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ANC silent on Malema appeal

2012-01-23 12:27

Johannesburg - A veil of silence has been drawn over the appeal hearing of ANC Youth League president Julius Malema that reportedly got under way in Johannesburg on Monday morning.

ANC spokesperson Keith Khoza said party members were instructed not to comment on the hearing at Luthuli House.

"The media have been kept out, and we don't know anything about it. The media might receive information once the hearing is completed," he said.

ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu refused to comment.

"Don't trouble me with this. I will not say anything about the hearing."

Malema's advocate Dali Mpofu refused to confirm the hearing had begun.

"We are busy at the moment," he said.

Oral arguments

SABC radio news reported at 11:00 that the hearing was under way.

Oral arguments were scheduled to be presented at the hearing at ANC's Luthuli House headquarters.

Malema's lawyers submitted heads of argument to the ANC's national disciplinary committee of appeals last week. Advocate Patrick Mtshaulana said these detailed why Malema's five-year suspension should be overturned.

Malema and other senior ANCYL leaders were suspended in November last year after being found guilty of sowing division within the ANC and of bringing the party into disrepute. This was due to, among other things, comments made about bringing about regime change in Botswana.

Heads of argument were also filed for Shivambu, deputy president Ronald Lamola, treasurer-general Pule Mabe, secretary-general Sindiso Magaqa and deputy secretary-general Kenetswe Mosenogi.

Mtshaulana said they would try to convince ANC appeals committee chairperson Cyril Ramaphosa that they were not given a chance to argue in mitigation of their sentences.

They would also argue that disciplinary committee members, including chairperson Derek Hanekom and Mineral Resources Minister Susan Shabangu, should have recused themselves from the disciplinary committee which dealt with the matter. This was because they had previously publicly disagreed with the ANCYL's positions on land reform and the nationalisation of mines.

They would further submit that the verdict and sanctions relied on an outdated section of the ANCYL constitution.

Comments
  • CdeSganja - 2012-01-23 12:31

    All the best Malema and YL, we won't allow you to fall.Amandla

      Janice - 2012-01-23 12:46

      Hahahahahahahahaha, wait and see!!!

      procold2 - 2012-01-23 12:47

      and you can stop this?

      Jono - 2012-01-23 12:48

      Please let him fall hard...PLEASE!!!!!

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-23 12:49

      Your hero is going down for corruption though. He will be president. Of Cellblock D in suncity.

      David - 2012-01-23 12:55

      Someone better prepare to offer Juju some farming lessons. Just saw a picture of him in his nice blue shirt going walkabout on his farm. Clearly has NO clue about farming, or woodwork..or politics.. eish

      CdeSganja - 2012-01-23 12:55

      You can dislike my comment is fine I don't care. Even if is tough victory is certain....Economic freedom in our life time. I want a farm too.

      Michele - 2012-01-23 13:00

      I am afraid that this is only the start of his woes, next stop with be court for fraud and corruption charges and once that has gone through the house in Sandton and the farm will be taken away as they will be deemed as the proceeds from a crime committed. Your support of the man is noble though, at least you have not jumped ship like so many of his " friends " have.

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-23 13:09

      No, you want a farm for free :P

      trevor.charles3 - 2012-01-23 13:23

      just heard malema is deep in cow dung

      Sean - 2012-01-23 13:31

      @CdeSganja Economic freedom , lol !! I actually feel sorry for you ! Just look at your comrades from the Aurora mine , this is how they will treat all South Africans ! You must realy be dumb and uneducated if you believe anything these idiots promise you !!

      Sam - 2012-01-23 13:41

      Awethu

  • Gerhard - 2012-01-23 12:32

    They have no comment because they are probably sitting around inside telling each other jokes and chowing down on their Mega Bucket from KFC.

      Truth24 - 2012-01-23 12:38

      LMAO! Yea i can see that happening.

      Whitty - 2012-01-23 12:46

      And guess what the joke is...gerald

      dlawre30 - 2012-01-23 12:58

      For sure. I also what what they are going to lie about now. Probably keeping quite until they can all agree on the lies that will be told. Try to avoid the embarresment of the last lies about the "shadow" plane that followed Zuma.

      Motho - 2012-01-23 13:59

      Never heard such a lowsy comment, Gerhard. ARE YOU BORED?

      Gerhard - 2012-01-23 15:26

      *lousy

  • Heini - 2012-01-23 12:33

    They wont comment, because they wont keep to their word, an Malema will be re-instated.

  • Shirley - 2012-01-23 12:35

    Lets see if the anc have any b@lls!!!!

      Larry - 2012-01-23 12:43

      Shirley, they have already proved that they dont have Ball's, or guts, or Brains.

  • Phumi - 2012-01-23 12:40

    As the ANC we are not conserned about the rot happening in the News rooms and in any other mickey mouse organisation like the DA. Why are you people so conserned about the internal problems of our organisation?

      Gerhard - 2012-01-23 12:42

      It might have something to do with the fact that the ANC runs the country. Into the ground but you still run the country.

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-23 12:45

      What rot in the newsrooms? The attack on the media is merely a thinly veiled attack because of exposing corruption in the ANC.

      Garth - 2012-01-23 12:49

      SPUTUM THE ANC TROLL IS BACK.

      kobiester - 2012-01-23 12:51

      U are the mickey mouse organisation! Waste of our tax money and time! Please just remove urself from the WORLD and get someone competent to take over. Thanks

      Johan - 2012-01-23 12:51

      Because the ANC is a joke. And we all enjoy a good laugh.

      Michele - 2012-01-23 13:02

      Fancy that, when the party were a banned organisation then the press were all good and well, now that they rule then these same people are deemed as rotten ? tsk tsk tsk

      Phumi - 2012-01-23 13:09

      Why are also silent about the fact that after King Zwelithini said the "gays were rotten", the president responded to him by saying ""Today, we are faced with different challenges . challenges of reconciliation and of building a nation that does not discriminate against other people because of their colour or sexual orientation." But instead of putting that boldly in your newspaper you choose to spread and elivate a sponsored propaganda about what Mbeki said in his small corner and irrelevent podiums!

      Jason - 2012-01-23 13:10

      Because your organisation is busy f*cking up this country for us all, you idiot. Go back to School and ask for std 5 English re-write. If you for one second believe the anc has any sort of concern for your well being, best you think again chump - they couldn't give a flying f*ck for you, the un-educated, the poor, the hungry, the needy and the desperate. Catch a wake up!!

      Sean - 2012-01-23 13:34

      @ Phumi - Anc might have the support of the uneducated masses , but that`s it ! How uch money is missing in the Cape Province and how much money is missing in all the other ANC run provinces ? Do I need to say more ?

      JohanCStrydom - 2012-01-23 13:37

      What worries me is that you claim to be ANC, the governing body of our country, yet you cannot spell the word concerned on a site that spell checks for you...for shame! We are concerned with the fact that "you" actually have internal problems like these. period

      Honest - 2012-01-23 13:50

      Ehambayo ziyayikhonkotha , Emileyo ziyachamela !!

      Motho - 2012-01-23 14:04

      Phumi, this people are all jokes themselves because their forefathers stole land from the black people, who are the rightful owners. we also want farms and this is the reason why they hate MALEMA so much. WE WANT OUR LAND BACK.

      Juan - 2012-01-23 14:06

      Don't shoot the messenger! The rot as far as I can see is not happening in the news rooms.....

      hanlie.vandeventer - 2012-01-23 14:30

      The rot that is happening is within the ANC. They are a lot of corrupt officials taking from the poor and helping themselves. Everything they touch turns to rot. Eveerybody is concerbed about the internal problems because they are the people who needs to run the country and they cannot even sort out their own problems what to say a country or department or anything at all.

      Gerhard - 2012-01-23 15:33

      Motho, do you assume that all white people have farms? You can have my farm, my brother's farm, my father's farm. Oh wait, I don't have a farm. If you want my townhouse, come fetch it and don't forget to take over the mortgage. And my three by six garden should be more than big enough for five cows and a vegetable patch.

  • Sinudeity - 2012-01-23 12:44

    Hope you fall hard malema. You and the youth league.

      CdeSganja - 2012-01-23 12:51

      Your wishes wont come true Sinudeity Mlondozi.

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-23 12:53

      Sganja, dont worry, you can visit julius in jail.

      CdeSganja - 2012-01-23 13:00

      Who will put him in jail Sinudeity?

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-23 13:10

      Hawks/SARS/Public protector, one or all of those 3.

      CdeSganja - 2012-01-23 13:16

      "Hawks/SARS/Public protector, one or all of those 3."? All of them are dead snake

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-23 13:21

      No, julius is a dead snake. Thuli is going to kick malema's @ss.

      Deon - 2012-01-23 13:25

      It would not be wrong to pray that he get 10 years.

  • Gail - 2012-01-23 12:47

    I wish this lot would get a life and stop hogging all the press over a lot of rubbish. Who really cares. I agree with Heini, the ANC will fold again. Bet you he is reinstated. Let's all bow with respect to the ANC shall we! The present day party really upholds the ideals that Mr Mandela's era stood for don't they? Ha!

  • Piet - 2012-01-23 12:51

    I bet a KFC mega bucket he is going to get off!

      Dave - 2012-01-23 14:14

      Piet, you are on! lol....This is all politics, I dont think for a second fat pig Zooma is gonna let Piglet take away his 2 jets and olympic size feeding trough

  • Comrade - 2012-01-23 12:53

    MALEMA WHO ???

      CdeSganja - 2012-01-23 12:57

      "Malema who?" Malema our president, including you comrade.

      Sean - 2012-01-23 13:42

      @CdeSganja - Are you a comedian ?

      David - 2012-01-23 13:55

      The overweight woodwork veteran cum economic freedom fighter cum farmer. That one.

      Sean - 2012-01-23 19:55

      That fat f@ck doesn`t even know what a freedom fighter is !

  • Max - 2012-01-23 12:53

    The ANC is also silent on alot of other issues, how is this news worthy? Don't report if there is nothing to report on.

  • Garth - 2012-01-23 12:54

    The arrogance of the ineptocrats. `The media might receive information once the hearing is completed,' and we thought that we were living in a new, open, transparent democracy. NICE! You see, useless anc, you made this public. Your ignorants splashed this all over the news. This should therefore be open to public scrutiny; ESPECIALLY TO YOUR OWN IGNORANT SUPPORTERS, YOU DOLTS!

  • Edwin - 2012-01-23 12:56

    lol,what a load of donkey poo

  • idille.borchers - 2012-01-23 12:56

    Go for the jugular, Mr Ramaphosa!

  • Heinrich - 2012-01-23 13:02

    I agree. Appeal is a private thing.

  • DrGonzoSA - 2012-01-23 13:05

    The demise of the ANC will be much quicker if they let him back in. Fingers crossed

      Vegi - 2012-01-23 13:26

      Nothing rises and rises and rises forever. There is rise and fall of everything. Even the Sun may explode or fizzle away and dissappear one day. The ANC will definitely fall and be forgotten. The problem for you is that such an occurance will not take place in your lifetime, but only after a Thousand Years.

  • Melanie - 2012-01-23 13:10

    shyte!!! not a good thing to read just before lunch....gonna toss my cookies any minute

      CdeSganja - 2012-01-23 13:13

      Yes Melanie because you still have 'History' attitude, anyway we don't need you to read it.

  • Vegi - 2012-01-23 13:18

    The name Malema sends shivers down some people's spine. Did you commit any crimes that Malema may call you to answer for when he ascends the top office.

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-23 13:24

      Tenderpreneuring? President of Cellblock D in suncity. Nothing more.

      Motho - 2012-01-23 14:20

      Ask them again Vegi, and they must answer hey. WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF? LOOSING THE LAND THEY STOLE?

  • Phumi - 2012-01-23 13:23

    There only thing that the rectionary forces including the media as their spokesperson want is a divided ANC. By so doing it means that the ANC will be destracted and derail in raising pressing issues like economic margninalisation of blacks and the elephent in the room called 'land'. Come the 53rd conference in Mangaung we will elect leaders who will be more radical and sympathetic to our plight! Not the current ones who are dictated by foreing investors and Queen of England!

      dlawre30 - 2012-01-23 13:29

      You are delusional

      CdeSganja - 2012-01-23 13:29

      Amandla!!

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-23 13:31

      Come mangaung, and people will vote DA. Amandla!

      The-Azanian - 2012-01-23 13:47

      Awethu!!!

      JohanCStrydom - 2012-01-23 13:59

      Tisk tisk Phumi...you're really losing credibility here with your spelling..."By so doing it means that the ANC will be destracted and derail in raising pressing issues like economic margninalisation" - Do you honestly believe it is the media's fault? Don't you think that the reason they are not raising 'pressing' issues is because they have to deal with problems like these...We all should be happy that people like Malema are being put on trial, people like Malema are playing us all against each other...hopefully our children will fair better in working together towards the status our beautiful country deserves

      Motho - 2012-01-23 14:21

      ALUTA!

  • Hendrik - 2012-01-23 13:28

    It has taken a while for this to sink in but finally I think I can see the plan behind all this. Many Citizens of sound mind in this country were very happy with the outcome of the disciplinary enquiry. If one of the reasons qouted for the appeal is correct, that no argument in mitigation was heard, then I can see the plan here from the outset. The ANC Disciplinary hearing went through the motions to impose the penalty to bluff us all. Knowing full well that they had "left the door open" for a reversal of the decision once the appeal is heard. Later today or tomorrow we will hear that the decision has been overturned because the "accused" parties were not given the opportunity to plead in mitigation. Over and done, and on goes young Julius causing chaos in the world and further detroying any remote chances of foreign investment that might just have lead to more jobs.

      idille.borchers - 2012-01-23 14:03

      Nah, Cyril Ramaphosa is an astute thinker and will not let Julius off to cause any more economic damage than he has already done. If the original ruling is overturned it will be for a reason that neither you nor I have thought of. Like maybe to finish Zuma off and then deal with Julius later. Ultimately Julius will meet his moses because he is a bad influence on the uneducated youth. But because off the oppression the masses are experiencing under the present regime, he appears to be their saviour, little realising that they are only being used by him so that he too can get his snout into the trough before it runs dry. My money is on Cyril doing what is best for the country.

  • Dalai - 2012-01-23 13:30

    Silence of the lambs

  • The-Azanian - 2012-01-23 13:43

    Mzansi is easily shifting from democracy(info freedom) into china-like communism(secracy and manipulations) in the name of nyuku.

      whedwards1 - 2012-01-24 16:27

      Hey, Azanian go read "The three sisters of China", written by a Chineas women.Once you have read first hand the starvation,brutality and murder of the working classes you might think twice about this so called economic freedom.My guess is you will refuse to read this book and pass it of as propoganda. If you cant read then just go and ask any Zimbabwean, he will give you a first hand account.

  • rodfor1435 - 2012-01-23 13:44

    Probably sitting behind closed doors sipping on some Johnny Walker Green Label.......pretending to be busy.......

  • eradingoana - 2012-01-23 13:49

    This Malema thing is just a joke: "They would also argue that disciplinary committee members, including chairperson Derek Hanekom and Mineral Resources Minister Susan Shabangu, should have recused themselves from the disciplinary committee which dealt with the matter. This was because they had previously publicly disagreed with the ANCYL's positions on land reform and the nationalization of mines". Surely his Attorneys if they are attorneys are aware that they have to prove the influence of such disagreement in the outcome. They were not interested in mitigation because they expected the positive side and stayed away from presenting mitigation and now they have just realised their mistake and blame the committee obviously for why it did not force them to present the mitigating circumstances. I agree with overturning of the penalty because in an appeal even a harsher penalty could be applied. Let Ramaphosa overturn the suspension and rule on expulsion. In ANC, anything is possible, Malema might be acquitted.

      Honest - 2012-01-23 14:01

      We can speculate 24 Hours on the outcome of the appeal process , that will not force the outcome out of the Appeals Comittee until the process is finalised. Best we wait and see instead of predicting and accusing the ANC of how it will handle the matter , is there anything else to discuss?

  • Vegi - 2012-01-23 13:51

    The ANC should stop victimising Malema. Malema is spearheading a new direction at a time when our people were facing despare at the lack of economic transformation. The debate he started will only end with the implementation of what he espouses. His courage is an inspiration to future generations. Our children will read about his heroism and cherish his memory while cursing his detractors.

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-23 13:57

      A new direction? Mass tenderpreneuring? Enriching himself at the expense of the poor?

      carpejugulim - 2012-01-23 14:04

      Vegi ... who's socks have you been smoking?

      Gregory Jurgens - 2012-01-23 14:05

      Vegi for president. You have more sense than Zuma and JuJu combined.

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-23 14:07

      Vegi for president of Cellblock E!

      Albert - 2012-01-23 14:21

      Once, when you have economic freedom you`l find that you still have to work for a living.can you?

  • cestylianou1 - 2012-01-23 14:17

    I also want a farm

  • cestylianou1 - 2012-01-23 14:17

    I also want a farm

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-01-23 14:18

    Ah yes i see we have two idiots Sganja and Phumi. You two really deserve the darwin award along with the rest of you stupid ancyl and leaders. I dont know what mentality you all have that you want these corrupt and thieving idiots to be your leaders. One didnt even pass woodwork and the rest well i guess only grade7. What example are they setting for the youth of today?? None!! Typical comment by Sganja of I want a farm, u just want want want and are not determined to work for it. When u do get stuff just given to you u f*@k it up and cry for more. Your ANC leaders are running this country into the ground because of this corruption and living like fat cats, while ppl are starving and living in shacks. So the sooner u idiots catch a wake up and stop being brainwashed the better it will be for all SA. They all deserve to be suspendid and jailed and its time the president start hitting corrupt officals hard

      Motho - 2012-01-23 14:29

      Did the white farmers who own the whole of SA today in the form of farms work for them or their forefathers passed stolen land to them FREE OF CHARGE? PLEASE ANSWER ME BEFORE INSULTING PEOPLE WHO ARE THE VICTIMS IN THIS REGARD.

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-01-23 15:13

      @Motho:They have bought those farms and caltivated them and have got workers that have worked hard to maintain them. The white farmers are our bread and butter here in SA, look what has happened in Zim, chased the white farmer out, those farm lands have now gone to waste and the ppl are starving. Look whats happened to those farm lands that have been given back to black ppl here, they sell the land back to the farmer cause they do know how to maintain it and your government wont lift a finger to help them get started cause that money is going into there back pockets. All u hear on the news is we want this, we want that but yet you are not willing to work for it.

      Alfred - 2012-01-23 15:17

      Motho, I would love to spend a day in the parallel dimension you live in where "white farmers own the whole of SA". In fact you're just talking complete and utter garbage. http://www.stopboergenocide.com/160332.html If you're unhappy with the deals your forefathers made with Europeans then you're going to have to take it up with your ancestors. Not our problem that they took such a liking to shiny trinkets.

  • guy.goes1 - 2012-01-23 14:23

    The Anc appeal processes are not a court of law and therefore have their own rules to follow.It would be foolish to dismiss Malemas Message, he plays to a very disgruntled audiance. the shocking ineptitude from the cadres in every sfeer of our goverment will simply be wiped of the agenda with crude racism and anti white sloganering incerted. The mind boggling idea seems to be that whites steal all the money thats going around . A simple scan on where the moneydrain is look at the auditor generals report it speaks volumes.

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