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ANCYL are anarchists: Gigaba

2011-12-15 10:02

Polokwane - Militant members of the ANC Youth League can be seen as anarchists because they lack the discipline and patience to achieve economic freedom, Public Enterprises Minister and former league president Malusi Gigaba said on Thursday.

“Military and discipline are two sides of the same coin, you can’t push democratic national revolution unless you want fundamental change... But a militant who has no discipline is an anarchist,” he said at the OR Tambo Memorial lecture in Polokwane.

“Militant is what makes you think deeper, which makes you want to be radical and [seek] far reaching change.

"Militant does not mean swearing, it does not mean insulting fellow comrades, it does not mean throwing chairs and stones at fellow comrades and it does not mean jumping on top of [a] table with your pants down," Gigaba said.

The crowd then responded by calling out the name of embattled league president Julius Malema.

Malema has repeatedly called league members "economic freedom fighters" who were fighting for the nationalisation of mines and want to take the country's economy back from "white capital".

Switch off taps of corruption

He currently faces a five-year suspension from the ANC for sowing division and bringing the party into disrepute.

Gigaba said OR Tambo was a disciplined and patient leader of the league, who understood when to make a move.

“OR Tambo once said, 'The youth are correct to be impatient for victory, but they must delay because you must never act in contrary to what people see on their interest'," Gigaba said.

He said a love of money among ANC members was killing the organisation.

“The impact of money in our movement today and its influence in ANC... I don’t think we can’t solve it. We must switch off taps of corruption and arrest those who are involved in corruption," he said.

He also criticised Malema for chanting slogans that promoted racism and were anti-ANC.

“You can’t go and be ANC Youth League and become anti-ANC Youth League at the same time."

He said members who acted against ANC policy should leave the party.

"ANC is like a big river with many tributaries... all of them feed [and] they exist because the river exists. The river can stop supplying [and] it will continue to exist.”

Comments
  • Yurak - 2011-12-15 10:13

    .... The river can stop supplying [and] it will continue to exist.” WTF?? , makes no sense

      Jack - 2011-12-15 10:16

      A pity this fiasco of a meeting wasn’t caught on camera, the world could have seen what we have to deal with in South Africa.

      RPhiri - 2011-12-15 10:23

      Militant members of the ANC Youth League can be seen as anarchists because they lack the discipline and patience to achieve economic freedom, Public Enterprises Minister and former league president Malusi Gigaba said on Thursday. Why is he stating the obvious? why do people only realize obvious things at a later stage? How can they even call themselves economic fighters - if they already losing a war against wood work. People need to wake up - set your alarm properly and you will wake up in time. If you depending on the government to do that for you - don't be suprised to find traces of sleeping pills in your dinner.

      Con - 2011-12-15 10:45

      It means the ANC can withdraw support of the ANCYL, and it (the ANC) will continue to exist.

      CdeSganja - 2011-12-15 10:53

      Malusi Gagaba must shut up, he was a useless president ever.

      Go - 2011-12-15 11:07

      This article doesnt really make much sense, but i agree the ancyl are a bunch of trouble makers, NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS !!!

      Go - 2011-12-15 11:08

      Sjanga - i think you should shut your pie hole - you never make any sense !!!

      Poloyatonki - 2011-12-15 11:08

      I cant even remember what role Gigaba played during the struggle but today he has a big mouth.

      Sean - 2011-12-15 11:10

      Ganja, your eeeengrish, she is lekka tuday

      RPhiri - 2011-12-15 11:12

      Sganja you are experiencing a term know as brain drain. Your intelligence has left you and stupidity has immigrated into the borders of your cranium cavity. And regardless of your brain's foreign policy - stupidity is here to stay...more of it is heading your way...flooding in their numbers using up all your intelligent resources.

      CdeSganja - 2011-12-15 11:13

      Hey Go, you must follow your name and go...@ comrade polyatonki we are going to mangaung with Malema, economic freedom in our lifetime . @Sean don't mind my english, is a foreign language to me..

      Bob - 2011-12-15 11:14

      Sganja, you are dribbling again, it happens everytime you open your mouth.

      Go - 2011-12-15 11:17

      sjanga lol- how original, i agree with mphiri, but i think in your case its just a straight DRAIN - there never was a brain to start off with in your case lol

      CdeSganja - 2011-12-15 11:20

      Ray Phiri What did Gigaba do when he was YL president? I don't have any respect for Mr government flower. We are going to mangaung with Ancyl not Gigaba.

      Bryan - 2011-12-15 11:40

      @Sganja... No bru, common sense is a foreign language to you..!!!

      RPhiri - 2011-12-15 11:47

      Sganja after the free KFC where are you going to be...striking over poor service delivery again...once the magic drum stick is waved in your faces again, civil unrest comes to a stand still. A monotanuos rountine as usual

      lynch - 2011-12-15 12:13

      This guy decided to speak now when Malema is suspended, chicken!

      CdeSganja - 2011-12-15 12:29

      Ray Phiri as long as our demands are met, we will do whatever it takes.

      Go - 2011-12-15 12:48

      LOL, LOL , LOL - AND HOWS THAT BEEN WORKING FOR YOU SJANGA ????? UHHMM HAVENT SEEN ANY RECENT ACHIEVEMENTS

      Randomhero6661 - 2011-12-15 13:11

      CDE Ganja : Weh weh weh! honestly economic freedom is getting old work like the rest of us and support a working government!

      RPhiri - 2011-12-15 14:37

      Sganja by demands you mean extra chicken?

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-16 07:41

      Absolutely clueless,another cadre trying to be "clever" with words, and proving actually what a fool it is. Glad the bad part of the ANCYL is being criticised (headline misleading yet again!). But the gobbledegook about the river makes me lose faith in the intellect. Donder, tributaries feed rivers, not the other way around ... clueless. Does not even understand the concept it is trying to explain - scary, and this is a senior member of the ANC. Scary.

  • Daft - 2011-12-15 10:14

    Gigaba do you only realize now that the ANCYL are anarchists ??? Its time that you have some vision so that you can spot it earlier but I suppose that people are too busy doing corrupt deals for own gain....

      jowza1 - 2011-12-15 10:21

      nothing a sjambok cant fix

      Yurak - 2011-12-15 11:59

      @JOWZA, WOW, that comming from mister liberal's own mouth. maybe you are starting to see that you can't treat the majority of these clowns otherwise....for the first time have I given YOU a thumbs up.

      John - 2012-01-29 06:55

      @jowza1, when i saw your post I couldn't believe my eyes. I am over the moon that you have at last seen through these clowns, yeah give them copious amounts of the sjambok! @Yurak, I joined you with the thumbs up.

  • Rebel_without_a_cause - 2011-12-15 10:15

    What is "economic freedom" ?

      joedoos - 2011-12-15 10:17

      Fast cars and easy biatches.

      Gary - 2011-12-15 11:11

      A scenario, where corruption is the norm of the day, and the ability of the GOVT to pass laws that will enable them to get away with it (SECRECY BILL)ad nauseum without the fear of getting caught!!!!

      Jimmy - 2011-12-15 11:15

      "What is economic freedom?" according to the ANCYL economic freedom is recieving something without working for it , in short free handouts..

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-16 07:46

      For the new black elite to become immensely wealthy without much effort. It does not include the poor, they are merely tools for the elite to use to achieve their gluttonous goals without interference. Zim style.

  • J-Man - 2011-12-15 10:17

    Not bad comments there...

  • Xolani - 2011-12-15 10:18

    Viva Minister Gigaba Viva!!!!

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-15 11:05

      I agree. At least SOMEONE is seeing the light! As for the rest of these negative comments. They are just the other opposite group of the Malemas on our side.

  • Kobus - 2011-12-15 10:23

    a BIG amen to that!

  • Poloyatonki - 2011-12-15 10:32

    Gigaba, we have been patient for the past 17 years what you did for the youth, we need economic freedom in our lifetime. how long must we wait?

      Rebel_without_a_cause - 2011-12-15 10:40

      Please explain what economic freedom is.

      Pieter - 2011-12-15 10:41

      Dear Poloyatonki, Your wish is granted. Economic Freedom Definition The freedom to prosper within a country without intervention from a government or economic authority. (Check) Individuals are free to secure and protect his/her human resources, labor and private property. (Check)

      Piet - 2011-12-15 10:43

      I sell handmade begging bowls, interested?

      RPhiri - 2011-12-15 10:49

      A concise definition according to the ANC dicktionary is: I am taking what's not mine to be mine.

      Deon - 2011-12-15 10:51

      Work and save, this is the only workable plan.

      Pieter - 2011-12-15 10:57

      Oops - Sorry I missed the last one. Economic freedom is common in capitalist economies and must incorporate other civil liberties to be deemed as truly free (Check - I think - see below) With the last one we might have a problem because the government seems to want to muzzle the press And voila! Political freedom is yours!

      Go - 2011-12-15 11:10

      poloyatonki - it could happen right now for you - get off your A$$ and go and get a job instead of waiting for hand outs !!

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-15 11:38

      @ Go. LOL LOL. You crack me up. I'm sure Poloyatonki has a better job than any of us and he is NOT on the gravy train as everybody on here thinks. He loves tormenting us!

      Ian - 2011-12-15 13:22

      Poloyatonki there, you just voiced the problem!! you are WAITING.. Get off your lazy arse, go do some good honest hard work and you will have your economic freedom.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-16 08:07

      You already have most of the jobs, lots of farmland (which strangely you don't farm on?), massive shareholding in many big companies due to BEE policies, unfair advantage when it comes to government tenders, free housing for many, etc etc. When are you going to start using these advantages to better yourselves, Poly old chap? You worry about what us mlungus still have, while your black brothers in charge commit grand scale theft of resources meant to uplift the poor. I think you need to change your focus from revenge on white people to uplifting your own.

  • Mashudu - 2011-12-15 10:35

    Gigaba has a Point.

      RPhiri - 2011-12-15 10:47

      Gadaffi is that you? I see dead people.

      CdeSganja - 2011-12-15 11:06

      Only to you Mashudu...

      Sean - 2011-12-15 11:13

      Thast beacuse you ganja are to stupid to tie your own shoelaces. I bet you have an instruction kit to take a pee

  • Bob - 2011-12-15 10:35

    Well said, bit confused about the river system though, this man should join the DA

      RPhiri - 2011-12-15 10:52

      But first an english class to learn more about metaphors. Now now his going to be like Mshoza; a white girl who can't speak english. Or should i say he is gonna be a human person who is not spoking a good gooder goodest british english.

      Lara - 2011-12-16 08:09

      RPhiri, I say again, you have a wicked sense of humour. You should write a column for News24. At least we will be laughing at ourselves.

  • weareu - 2011-12-15 10:36

    Anarchist is someone who believes in anarchy (no laws). There can be both no laws and no one swearing. There is no law against just swearing nway. ANCYL is pushing for additional legislation for nationalization etc. This is the exact opposite of anarchy.

      Rebel_without_a_cause - 2011-12-15 11:17

      The ANCYL can only be measured by their behavior. I can only assume in your eyes the massive destruction of property, the intimidation and infighting and grand scale corruption is part of the pristine behavior of the ANCYL. I know, you will deny, deny, deny..... Also, what are you going to achieve with nationalization? The mines are paying approximately 50% if their earnings towards taxes. Do you think you can milk more out of a hole in the ground by displacing the existing experienced management team? Or, if you nationalize the farms, if there are only 10 white farmers left, they will still be in control of 90% of the productive land. Just look at the apartheid era homelands. Since their re-integration into South Africa the ownership of the land did not automatically revert to white hands. Farms that was hugely productive is lying barren and wasted. In the mean time the ANCYL is campaigning for more destruction and anarchy. All in the name of something that can not exist namely Economic Freedom! Education leads to entrepreneurship. Entrepreneurs leads to employment and economic growth. Sadly with economic growth comes responsibilities like taxes. "Economic Freedom" without responsibility is anarchy.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-15 12:10

      @Rebel. That was a brilliant comment. I wish News24 would make that some headline so EVERYBODY in South Africa can read that. I'm so tired of telling my people to forget about the little bit left in white hands and look at what we have got and ask ourselves what are we doing with their freedom?

      Ian - 2011-12-15 13:25

      Ibhubesi - you sir deserve a medal!

      John - 2011-12-17 07:44

      @Rebel Someone to write your words in place where everyone can read it!

  • Sharon - 2011-12-15 10:37

    Yea the river is our tax money which is drying up u fools........stop the ministers who plunder and steal and I am sure we will all win in the end

  • Thabo - 2011-12-15 10:40

    How nice. May be you are not aware most of us woke up long ago and smelled the coffee. Your failures and incompetencies speaks volumes and your rhetoric ANCYL flabbugasting simply purpots your stance as a croonie hell-bend on keeping your hand in the cookie-jar!

  • Thozi - 2011-12-15 10:54

    Poor Minister, right in the middle of it all. The uncompromising anti-ANC block who would critise blindly without recognising exceptions on one hand, and the 'still-wet-behind-the-ears' ANCYL, still in their dirty little nappies, on the other. And to think that, despite his human faults, the Minister is one of the few who is able apply logic and who can steer SA in the right path. What a shame that he be misunderstood!

  • Sam - 2011-12-15 11:03

    Gigaba everyone who the current system suits perfect doesn't want change. Even PW Botha din't want change. It is normal if u have a mouth full of carvia

      Thozi - 2011-12-15 12:11

      @ Sam: Ordinarily you'd be correct. I grew up during the height of Apartheid. At the time I also felt that we should rather destroy the whole of SA than let only whites enjoy its fruits. But you know the difference? At that time doors were closed and 'legally' too. But now, everybody has a chance to improve oneself (excluding the gravy-train riders who are perpetual beneficiaries of illegal tenders of course) instead of sitting on one's behind and expect "free this and free that". Now, instead of working for a living, you expect free houses, free electricity, free water, free exproppriated farms, free child, HIV, etc. grants, free tenders, free Condoms, and free free... Fnally, let me tell you and your ilk, the fight was for political liberation and equal opportunity for all and not for free "carvia". Now get up and go to work!

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-15 12:18

      @Thozi. If I could Thumbs Up this comment a 1000 times, I would!

  • Archie - 2011-12-15 11:03

    Missed geography lessons did you? to confuse you further,Economic freedom only works in democracies,definitly not in socialist/commie countries.

      Thozi - 2011-12-15 14:48

      I thought 'history', but the message is very clear all the same.

  • ludlowdj - 2011-12-15 11:04

    "ANC is like a big river with many tributaries... all of them feed [and] they exist because the river exists. The river can stop supplying [and] it will continue to exist.” Yea that makes perfect sense, its like a car with petrol fed from the tank and when the tank is empty the fuel still flows hey!?

  • jjlambrechts - 2011-12-15 11:12

    "ANC is like a big river with many tributaries... all of them feed [and] they exist because the river exists. The river can stop supplying [and] it will continue to exist.” - it's usually the other way around my friend. The smaller rivers supply the big river. So much for geography. I guess it falls in the same category as woodwork. Poor comparison.

  • Buck - 2011-12-15 11:13

    Actually, the river exists because the tributaries exist, it is however a different issue with distributaries.............

  • Ditantane - 2011-12-15 11:17

    Gigaba sucked as a youth leader and still does as a minister, he may go to hell.

  • Deon - 2011-12-15 11:36

    This is old news, but I am glad more ANC members are seeing the (this) light.

  • Phumezo - 2011-12-15 11:36

    At least they are not spending tax payers money buying flowers and sleeping in expensive hotels with their girlfreinds!

  • TheWatcher - 2011-12-15 11:39

    This clown needs to go back to school. A tributary supplies the river with its water. If the river dries up it is because the tributaries have stopped supplying it with water. A river exists because of the tributaries not the other way around. Without the main river the tributaries would simply be trickles/streams/rivers on their own. And we let these people run the country...

  • Shirley - 2011-12-15 11:42

    Less talk about the ancyl and more action against these "undisciplined" little thugs and people might actually believe you are serious!

  • tshepo.mathibela1 - 2011-12-15 11:50

    A few in the ANC are for the people and most are about the money,money corrupts and unfortunately it has aten anc members to the core

  • Kevin - 2011-12-15 11:58

    I just see most of them as thieves ,thugs ,layabouts who will never have economic freedom simply because they believe there is some magic money tree and that if you cannot find the tree you use all means at your disposal

  • Wicus - 2011-12-15 12:13

    Stop feeling sorry for her. It seems in Thailand there are consequences to being stupid. She KNEW the danger, probably KNEW that they have a tough prison system and STILL went ahead with it. I have no sympathy regardless of her background.

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-15 12:21

      ??? LOL LOL Wicus I think you are at the wrong place at the wrong time!

      John - 2012-01-29 06:58

      @Wicus, stop the bus mate I think your post should have been inserted about a month ago in the "Drug Mule saga" Good comment though, maybe your post got lost in News24 somewhere

  • johnkk - 2011-12-15 12:20

    I am trying to understand the reasoning behind such thought. Let us assume that all of white SA are removed from the country, preferably by emigrating. What will change ? Is this policeman going to earn a better salary from the police force ? Is he suddenly going to become a director of a company or a share holder, earning mega moola and now he can afford to look after his family. I urge people of this way of thinking to enter into a CONSTRUCTIVE debate and maybe, through media dialogue we can learn from each other. Because (looking at history) nowhere in the world has a country prospered after a cycle of genocide. My fear is that a specific group of 'leaders' in this country like to put the blame on the 'whiteman' as it takes the attention away from their inability to lead this country productively. We need to get a government that work for the people and move away from a South Africa that work for the government. I urge you to refer to this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBRGLdWMgoM. Research this lady and you will find that she is one of the people that opposed apartheid. She did not do it by murdering white people, she did it by educating herself. So for those of you that believe that killing a certain ethnic group of people ~ you will find a rude awakening after your act of genocide. You will still be the failure that you have tried to blame on others.

      CdeSganja - 2011-12-15 12:26

      Wrong Post Man come on.

      Thozi - 2011-12-15 12:54

      @ johnkk: John thank you so very much. SA needs you more than you'll never imagine - especially during the current turmoil. You may think that yours is a voice in the wilderness, but it's not. Somewhere along the darkness, it finds its mark.

  • johnkk - 2011-12-15 12:21

    I see my previous post that I have reposted was removed. I wonder Y ?

      CdeSganja - 2011-12-15 12:27

      I think is because your comments are irrelevant to the topic.

  • dhopwood3 - 2011-12-15 12:58

    'Victory'? Over what exactly? Until and unless we get beyond the sterile and redundant liberation language--and hence thinking--of some kind of struggle over imaginary adversaries, it's difficult to see how the broad mass of South Africans will ever meaningfully work towards a better future.

  • MrAversion - 2011-12-15 13:53

    As an actual anarchist, I take exception to this insult. The ANCYL are not anarchists. They are just selfish idiots. If they were anarchists they would be opposed to hierarchical power structures, which they patently are not. They are massively in favour of hierarchical power structures, so long as they are the ones holding the power.

  • Fidel - 2011-12-15 13:56

    How much patience did you have before you achieved your economic freedom? The unemployed who swept Hitler to power in 1933 did it out of desperation, not because they agreed with everything Hitler said.

  • Ryan - 2011-12-15 14:05

    ANCYL = racist c**nts

  • leko.dada1 - 2011-12-15 16:07

    @R PHIRI...insulting sganja doesnt make u an intellectual,it only shows u are exactly wat u label at sganja. Gigaba's discipline is questionable! South Africa needs brave person like Malema to influence policies and decisions government undertake. We understand capitalist's n white South Africans are threatened by Ancyl policies but its wat needed,forcing all groups to work towards common goal... than soft approach trying to be intellectaul like Gigaba do! will lead us no-where.

  • shaun.c.porter - 2011-12-15 16:28

    I am disgusted by some of the pernicous racist comments here and heartened by the solid commonsense expressed by black and white participants.Hopefully we can get past the racisl divide and work together for a more prosperous future for all.

  • Nyiks11 - 2011-12-20 11:11

    distributaries , tributaries and confluences . These are terms Minister Gigaba needs to understand before becoming John the baptist ( Minister of water affairs )

  • ISO - 2012-01-29 06:04

    Yes, Gigaba tell is like it is! The ANCYL are like little children behaving badly....they need an old good traditional plakslae!

  • Graham - 2012-01-29 19:13

    THE ANCYL CONSISTS OF NOTHING BUT RACISTS AND THUGS WHO HAVE A BLATANT DISREGARD FOR THE LAW, PROPERTY AND LIFE

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