ANC veterans scold young leaders

2011-09-07 20:03

Durban - The ANC Youth League's leaders joined the ruling party because it was fashionable, the Umkhonto we Sizwe Military Veterans' Association (MKMVA) said on Wednesday.

"When we joined the ANC it was [all] about the liberation movement," MKMVA KwaZulu-Natal secretary Nameh Mogale said.

He said the MKMVA wanted to discuss political debates with the league, because its members were too young to learn from the experiences of the "revolution".

He condemned "acts of gangsterism" by supporters of the league's leadership at the ANC's Luthuli House headquarters in Johannesburg during disciplinary hearings last week.

"We are calling for disciplinary action against any so-called member of the broader congress movement who participated in the burning of our ANC flag," Mogale said.

"This act represents the greatest insult in the history of the ANC. The culprits should be expelled."

He said issues plaguing the ANC were not new, and the party had gone through "these processes" before.

"We believe and are convinced that these acts are just symptoms of a broader agenda aimed at undermining the unity of the post Polokwane collective leadership led by our President Jacob Zuma," Mogale said.

"Our aim is to continuously strive to unmask supporters, funders and handlers of this counter-revolutionary agenda. We thus call for the re-establishment of our internal security structures."

  • Verdade - 2011-09-07 20:11

    Ja well, lead by example!

      letsee - 2011-09-08 08:31

      Lots of words and no actions. The ANC make its oen bed and seems not to know what to do.

      sushi - 2011-09-08 09:50

      mogale dont make yourself clever here,when you joined ANC circurmstances were diffrent,What the ANCYL is facing now is also diffrent.maybe what we should ask you is how relevant are you to todays politics,you sound like you have been told what to say.the question is what is your agenda?

      Together - 2011-09-08 11:10

      "We believe and are convinced that these acts are just symptoms of a broader agenda aimed at undermining the unity of the post Polokwane collective leadership led by our President Jacob Zuma," Mogale said. Weird, really - especially since the core leadership under a (very drawn-out) disciplinary hearing are the ones who helped engineer the post-Polokwane leadership collective. So many words - so little sense.

  • Musa Ngubane - 2011-09-07 20:38

    This youth league is a disgrace to the history of the ANC. We all came from the ranks of the youth league. We have never been taught to disrespect the leadership in this manner. These hooligans must be identified and be expelled from the movement. We can't be part of an ANC which is characterised by anarchy. We need to get rid of this misguided militancy. As disciplined members of the ANC, we will defend the elected leadership against those who want to use our movement to advance their own selfish agenda.

      Dave - 2011-09-07 21:10

      Great words, and a fine philosophy, but can you ever see it happening? There is a power struggle going on that has yet to reach its end, if there is one at all, and all of us are and will suffer through this struggle unless decisive action is taken, again the question, will the ANC have the courage to take this on? So far doesnt seem like it...

      Logs01 - 2011-09-07 21:50

      Come now @Musa Ngubane, when the ANCYL could "generate the votes" when needed, "stir" on behalf of the ANC on all levels, they and their "antics" were OK. Now you all are complaining, now that you realise what you all in the ANC have helped create!!!! We all knew that this will get out of the control of the ANC and that the "cracks" within the ANC will widen till the "in-fightin" and GREED cannot be controlled. Now it "bursts" to the surface and the real fight is on for everyone to see!!!! I am actually enjoying this and whatever they do with Malenema, he is going to STAY a problem for the ANC in future. Inside or outside of the ANC. You see he is totally stupid and he and his followers are totally out of control. It suited the ANC just fine for a long time, but now he has become a threat to the ANC itself. Goodluck!!!!!

      daaivark - 2011-09-08 07:54

      Well said Musa. During the struggle I refused to align myslef with any grouping, as such alignment goes against my notion of freedom. BUT I strongly supported the work of the ANC, provided safe haven for people in troubled times, etc. The movement I knew and supported at that time is a far cry from the grabbing, dictatorial and REACTIONARY shambles that now calls itself the ANC. The leaders then were loved and respected - and they deserved it. Unlike the present coterie of thugs in royal underwear.

      daaivark - 2011-09-08 07:54

      Sorry, typo: Should have been "myself".

      Together - 2011-09-08 11:13

      Odd to divide the people in the street from the youth league leadership who encouraged them to behave that way - for months now, all over the country. And statements issued by the youth league leadership stating that they would not back down - and only addressing the crowd after 8 hours of flag and T-shirt burning, instead of immediately. South Africans are really very tired of being treated as if we are all stupid.. this is close-the-door-after-the-cow-ran-away double-speak.

  • PinkAndProud - 2011-09-07 21:41

    It's not just the Yoof Leaks that are a disgrace. Their Elder Leaks are just as bad. Anything with ANC is tainted as the ANC is nothing but a vile Crime Syndicate. FACT!

      daaivark - 2011-09-08 07:47

      Perspective, Pinks, perspective. There AQRE some who are trying to rectify the disastrous mess. I think one should give them credit.

      Optimus-Prime - 2011-09-08 08:35

      FACT? really?

      Kenko - 2011-09-08 09:00

      @Daaivark, obliquely referring to malpractice is definitely not trying to rectify it. Whenever some bigwig gets caught in the act, they all swarm to his/her protection. To promote someone out of the mess he made is surely not getting rid of the problem.

      daaivark - 2011-09-08 10:10

      Sure I don't dispute that.

      Together - 2011-09-08 11:14

      I laud the people who are trying to rectify the mess - the skepticism you're seeing is because we don't know if they have the authority or support to back it up.

  • AceOfSpades - 2011-09-07 21:43

    "This act (burning of the ANC flag) represents the greatest insult in the history of the ANC." This worries me a little. Something is wrong when so much emotion is attached to a flag, and by implication the political party that it represents. It's just a political party for goodness sake! Or that's what it's supposed to be. Not an emotive religious cult.

      Together - 2011-09-08 11:18

      It's been a religion for quite a while, Ace. Voting for this administration in the face of terrible delivery is not a rational decision, therefore it must be faith or brain-washing. Hope it works out for everyone.

      De la Rey - 2011-09-09 08:45

      Sorry but I disagree with you Ace. When people burn flags, it is the first sign of a revolution and total disrespect to the ruling party or government. In essence it is not supposed to be much of an issue but deeper down it paints another picture. My 2c

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  • bogo - 2011-09-07 23:07

    zuma you ripe what you plante my president, malema is the man that u trust to put down tata beki

      daaivark - 2011-09-08 07:55

      "ripe what you plante"???

      Optimus-Prime - 2011-09-08 09:02

      @Bogo, can you say RETARD?

      Joanita - 2011-10-26 15:15

      OMG... HAHAHAHAH! Ripe what you plante?

  • lapfa - 2011-09-07 23:57

    What is the alternative to nationalisation. Young people are doing all this because they are hungry. They need jobs.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-08 00:09

      The alternative is to stop voting for the ANC idiot and then maybe other countries will invest in SA and then there will be jobs. So long as you make bizarre suggestions about nationalisation etc. nobody is going to invest.

      whatashame - 2011-09-08 00:19

      @lapfa. Education and hard work. The same as everyone else. Not everyone can be rich but we can all do something to better our lot in life instead of sitting back with the attitude of entitlement. Nationalisation will just enrich a few and the rest will be much poorer. Plenty Auroras to come if nationalation happens. The ones calling for it have no clue on basic economics just grab grab grab and brainwash the followers into believing this is the path to riches for all. Our own educated and successful Patrice Motsepe can't see it working. I'll rather listen to his expert views than the greedy corrupt inexperienced leaders of the youth league. The thugs at Luthuli house didn't look hungry to me. Just hungry for action and mayhem. Plenty of us have been poor and hungry but criminal acts are perpetrated by the lazy few.The rest of us got off our butts and worked menial jobs just to get a start in life.

      Nkalakatha - 2011-09-08 12:05

      @lapfa: You should say: "They are HUNGRY and HORNY !!

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  • Philip - 2011-09-08 07:15

    This is how it all starts. We've all seen and read about the violence in North Africa and the over throw of quite a few corrupt dictatorships. The youth in this country a very capable of doing the same here, and the governing party are very aware of this. Me thinks that there a VERY tough times ahead between the ANC and the ANCYL.....

  • SA Sucks - 2011-09-08 07:32

    Where's the "wonderful Madiba" now to reprimand the youth?

      daaivark - 2011-09-08 07:49

      Old and sick. Give the man a break. He's human, not a God. Besides, I fear you have as little respect for him as for the others and are just making a noise.

      Mebob - 2011-09-08 07:55

      He is in his 90's and hardly has the health to deal with this. He is retired and wants very little to do with public life. Let him enjoy his last few years with his family than dealing with something that will cause his stress. The ANC is on the road to self destruction. It is only a matter of time.The youth of today are a force unto their own and it is reaching bursting point.Something has to give and it will be ugly.

      Optimus-Prime - 2011-09-08 08:41

      @SA Sucks, wow, your lack of respect for leaders is in line with that of the ANCYL's. Madiba is a great man, but he is just a man. And he has sacrificed much for our country. he is in his twilight and should be left in peace. i don't think that you will ever do a fraction of what he has done. all you can do is whine, whine, whine.... and SA sucks, really? i bet you live in a nice suburb and have a job that pays your bills...

      GDR - 2011-09-08 08:42

      Mbob he is not too old to voice his opinion about these so called young leaders.

  • daaivark - 2011-09-08 07:50

    Fashionable, yes..... and extremely profitable for many, not so Julius.

  • letsee - 2011-09-08 08:31

    Lots of words and no actions. The ANC make its oen bed and seems not to know what to do.

  • CalamitySA - 2011-09-08 09:34

    Nameh Mogale - Well said. And please let all your comrades know that there is a lot of white people who would love to help the government to get the services running 100%. A lot who think like the late Beyers Naude did. Give them a chance to help. Then as your leader said there will be less in jail.

  • ProudlyKgomo - 2011-09-08 10:05

    "When we joined the ANC it was [all] about the liberation movement," MKMVA KwaZulu-Natal secretary Nameh Mogale said. =========================================== Big ups to Nameh Mogale for showing leadership. Hope that Kebby Maphatsoe and his crew can follow the example of their KZN branch.

  • Theodor - 2011-09-08 17:03

    It is also accurate to say that the ideas and culture of a society play a essential role in determining and molding the youth. If the youth are exposed to the damaging concepts of greed, nepotism and corruption the behaviour of the youth will follow. The achievement and feasibility of a society can only be judged by the state of its people, and by no means should this be limited to bland statistics of poverty and unemployment. There is little gain in a overt display of luxury by its leaders when they are rotting in moral decadence. The society whose leaders live on a diet of fantasy and intoxication as the means of evading the hardships of their people have children to whom these things become the single purpose of existence. These youth will project the same concepts to society, and so the vicious circle begins.

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