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ANC will talk sex at Mangaung

2012-03-25 20:15

Johannesburg - The ANC Women’s League (ANCWL) wants to decriminalise prostitution in South Africa.

The league has authored a discussion document on gender in preparation for the party’s December conference in Mangaung.

In the document, the league argues that current laws lead to “total criminalisation of the seller” – women who work as prostitutes.

But it argues that the men who pay for sex are not treated with the same heavy-handedness.

“To decriminalise it, that is where we are going,” said ANCWL treasurer and Higher Education Deputy Minister Hlengiwe Mkhize.

“When the new bill is debated, people must understand it is not about women wanting to expose themselves. It is not about approving the behaviour; it is about how else women can position themselves.”

Mkhize said the league expected resistance so they had planned their approach carefully.

“As we move to the policy conference, we want to put the facts before people and build buy-in that way.”

She said the league hoped to pass a resolution decriminalising sex work at Mangaung.

The South African Law Reform Commission is investigating new prostitution laws.

Churches

“The ideal approach for the ANC will be to support a position that will embrace the dignity of women,” the league says in its document.

Asked how the country’s churches were expected to react to the proposed change in legislation, Mkhize referred to abortion legislation that government signed into law in 1996.

“Churches were saying no, but we still passed the law. The problem with churches is that churches prepare people for heaven, but not for life on earth. They are not supposed to condemn, they are supposed to educate.”

Former deputy health minister Nozizwe Madlala-Routledge addressed the league’s national executive committee on the issue of sex work while preparing the discussion document.

She is the leader of the Embrace Dignity Campaign, which advocates legislation that decriminalises prostitution to deal with human trafficking.

Comments
  • jason.joao - 2012-03-25 21:19

    Weirdly, I'm in support of this.

  • Cassandra Olivier - 2012-03-25 21:56

    They only want to legalise it so they can pay tax. I don't for get you men that work the street as well

  • Carlton - 2012-03-25 23:17

    Why was my comment removed* so much for free speech*. It was sacasm. Anyway I am against the legalisation of prostition. Legalise morality

      Muhammed - 2012-03-26 09:35

      Same thing happen to my comment. The reason for this may be because the author and/or News24 supports legalizing prostitution. The tragedy of this is that they have censored what they do not agree with.

  • zaatheist - 2012-03-26 04:17

    All these religious types pontificating about what their god wants and their superior morals. In the US (where research is done) the regions where there is the highest number of christians consume the most online porn. http://furiouspurpose.me/the-religious-do-love-their-porn/ US again. The more religious the state, the higher the rates of teen pregnancy. http://www.google.co.za/search?q=bible+belt+teenage+pregnancies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a Pakistan, a Muslim country, is the world's leader in online searches for pornographic material Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-pornographic-material/#ixzz1k9Yg0znd Religious morality. PAH!

      Ben - 2012-03-26 06:22

      Zaatheist, there are many people who call themselves religious. What Chritianity preach is LOVE. If one does not live by that he is no Christian. What I think about Chistianity in America, from what I can see, I would rather not say. Maybe one day in this lifetime tou might meet a Chritian and you will understand. Meanwhile dont make a fool of yourself by trying to state facts where there are none. Dont confuse Chritianity with any other religion. I know you will now come with all your arguments. I wont reply because I speak only once as I am speaking the truth.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-26 07:34

      Christianity preaches love. What bible is your version based upon because it surely is not the one I read. What type of Christian are you? A Hansie Cronje, Joost van der Westhuizen, Ray McCauley, prosperity gospel (check my designer shades), Christian;? A Benny Hinn fraud faith healer (no amputees allowed), Christian? A Pope, hates gays, condoms, abortion, birth control and reports of clergy child abuse, Christian? A Joseph Smith, I found the gold tablets and Jesus visited America, Christian? A Glossolalia, cmtru wiggwagg snogerumpus slobberdam molosovic, tongue slobbering, rolling on the floor, Christian? A Jim Jones, have some Kool-Aid, Christian? A David Koresh, what a lovely little daughter you have, Christian? A Sun Myung Moon, the moonie messiah, Christian? A Seventh Day Adventist, Kellogg's Corn Flakes on Saturday, Christian. A cafeteria Xian, who decides which bible bits to peddle and which no longer apply, to fit his preconceptions. A Jehovah's Witless, sorry no blood transfusions and you are not one of the lucky 144000, Christian? So many types I need more space ...............

      zaatheist - 2012-03-26 07:35

      Types of Christians continued ............. A sex obsessed member of The Family type Christian? A Christian Scientist, we don't do doctors but pray even if kiddies die, Christian? A gun toting, rapture ready. American Jesus, the world is going to end this year, again, Christian? An Aryan National, neo-nazi, we hate Jews and people with dark skins and Jesus was a white man, Christian? An anti-science, anti-knowledge, the world is only 6000 years old, Christian? None of the above but a true ™, whatever that means, Christian? Understand my confusion? It helps to know where you are coming from.

      Susan - 2012-03-26 07:55

      I am a Christian, but I hear you! Not your words but your lifestyle speaks of what you believe in. Laws won't change moral values, or make woman understand they were made for more when they cannot find work and can barely survive. Only when I get off my ass, go meet a girl in prostitution, get to know here, actively help her to find alternative income and councel her... only then things can change.

      Marion - 2012-03-26 08:31

      @zaatheist - For your information there is no rule in Christian Science that says members may not receive medical treatment. True (not fanatical) Christian Scientists do abide by the laws that say that children must receive medical treatment.

      Skuiter - 2012-03-26 08:41

      We get it. You dont like xtians. Now run along.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-26 10:47

      Hello skuiter So are you a true™ Christian? Just wondering because you all duck the issue.

  • Mirrorman - 2012-03-26 07:31

    Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure there are more pressing matters to discuss than legalising prostitution... Anyway...

  • Susan - 2012-03-26 07:42

    WOW,"The problem with churches is that churches prepare people for heaven, but not for life on earth. They are not supposed to condemn, they are supposed to educate." If this is the image the Churches of South Africa carries, we need to listen. I am a Christian and I believe that the role of the church is to actively make the world a better place right here and right now, not preparing people for heaven, but bringing heaven to earth! And as she rightly said not to condemn but to love...The Church is meant to lead by first and foremost serving people. There must be a better way... why don't the Churches reach out? What have we become... To legalize it won't do more damage, the damage is already there.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-26 10:48

      Ho Susan At last. At last. A Christian who posts common sense.

  • Marion - 2012-03-26 08:24

    Will legalizing prostitution stop human trafficking? Will legalizing prostitution result in less rapes? Will legalizing prostitution 'embrace the dignity of women,'? Personally don't think so. I don't agree with legalizing prostitution. In an age when the majority of people engage quite freely in non-marital sex the only reason I can think of why anyone would want to go to a prostitute (male or female) is because they want to engage in activities that no normal person would do unless they were being paid or were drugged out of their minds.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-26 11:11

      What do abnormal people do sexually that you find so offensive?

  • sariena.robbertse - 2012-03-26 08:41

    Zuma will do the sex talk job the best.

  • Skuiter - 2012-03-26 08:43

    People who use the services of prostitutes should be taxed as well. Heavily. These taxes should then be used to set up shelters for the SPCA. Simple really.

  • Muhammed - 2012-03-26 09:40

    News24 censors any comment that they disagree with. They do not encourage freedom of speech nor are they in support of diversity of opinion.

      Alain Alexander - 2012-03-26 19:41

      if so... why did they allow you to post this comment exposing them?

  • erneyb - 2012-03-26 09:41

    There are two kinds of prostitution: Legal or illegal. Why not have legal prostitution which is regulated w.r.t. save sex, exploitation of women and paying tax rather than illegal prostitution with all its problems. Prostitution is with us since biblical times and will never go away. Go see how the industry is regulated in Holland, learn and be wise.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-26 11:14

      Agreed. Just by making things illegal does not make them go away. Like prohibition, all it does is encourage gangsters to be involved and render women open to exploitation.

  • happysangweni.khuzwayo - 2012-03-26 09:44

    This is so not building our nations first it was abortion now prostitution where are we leading the world to. Christianity or not there are plenty carriers our children can do what kind of skill is this. The next thing will be putting prostitution as a skill in job requirement. I think ANCWL is loosing the direction of womenhood here, are this ladies or women who will be doing this going to be respected by the people they are living with. ANCWL please just because you have it all for now doesn't mean you have to kill our generations. Aniwona amakhosikazi kaninanembeza nhlobo.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-26 11:15

      Spoken like a true man commenting of women's issues.

  • jack.kukard - 2012-03-26 09:49

    Well they messed up everything , they may as well finish the job , schools , hospitals , roads , abortion and last but not least the thieves in government...

  • ivan.saaiman - 2012-03-26 09:54

    Prostitution Promotes Trafficking! gmtiny.com Media reports exposing the growing menace of human trafficking – mainly for prostitution – are emerging across the country. The warnings are clear – sex trafficking is a major threat in SA.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-26 11:16

      Because it is illegal that's why.

  • ivan.saaiman - 2012-03-26 09:54

    Prostitution Promotes Trafficking! Media reports exposing the growing menace of human trafficking – mainly for prostitution – are emerging across the country. The warnings are clear – sex trafficking is a major threat in SA.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-03-26 10:15

    No one can promote prostitution on one hand while claiming to protect woman's right on the other. The ANC simply wants to be able to tax sex workers and close the existing tax loopholes that prevent them from claiming their pound of flesh from this industry. Any claim of regulation and protection is nothing more than the usual drivel put forward by those in power to justify their own complicity in crime.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-26 11:16

      But it is the women's league making this proposal.

  • ndzulamiso - 2012-04-19 14:16

    Also check the cause of sex vendor:\r\npoverty,\r\nhigher prices of tertiaries,\r\nsleeping wth ur woman is rape,\r\npaying lobola is expensive.but buying sex kills families and in other way helps those who have high sexual libido.mmm...

  • ndzulamiso - 2012-04-19 14:18

    Also check the cause of sex vendor:\r\npoverty,\r\nhigher prices of tertiaries,\r\nsleeping wth ur woman is rape,\r\npaying lobola is expensive.but buying sex kills families and in other way helps those who have high sexual libido.mmm...

  • kelebogilekhutso.mmatlou - 2012-06-04 20:11

    well to some extend, I think it makes a lot of sense but let me not jump the gun and wait for the league to put the facts before the people as they have pointed out in this article

  • crystal.gillam - 2012-06-26 13:48

    In all honesty i did not realise it was still illegal, every other form of deviance is legalised, why is this one still lagging, if a woman wants to "position" herself through her vagina.... be used and spat on, have no self respect, who are we to say no! we all live with the consequences of our actions, be it pregnancy, numerous abortions, aids, filth, disease... your choices, why waste time on this kind of decision making? Everything else is lost.... go for it! Look at the womans leugue anyway, they are all too old for anyone to want to have sex with let alone pay for it, so I do not believe they should be deciding this.

  • Raymond Makuvhile Ndou - 2013-10-21 18:16

    they want to talk aboutafter Malema have brought forward the point that under his policies prostitutes will also be under catergory of people to be taken care of

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