ANCYL, Cosatu, Numsa on same page - Jim

2011-07-03 20:53

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League's position on nationalisation and land reform is in line with that of Cosatu and its affiliate Numsa, the union's general secretary Irvin Jim, said on Sunday.

"What emerged in the ANCYL conference was the sum total of resolutions [the Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) and the National Union of Metalworkers of SA (Numsa)] have been talking about," he said at a briefing in Newtown.

The ANCYL adopted resolutions favouring the nationalisation of the mines and expropriation of land without compensation at its national conference in June, to an outcry from opposition parties, civil society and business.

At its central committee meeting last week, Cosatu failed to concretise its position on nationalisation, but took a resolution to scrap constitutional provisions on the expropriation of land with compensation.

At that meeting it was contended that elements within the ANC, Cosatu and the SA Communist Party were endangering their alliance.

President Jacob Zuma attributed the crisis to ill-discipline, a lack of respect, the circumventing of normal channels to push forward policies and the use of money to promote self-interest.

Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi and SACP general secretary Blade Nzimande bemoaned the existence in the movement of politicians acting in their own interests, and a powerful, corrupt, predatory elite.

However, Jim said on Sunday that there was "no real enemy in the movement".

The enemy was actually "white monopoly capital".

  • Shivermetimb - 2011-07-03 21:10

    The high esteem in which I previously held Vavi has just evaporated.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-07-03 21:53

      Anyone who wants to amend our great constitution is an idiot.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-07-03 21:57

      Vavi did not say that anyway did he? I think ANCYL and NUMSA are trying to raise the issue of nationalisation by claiming broader consensus.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-07-03 22:27 Also Blade told COSATU it is a bad idea.

      za101 - 2011-07-04 01:21

      Dont worry. Nobody is going to nationalise anything. You cant have a BMW or VW factory in the same country that is nationalising assets. I am sure that NUMSA members at Toyota, VW , Mercedes, BMW and other automobile factories would be very happy to hear that NUMSA is supporting the move to export South African jobs overseas. Also, if the government begins nationalisation of the mines, the 15 million people getting pension and child support grants will be left out in the cold.

      Mad Hatter - 2011-07-04 09:38

      The glue which holds these alliances together historically was the apartheid regime and white people in the broader framework , it is no surprise perticularly in times of high internal discontent that leaders will try to re-apply this glue and redirect attentions back to a common 'enemy' to unify these relationships. The desperation is so rank that the constitution is on this sacrificial alter. The relevance of these power union relationships is what the problem is and how they should be structured in a changed environment vacant of the 'old enemy'. They have unfortunately chosen to wheel out a vague concept of what was the old enemy and turned a blind eye to how the environment has changed which ironically they had the greatest hands in forming.

      thinker - 2011-07-04 11:03

      Yep, the "masters" must have called him in.

  • Grayman - 2011-07-03 21:12

    Malema was born a generation too late. The 'war' and the 'struggle' are over. The ANCYL is no longer required because the ANC is in power and quite well established. Cosatu and Numsa have done their duty in establishing a fair environment for workers. What the SA economy needs most of all is a unified focus on wealth and job creation. Instead, Malema, Irvin Jim, et al are trying to stir up a fight out of nothing in order to justify their positions in their organisations. The ANC are quite happy to have this side show going on to take the focus off their poor service delivery.

      Lee - 2011-07-03 22:05

      Regardless they will get their way.

  • Flash - 2011-07-03 21:21

    The 'nationalization' of mines must be dumb, dumber, dumbest idiocy ever ever uttered by any living person! Only a person who has NO IDEA of what mining involves can be so stupid as to slaughter the goose that lays the golden eggs! The ANC government makes millions from mining through their tax on the companies, tax on employees, all the infrastructure boosting etc. Will they be so stupid as to give that up? And WORK for money? Like most of us? Slaughter the mines (or call it nationalization, or theft, whatever), and hundreds of thousand job opportunities goes down the drain plus billions of income. Zimbabwe, are you ready for an influx from the south?

      Benzo - 2011-07-03 22:00

      you are right: it is easier to tax the gold that has been dug out than to dig it out yourself, same for farming: easier to tax the produce thant to grow it under diverse circumstances.

      OZNOB - 2011-07-03 22:11

      THOSE THAT do not learn from history are bound to repeat it- pity these guys should go the way of the dodo

      Mugabe - 2011-07-04 08:51

      Mugabe will welcome you the same way his pple were welcomed by Mbeki and now Zuma. Zim is now realising the benefits of land reform with this year recording the highest produce ever. it is only the industry which is slowly coming back to life as investors are just afraid of Mugabe

      tut - 2011-07-04 08:57

      @Mugabe -"highest produce ever"? You mean they have planted an additional mealie cob instead of the one shoved into the desolute dustbowl last year? Wow!

      Mugabe - 2011-07-04 09:06

      @tut....b4 resettlements, most land was not being utilised..the owners(mainly whites) would just own vast underutilized lands but now all that land was given to the majority and being used. last year there was less produce because of less rainfall

      VELOCITY - 2011-07-04 09:18

      @Mugabe - what? Zim has not had a viable harvest for 10 years. The farms are overgrown with weeds and the infrastructure is in ruins. Millions of Euro's worth of farming implements donated by the German Government are standing on flat tyres rotting away in the sun. The crops that do get harvested are not nearly enough to feed the Zim people and they are relying HEAVILY on handouts from the West and Europe. The Zim ecology is so F***d up that it will take at least 400 years or something to recover. One can walk for hours on end in the fields without spotting a single wild animal, hearing a single wild bird or even seeing a cow or a sheep. It's all gone - you and your type have destroyed it all. Much like a swarm of locusts plundering and eating its way through a field of beautifully golden corn swaying in the wind, the Mugabe types of this world has eaten and plunbered his way through one of the jewels of Africa till there is nothing left.

      Carbon - 2011-07-04 09:28

      Mugabe, you can seriously not believe this? This is the same as R Mugabe saying there were no TB epidemic in his country, while thousands were dying? You cannot have a communist capital system with the amount of corruption we have in Africa. The majority will never benefit from this. Once government can put the interest of others before their own, communism can be laid on the table, before then, scrap the whole idea.

      tut - 2011-07-04 11:09

      @Mugabe - blame it on the rain off course!

      frans.visserdsb - 2011-07-04 14:48

      Two issues... The mines and the banks are listed companies on the stock exchange. The majority shares are held by overseas investors or institutions - ie, pension funds and unit trusts. So nationalisation would be stealing money from pension funds... In 1994 there were 85 000 farms in private ownership. Currently there are 14 000. The government owns 65 000 farms... wtf...nationalisation of farms have already happened...

  • Gomez - 2011-07-03 21:21

    The ANC in crumbling and they know it.The only reason for nationalisation is so that they can grab as much as they can while they still can.They know that most mines in SA have about 10 good years left.They need to get in early to get as much as pissible.Thinking about the poor???Yeah........Right..

  • jock - 2011-07-03 21:41

    They can agree on what they want but they are not the Govt..

  • FreeMan2 - 2011-07-03 21:52

    Its coming soon, get ready for it. Soon the mines will be nationalised and the land taken, then what ? The mines and farms are run by experienced people. These will all be replaced by cronies who will bleed them dry. What you see in the public service will merely be mirrored. Bribery, inefficiency and cronyism will rule the day as South Africa continues its downward spiral towards a banana republic. Take a trip to Zimbabwe to see what Malema’s hero has done to the country. Again the minority (ANC top echelons) will benefit while the rest of South Africa suffers.

      Lee - 2011-07-03 22:12

      And that's why they are going to do it. They don't care about the poor.The cost of Green point stadium alone could of sorted out all local townships. White monopoly stands in the way of china aswell. You will see them fill the void.

  • OLIBO - 2011-07-03 22:49

    COSATU is holding Zuma and the ANC at ransom and demandng change at all cost. It wants the alliance ( ANC, COSATU AND SACP) to be the centre of power and strategic decision-making including the deployment of members to strategic positions in the SOEs. In the 2009 national and provincial government elections 11.65 million people voted for the ANC. If it is true that COSATU has 2 million members (never seen any audited report) the ANC can end the marriage with COSATU and still win the elections, instead of tolerating a partner who complains about everything. COSATU does not have a monopoly over the workers, even those who are members of COSATU may still vote ANC. Ending the marriage with COSATU requires leaders with courage and unfortunately that is lacking in the current leadership of the ANC hence "Zuma will be on probation set by COSATU." Let Vavi and Blade start their own political party and run for elections on their own istead of holding the ANC at ransom. What are they afraid of? The ANC is a big church and should allow itself to be hijacked by any of factions as it happened in Polokwane. What we are seeing today are the results of the failure of the current ANC leadership to complete the work of Madiba, Tambo, Sisulu, Luthuli, Dube and many others who never thought one day the ANC will be hijacked by the SACP and a trade union for that matter. Even in exile during apartheid the ANC remain a strong movement that withstood the test of times.

      zaatheist - 2011-07-04 04:32

      I agree with most of your sentiments. But the "the work of Madiba, Tambo, Sisulu, Luthuli, Dube" has, since Polokwane, been hijacked by venal and corrupt gangsters and they are all leading us down the road to confrontation ans disaster.

  • euro-african - 2011-07-03 23:46

    The enemy was actually "white monopoly capital". I bought the board game and the white capital does not look any more menacing then the other colored capital.

      zaatheist - 2011-07-04 04:35

      Yeh! How can I get a slice of this "white monopoly capital". Join the ANC and steal it, I suppose.

      Peter - 2011-07-04 08:30

      'WHITE MONOPOLY CAPITAL" Are South African's idiots. It is capital that this country needs to survive. Stop thinking that South Africa is not part of the world and start realising we cannot survive without, as you put it, "WHITE MONOPOLY CAPITAL".

      tut - 2011-07-04 09:00

      "White monopoly Capital" is as real as the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Dream on my disillusioned friend!

  • c1 - 2011-07-04 06:35

    If this was Monopoly.... I'll be the car, they can be the Scottish Terrier. Car meet dog, dog looses. Car goes over dog. Dog DEAD! Problem solved.

  • Shadoz - 2011-07-04 06:47

    In other words. The enemy is hard working white people who accually care about more than there back pocket. We already gave them a fully functional country that they have destroyed and have sucked dry with there greed. Why cant they work for what they want oh wait they can just blame the white man forever so why do they need to work?

  • Peter - 2011-07-04 08:26

    It is time for international business to start divesting from SA on basis that government is no different from the Apartheid regime with its racist policies and uncertainty around security of tenure of business with the ANC calling for nationalisation. Some will say it is not the ANC but rather the ANCYL. However, the ANCYL is an entity within the ANC and as the ANC has not condemned them for their actions and comments, it must be the ANC. Therefore good luck to all union members when they lose their jobs because of the ideas of their idiotic leaders.

  • Syndrome - 2011-07-04 08:31

    The 4% 'white monopoly capital' pays more than 90% of the tax in this country. That doesn't translate to the white population sitting in mansions dishing out money for the poor, but the fact that they work long hours trying to make a success at whatever trade they're in. Politicians and trade unions (and Africa as a whole) are only concerned with what they can take, gain or destroy. Here's a novel idea ... try create something for once.

  • Peter - 2011-07-04 08:36

    Bear in mind that the "freedom charter" that the ANCYL refers to was written c. 100 years ago, if I am not mistaken. At the time the world was a place where workers rights were being brought to the fore and Marxism was being experimented with. Today the world is a different place. Marxism has effectively been proven to be a failure and the free market has been proven to be the best long term solution. Yet the ANCYL is focussing on the Freedom Charter. All things must transform and the ANCYL says we must too. However it is the ANCYL that fails to acknowledge the fact that their is no place for the original Freedon Charter in a modern society. We need to find real solutions not half baked ideas that will make the poor the very poorest in the world so that the people in power in the ANCYL get rich. The debate on nationalization needs to be undertaken by intelligent people who understand the pro's and con's. This debate should most definitely not include a person who is using the debate for own self interest to gain power within the ANC.

  • Vrijheid - 2011-07-04 08:50

    Liberals, eat the fruit of your labor.

  • JustinD - 2011-07-04 08:56

    The same page...whats that the obituaries.....

  • Mad Dog - 2011-07-04 09:41

    Lots of double-speak involved here!

  • shatzi - 2011-07-04 10:22

    I found a white sangoma in KZN, i think i will approach him and thagathi these idiots

      Not_Fooled - 2011-07-04 12:05

      Dont tell Malema

  • tut - 2011-07-04 11:14

    The page of investment spoiling, job destroying, self gaining, communist zombies. Yaaaawn!

  • Not_Fooled - 2011-07-04 12:02


  • DW - 2011-07-04 12:29

    How can they scrap consitutional provisions on the expropriation of land? I thought you needed a massive majority to change the constitution. Are they talking about the constitution of the alliance or of the country?

  • Brad - 2011-07-04 13:26

    Here we go once again. Colour and race

  • spetsnazss - 2011-07-04 13:47

    Im stocking up on ammo ! ill take down 40 or 50 of them with no problems !

  • Kareltjie Boshoff - 2011-08-04 08:17

    And if Earthworm Jim, Fatbooi and Flooi get their way; we will just have "Monopoly" money.

  • Matanje - 2012-02-26 11:50

    The writing is on the wall for Jacob Zuma to go. And methinks: The Sooner The Better!

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