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ANC wants new constitution

2012-03-04 11:36

Johannesburg - The ANC is contemplating dramatic changes to the country’s Constitution, including scrapping the “sunset clauses” and changing the powers of the Reserve Bank and provinces.

City Press is in possession of draft policy documents that will be distributed to the party’s branches on Monday ahead of its policy conference in June.

The documents are likely to shape the direction of government programmes if adopted at the ANC’s national conference in December.

In a section on strategy and tactics titled “The second transition”, the ANC says the Constitution of 1996 “may have been appropriate for a political transition, but it has proven inadequate and even inappropriate for a social and economic transformation phase”.

Lost moral compass

Other points to be discussed include:

- The fact that people think the party has lost its moral compass, represents a self-serving elite and is soft on corruption;
- The party is facing a “crisis of credibility” and people are beginning to doubt its capability to deliver social and economic change;
- The principle of ubuntu should be introduced to the school curriculum; and
- HIV/Aids should be made a notifiable disease.

The ANC also criticises government communicators for not effectively conveying service delivery successes and says terminology used by Planning Minister Trevor Manuel’s National Planning Commission is in conflict with that of the party. The commission speaks of a “capable state” while the ANC wants a “developmental state” that drives and controls economic growth.

On the ANC Youth League, the party says its relationship with the youth wing is important and should be “debated openly”.

Recruiting newborns

The ANC proposes recruiting children for the ANC from the day they are born, establishing a state-owned publishing company to iron out problems with textbook distribution, introducing compulsory community service for all university graduates and pushing ahead with a media appeals tribunal.

The party will also discuss introducing a BEE code for the print media sector.

The party states that South Africa’s “first transition”, which it calls a “political transition”, was about finding a national consensus and a “framework based on the sunset clauses of the negotiations”. The sunset clauses relate primarily to land and property ownership. But these are proving “inadequate and even inappropriate for a social and economic transformation phase”, or the “second transition”, which South Africa is entering.

Constitutions are “living documents and reflect the stage of development of a given society”, the ANC says.

Therefore, “there may well be elements of our Constitution that require review because they may be an impediment to social and economic transformation”.

Economic stability

This includes the “narrow mandate of the Reserve Bank or the relationship between and powers of the different spheres of government”.

Economist Iraj Abedian says the Constitution protects the independence of the Reserve Bank and scrapping this would give politicians, like ministers, room to interfere. Some in the ANC have been calling for the scrapping of inflation targeting and a weakening of the rand to, among others, boost mining exports.

“This could affect economic stability negatively,” Abedian said.

Amending the powers of the different spheres of government would give national government the power to intervene in provinces.

Provinces have already lost the power to distribute social grants, and once the National Health Insurance is in place, they will lose the power to administer health as well.

Liberation movement

The ANC also does some introspection, admitting that its “moral authority” and that of its leaders is being “called into question” and that it is “either framed as having lost its moral compass or as representing a self-serving elite”.

The party says it’s being seen, from the outside, as a “neo-patrimonial political machine to distribute power and resources among ourselves”.

It says even though much of the corruption has been exposed by measures the ANC itself has put into place, “we continue to appear soft on corruption”.

The ANC acknowledges that it’s necessary to renew itself because it is facing a “crisis of credibility”. “Doubts are beginning to creep in” among voters about whether the party can still deliver the promised changes in the next few decades.

The party also asks whether it can still call itself as a liberation movement, or whether it is increasingly becoming a political party.

“The Mangaung conference (in December) must take bold and comprehensive decisions around the renewal of the movement over the next two decades,” it says.

Comments
  • Michelle - 2012-03-04 11:42

    This makes me sick. Banana Republic!

      Boer - 2012-03-04 12:03

      Spyker, It is not a question of ìf but when. If you look at Zim, they wemt relatively well for a couple years, then the wheels came off. It was predicted in 92 and it wìll happen. My prediction is 2015-2018.

      Alien42063 - 2012-03-04 12:13

      Relax guys. I'm sure to change the Constitution you need 2/3rds majority, which thanks to the DA...the ANC does not have and will never have again. I doubt the D.A. will just sit idly by and watch the country go south. That's the diff between us and Zim. Zim didn't have such a strong opposition.

      Consolata Connie Lodya - 2012-03-04 12:13

      @michelle. The anc is sick, what they are doing is very sickening. Infact they are so sick that they cant tell reality from the images in their mind, luckily some of us have not caught the disease that they hope to spread around the country of living in their fairytale. Saying that babies should be born as anc members denies our future the right to decide for themselves what political party they would like to support! Its against the constitution and affects all south africans. I think that its time that south africans take this party to court. I'm done! They have seriously crossed the LINE! The only thing in our constitution that I think warrants change is the fact that murderers and rapists should not have any rights at all, and be castrated or killed to save the future of this country.

      Bomb - 2012-03-04 12:16

      @Boer..............isn't the world ending anyway on 21 Dec 2012?. I really hope there's a chance, cause this world needs a "reset".

      Herman - 2012-03-04 12:17

      We don't need a change in constitution, we need a change in ruling party...

      Bandile - 2012-03-04 12:35

      Alien42063, you still cling to the misguided believe that Africa understands democracy, and that Africa regards any constitution as sovereign. Not so, my friend.

      Lacrimose - 2012-03-04 12:43

      @Alien. I wish I could share your optimism! So at the same time they meddle with the constitution they introduce the 'secrecy bill', want to re-arrange the provinces & re-examine the judiciary. This is an attack on all fronts. Don't be surprised when they find some loophole to wriggle out of the 2/3. After all, JZ managed to wriggle out of corruption charges.

      Denise - 2012-03-04 12:50

      I am not sure what the ANC means by scrapping any “sunset clauses” in the constitution. There has not been any. For years whites have tried to get some sunset clauses on Affirmative Action, BEE, quotas in sport and university entry, etc but the ANC has always refused. This just shows how they can lie and pretend to be benevolent when in fact they are the most malevolent destructive force that has ever hit this country.

      Psalm - 2012-03-04 13:17

      @ Michelle I hope your comment is not aimed at the fact that ANC may seek to amend the Constitution. Constitutions provide a framework - they are not sacrosanct. They are often amended. In fact, our Constitution has already been amended numerous times. As a non-ANC member, I observe: your average white News24 reader (not necessarily you, Michelle) has no clue where the real danger lies. The average comment from that quarter is essentially pointless. Many here undoutedly bought the false flag (spewed by the media) that then-president Mbeki wanted to amend the Constitution in order to remain president. But that was not the issue - Mbeki had a 2/3 majority and never used it in such manner. The property amendment is not the real danger. They need a 2/3 majority for that. Unless they remove Zuma & his cronies, they won't get it. Failing a 2/3 majority, they can still expropriate property. The danger lies in these words "recruiting children for the ANC from the day they are born". This is not banana Republic mentality - this is little China. No surprise- ANC and Africa have become disenchanted with the arrogance of the West. While the West arrogantly dictates gay rights for aid - Africans are looking to East for inspiration. Those things seen as Western-like hindrances to African automony and development will go - hence the policy to focus on the ANC's identity as a Liberation Movement (i.e. defines African aspirations & autonomy) and not simply a political party.

      Adam - 2012-03-04 13:20

      I do believe this is part of the struggle plan. If you google camp quatro,Zumas involvement, you will see what you are dealing with. However the anc nor government own the reserve bank, and it is owned by about 600 shareholders, many of them foreigners, or foreign owned companies. The anc cant afford to buy them out. I believe this is electioneering on the part of the anc, and that zuma is fighting to stay in power, by promising the world to his poor sheep. WE can all educate and inform just 3 of these sheep not to vote anc then a decrease of say 5 million votes for anc and an increase of 5 million for opposition, makes a huge difference to the anc. The western world will step in eventually if human rights are further infringed.

      Adam - 2012-03-04 13:43

      Do you all still believe mandella is a saint? Do you all believe he doesnt know about this? Just google truth committee,mandella,the truth. Mandella ordered the Church street bomb, target...white women and children. Look at the pics as well.

      Spyker - 2012-03-04 13:44

      @Psalm.., Arrogance is not the way you behave - it is the way you expect others to behave. Africa confuses "confidence" with "arrogance" - it is in fact Africa that is absurdly ARROGANT. On the one hand they demand aid from the West; and the West has willingly 'aided' Africa (the vast majority of aid to Africa is still from the West) at their own expense; while they want the West's money, the West MUST stay out of the (frankly pathetically disastrous) way Africa manages itself (ie there is NO country on earth, managed by a black government, that comes even close to the WORST under white management). This is ARROGANCE of the highest order - PERIOD. Now that the West has difficulties - Africa runs with cupped hands to the East - this is ARROGANCE of the highest order - PERIOD. Africa is like an alcoholic - it refuses to admit it has a huge problem; it always blames everybody else.

      Bernard - 2012-03-04 14:07

      Well Spyker, they don't want to help us get out of here so it is sword, the younger generation need us who did the army when it was still a proper army to train them, I am willing, but alas I also know history, we just never stand together.

      Kim - 2012-03-04 14:16

      They are just money grabbing spinless sloths.

      Psalm - 2012-03-04 14:38

      @ Spyker_May As usual, my comments go over your head. The events and developments in Africa and in African circles are also unknown to you. There is a VERY clear and growing African consensus that Africans should stop relying on the unreliable and hypocrital West and should quit depending on Aid. You see, when Western leaders like Cameron and co take the arrogant posture to force acceptance and promotion of homosexuality on Africans as a condition for aid, it goes without saying that players from the East can only be amused by this arrogance. Note Cameron and co are not trying to dictate to Saudi Arabia, which kills gays - they display their arrogance in Africa and then wonder why Africans are eager to grow independently of the West. You've also got to note, whites South Africans spend much of their time trying to threaten every ANC move with cries of "Foreign investors won't like it!" (meaning: Western investors won't like it, for they aren't talking about China. China's strengthening its links with SA (now no 1 trading partner, on BRICS and now looking into forming a BRICS Bank)). Now, do you think this pointless attempt at holding ANC hostage (with these threats) has endeared the West to the ANC? It hasn't. The card has been overplayed. You salivate at the idea of civil war... This is Africa - and war is vicious & brutal here. You are delusional if you imagine whites will win such a war or escape the brutality. Delusions can be fatal...

      Louis - 2012-03-04 14:42

      Recruiting New born babies at birth sounds like the commies and the Nazis. All will be indoctrinated into the anc cr.p. Remember the Commissars and also the Hitler youth. This country is going to hell. It also because of the racist anc attitude, this will be aimed mostly at the white minority because they have tried their AA and BEE cr.p and it did not work. Why don’t they just pass legislation banning all white from working or earning a living or banish them to some small enclave on the west coast. Of course that will never happen because it will prosper and prove to these anc clowns that they and their followers are totally useless at creating wealth and only good at stealing it and destroying everything else in the process. Bloody useless lot

      Louis - 2012-03-04 14:45

      Alien42063, the anc will have the DA supporters and politicians rounded up and placed in concentration camps like the Nazis did to you know you, because the DA is too smart.

      andile.ngcobo - 2012-03-04 15:40

      @Psalm Its uncommon for me to read comments on news24 and find sanity and reason so thank you for being one of the few people on this site that has not completely lost touch with reality like Spyker_May. I may not completely agree with your conclusions and I suspect we don't tick the same box on election day but I do respect and appreciate well thought through opinions such as yours. @Spyker_May Black people cant read co-ordinates too, I could even send you satellite pics of your "rendezvous point" from Google maps if you like. The last time people like you played soldier in Bophuthatswana it didn't go so well.

      Piet - 2012-03-04 16:09

      The constitution reflects the expression of wills of our elected representatives, by extention our will. The final constitution was ratified in 1996. Our constitution has 16 ammendments, the first in 97 and the most recent was promulgated in 09. The bottom line is ammendments to constitutional decree is common accross all democracies. It is not that the principle of ammendments that ought to be of concern, it is the actuall effect that the ammendment has. So here is my question to all those who take issue with the constitutional changes, what are the issues in relation to the proposed ammendments to we have? The truth is we dont know, becuase we dont have know what the impact is. So why are we this upset, could it be becuase this has now become our default modes operandi to any communique from government.

      Nkosinathi - 2012-03-04 16:16

      @Michelle, this was inevitable. the question is do you want the ammendments to come via a Juju phenomenon or to be debated "calmly" by our dishonourable politicians in parliament? When you read threads and comments on this site you understand why Zuma said the ANC will rule forever. Why? Every racist, derogatory comment by white people against the black people only raises the spectre of apartheid making a return and wins the ANC votes because its perceived as the bastion against apartheid. The comments might be from a few individuals but just as one black man's (Malema) racist drivel brought all whites together to face a common enemy, so also does any racism from even just one white man amongst millions. I believe its better for any constitutional ammendments to be handled by the elected crooks versus being left out there for the Malemas etc. Should this issue not be addressed properly in the correct forums, it will be "addressed" out there and as we well know, South African community "justice" takes no prisoners!

      Spyker - 2012-03-04 16:39

      Nkosinathi.., Respectfully – if you vote for the ANC just to spite certain white people, then you deserve the ANC, worse still – you deserve a SA that looks like Zim.

      Enock - 2012-03-04 16:56

      Your positive contribution can make this country even better. This country is in the right direction since our liberation or the liberation. i understand some of us did not qualify to be liberated since we always had it easy from the onset. i would like to appeal for a positive contribution that will take all of us forward and thereby improving the conditions of our lives. May God and increase and prosper you.

      Boeretroos - 2012-03-04 20:51

      It is the plan of the anc to so "africanize" south africa that it becomes unbearable for any other person other than black - to be able to live their life as they should and could with personal freedom and life quality. However there is an answer - Volkstaat ! - Give it very serious thought.

      Eduard - 2012-03-04 21:57

      Idiot republic

      malomeV - 2012-03-04 22:48

      If it makes u sick then feel free to leave south africa or form your organization to challenge wht aparteid created.ANC is trying all its best to ensure that we the majority of South Africans benefits frm our democracy

      EdCarman - 2012-03-05 07:24

      ME too Michelle. Indoctrinating babies into the ANC, changes making it easier for them to steal, and BEE for the media... to control the dialog and brainwash the masses even more. Just to name a few. Wow.....I am glad to be American.

      Byron - 2012-03-05 10:56

      wow this spyker_may character has delusions of grandeur lol, a keyboard warrior of note - must be a troll, no sane mind can be that delusional

      Joe - 2012-03-05 11:41

      @Psalm-The west was instrumental in ensuring that apartheid came to an end. Yet when democratic principles need to be taken a step further and the west requires more accountability from Africans the west is seen as arrogant. China has one of the worst human rights track records on this planet! It continues to this day. Russia is the same. Their own people fled to the west to escape their governments’ tyranny. You are right this is Africa. This is why Mugabe up north is still wiping the floor with his own countrymen. This is why Shaka could annihilate 2 million people and terrorise many more and despite all common sense government names an international airport after this madman. This is why China will exploit African resources and the African people. Give me the western way of life any day! By the way, you can only suppress and disenfranchise a certain population group so far then the retaliation will start. If you think that whites in this country will just roll over you are badly mistaken. They have nowhere to go. Most whites also find it difficult to make ends meet and to survive. Yet they are the targets of oppressive and racist laws. Most of these people had very little during the apartheid days and they still have very little today. There are no winners in a war, do you get that? You are a fool if you think you’ll escape the consequences of war. South Africans should take their power back and give someone other than the ANC a chance for the next 5 years.

      Edward - 2012-03-05 16:20

      @Psalm; In your comments you make the point that people say;"foreign investors won't like this or that policy, meaning the west." Your implication seems to be that Africa should disenfranchise themselves from the west and look to china. From what I read from other comments on this site and others is that the West was the source of colonialism and disrespect of the black African. And this of course is true, in the past. I would respectfully challenge you to look at china, korea, and Japan and look carefully at their views on race. Look at how the view mixed marriages (ones between Chinese and Koreans for example). You might find that what the west has done in the past but now apologized for in the present China does as a matter of policy. Before SA gets into bed with China they might want to do so with the lights on for a better look.

      Colin - 2012-03-06 08:38

      @Boer, are you hoping we turn into a zimbabwe? sick

      Psalm - 2012-03-06 21:44

      @ andile.ngcobo Thank you for you kind words. Indeed, we do not have to agree on everything (even as Africans), but we can all (well, the sane among us, that is) seek to find common ground on the essentials and build upon that for the good our country :-)

      Psalm - 2012-03-06 22:07

      @ Joe Your comment is well...pointless. You, in fact, represent part of what is wrong in many white South African circles. You make wild claims about only being able to disenfranchise people for so long - implying that whites are disenfranchised. History teaches that it was only whites who disenfranchised non-whites. Furthermore, no sane person would dare imply that whites in SA are disenfranchised. Then... you include silly thinly-veiled threats implying that whites will fight back, because they have nowhere to go. Point of correction there: white South Africans clearly have somewhere to go - Europe, USA - like your fellow whites making headliness claiming asylum and those who have signed an online petition seeking to be "repatriated" to Europe... So, clearly plenty of white South Africans don't consider themselves African or even imagine they belong here. Furthermore, even if you feel you have nowhere to go, that feeling will not grant you victory the civil war you seem to relish. Some of the whites in Zim also felt they had nowhere to go... but they still went to that "nowhere". Then...to top it all, you arrogantly expect Africans to "take their power back"...Yawn. Plenty of Africans feel empowered by the ANC. Why should an anti-African like you imagine he can dictate to them about the next 15 years? Also, do not get confused. They are often winners in war - ask Japan, China, the Libyans, the Israelis, the French, Shaka Zulu, USA, etc. Let's not talk nonsense.

      MikeFraser - 2012-03-06 22:45

      Michelle, check the bananas on your tree. They can fill a plantation.

  • Johan Grobbelaar - 2012-03-04 11:45

    They DO need two thirds majority though... Didn't see that in the last sheepcount.

      Boer - 2012-03-04 11:56

      Only if they want to do it in a democratic way. Don't forget that SA is just another African state.

      IAnon - 2012-03-04 12:05

      Get Real. Up till now they have done what they want twoThirds or not.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-03-05 21:45

      @ Johan Grobbelaar..For what's it worth..I was listening to a discussion this morning on Radio Without Borders by a political prof about the changing of our Constitution. Seems that changes to the constitution which dont impede the liberty of any citizens need a 2/3rds majority... But several important changes to the make-up of the Conbench, for instance their composition, powers, and precedents need a 75% majority ..and a long, complicated procedure to enforce any validated change. The cherry on top is the fact that such changes can only be validated by the judges of the Concourt themselves. He mentioned that these clauses are quite explicit and anyone that knows the Constitution well enough should be aware of this. He emphasized how difficult and drawn out this procedure could be and it would be possible but most unlikely that anybody would be able to do this. (dont know how reliable this info is but given the fact that he is a Prof in political science, I would give this some credence

      Colin - 2012-03-06 08:39

      Amazing how you guys dream of this country self destructing WTF!!!

  • Bob - 2012-03-04 11:46

    There was nothing wrong with the current constitution...The ANC just don’t have the ability and credibility to implement it correctly..!

  • Tanie - 2012-03-04 11:46

    They must be smoking MOTOKWANE before they go to their meetings.Who told them that a notifiable disease is determined by what the constitution says. These fools cannot stop to embarrass us. Mamphele, hurry up and lead the DA.

      nthabiseng.priklopil - 2012-03-04 14:03

      According to Max the gorrila, she is inferior 'cause she is black. What makes you think she will have the majority of DA party members?

      Francois - 2012-03-04 14:27

      Oom Kriel, is that really you? No swearing words and jealousy? A relevant statement as well? Nthabiseng, the DA is beyond race, racism was taken over from the NP wby the ANC when they took over government. Did you, Nthabiseng, notice that the DA increased its support in the last municipal elections with 3 women on the poster and only one of them white? Oops, you still think PW is state president? Get with the times.

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 18:48

      Francois No,that is not true.Schalwyk(sp?) led a small group to the ANC,the rest joined up with the DP to form DA.Most of the hard core nats are with the DA or with ff+.Dont decieve yourself.

  • Ron - 2012-03-04 11:48

    Too much ANC interference in government. We must separate party and government as the ANC only serves its members and voters, not all South Africans.

      Sinudeity - 2012-03-04 11:52

      The ANC in government only serves its leaders, not even their voters. Nevermind South Africa.

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 18:48

      didn't know that you need to carry an ANC membership card to get gov services

  • Trevor - 2012-03-04 11:49

    Communism at it's core....do this and people like myself, who have the capital to invest in SA will take our hard earned money and divert to other countries. I'll be watching this closely because this is absolute NONSENSE!

      IAnon - 2012-03-04 12:07

      And so think many.

      Marion - 2012-03-04 13:55

      If they do this I certainly hope you are not the only potential investor who shows his/her displeasure by letting their money do the walking.

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 18:49

      China, will be walking in the opposite direction :)

  • Christopher - 2012-03-04 11:50

    The constitution of this country is no political party's mandate, its the peoples...

  • Wendy - 2012-03-04 11:51

    They must be running out of money, so need changes to get it some other way!

  • Carlos - 2012-03-04 11:53

    A BEE code for the Printed Media sector... No wonder they supported Gaddafi and probably now Assad... Indeed, Armageddon...

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 18:50

      do you have proof that the ANC supports Assad?

      alansmartSnr - 2012-03-05 22:03

      @ Hugo.. Do you have proof that they dont..Their mere silence is screaming it out that they do. They supported Ghidafi and the other dictators, and God forbid, they are vying to get the chairmanship of the OAU. As for them raising their babies to be ANC. This will be a blessing in disguise. We all know how kids are brought up to beleiving in the tooth fairy and Father Xmas.. only to find out when they are a few years older to see it was all just a myth, The same will happen when they realize that the ANC ideals are as much a reality as these fairy stories.

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 23:49

      hahaha Alansmart shifting the burdenvof proof,you came with the allegation so prove it.If we follow your logic I can then say there dancing devils on the moon,prove that they aren't there.

  • Gert - 2012-03-04 11:54

    And so it begins.

  • Leon - 2012-03-04 11:54

    is this a joke? early aprils fool maybe? recruiting newborns? come on news 24 this is a joke right

      Spyker - 2012-03-04 12:06

      It is not a joke - it is a FASCIST BLACK NATIONALISTIC regime in the making. This is verbatim how the NAZI's took over Germany.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-04 12:17

      Too right Spyker, the ANC wants the kids involved, this was the Jugendbund in Nazi Germany. Kids informed on their own parents!

      Craig - 2012-03-05 21:11

      The ANC is hedging it's bets. To get 2/3 majority the new voting age will become 18 months old

  • Nkosana - 2012-03-04 11:56

    that's what absolute power does, it corrupts absolutely.

  • Lacrimose - 2012-03-04 11:59

    Don't touch us on our constitution! Bloody agents! This was just a matter of time - part of the long tradition throughout the continent. The constitution, the judiciary, are the last obstacles in the way of a on-party state/dictatorship. As with everything else that made this country viable, they will not rest until they have unpicked and dismantled every last piece.

      Piet - 2012-03-04 13:19

      The US ammended their constitution 27 times. Constitional drafters are not perfect and the public sentiment that gives expression to any constition is likley to change over time. Furthermore, the document reflects needs and requirements of the time, surely those things changes over time.

      Geronimo - 2012-03-04 14:32

      Piet - The US Constitution was adopted in 1787, 225 years ago. The first 10 amendments were the adoption of a Bill of Rights in 1791. There have therefore only been 17 "actual" amendments over more than 200 years... To achieve an amendment, the "proposed amendment must find a national super majority of 67% in Congress, both House (people) and Senate (states). The second step requires a super-super 75% majority of the states ratifying, representing a majority of the people in the states ratifying". In the US the amendments are added as addendums to the Constitution, they never replace the original content. However, preference is given to any more recent amendment. What we must not lose sight of is the fact that the Constitution in SA is more important than any party elected to govern the country. The governing party must act in accordance with the Constitution, not the other way round. By all means, the Constitution may be amended if the governing party is able to achieve a 66.67% majority, but they do not have this and are unlikely to achieve this in the next elections, so I view much of the fear as misplaced.

      Geronimo - 2012-03-04 14:38

      It is vital that everyone uses the power of their vote. Most of the people I know do not vote, thinking it futile and inconsequential. How wrong they are, if even to prevent the ANC from achieving a 2/3rds majority. Do the right thing and use your vote!

      Lacrimose - 2012-03-04 20:47

      We have a world-class constitution. It needs world-class people & a world-class attitude to ensure it survives. No matter which democratic country you live in, citizens cannot blithely hand over their rights to politicians and trust that their wishes will be met. Democracy only survives where the citizens are vigilant and act swiftly.

      Gail - 2012-03-05 15:18

      The sad thing about this is that there are many people out there who see this as a bad thing. If one looks at this on a global basis no isms are really working right now. A part of me believes that what the world needs right now is total collapse and anarchy where we revert to the law of the jungle and survival of the fittest regardless of who they may be. Looking East there are huge problems with overpopulation which is why the East is looking both West and East for salvation. The West is imploding on itself economically - they have reached their zenith and tipping point and are now sliding downwards into the abyss. Then we are entering a phase of huge climate change. The oceans are warming killing off sea creatures en masse and natural phenomena are wreaking havoc around the world. Where does this leave Africa as a continent? I've always felt that my ancestors made a mistake because we tried to impose liberal thinking on a continent which had previously lived with a survival instinct and even today seem to value life differently. Africa is sunk whichever way one looks at it and those who remain need to work together to save Africa from Africa's problems which are bigger than racism. Quite simply we have to work together to ensure that the strongest and smartest both survive to rebuild Africa when Armageddon comes. I accept responsibility for my own contribution to whatever is to come and I hope it will be peaceful but I'm not counting on it.I won't kill but I will die.

  • IAnon - 2012-03-04 12:03

    Constitutions are “living documents and reflect the stage of development of a given society”, the ANC says - I beg to differ, you have yet to develop anything other than stealing from your people and plundering reserves. You are playing with fire ANC if you think you can get away with this.

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 18:52

      the constitution was authored by the ANC. De Klerk and crew chipped in with the sunset clauses

  • Johan - 2012-03-04 12:04

    I expected this a long time ago!@ #$%

  • Cracker - 2012-03-04 12:09

    The Constitution is supposed to belong to the country and all the people of the country - not to serve as the instrument for self-gain and ideologies of the current politicos in power. But as usual it will be quite easy for them to mislead and convince the ordinary party members and branches to adopt the changes. Which brings us to the media appeal tribunal they have in mind. They want to find the sources and whistle blowers of wrongdoings so they can keep their mismanagement and dishonesty secret. A so-called living document does not mean the freedom to adjust it or interfere with the composition of the courts to allow current politicos to do as they like with the freedoms of others. They can't even run the hospitals properly but now they aim at running the economy. Which is what they are in fact doing. The truth is that some individuals are getting themselves nicely positioned at the expense of the rest.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-04 12:20

      SA will have to go through a Civil War, it is always inevitable. Just when, This could be the catalyst. Messing with the Reserve Bank is dangerous though, I am not sure the owners will be too happy with this... do they want the CIA destabilising the country to gain control... the middle east comes to town.

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 18:53

      civil war has to have warring factions,have you identified them Mr/Ms goyo?

  • ZION - 2012-03-04 12:13

    The very fact that the ANC wishes to scrap all sunset clauses is a direct indication that they are totally incapable of running the country. If those clauses were to come into operation most government and civil departments would close down and re-opened with different and new employees. The clauses relates to accountability and proper operation of the departments. We just need to look around as then we will see the rot, stupidity and incompetence. The sunset clauses also stipulate that no previous worker in a department affected by the clause may be re-employed in such department. The ANC has really woken up to the fact that the populace of this country sees them for a bunch of idiots and incompetent clowns and fools. R300 million has been stolen. That is R6/capita yet we hear about threats to bring those criminals to book yet none seem to materialise. The circus tent of the ANC has come unstuck and now these measures and proposals will be introduced to stay their failing regime.

      Bianca-Anne - 2012-03-04 14:51

      Zion - Please read a document called "Mechansims for Resolving Divisive Issues in Constitutional Negotiation" - it discuss the Sunset Clause but the relevance I see in the changes is to take it away on the basis that it is not relevant anymore and have created more damage as good. Yet reasons you citing is why the ANC want to bring changes, to take away the powers of those abusing the system and doing corruption... and NO the ANC is not a bunch of idiots and incompetent clowns and fools and are not siting in any circus tent .... We have allot of decent, intellegent and good morally people within the ANC, unable to do ever corruption - good people - Don't generalise and stereorilise ... Maybe it is time to start to rather look upon them as to look on those that are corrupt and doing bad things.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-04 15:17

      Bianca, if you are Pro ANC in this political climate, then you are pro corruption, fraud, graft, racketeering, racism and lies. It really is that simple, no matter which way you spin it, this is the general perception and general norms of the organisation.

      ZION - 2012-03-04 15:59

      Bianca-anne. Most of the government departments are in dire straits for some or other reason: just look at the police force and works department. education and see the corruption there. some corruption is far too much. If a sunset clause is abided by then this poor state of affairs will be terminated but just cannot go on for ever. It will get worse. Always much talk and hype with education but our system is one of the worst in the world. The sunset clause will give south Africans a better South Africa than what we currently have. Bianca just by the way: I respect your political persuasions even though I may not like them. Sadly there is a strong tendency in this country to discrimination against those that differ. Sterkte.

  • george.kamfer - 2012-03-04 12:15

    "Some in the ANC have been calling for the scrapping of inflation targeting and a weakening of the rand to, among others, boost mining exports." - The Norm in Africa today. E.g. Nigeria, Zim, ..... Its like saying; lets make our live easier now, by selling everything we have... so short sighted!!!

      Gail - 2012-03-05 15:31

      He who has nothing, has nothing to lose and is possibly a wiser man than he who clings to things he can't eat and drink and disdains to eat the crumbs that come his way. Ultimately you can't take it with you when you die and those who haven't worked for it do not value what they receive from others. It only serves to weaken the will to work for one's own survival.

  • Renier - 2012-03-04 12:15

    It was the plan from the beginning. Here it comes - another one party state. The authority of the courts will be wiped out in the process as well! Only those that are "connected" will be able to survive.

      Gail - 2012-03-05 15:37

      I think the reality is that once those in power (a small number in reality) are seen to be as naked as those they have fleeced the pendulum will reach its peak and that "powerful" minority will be overcome by the tidal wave of the have-nots in much the same way that the apartheid government was. This is my consolation p that those who have seen fit to enrich themselves alone will ultimately be seen for what they are and maybe their descendents who inherit will die for it if they haven't been killed before then.

  • keith.staniford - 2012-03-04 12:18

    Of course they want a new constitution, they've broken every rule of the old one. Wank..s!

  • Bomb - 2012-03-04 12:22

    Time for the "African Spring"..................here we at least don't have to worry about the police (they cant shoot) or the army (cause it basically doesn't exist)...and they will all probably join the looting anyway. Remove these terrorists by force and plunder their ill earned treasures...........AMAAAAAAANDLAAAAA.........uhhhhh....uhh....then I woke up!!

  • Helmut - 2012-03-04 12:24

    Is this the influence of our new bosses from the east? Will the new constitution be written in Chinese?

  • Riaan - 2012-03-04 12:25

    There goes the little bit of credible democracy we have left..

      Alan - 2012-03-04 12:34

      The word 'Democracy' applies only to Athens of 2 500 years ago, not to RSA 2012. Today we need a new word to describe 'tyranny by the majority carried out by counting sheep'.

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 18:58

      democracy I understand that dermos means people and cracy means power.Modern definitons involve freedom of the media,equality before the law and economic emancipation(linked to basic human rights).From the look of things SA does extremely well in all bar the economic equality aspect.

  • gavinmannion - 2012-03-04 12:26

    Lol the comments here are ridiculous. Everytime the slightest thing is uncovered the News24 comments go nuts and when it's finally wrung through the political dryer and comes out the other side there you've all found something else to panic about. This article is based on an unproven internal draft of ideas. Don't any of you work in large companies? How many batty ideas have you heard across a board room that eventually turn into good things? But no let's all panic and blame the scary black people... I'd hedge a bet that 90% of you thought the country was doomed in 94, 96, 2000, 2006 and no one thought the WC would ever have succeeded ;)..

      Boer - 2012-03-04 12:37

      And I will hedge a bet the you think it is improving since 94? Time to take your head out of your a$$. Your fellow black citizen are not to blame(really). They are just been misused in their fighf for freedom. Remember just one thing, they will turn against you in a blink of an eye.

      IAnon - 2012-03-04 12:38

      LOL all you want - but don't cry later.

      Colin - 2012-03-04 12:46

      Well said Gavin! I remeber going to buy a bottle of Milk on the evening of the 26th April 1994. I went to Knowles Spar in Pinetown and was confronted with the most bizarre scene I have ever seen. The checkout queues were crazy and panic-mongers were there in their droves piling trollies high with everything they could hoard, stripping the shelves like the end of the world was round the corner. I asked a couple what they were doing, and they told me that the next day was the election and this was the last time they would be able to buy food. sure, there are thinigs to worry about, but look what happened there. We developed a society that is becoming accepted around the world. Sure there are problems, but probably most re growing pains, and we have to believe that no one would be stupid enough to allow the type of deterioration that looney Bob caused. So folks, as I keep on saying, convert your wasted negative energy into a positive stance to take part in the countries growth and make positive changes in your lives. Also known as "Stop Whining and do something"

      gordon.p.jacobs - 2012-03-04 13:32

      Gavin, Colin I can't like your comments enough! Can't believe all these reactionist comments on this article (and as mentioned almost every other article like this), and these people are trying to sell themselves as intelligent. Ha Ha Ha.. Black is bad, Africa bad, ANC evil. These are 'givens' - no real proof needed. Just imitations of proof. Gee whizz, I didn't vote ANC- ID actually- so I know they not perfect. But they no Zanu-Pf. Civil war? Please. Not happening. To many people in this country want a good peaceful life and want it with their fellow Saffas. Going the way of Zim? That's also been predicted since forever and still not happened. Don't know what's wrong with these, must be pessismists, must like living in hate and frustration. If they didn't have that, they couldn't relate to life.

      Thabo - 2012-03-04 14:16

      @Gavin,Colin & Gordon. It was such a relief to read your comments. To think most of the rest of the hysterical comments are made by men? Sounds more like a bunch of neurotic women. I love the way this one wackhead is mobilizing his army! I bet he will rock up for battle in his high heels and mini skirt. As for the rest of these worshippers of Apartheid...say no more.

      Mano-Lee - 2012-03-04 15:25

      @thabo gavin colin - you may have a point here. Just like the sandman flying from roof top to roof top. What you guys are putting forward flies against everything that is africa. History in africa always repeats itself. And dont just take it on my word, but, look at every liberated country up north and you will see a golden thread, a modus apperandi that stalks each and evry one. You'd be fools not to think it wont happen here as the prevobial golden thread has already stiched itself into our very fabric of life here in SA. We can already see that education has crumbled, health care has taken a back seat, the rule of law is not being applied and is slowly withered away, the police force has become the security force of the anc, corruption has taken hold in every sphere of goverment without any end in sight and the ranting and propoganda of the ruling elite has blinded the masses. I pray you guys are right, but, sanity and wisdom dictates another story about to unfold. I guess time will tell...

      andile.ngcobo - 2012-03-04 16:16

      @Gavin,Colin & Gordon Thank you for the sanity, these people are part of reason that this country moves forward so slowly economically and socially. The problem is that there are to many media outlets who should know better but jump at the chance to give both white and black idiots a platform to do so much damage to our economy and our reputation as a country.

      Tasmee - 2012-03-04 18:26

      Gavin, Collin, Thabo and the rest who stay calm and sane, thank you! Love the part about the super intelligent dude who claims the white race as superior through their exceptional IQ's yet is busy rounding up his army! lol! We have come too far as South Africans to allow our country to become a Zim. We are bridging the racial gaps and overcoming the same issues that affect us all, I cannot understand the reasoning of some.

      Elton - 2012-03-05 16:09

      Urrrm Thabo, it is you who are the apartheid lover (read, anti-democratic lover). Sorry dude, I want to live in a democratic country. So go and vote for your apartheid that you love so much.

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 19:03

      @Gavin,colin,gordon :)

  • Andres - 2012-03-04 12:29

    I wanted to help build a great South Africa. But this is it, it's over! If this comes to fruition, it is war! They MUST be ousted from power by 2014. We are seconds to midnight now, liberation movements have 20-years before the clock strikes midnight and a neo-fascist dictatorship takes hold. We MUST fight them at the polls in 2014. If this fails and if Section 1 of the constitution is tampered with, the Western Cape will have to internationally declare a constitutional and human-rights crisis in South Africa and begin secession. If we can't save SA from the west, we'll have to save ourselves. This is it people... stand up and fight for democracy, or we can say in 2030, that SA was once a great nation, just a pity Mandela's principals were never upheld and in 2014, it began its precipitous decline.

      Boer - 2012-03-04 12:38

      Don't think mandela has nothing to do with this.

      Mano-Lee - 2012-03-04 15:27

      @boer - absolutely right. His silence speaks volumes.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-05 14:30

      He's frigging 93, leave the old man alone..

  • jurgen.eksteen - 2012-03-04 12:30

    Luckily they can't do anything, because they need a 2/3 majority which they lack at the moment. And this thing about recruiting newborns into the anc is nothing more than a fail communist concept. It will never last.

      Alan - 2012-03-04 12:36

      Step 1 : Recruit newly borns Step 2 : Lower the voting age to one year QED

      alansmartSnr - 2012-03-05 22:34

      @ Alan.. So true..LOL

  • Piet - 2012-03-04 12:31

    The changes to the constitution relates to Health (an by extention powers of provinces) and powers of the Reseave Bank. Regarding the researve bank, the ANC claims that the focus is too narrow, vis-a-vis, inflation targeting. In countries such as China, government has more control over reserve bank policy. Infact in the US while the Fed does inflation target, its stated mandate is not as narrow as SARB. Unless we are all economist, we ought to let the economists fight this amongst themsleves and government first. Bottom line is that Reserve Bank policy interference is not uncommon amongst developed economies. Regarding NHI, more comprehensive health for all is what all societies should be striving for. In our case it will be offered by national government, similar to france and the UK. We here changes to the consitution, and without understanding the changes we are prepared to bear arms. The truth is SA after 15 yrs of ANC rule is a top 30 economy and while other economies are faultering, we realised consistent growth. While I am not an ANC supporter, I do respect that this party has been democratically voted by all voting South Africans. As South Africans we ought to be, constructively, contributing to the discussion. Engaging on mediums such as these with the negativity and calls to arms are not conducive to the devlopment of a better place to live for all of us and our families.

      IAnon - 2012-03-04 12:56

      In 2014 after another hard day at work, with SARS, having direct access to your account just having withdrawn a major chunk of you earnings to feed the machine, lets see if you are still so happy to defend your point of view Piet. BTW - SA sits at #35 (www.doingbusiness.org/rankings) - should the ANC get it right and implement what is on paper I give you one guess as to where SA will be ranked in 2020.

      Cracker - 2012-03-04 13:11

      @ Piet Look at the WHOLE package that is being presented. And ask exactly what it is that motivates it.

      Piet - 2012-03-04 13:13

      Hi IAnon, nothwithstanding the doing business rankings, which in themsevles are subjective, SA ranks as follows GDP: 29th (IMF), 28 (World Bank), 29th (CIA world factbook) Yes we have a larger economy than Thailand, Denmark, Greece, Finland, Portgal, etc. Our debt to gdp ratio is 33% the average EU state is 80%m Portugal 92%, etc. Effectively the higher standards experience by those countries to date where partly funded by borrowed money that now has to be paid back. World competitveness report the country is ranked Number 1 in firm auditing standards Number 5 and 6 in financial services maturity and innovation. and the list goes on. We live in a country with great potential and most of the fundamentals are in place. I suspect that my requests will be faced with fierce criticisms, but if some of the engergy demonstrated here could be channelled through more productive, social fabric and nation building, this could be an even greater place to live.

      Piet - 2012-03-04 13:36

      Hi IAnon, WHile the doingbusiness in itself in subjective, more ought to be done in addressing some of the indicators that gives expression to the ranking. One of the indicators is the time to open a new business, which is too and exchange legislation needs to be addressed. But here is the rub, while most of europe is in recession here is SA we have it quite good, economically anyway. Our economy (GDP) isranked respectively 28 (IMF), 29 (WorldBank), 29 (CIA factbook) economy in the world, and unlike most of europe, growing at above 3% per annum. Yes our economy is larger than Thailand, Denmark, Greece and portugal. We are ranked #1 (World Competitveness Index) for stregnth of auditing (driven by legislation) 5 and 6 in terms of financial innovation and maturity and the list goes on. We are world class and in many cases world beeting. I cannot understand all this pessimism, within the context of whats happening elsewhere in the world. Our public debt to gdp ratio is 33%, portugal=119%, Ireland 94%, EU=80%. This means that lifestyle in those economies, in part was funded through borrowing which now has to be reapid. We are living in a country that has so much potential, and if some of the energy demonstrated here can be used constructlively this can be an even greater place to live in. I just came from Greece and Portugal, and the grass is not greener.

      IAnon - 2012-03-04 13:53

      @Piet "World competitveness report the country is ranked Number 1 in firm auditing standards Number 5 and 6 in financial services maturity and innovation." Tell me again Piet - how come Billions upon Billions of Rands are being stolen and squandered and we have such capacity yet nothing is being done about it. You are right, SA has great potential but not with the crew that's currently running it.

      Marion - 2012-03-04 14:04

      @Piet - It is 18 years of ANC rule.

      jeanpierre.dumont - 2012-03-04 14:48

      @IAnon Billions was wasted under the National Party rule which lasted 50+ years. I did not hear you complaining then. The fact of the matter is the country is in far better shape today than it ever was under the Nats. Every government is corrupt, is comprised of individuals chasing their own agendas after their own personal gratification. You only have to look at the US as a prime example of this.

      IAnon - 2012-03-04 15:49

      @Dumont You are one very confused puppy.

      rory.short1 - 2012-03-04 18:15

      Piet a Constitution is hopefully accepted by the majority of the inhabitants and then can serve as a framework to which government legislation must conform. At the end of the day any government only represents that section of the population who voted for them thus government does not represent everybody although they often like to claim that they do. The Constitution hopefully acts as a break on any government excessive partiality.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-04 20:02

      Thanks, Piet for thinking clearly. There is good and bad in everything. Example: "Home Affairs is a mess" When last were you there? Have you noticed the changes? Please stop frothing at the mouth. A lot of government institutions have improved over the last six months. I speak as a private citizen. Give credit where credit is due - to the ANC for trying to improve, and the DA for making sure they do.

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 19:09

      Ianon you know of the billions that are stolen because... some one has been doing some auditing and noticed something was amiss and investigations promptly followed,which explains why SA is Ranked number ooooooooone in auditing

  • paulfourie46 - 2012-03-04 12:35

    Welcome to the second Zimbabwe, they won't stop till there is nothing left!!!

      jeanpierre.dumont - 2012-03-04 14:49

      Rubbish.

  • Consolata Connie Lodya - 2012-03-04 12:35

    Dear anc I would like you to know that the only way that I will allow you to change the constitution and make me pay for the e-tolls is if you do the following in the correct order: 1. Return all the money that you have stolen from the people by placing this in a tax free fund. 2. Donate all your assets in your will to the people and once again it must be tax free. 3. Walk to the highest building in SA. 4. Jump off the building and die. 5. Resurrect yourself from the dead. 6. Walk to a crocodile infested river and get half eaten by the crocodiles. 7. Manage to put your whole body back together as it was before. 8. After getting half eaten you will be required to start building new schools and roads and other infastructure in SA. If you can do all of this in the order that it follows ONLY then will be sit down and discuss any changes to the constitution.

      Francois - 2012-03-04 19:39

      Nice joke - part of the constitution 66.66% vote of parliament, some 75% - none of them are close to what the ANC has taking into account the absenteeism that they usually have. Thus, I think this one will backfire - just leave it, rather encourage Malema me in Malema me out to have his own party.

  • Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-03-04 12:36

    Press bill, Concourt review now the constitution, whats going on in Luthuli house? our constitution has been constantly named as one of the best if not the best in the world, a small change could be significant enough to destroy all that, this will surely raise sum eyebrows.

  • selfdiscovery - 2012-03-04 12:37

    DON"T GO INTO FEAR! We are about to go through a HUGE shift in consciousness. Top bankers, politicians, Bill Gates, the Bushes etc are about to be arrested, along with many others that have been keeping us enslaved. 2012 is the year it is all going to change. April you will see massive changes in the world, so watch your thoughts and actions, dont lower yourself into the dark. Get your popcorn ready for the GRAND SHOW that has already started! palmtreelifestyle(.)wordpress(.)com

      Brett Bruce - 2012-03-04 14:49

      I think you are confusing the term enslaved with employed.

  • Thandi - 2012-03-04 12:40

    H.K.G.K.

  • Cracker - 2012-03-04 12:41

    "Sunset clauses" in the Constitution is a misnomer. It is a new and devious invention by certain elements in the ANC to influence its members and to justify changes to the Constitution. Just like the phrases "first transition" and "second transition" are inventions to suit the politicos and to manipulate public opinion. The politicos will be the ones who will decide and run the economy. What have they so far managed properly? NOTHING except perhaps SARS. They have failed and now they are trying to find excuses to sell to the gullible and stay in personal power. They know that they will probably fail with their new plans but at least they will be able to hide a lot of it and find new excuses as they carry on. They are taking steps to safeguard themselves. Regulate everything and keep the truth hidden. And of course use indoctrination. Introduce so-called ubuntu in schools? It is indoctrination with a communist flavor they plan to introduce. Anyway, their plans are so obvious that one hardly needs to waste time on it. Anyone with a modicum of common sense can see what is taking place. Perhaps people should be reminded that the easiest way to wipe out the middle class and take total control of the economy is to encourage rampant inflation. Thereafter we will all be absolutely equal in our misery and subject total state control. The economists can elaborate on and explain it properly.

  • Anneck - 2012-03-04 12:42

    Hit the deck, it's all happening. Following in Zimbabwe's footsteps. One day South Africa will be another one party dictatorship.

      jeanpierre.dumont - 2012-03-04 14:51

      Like it was when the Nats ruled the place.

      Eric - 2012-03-06 11:57

      @jeanpierre. I thought that the ANC was supposed to be an improvement and not just another version of the NP. You appear to disagree?

  • Nigel - 2012-03-04 12:43

    1st it was Aparthied, then white capital, now its the constitution that is to blame for the ANC's 17 years of failure.... STOP LOOKING FOR EXCUSES & start doing your jobs !!!!!!!!!!

      IAnon - 2012-03-04 13:00

      You are asking the wrong people to do their jobs! We the people should be doing our job and that is to vote the ANC out of government!

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 19:11

      they cant blame the constitution,it is after all the ANC 's baby.

  • Dave Prinsloo - 2012-03-04 12:46

    being a politician is a notifiable disease

      Anneck - 2012-03-04 13:04

      Showers do the job!

  • Sheik - 2012-03-04 12:48

    And thet lorded your great Constitution as the best in the World. Now it requires changes. They are going to try and make Communism work, they don't even see their puppet masters in China can't getting it right.

      Cracker - 2012-03-04 12:59

      It must be fact what you say. They are trying to amalgamate personal enrichment/self-interest and communism/socialism. The latter for the rest of us fools. It is an experiment to see if they can reverse the poor historical record of communism. If it fails, what the devil. The individuals responsible for the misery will make sure they are safe. In the meanwhile the opportunists who want land and farms for themselves will support the proposals. Easy land grabbing for them. The rest will have to "proudly" work the land under the orders of the party politicos and the Inspectorate.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-03-05 23:02

      @ Sheik.. No hostility but you wrong.. China has advanced from a non compomentace to a massive economy in a matter of 8 years. Admittedly 'cos they have no labour laws (as economic breaks). They don't allow Unions and they are probably the hardest working nation in the world. Admittedly they dont care about human rights at all. Corruption brings a death penalty. But they did and still are getting it right..

  • Errol - 2012-03-04 12:56

    This is no surprise!It's not a question of "will they"?It's ONLY a question of when!!

  • malcolm - 2012-03-04 13:00

    ANC= A New Constitution. These ANC fools always thought the constitution was there to protect them, not realising it was put in place to protect the beneficiaries of democracy. The beneficiaries being the normal voter on the street. Since the constitution keeps catching the ANC fools out, they now want tom change it so it doesn't protect the voters, but rather protects the ruling party. The voters need to understand that their long fought freedom & democracy will be once again robbed from them by the ANC if they do not get rid of this vile party in the 2014 election. Time is running out for democracy in S.A. We move closer and closer to a dictatorship.

      andile.ngcobo - 2012-03-04 15:48

      The ANC wrote the constitution in the first place. It was not "put in place" it was negotiated and compromised into existence by Cyril Ramaphosa (ANC) and Rolf Meyer (NP later founded UDM with Bantu Holomisa).

  • william - 2012-03-04 13:02

    ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING PEOPLE???? THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL!!! OR ARE WE GOING TO JUST STAND AND DO NOTHING?????? THINK ABOUT IT NOW WHILE YOU STIL CAN!!!!!!

      Winston - 2012-03-04 14:44

      william, do you have any suggestions

      Andres - 2012-03-04 15:28

      Vote opposition!!! Take those who abuse power out of government.

  • Charmaine - 2012-03-04 13:08

    If the changes are for the Good of the people, then yes, make Positive changes. Please add the Stripes/Sjambokking/canning the rapists in public, as well.

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 19:12

      goes against the core tenets of a modern society,Charmaine

  • annie.kalahari - 2012-03-04 13:09

    The ANC ignores the present Constitution anyway - in every way they can. Obviously this dictatorship will simply continue doing as it pleases, mouthing off their constant streams of lying propaganda about 'democracy', 'equal rights' and other catch-phrase slogans which they DON'T support. I've become convinced that whenever the ANC-regime issues official statements, they actually mean the exact opposite.

      roger.pacey - 2012-03-04 18:50

      I agree that, even with an enviable Constitution, SA can become a failed state. One of the ingredients is a corrupt executive serving its own narrow interests: no Constitutional amendment needed.

  • Nkosinathi - 2012-03-04 13:10

    The first rot came about when those who were power hungry used Julius to ridicule Mbeki. Now that the fat snake had started biting them then they try to flush the hard sewage down the drain but its still keep on poping up tounting them. You do need highly educated economist to lead. In 1994 in an economic forum which was held in Cape Town June 9, when Mandela spoke of the joy at the discovery, as a united people, of our common humanity, our common interests and our common destiny, building a people-centred and caring society, and to together galvanise the human and material resources to serve the people. Its very sad that ANC was hijacked by a jackal called Malema. A school drpout that failed woodwork. There is a need to put people first. America still uses George Washington drafted constitution that was signed 17th September 1787 some 225 years ago.

      Francois - 2012-03-04 14:31

      Good point Nkosinathi, but the Yanks did amend their constitution quite a few time, but not recently.

      Hugo - 2012-03-05 19:18

      Ok Nkosinathi lets copy the American constitution shall we. Lets start with their preamble'we hold these things to be true... that every man is born equal blah blah flippin blah when they practiced slavery for over 40 years into their democracy.Guess the black person wasn't considered human after all.In the SA context that would mean you know who would only be left with some 22 years doing hard labour with neck chains.So you American comparison is ingeniuos.

      Marc - 2012-03-06 13:39

      @Hugo and Nkosinathi: The US Constitution has been amended several times. It is not a codified Constitution and is continually developed. However, each and every right enshrined is considered paramount to the existence of the USA. They do not tamper with it. Our Constitution is fully enshrined and condified. The US one is an open living document. And really to quote the Preamble to bring across a point is not that clever at all. Maybe quote the 1st Amendment or something like that. The original document was drafted with the view of forming government apart from the British Empire and to declare independence, since then it has undergone a number of changes. The US fought a bloody civil war over the right to slavery (which was considered paramount to economic prosperity) and therefore to judge the whole of the nation and the constitution on that point alone is ridiculous. Concepts against slavery only arose in the late 19th century. Rather put it down to lack of knowledge and thinking on the merits of that matter before stating that the US Constitution is flawed because of slavery. Your great grandparents also worked like slaves. There were no concept of fair labour practices until at least the late 20th century.

  • Gavibear - 2012-03-04 13:18

    And this is how it will begin.. the day these changes happen is the last day of "Democracy" in this country. It seems that communism is still what they want.

  • Bianca-Anne - 2012-03-04 13:18

    Are they referring to the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa or the Constitution of the African National Congress ... Since much of above reflects on changes to both ... but I assume for the one not belonging to the ANC, they will not know...

      Marion - 2012-03-04 14:14

      @Bianca-Anne - the article starts off by saying 'the country's Constitution'. I presume the recruitment of breast-feeding babies is just an ANC constitution thing. Grab them and indoctrinate them before they can start thinking for themselves.

      Bianca-Anne - 2012-03-04 14:29

      Marion - yes the heading starts with that ... yet certain points will not be possible to reflect within the Republic of South Africa Constitution but will reflect with the ANC Constitution as well - so before everyone go into a "rage" they must remember that changes will be done to both and refering to the Mangaung Conference refers to changes within the ANC Constitution and most of the article reflects on the Constitution of the ANC as well. However changes will be on the country Constitution. Refering to babies is taken out of context, it refers to people entering the ANC, not real infants ... people young in politics.

  • Pixie86 - 2012-03-04 13:24

    somehow this frightens me!

  • msnagdee - 2012-03-04 13:25

    That's good news . The "Sunset Clause" needs amendments.Thats palanning ahead for the darkened days ahead. Maybe the standard menu for lavish living will include Pap en Vleis mixed with Bananas.

  • Stephen - 2012-03-04 13:26

    They admit that people think that the ANC are nothing but self serving, so they propose to make changes to the constitution that give the government more power over things they shouldn't have power over. And what about recruiting people into the ANC from the day they are born, that sounds a lot like something that Pol Pot would have done. It makes me sick

  • Vuyo - 2012-03-04 13:37

    "principle of ubuntu should be introduced to the school curriculum" . What is Ubuntu , from me as a xhosa speaking person , the word ubuntu means different things to different people. It is a word which you can understand because you've had it said so many times but cannot define , ask any NGUNI speaker ( it is a NGUNI word). I think we should focus on literacy rather than complicate things for teachers . Life-skills is a flop and should be removed from the curriculum , and Ubuntu should be left out of the curriculim also. there are many other words that cannot be defined , just like " NICE " , it means what you want it to . The same with "UBUNTU" you can give it many definitions .

      elewies - 2012-03-04 20:34

      Yeah I agree with you Vuyo... And I'd just like to add that we did cover the concept of ubuntu when I was still in school (matriculated in '08)... So I really don't know why the constitution should be amended to have this taught in schools

      spesbona47 - 2012-03-04 20:46

      As I am led to believe "Ubuntu" means sharing and, above all, co-operation, but where do blacks ever co-operate? The reason why all-black soccer sides rarely beat white or mixed-race (eg, Brazil) sides is all down to this character flaw. The maestro (in his own mind) doesnt want to pass the ball in case another player gets the credit for scoring.

      keith.downs3 - 2012-03-05 09:40

      @ Vuyo: thank you for bringing light to this fractious debate. Ubuntu is lovely; a social protocol amongst the people that must not die, but it is not a political ideology nor a religious one. We should resist people who wish to hijack a common code of manners and respect for political or religious purposes. Ubuntu has its equivalent in European cultures,these are the various codes of Chivalry. Chivalry, although more martial in its origin, seeks to establish protocol and manners and above all interpersonal respect. The South Asian people (Indians) also have a similar set of respect protocols, but I cannot remember the name (Help me?) My understanding of Ubuntu is that it is pointless talking about whether I am an African by birth or descent or assimmilation. I am an African because you are an African. Is this simple? Thank you Vuyo for your gracious post.

  • Mboneni - 2012-03-04 13:37

    There is nothing wrong with the constitution of South Africa,the problem is the ruling party that lacks political will and vision to make the constitution a workable document.The document itself will not be able to deliver jobs,security,health and proper education as loong as it is being steered by crooks and the corrupt.The people have the right to doubt the credibility of our dubuous leadership as lon as there is perpetual leadership battles at the expense of the poor and the jobless