many of those people outside Luthuli House are actually employed let alone professionals and from the behaviour, work out the math....oops, for all the thumbs down response I forgive you for your illiterateness... This idiot thrives on the poor and unemployed and he will survive as long as he has they support and unfortunately that unemployment rate is just goodbye South Africa....EVERYREADY BOB ZIM coming up...

      Nathan - 2011-09-01 10:06

      Fakmore - you're WAAY off on the Libyan rebels vs ANCYL supporters. The Libyan people have been truly oppressed for over 20 years and now finally have a chance to rule their own country in exactly the same way that the ANC took control when Mandela was released. So how is it that ANCYL supporters are "freedom fighters"? Who is oppressing them? Who is making life difficult for them? The ANC??? Zuma? Each one of the ANCYL supporters had the opportunity to vote their party into power and no that they are in power they are not happy? And yet they don't mind that Malema buys expensive cars, lives in big houses and makes millions from seemingly corrupt dealings? If the ANCYL was genuinely concerned about freedom and poverty alleviation they would turn their attention to helping the poor rather than rioting for rich Malema. Why do we not see campaigns to help fellow South Africans by ANCYL??? What is the goal of ANCYL in the first place anyway??? To form a new MK??? Terrorism against ANC??? Seems like a sad misguided cult that is undemocratic and does not support the spirit of the struggle or all the hardwork the ANC put in for 30 years to get this country to where it is now.

      SpetsnazLaz - 2011-09-01 10:11

      @motsokwi Please go and read this:

      reader1 - 2011-09-01 10:27

      @SpetsnazLaz - wow excellent article. I wish everybody would read it.

      SpetsnazLaz - 2011-09-01 11:43

      @reader1 In a perfect world only.... I agree, everyone should read it including our top officials in our government.

      CalamitySA - 2011-09-01 12:11

      Nicolai - AFRICAN CULTURE is dictatorship and corruption - and not accepting losing an election. From 50's - Mau Mau, through the Portugese colonies, Amin, etc etc. History just repeating itself. This read with the findings of Dr James Watson - and there you are. Look at our leaders for an example!!

  • Phaedioux - 2011-08-31 22:44

    What happened to the earlier article that reported that the procedures involved in laying the charges were flawed and that the ANC were considering dropping the charges?

      Macho Mike - 2011-08-31 22:47

      Eish, maybe the report itself was flawed? But hau, me thinks Chief ANC saw News24 and gave orders for story to be removed............

      Phaedioux - 2011-08-31 22:56

      I found it tucked in the right hand side of the 'adjourned article!

      Christelle - 2011-08-31 23:01

      They still mention it in this article - lower down they say they will be giving a verdict early on Friday on whether to drop the charges on Malema's request. This is the time for all right minded South Africans to stand together for a change and PRAY that they do not drop the charges. It would be a travesty if this case does not proceed in the manner it should. I wonder why Malema has such and issue with the 3 committee members?

      Christelle - 2011-08-31 23:11

      @Nasdaq7 - in other words, they are against SA following the long line of African failures:-)

      Nasdaq7 - 2011-08-31 23:11

      Christelle because Malema thinks Derek Hanekom is white, an imperialist.

      Bob - 2011-08-31 23:19

      It is malema himself that said after the proceedings to day that the charges will be dropped, but i doubt it.

      Christelle - 2011-08-31 23:32

      hmmmm - I don't think it was him Bob - it seems as if the committee guys are reviewing...........I certainly hope you are right

      john - 2011-08-31 23:55

      Heh, I don't think Malema would be dumb enough to protest at Hanekom's skin colour. The non-racial ANC would have him for breakfast if he did that. Christelle, as near as I can figure, all three of the panel members are/were involved in areas where Malema is controversial: Hanekom (agricultural land), Shabangu (mines), Chabane in the Presidency (Malema yesterday identified Zuma as the "enemy"). So JuJu probably feels that he will be judged on what he has said in those policy areas and against the President rather than what he said on Botswana. Which, ostensibly anyway, is the sole subject of this case. And, to be fair, he has a point. If this was a jury trial, all three panel members would probably be disqualified from the jury and replaced by people with less history and involvement in extraneous issues.

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-08-31 22:51

    They have to charge him. If he gets away with this, he will become bold and try even more outrageous behavior. He causes embarrassment time and time again. Why is the ANC keeping him in their party? Suspend him as you promised to do last year. At least past the next election.

      Harry1 - 2011-09-01 06:35

      Strange to see how much support the ANC is getting from commentators in this forum. Almost like a neighbour who refuses to speak to your family but when there are problems in your household, he runs to the fence and is the first to shout "Moer hom".

      blondetopaz - 2011-09-01 08:39

      lol at Harry1. Hey guy - i am that neighbour - i'll even supply lemonade if its a hot day....

  • Macho Mike - 2011-08-31 22:52

    Eish, what a circus this event is becoming. We all saw the riots in England, now we have our very own on our doorstep. In London they started because of the shooting of a man - in SA they started because a man was to be disciplined. The mind she boggles, the ANC she toggles, and the world she watches through her goggles.

  • Chris - 2011-08-31 22:55

    With a bit of legal two stepping and some political jiving this matter can go on for years. Malema has made a fool of the top brass of the ANC and he seems set to keep on doing it.

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-08-31 23:19

    Numnuts is trying to run away from an overdue hiding! The question is,do the ANC have THE GUTS to act against the runt of the litter?

  • burtfred - 2011-08-31 23:23

    I have it on good, well-connected NEC authority, that Malema is toast. So all you good, clever people, go to bed now. You need your beauty sleep.

      Christelle - 2011-08-31 23:49

      I hope your connections have their ducks in a row with their inside info.

      iDubula - 2011-09-01 08:16

      He already has started his own movement - the Bowl Movement...

      KB - 2011-09-01 09:05

      Malema probably has so much dirt on these guys, they are probably all very scared of him blowing the whistle on illicit activities and corruption and who knows what else they have all been involved in... Especially Zuma! Let see I am not convinced that anything will come of these proceedings

  • Mulder - 2011-08-31 23:36

    burtfred I hope you are well connected.

  • motsokwi - 2011-09-01 00:09

    They didn't satisfy your wishes did they?

      Raven - 2011-09-01 00:58

      WTF are you on about? Your question makes no sense and posting it thrice...dude give it a rest

      Shrike - 2011-09-01 04:13

      @Motsokwi.... You bloody agent..... Get out!!!!!! We do not need ANCYL agitators disrupting this forum......besides I went to check out the other side of the story at the Sowetan website......turns out they don't like Juju any more that the people here.....

      radarblip - 2011-09-01 06:03

      @Raven and Shrike: i think Motsokwi's post is just being duplicated by the news24 server or something. it seems to be happening to alot of people.

      Boxxer - 2011-09-01 06:18

      Either that or he knows just much as Government, which is very little.

  • worldnews - 2011-09-01 00:42

    Malema is is nothing short of an ignoramous. What 1 thing has he ever done to improve South Africa. Nothing. Kick him out of the ANC let him wander the political wilderness until he does something stupid enough..which he will... to be locked behind bars for life. he is just a punk...nothing more.

      Jamesons - 2011-09-01 02:27

      I dont think the reputation of the ANC will look good if they dont get rid of him. Melema has given the ANC emblim a real bad name and a racist one too. Come ANC, lets see you act as a true goverment that can govern, get rid of Melema. He has done nothing but divide people/ countries / even you the ANC.

  • Tokoloshelover - 2011-09-01 03:28

    Are we allowing the wool to be pulled over our eyes? I don't believe this is a disciplinary hearing. It's a negotiation, they are deciding how to divide up the countries wealth among them. There are too many grubby paws in the honey pot and they have gotten to the point where they must organize the looting. I will be proved right when Malema wins the appeal and he gets off with a slap on the wrist or a supposed slap on the wrist. From here on in corruption will get much much worse!

  • Philip Kleynhans - 2011-09-01 05:58

    Malema is still controling the ANC. Why? Zuma and his assosiates is to weak

      Blip - 2011-09-01 06:30

      Gosh! Your English is up there with Juju's woodwork, it seems!

      blondetopaz - 2011-09-01 08:42

      Zuma might have a pair, but he lacks a backbone. Oh wait - maybe a weak one - else how does that shower stay up there?

  • Prof - 2011-09-01 06:30

    The focus is on Malema now. What happened to the Lease case for Gwen Mahlangu Nkabinde and Bheki Cele? He decided to fly to Norway instead of resolving these issues. Believe you me everything is just swept under the carpet.

  • ANC support - 2011-09-01 07:03

    I and a million other are walking around with this sick feeling on our stomach, knowing that our goverment can noy even deal with such a blatent problem, simply because they also have to much to loose should the people in trouble start talking!

  • Peter-John Botha - 2011-09-01 07:30

    This is just another scene from the ANC circus. Nothing but a sham and, as usual, nothing will ever happen to the guilty ANC / ANCYL ‘politicians’ because they all cover each other’s asses. At best, Malema will receive a ‘token’ slap on the wrist and he will be free to F-up South Africa even more than he already has. Before the Whites came to Africa, the Africans had nothing. Where will the ANC be in a few years after they take everything away from the Whites? Nowhere, South Africa will revert back to the way it was before the White colonialists set foot in Africa (just like Zimbabwe) and another African country holding out their hands to the rest of the world. It may take longer for them to F-up South Africa but they WILL do it.

      Nathan - 2011-09-01 10:19

      I don't think the ANC has fcked up the country - in fact they have made it a bit better. At least now South Africans of all colours can stand together behind a soccer team called Bafana Bafana and all colours and races support the Springboks. SA has also mostly missed the carnage that is happening in the developed world from the financial crisis. It is really bad there - everyone is worried sick about their jobs, about losing their houses to the bank and having all of their pensions and lifesavings go up in smoke. We have a lot of crime, but we don't have to worry about buses exploding, aeroplanes flying into us or suicide bombers on the Gautrain. It's a lot more serious there than you think. We don't have those worries in SA. Different worries true but it is definitely a better country. If nothing else we have gained a sense of national unity. And we won't go into the African blackhole because we have a ruling elite that had nothing and fought for 30 years to run this country. We have good and improving infrastructure and the vast majority of people want to make this country work. It's all skewed - a small minority gets a lot of press coverage and people then think that this is representative.

  • kleinkoppi - 2011-09-01 07:35

    So does this mean that if the ANC drops the charges against him, the Hawks wont investigate further as well.... I think we all know the answer to that one...

      P-JB - 2011-09-01 12:39

      It will be like everything else. Dockets will go missing, witnesses will disappear or refuse to testify. Police will not do their jobs correctly. Some or other ‘technical’ issue will prevent them from sending this corrupt, fraud to jail. Everything will get swept under the carpet and we will be expected to believe any BS that they utter. Banana Republic

  • justice_seeker - 2011-09-01 07:36

    Reading all the comments here I think Mr Malema has united a large majority of this country irrespective of political alliance or colour behind the ANC. I have come to the conclusion that Mr Malema feels nothing for this country or it's people. Thinking back to the World Cup ( and please correct me if I am wrong ) not once did he speak encouragement to our team ? I am betting he won't be supporting our Sprinkgboks today. Please ANC DC - The youth of this country need a leader will encourage and support them - education etc. get rid of this monster before he and his cronies destroy our country.

  • Robby - 2011-09-01 07:36

    "Comrades!" he cried. "You do not imagine, I hope, that we are doing this in a spirit of selfishness and privilege? Many of us actually dislike milk and apples. I dislike them myself. Our sole object in taking these things is to preserve our health.

      nicolene1 - 2011-09-01 15:08

      HAHA yes because Heineken disfigures you!

  • Noname - 2011-09-01 07:42

    People still do not seem to get it. Julius Malema is not a passing annoyance, a wayward youth the African National Congress (ANC) disciplinary committee will address sooner or later. He is a radical. He speaks for a permanent extremist tendency in political life that has no clear agenda — save the overthrow of the existing system. Bad times are its closest ally , disorder is its time-honoured method. The ANC fathered and fosters this uncontrollable issue: Mr Malema is the son of its arcane debate between a national democratic revolution and national socialist revolution. Whether that revolution is hard left or far right counts for little in the outcome. Some enemies see Mr Malema as a potential Adolf Hitler. He declares himself a Leninist these days. Take your pick. Either way, he assured his violently inclined followers in Joburg yesterday that the y outh l eague speaks for the poorest of the poor. He wore the requisite Che Guevara beret — though, unlike Che, he appears more like the "robber barons" of unfettered US capitalism a century or so ago. Do you suppose those who support him care? Behind the wheedling speeches, the self-pitying defiance in the face of possible martyrdom, Mr Malema is hardly the choice of "the poor". He is the product of SA’s unstable party-state democracy, a hybrid that reduces contest in political life to elite in-fighting and integrity in public life to demagoguery.

      Murray - 2011-09-01 13:40


  • Daemos1 - 2011-09-01 07:47

    The pres is globe trotting while this is going on? ja ne

  • KBHS - 2011-09-01 07:57

    Perhaps someone could clarify the following: If Julius Malema is being represented / assisted by an advocate, is there also an advocate present on the side of the ANC? I certainly hope so, as it is extremely difficult for a "legally inexperienced layman" to argue against a well versed legal professional such as an advocate - especially when it comes to legal technical issues. I would like to assume that the ANC disciplinary committee has access to seasoned legal experts on their side? And that these legal experts were involved when the charges were formulated? It would also be very interesting to hear in what sense "proper procedure was not followed".

  • salome.bezuidenhout - 2011-09-01 08:07

    The ANC top structure should rather engage in soccer, netball, rugby or cricket, at least we will all know that they have one ball.

  • Mabhedla - 2011-09-01 08:08

    I wish Msholozi should let it rip with this ANCYL spoilt brats, enough of these disrespectful and illiterate so-called leaders of the youth league, show them the door Zuma, can't wait to seeing them crawling out like headless chickens...

      Daemos1 - 2011-09-01 08:31

      Msholozi's too busy attending seminars in Norway our president should be present

  • MikeL01 - 2011-09-01 08:21

    Who is footing the legal bills for the defendants, I wonder?

  • Kev - 2011-09-01 08:23

    Strikers require permission to "protest" in the street. Who gave these clowns permission? Lock them all up for public disturbance and destruction of property.

  • VELOCITY - 2011-09-01 08:32

    Old news, this was dealt with on Monday already.

  • Ndlovu - 2011-09-01 08:58

    Democraty ... to me it looks like they do not understand the issue.. Democraty is also expression of meanings, free speaking about everything... even when it is "uncomfortable" to some people or party's.. What is ongoing in SA is "DEMOCRAZY" I don't like Malema.. but also he has the right of expression, the right of a free "word"

  • Nikelle - 2011-09-01 09:20

    I Feel sorry for Floyd Shivambu, he doesnt know it yet but they going to use him as the scapegoat...And Malema is going to walk away ..... I Really hope I'm wrong but I doubt it ....

  • Mzilikazi - 2011-09-01 10:22

    Whilst at it, maybe JZ and Chair of the AU can charge NATO for bringing the AU in disrepute by attacking their neighbour without a full mandate. Sarkozy and Cameroon can then be charged separately for their actions...

  • PetJac - 2011-09-01 10:43

    Why repeat the same story over and over again.Can't the blacks remember why he has been disciplined.

  • anjwabane - 2011-09-01 11:11

    school has a big role that its play on human behavior, being lead by a blind leaders will lead us sunsation but anyway ANC must not be bias when it comes lay some charges to what our youth president has done

  • 2shy2call - 2011-09-01 11:51

    Waist of time they gonna be aquited.

  • victorp - 2011-09-01 12:07

    African Agenda, destroy, burn, steal, murder, rape

      middelvinger - 2011-09-01 12:13

  • victorp - 2011-09-01 12:13

    VP again what we really need is a H F Verwoerd

  • BloodRiver - 2011-09-01 13:17

    I see the fat little gwat now wears a beret. Hahahaha!!!

      Ripley - 2011-09-01 14:28

      Thanks for enlightening me ..... I thought that thing on his head was a cow flop !

      Janine - 2011-09-01 23:11

      For an hysterical moment I thought that he was wearing a very bad wig!

  • Murray - 2011-09-01 13:30

    A lot of people who comment here bring up race, and I don't always agree that this is a race issue. At the end of the day there are a LOT of black companies paying a lot of tax, there are a LOT of black companies that import and export and rely on foreign investments.. Tis has nothing to do with Whites, it is black youths, throwing bottles at black police, governed by black government being funded by a lot of black money.. Hey, it was black people who voted in Mugabe and it was black people whokept him there while they blamed the whites for taking everything and now they are just taking back what was theirs.. carry on.. soon you will have nothing left and you can blame yourselves for voting in these clowns. I have a lot of black friends and they just shake their heads.. Malema will beat this and Zuma will not be voted back into power, our leadership is shot to hell. Who do the people of SA have to lead them now.. it is a very short line.

  • nicolene1 - 2011-09-01 15:04

    how can they drop the charges of'sowing divisions in the ANC' after the last 2 days' stunts?You cannot say he's innocent of this while watching your own youth league burn your flag and then their leader come out and say ' we will be radical and militant and we don't fear anyone"??? I really hope they nail this little fat boy and his cronies

  • turbodosis - 2011-09-01 15:33

    They whistled, blew vuvuzelas, pointed at the building and shouted "voetsek" at policemen. voetsek..? first they rob the afrikaner of any chance at a successful prosperous future in SA... now they are stealing their words too!

  • debrakayestylist - 2011-09-01 17:26

    Like "Moeletsi Mbeki FOR President" on facebook, his appointment will be the difference we desperately need right now!

  • Big-D - 2011-09-01 21:59

    Why wait till Friday 09h00?? We all know which way these ball less "leaders" are going to go!!

  • Janine - 2011-09-01 23:12

    If the ANC continue with the disciplinary hearing and chuck Malema out of the party I will gain a modicum of respect for them.

  • mageziagreement.shirinda - 2011-09-02 07:02

    Hi souht africa my comment is to say this the people is not there by malema supporting some of them they supports of other parter's they have been there to destroy, to add more charge's to ANCLY MALEMA.Hi souht africa my comment is to say this the people is not there by malema supporting some of them they supports of other parter's they have been there to destroy, to add more charge's to ANCLY MALEMA. By AGREEMENT SHIRINDA

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