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ANC takes on ConCourt over McBride

2011-04-13 22:35

Johannesburg - The Constitutional Court ruling which upheld the Citizen newspaper's appeal in a defamation case by former Ekurhuleni metro police chief Robert McBride, was a blow to "national unity", the ANC said on Wednesday.

"The ruling by the Constitutional Court reopens afresh the wounds of the many who suffered losses of their families, who were tried, banned, detained, maimed and killed," the party's secretary general Gwede Mantashe said in a statement.

"The freedom of speech victory claimed by the Citizen is an ephemeral one, which does not advance the cause of reconciliation and national unity the Truth and Reconciliation Commission sought to bring about."

The commission gave perpetrators of apartheid atrocities the opportunity to receive amnesty for their crimes, in exchange for full disclosure. Mantashe said the past could not be undone, but that the commission had given people hope.

Hasty denials

"In the case of comrade McBride, he appeared before the TRC, made [a] full disclosure, asked for pardon and was offered amnesty.

"The decision of the Constitutional Court suggests that the noble process afforded by our country, through the TRC, to individuals such as comrade McBride, including perpetrators of apartheid atrocities, has been tragically lost," he said.

The ANC urged South Africans to respect the findings of the court and equally respect the "traumatic TRC process" that granted amnesty to McBride and others, who had made full public disclosures and were pardoned.

"We should refrain from hasty denials of the outcomes of the TRC by forever calling those who appeared before it and were pardoned as murderers... without cause and concern for national unity and nation building.

"Let us not undermine the peace and reconciliation process afforded us," he said.

Damages

On Friday, the court held that the Reconciliation Act did not make the fact that McBride committed murder untrue. It found that the Act did not prohibit frank public discussion of his deed and did not prevent him from being described as a "criminal".

The Citizen's main appeal was upheld and the court dismissed McBride's cross-appeal. It nevertheless found the newspaper had defamed McBride by claiming falsely that he had not been remorseful.

McBride was afforded R50 000 for this, reducing his damages awarded by the lower court from R150 000.

The case stemmed from a number of articles and editorials published in the Citizen in 2003, questioning McBride's candidacy for the head of the Ekurhuleni metro police.

According to the articles McBride was unsuitable for the job because he was a "criminal" and a "murderer".

Comments
  • Bull Terrier - 2011-04-13 22:53

    Oh really now? so the ANC's little puppet's chanting to kill the boer is improving national unity and nation building? HYPOCRITES! Furthermore, the white man's face must constantly be rubbed in what has gone in the past yet the ANC does not like to be reminded of their past of bombing often (mostly) non-combatants in the past. apartheid was apartheid and bombing people in a bar was murder.

      Tc - 2011-04-14 06:54

      Lekomoisi, Do you believe anything that Mantashe says? Bull is right, does the ANC ever care about Reconciliation and the likes?

      nonduplume - 2011-04-14 06:54

      Seemes like Mantashe and his defenders have their heads up their @rse - Mantashe hasn't made a meaningful contribution to anything since being appointed as SG of the ANC.

      The Observer - 2011-04-14 07:00

      lekomonisi.”he saved them for peace and stability, maybe we should have thrown all the racist in the sea.” Nobody saved us. If it wasn't for the white man you would still be in your cage. Not you nor the anc ended apartheid , get that into your thick scull, no matter how you want to believe the history but it will remain true. during the entire apartheid time you where to scarred to take the gov on so used terrorism of which mcbride was one. He killed innocent people so he is a murderer. he didn’t kill police, or soldiers or the government people but innocent people for which he will burn one day irrelevant of this reconciliation crap. Then further you know and I know this truth and reconciliation things is a farce and nor even Mandela's sole idea. This was part of the agreement between the np & anc. If all people who was in jail, belonged in jail from both sides remained or went to jail there would not have been a anc politician out on the street and furthermore if the anc insisted in prosecuting the np cadres then there would not have been a deal and you would still live in a cage. Now Bull Terrier has a valid point to which you typically answered racist. Anc are hypocrites and this case shows that you lot cannot stand to lose and will change the rules to suit you. Get a life. And mcbride killed innocent people he is murder full stop.

      PB - 2011-04-14 07:58

      Give The Observer a bottle of Bells - Spot on dude.

      CheekySod - 2011-04-14 11:01

      This insanity will continue into the far future. The Reconciliation Act allowed the actual criminals of Apartheid to walk away blameless. The people that are still getting punished is the same people that suffered under Apartheid. The majority of the white population was against apartheid. The males were forced to do military duty for 2 years and then to do military camps totaling another 2 years. This military "duty" was one massive brainwashing session. During this military duty the viewpoints of Apartheid was force-fed to the young white males. Many of them were not old enough to drive. The ANC is using similar tactics with their youth. It may not be forced military duty but the social environment is as effective as the Apartheid style brainwashing. All whites are being made into this murdering, raping, thieving, brainless horde with cancerous skins in the current popular culture. They are getting called various derogatory names , "Boer" being one of the more friendly. Whites are being made into "Vermin that must be destroyed" South Africa has become the festering ground for the new justified racism. Black supremest viewpoints are the order of the day. Sadly, this is entering into political views more and more. The atrocities of apartheid is getting bigger with every re-telling. Supposed to be victims are competing to tell their inflated tales. Reality and accurate history is of no consequence any more. Sadly sanity has left the country.

      Noir - 2011-04-14 12:34

      @The Observer and all other racists: One can't help but laugh at the comments made on this website, after all is said and done all you will have to cling on is the blatant racism you display on this website on a daily basis. This doesn't help your cause, you hear Winnie yourself "Time will come when they know who we are...". I'm about done hoping for a win/win result in all of this, when will you ppl change? soon I hope or the likes of Winnie will see to it that you do. Most of the "level headed" (term used loosely) leaders in the ANC are either retired or have passed on, good luck to you lot, pity as not all whites are like you, just less vocal.

      Dan - 2011-04-14 15:50

      @ Thangy. I can't believe pure rubbish like you are still in this country. You are a pure racist and nothing better than that Winnie Mandela piece of scum. She should have been in jail a long time ago, but also protected by the corrupt ANC government. And if you are tot stupid (which you clearly are) to figure out why Winnie never went to jail - bacause at the time she probably had more support under the masses than Mandela, Mbeki and Zuma combined.

      CheekySod - 2011-04-14 15:58

      @ Thangy Your comment is a thinly veiled attempt at intimidation.

      Thangy - 2011-04-14 16:35

      @Dan Never expected any more from you, name-calling is the last resort of a dying argument and you say i speak rubbish?!? The same old story, cant make a point so resort to name calling, you are the racist and also a denialist. @CheekySod the old "swart gevaar" approach is really plaid out!

      chub - 2011-04-14 18:36

      Thangy, what is your point? When you use the term "you people", there is a derogatory tone to it.

      chub - 2011-04-14 18:36

      Thangy, what is your point? When you use the term "you people", there is a derogatory tone to it.

      Warren - 2011-04-14 19:58

      @ Thangy: It's funny how you always duck & dive the difficult questions. So here's another, just for fun: Do you think Robert McBride's best mate, Mr. "Wit Wolf" is also not a murderer? Remember, he was also exonerated by the T&R Commission for multiple murders... except ofcourse, his victims were innocent black people??? (Do you even know who he is???) And please, racists are NOT allowed to call others racist (even if they are)! Coz that makes them hyppocrite racists, as you are.

  • thinker - 2011-04-13 22:56

    Dear ANC, if you are serious about "national unity" sdmit Derby-Lewis to hospital.

      thinker - 2011-04-13 22:57

      sorry...admit not sdmit

      thinker - 2011-04-13 22:57

      sorry...admit not sdmit

      Francois - 2011-04-14 00:07

      Why? Derby-Lewis murdered Hani in 1993. Are you 1 of the 0.5% of whites who sympathise with this far-right murderer and hater, who still denies the evils of Apartheid? Derby-Lewis also liked to host Holocaust deniers. By the time Hani was killed, the struggle was over and 90% of whites were no longer denying the evils of Apartheid. It is a miracle that we got our peaceful transition given what this idiot did in 1993.

      Francois - 2011-04-14 00:11

      And please get a more apt name

      phillie - 2011-04-14 00:30

      You really are retarded in your grasp of history aren't you? Derby- Lewis never committed murder he only gave support to the man who killed Hani namely Janus Walus and by the way what is this "denier" that Lewis hosted? Denier is the thickness of nylon thread a far as I know.

      Shai-hulud - 2011-04-14 03:45

      Derby-Lewis was host to Holocaust denier David Irving in 1986 and 1987.

      Shai-hulud - 2011-04-14 03:45

      Derby-Lewis was host to Holocaust denier David Irving in 1986 and 1987.

      moiraine - 2011-04-14 06:56

      not that I care one way or another actually. But, whatever his crimes Derby-Lewis is eligible for both normal parole and medical parole, yet they refuse to give it to him. He is dying and does not get medical parole or treatment despite the fact that our dear friend Mr. Sheik has medical parole so he can live it up on the golf course. So, yes it is a valid point.

      daaivark - 2011-04-14 06:57

      Oh no. Derby-Lewis is as much an unapologetic killer as McBride. Lose the keys.

      John Wilderness - 2011-04-14 07:16

      This is exactly why SA will not overcome its challenges for a long time. ANCYL Africanist elements and those who support apartheid and this Derby-Lewis character or preventing SA from progressing towards becoming a stable productive society.

      Nunya - 2011-04-14 07:31

      @Francois...shut up and move to Soweto you ANC @ss kisser...How sorry is McBride for what he did. Dont you go speaking for the other 99.5% of South Africans, You must be a buddy of Shaik..idiot.

      Great White - 2011-04-14 07:34

      So Francois, it's OK to release ANC killers and other cadres, but it's a crime against humanity to release a far right whitey. Fight fair, man. Stop rolling over and wetting yourself. You can get all teary eyed and wring your hands over the evils of the world, but stop dishing out selective morality. One rule of law for all. That's all.

      Virginia - 2011-04-14 12:53

      Francois thanks to Mr de Klerk and the White nation of this country, that everything went off peacefully, we new what kind of Party the ANC was and was capable of, bomob would have been going off in our shopping centres and innocent people would have been dying because of greedy governments. The ANC has proved why they so desparately wanted to govern. Riches of the country, to suck the country dry and keep their people accustomed to the same way of life, th traditional way.

      Pupuzela - 2011-04-14 14:15

      Ag Francois, bring me a violin.

      Frangipani - 2011-04-14 14:22

      ANC "No, WE WILL NOT DO THAT,he is a murderer and a killer racist" lol...

      mark.molema80 - 2011-04-14 14:30

      No matter what Derby-Lewis did, or how reprehensible it is, he is still a human, and therefore, under the constitution of this country, should be afforded his basic human rights... Otherwise we are no better off than Zim, or Libya or whatever country seeks to undermine Human Rights... give him the care that he needs, as a human being...

      mark.molema80 - 2011-04-14 14:30

      No matter what Derby-Lewis did, or how reprehensible it is, he is still a human, and therefore, under the constitution of this country, should be afforded his basic human rights... Otherwise we are no better off than Zim, or Libya or whatever country seeks to undermine Human Rights... give him the care that he needs, as a human being...

      mark.molema80 - 2011-04-14 14:31

      No matter what Derby-Lewis did, he is still a human being, and therefore, under the constitution of this country, should be afforded his basic human rights... Otherwise we are no better off than Zim, or Libya or whatever country seeks to undermine Human Rights... give him the care that he needs, as a human being...

      mark.molema80 - 2011-04-14 14:32

      No matter what Derby-Lewis did, he is still a human being, and therefore, under the constitution of this country, should be afforded his basic human rights... Otherwise we are no better off than Zim, or Libya or whatever country seeks to undermine Human Rights... give him the care that he needs, as a human being...

      DeonL - 2011-04-14 16:24

      I also do not like Derby-Lewis but he is dying and does qualify for normal and medical parole, give him at parole. He has served his time.

  • thinker - 2011-04-13 23:04

    National unity???? here is a chance for the ANC to demonstrate how serious they are about it. Send Derby-lewis home, to die with dignity.

  • Sedick - 2011-04-13 23:10

    While the comments by the Citizen that Mcbride was not fit to stand as he was a "murderer" is a matter of opinion, it has been proven that he was not fit for the office because he is a liar and a fraud, and let's not forget a drunkard, thinks he is above the law, who drives drunk without considering the safety of other innocent road users....

      FalseGods - 2011-04-13 23:30

      That wasn't the issue, they were still fined for the libel part of their statement, he initially had a sissy fit because they called him a 'murderer', and he was pardoned with the whole TRC job. However as this judge stated, it was a way of forgiving history not forgetting it, he still killed people, he murdered them.

      The Observer - 2011-04-14 07:04

      He murdered innocent people, not the np, police, army innocent people. He will always be a murderer.

      Fred - 2011-04-14 09:33

      Did anything ever come of his arrest in Mozambique, he was held for gun-running, and was released in a political swap, who was he running guns for?

      Shistirrer - 2011-04-14 09:40

      The way I see this whole issue - Before the TRC: * McBride bombs the bar * Innocent people die * McBride is a murderer After the TRC: * The people are still dead * They were killed by McBride * McBride is a murderer In the same manner, a slut will never become a virgin if she apologises for being a slut - she is then just an apologetic slut.

      Shistirrer - 2011-04-14 09:43

      The way I see this whole issue - Before the TRC: * McBride bombs the bar * Innocent people die * McBride is a murderer After the TRC: * The people are still dead * They were killed by McBride * McBride is a murderer In the same manner, a slut will never become a virgin if she apologises for being a slut - she is then just an apologetic slut.

      Alan - 2011-04-14 10:40

      Lets call a spade a spade. He murdered and maimed innocent people in a bar who probably had nothing to do with oppression or suppression of people. If he bombed paliament or some NP gathering then I say that he may be pardoned. The NP didn't kill innocent people, they "killed" political activists who was where known to them as their enemy - not just any black person. McBride is now being molly kindled in spite of what he is - fraud, liar murderer and a waste of tax payers money. ANC - All National Crooks have no right to contest the ConCourt on any persons behalf. He was not lying, defrauding, defeating the ends of justice on behalf of the ANC. He did it himself. well, of course Crooks looks after their own kind.Period !!!

      Alan - 2011-04-14 10:40

      Lets call a spade a spade. He murdered and maimed innocent people in a bar who probably had nothing to do with oppression or suppression of people. If he bombed paliament or some NP gathering then I say that he may be pardoned. The NP didn't kill innocent people, they "killed" political activists who was where known to them as their enemy - not just any black person. McBride is now being molly kindled in spite of what he is - fraud, liar murderer and a waste of tax payers money. ANC - All National Crooks have no right to contest the ConCourt on any persons behalf. He was not lying, defrauding, defeating the ends of justice on behalf of the ANC. He did it himself. well, of course Crooks looks after their own kind.Period !!!

      Alan - 2011-04-14 10:40

      Lets call a spade a spade. He murdered and maimed innocent people in a bar who probably had nothing to do with oppression or suppression of people. If he bombed paliament or some NP gathering then I say that he may be pardoned. The NP didn't kill innocent people, they "killed" political activists who was where known to them as their enemy - not just any black person. McBride is now being molly kindled in spite of what he is - fraud, liar murderer and a waste of tax payers money. ANC - All National Crooks have no right to contest the ConCourt on any persons behalf. He was not lying, defrauding, defeating the ends of justice on behalf of the ANC. He did it himself. well, of course Crooks looks after their own kind.Period !!!

      Alan - 2011-04-14 12:09

      Lets call a spade a spade. He murdered and maimed innocent people in a bar who probably had nothing to do with oppression or suppression of people. If he bombed paliament or some NP gathering then I say that he may be pardoned. The NP didn't kill innocent people, they "killed" political activists who was where known to them as their enemy - not just any black person. McBride is now being molly kindled in spite of what he is - fraud, liar murderer and a waste of tax payers money. ANC - All National Crooks have no right to contest the ConCourt on any persons behalf. He was not lying, defrauding, defeating the ends of justice on behalf of the ANC. He did it himself. well, of course Crooks looks after their own kind.Period !!!

  • Sword&Cross - 2011-04-13 23:24

    AMAZING that the racist ANC is startled at how anti-unity and anti-social it has become without it realizing it all this time, just as malema and his gang of thieving destructive exceptionally OLD Youth in the dictatorial racist ANCYL are also finding out repeatedly. AND NO, the ConCourt is NOT a lapdog to be instructed and commanded by the racist ANC

      phillie - 2011-04-14 00:33

      How very aptly stated !!!Thank you could not have done it better (:-))

      daaivark - 2011-04-14 07:01

      I disagree with Sword&Cross and Phillie, lekomonisi. Yet I am white. This is my country as much as it is yours. In fact, the notion of a my-country and a your-country is already counterproductive. There is an our-country, called South Africa.... and no-one is going to force me out. Not you. Not Gwede. Not Mr Derby-Clueless. My children have every right to grow up here.

      The Observer - 2011-04-14 07:09

      lekomonisi - why don't you leave civilisation and go back to the bush."in the UK they don't like white South Africans because of the racists tendencies so i wonder where will the go maybe Australia the world cup plan B." You know absolutely f.'all, but like in nothing. When does you mind know how to breath? They actually love white Saffas, they do not like black africans (fact) due to obvious reasons. I lived their so would know. We can do a test. We'll take 100 black and 100 white guys and all apply for British work permit. You will see who is disliked more. what a moron you are. O and macbride is a murderer of innocent people.

      Geewiz - 2011-04-14 07:13

      @lekomonisi Most of the white people was born here and have just as much right to be here, you blacks stole the land from the the indigenous people as well so why don’t you pack up and move back to upper dark Africa where you belong

      Mattewis - 2011-04-14 08:02

      @lekomonisi: They like white South Africans in the UK when it comes to work, and they don't like black Africans (just go through the gates at Heathrow if you don't believe me) because if there's trouble in the streets, guess who is in the thick of it most of the time? I'll go to Europe anyday, on one condition: all the Africans go back to Africa, and Muslims back to their Muslim countries. The comments on New24 are in response to the "ACTIONS" reported in the news articles, and who the people are who perform them. Your comment belies your own racism, moron!

  • Sword&Cross - 2011-04-13 23:25

    Robert McBride, South Africa's MOST COWARDLY MURDERER of all time.

      Whuyu - 2011-04-13 23:41

      Not just Mac, but a whole lot of other peeps in the ANC are also murderers, not forgetting being rapists and adulterers as well - like the frikkin "main monkey" who is called the president of SA!

  • Kevin - 2011-04-13 23:28

    Whats done is done and can't be undone. What the ANC and Mcbride don't understand is that freedom of speech as enshrined in the constitution allows free and frank discussion of facts. The actions of Malema also run contrary to national reconciliation. Until the ANC pay more than lip service to reconciliation they cant expect anyone else do do more.

  • wayne munroe - 2011-04-14 00:00

    The courts have inteligence something sadly lacky in Mantashe.Yes Murder is Murder, is Murder, it does not matter how much spin you put on it...

  • maseratifitt - 2011-04-14 00:10

    The arrogance knows no bounds. These oke's wont be happy until the Courts are all firmly under their control.

  • Gert@swart - 2011-04-14 00:12

    Here we go again apartheid beneficiaries having their say.

      daaivark - 2011-04-14 07:03

      Oh shut it.

  • Enigma - 2011-04-14 00:47

    Strange, the ANC were the chief architects of our constitution yet they have challenged more findings of the constitutional court than they have accepted. This is not because they are testing the validity of the findings so much as they are unwilling to live within the constricts of the law, nay unable to live within the law.

  • ewald - 2011-04-14 01:12

    Mantashe has the IQ of a frog, and most frogs would take that as an insult.

      daaivark - 2011-04-14 07:04

      Not true. He is no fool. Misguided, perhaps, but not a stupid man.

      Cyril - 2011-04-14 07:29

      Mantashe is as THICK AS PIGSHIT

      Sword&Cross - 2011-04-14 07:40

      mantrash has the most rotten of hissing teeth around that black forked tongue, so it MUST be platana you had on your mind.

      MaLemmer - 2011-04-14 08:06

      Too true. Lovely fancy laws, the most progressive in the world we are always being told, BUT ONLY IF THEY DON"T APPLY TO YOU!

  • Palian - 2011-04-14 01:41

    The commission gave perpetrators of apartheid atrocities the opportunity to receive amnesty for their crimes, in exchange for full disclosure. Mantashe said the past could not be undone, but that the commission had given people hope. So, IMHO, whatever their murdering scum also got away with counts for null? clearly they are not content to live within a legal established framework. wonder what history will say about them when the present says what we see...

  • Bonzer - 2011-04-14 05:03

    Only the ANC could have such double standards. They are in court with malema because they want the freedom to sing "kill the farmer" and in another court nearby they are in court asking the court to prevent them (macbride) from being called murderers. As I see it they are asking is for the legal right to kill whites.

      daaivark - 2011-04-14 07:05

      All politicians have double standards. And we can count ourselves lucky that they stop at doubles, rather than triple or quadruples. It is the nature of the beast.

      John Wilderness - 2011-04-14 07:19

      The ANC are not the only two faced hipocrates. These other apartheid supporting blabberers are the exactly the same.

  • paulf - 2011-04-14 06:42

    The Constitutional Court has decided. It's the end of the matter. That's how it works in a country with a written constitution. Somewhere the last line gets to be drawn. And, although the ANC would like to pretend that a self-admitted killer cadre didn't actually kill, the plain truth is that he DID. And anyone is allowed to speak or write the TRUTH, rather than to parrot the ANC's favourite fantasies and myths. McBride IS a murderer. Suck it up.

      Sword&Cross - 2011-04-14 07:44

      Come to think of it, bombing innocent unsuspecting young women in a social venue is kind of the instruction the 'wondrous' gwede would probably have ordered the drunkard mcbride to carry out -and now wants to deflect the fact as far away from his froglike person as possible

  • paulf - 2011-04-14 06:42

    The Constitutional Court has decided. It's the end of the matter. That's how it works in a country with a written constitution. Somewhere the last line gets to be drawn. And, although the ANC would like to pretend that a self-admitted killer cadre didn't actually kill, the plain truth is that he DID. And anyone is allowed to speak or write the TRUTH, rather than to parrot the ANC's favourite fantasies and myths. McBride IS a murderer. Suck it up.

  • Tc - 2011-04-14 06:53

    Hey, Mr Mantashe, since when does the ANC care about National Unity or Reconciliation?

  • Danie - 2011-04-14 06:53

    Mcbride is an alcoholic too

  • daaivark - 2011-04-14 06:55

    Nonsense Gwede. The constitutional Court upheld rights YOU fought for in the struggle, or has Alzheimer's got to you. McBride was a killer. You and your party even admit that. Further he has consistenetly flouted the laws of the country as if he were completely immune to any form of discipline. He is an outright thug. Has been from the very start of his rather disgusting career and it seems is determined to remain one.

      Frangipani - 2011-04-14 14:38

      OH, NOW YOU VE CHANGED TUNE!!!!

  • Realist - 2011-04-14 07:15

    Having a brainless idiot such as Malema and his ilk running rampant, inciting racial hatred by singing racist songs such as "Kill the Boer", is a blow to "unity". Robert McBride is plain & simple, straight forward a murdering criminal who got caught out. His lies & those of his fellow criminal cronies in uniform, did not manage to set him free. Not only should he pay the newspaper, but he should pay back the tax-payers' money which he wasted on his case.

  • lenand40 - 2011-04-14 07:21

    Come on, ANC, we know that FW De Klerk is murderer and criminal. Why deny us the opportunity to say so? What of Adriaan Vlok and many others like them. Please Gwede, let us call murdering swines what they are.

  • Cyril - 2011-04-14 07:26

    Mcbride is a total fukken nuisance. Why do i keep hearing about him. Just get the hell rid of him dammit!!!

  • Mariano Cast - 2011-04-14 07:28

    Lately Mantashe is showing his true colours. Murder is a crime, no matter how it is wrapped up. McBride is a murderer and a criminal.Full stop.

  • Mariano Cast - 2011-04-14 07:29

    Lately Mantashe is showing his true colours. Murder is a crime, no matter how it is wrapped up. McBride is a murderer and a criminal.Full stop.

  • Mariano Cast - 2011-04-14 07:30

    Lately Mantashe is showing his true colours. Murder is a crime, no matter how it is wrapped up. McBride is a murderer and a criminal.Full stop.

  • Mariano Cast - 2011-04-14 07:36

    Lately,Matanshe is showing his true colours. Another ANC racist. Murder is a crime irrespective of how fancy the wrapping is. McBride is a murderer, so that makes him a criminal.

  • ben petzer - 2011-04-14 07:38

    Somebody put a sock in Mantashes mouth!

  • ji - 2011-04-14 07:41

    wow . why do the ANC worry , most of their members are "criminal" , rapists , murderers , fraudsters , drug dealers ect , just look at mbeki , zuma , selibi , cele , mc bride and many more , all criminals , welcome to the ANC .

      Frangipani - 2011-04-14 14:46

      And you are Jesus brother...wow!

  • York Hunt - 2011-04-14 07:42

    Mcbride must be one of the most hated men in SA. For good reason too.

  • Zooma Lema - 2011-04-14 07:45

    McBride - ANC - Terrorist - Murderer - Coward

  • Zooma Lema - 2011-04-14 07:45

    McBride - ANC - Terrorist - Murderer - Coward

  • Zooma Lema - 2011-04-14 07:46

    McBride - Terrorist - Murderer - Coward

  • Zooma Lema - 2011-04-14 07:47

    Magoose - McBride - Terrorist - Murderer - Coward

  • Zooma Lema - 2011-04-14 07:47

    Magoose - McBride - Murderer - Coward

  • ian - 2011-04-14 07:50

    the man is not fit to stand for any office full stop forget about the rest, he is a retrebate

  • Sword&Cross - 2011-04-14 07:54

    ROBERT MCBRIDE - Cowardly MURDERER! Is it not time for you to take a gun and sit at the corner where Magoos (now London Pub) was, and BLOW YOUR last vestiges of BRAINS OUT. Just think, you can truly & aptly become a part of that horrific deed that you perpetrated and go down fixedly in the history books then. Your fellow coloured brother look over towards you with distrust and hate in their hearts & eyes no differently to the rest of the citizens of SA. WHY? because if you could undertake such a dastardly deed without questioning it, then you can just as easily do it to their daughters or mothers today.

  • PB - 2011-04-14 07:55

    BOTTOMLINE IS : THEY DID THE DEEDS, WHICH MAKES THEM CRIMINALS - AFTER RECEIVING PARDONS AT THE TRC THEY JUST BECAME PARDONED CRIMINALS. When a South African emigrates to a new country, he becomes a citizen of that country (f.eg. a British citizen), but in essence he will always be a South African. Same difference. The TRC process was just to save them from doing the time that would have been applicable if they were to be charged in a normal court. "Pardon" that went with the TRC process did not change the fact that those criminals - white and black, ANC and non-ANC - were spared from being sent to jail for their crimes, nothing more, nothing less.

  • Luyanda - 2011-04-14 07:58

    Our Constitutional Court judges do not seem to have canvassed the mischief rule. If McBride can be called a criminal despite the TRC findings and cannot get a job bcoz of his criminal record, it follows that all those who were in Robben Island and other prisons bcoz of politics cannot be Presidents, Ministers, High Commissioners, CEOs and so forth. They are all criminals according to the judgment. The judgement is void legal reasoning.

  • Luyanda - 2011-04-14 08:00

    Our Constitutional Court judges do not seem to have canvassed the mischief rule. If McBride can be called a criminal despite the TRC findings and cannot get a job bcoz of his criminal record, it follows that all those who were in Robben Island and other prisons bcoz of politics cannot be Presidents, Ministers, High Commissioners, CEOs and so forth. They are all criminals according to the judgment. The judgement is void of legal reasoning.

      Bonzer - 2011-04-14 08:12

      Luyanda most of the current parliament have criminal records from crimes they committed AFTER 1994. The Citizen merely pointed in it's article that McBride actually killed people. Not having a criminal record and pretending that he never killed anyone are 2 different things. The reality is that McBride killed a bunch of people, do we want to deny the Magoos Bombing ever happened?

      abiker - 2011-04-14 11:11

      The Constitutional court ruling does not prevent Mc Bride from getting a job. The pardon provided by the TRC effectively deleted his criminal record. There are many examples from all sides of the political spectrum, but perticularly within the ANC, where individuals previously found guilty were pardoned at the TRC and still hold senior political and government posts. I would however strongly suggest that it is his conduct post 1994 that makes him unsuitable for any public office.

  • Vlooi - 2011-04-14 08:07

    The ANC felt so good about McBride they sommer gave him a Bells. Mantashe is having his on a continual base. Letsh go and hic kill us a boer hic.

  • Goose - 2011-04-14 08:26

    If this has gone all the way to the constitutional court then take the decision and move on. FACT: McBride is a scumbag murderer, liar, thief and drunkard! All criminals should be locked up(white, black, yellow). I look at this scenario this way. At work, when the boss is away, people get things done and everything seems to work better because you don't have a "picky" person trying to micro manage everyone. Similarly, if the entire ANC government died today(or better still just vanished), SA would instantly become a better place for all. Really sad that the fat old black farts think the constitution is there to be manipulated ONLY.....for their means. They have no grasp of democracy, rule of law, ethics etc.

  • Goose - 2011-04-14 08:27

    If this has gone all the way to the constitutional court then take the decision and move on. FACT: McBride is a scumbag murderer, liar, thief and drunkard! All criminals should be locked up(white, black, yellow). I look at this scenario this way. At work, when the boss is away, people get things done and everything seems to work better because you don't have a "picky" person trying to micro manage everyone. Similarly, if the entire ANC government died today(or better still just vanished), SA would instantly become a better place for all. Really sad that the fat old black farts think the constitution is there to be manipulated ONLY.....for their means. They have no grasp of democracy, rule of law, ethics etc.

  • Goose - 2011-04-14 08:36

    I have little respect for the black "freedom fighters" in Africa. I sympathize with the "cause" but not the combatants, because when do you ever hear that they attack military bases and soldiers. A soldier by definition is supposed to fight other soldiers of the opposing side. Murdering harmless civilians is the epitome of cowardice which is a trademark of most African and Arab "revolutionaries." Take 'ol Juju, he never laid his life on the line for anything or anyone, yet languishes in opulence even though he is too thick to make a peanut butter sandwich without help. Has the most to say but did the least(nothing) FACT: if the white South Africans get kicked out of SA by the blacks, SA will become a Zimbabwe, Mocambique very fast.

  • Wow! - 2011-04-14 08:37

    Funny that the McBride issue "opens wounds" and the Malema "kill the boer" does not. This ANC led government is totally inconsistent. The court is right - being granted an amnesty - does not change the felony. McBride is a murderer. Just as DeKock is.

  • bill - 2011-04-14 08:40

    Gwede supporting a coward and criminal.So much for the rule of law.

  • Kobus Peenz - 2011-04-14 09:18

    Ag shame, Mantashe! In spite of all the wastes TRC billions, Mc Bride still is a cold-blooded murderer who deliberately targeted innocent women and children! If he was such a brave warrior, why didn't he go and fight in the bush at the coalface of war where we did while our wifes and children were being bombed in public places by cowards like Mc Bride?

  • v3 - 2011-04-14 09:23

    Why defend McBride? With hindsight we know, murderer or not, he is a drunk-driving trash. Another Malema or Niehaus. He also, in his post, undermined the Rule of Law. The Citizen was correct to say that he was not suitable for the post

  • MortNews - 2011-04-14 09:23

    The sinister Comrade Mantashe is big on populist rhetoric but light on intellectual argument. Pardon means you have been forgiven (by some) but it does not expunge the deed. McBride murdered innocent, unarmed civilians in a cowardly manner. Nothing can erase that truth.

  • MortNews - 2011-04-14 09:23

    The sinister Comrade Mantashe is big on populist rhetoric but light on intellectual argument. Pardon means you have been forgiven (by some) but it does not expunge the deed. McBride murdered innocent, unarmed civilians in a cowardly manner. Nothing can erase that truth.

  • MortNews - 2011-04-14 09:24

    Comrade Mantashe is big on populist rhetoric but light on intellectual argument. Pardon means you have been forgiven (by some) but it does not expunge the deed. McBride murdered innocent, unarmed civilians in a cowardly manner. Nothing can erase that truth.