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'Banning' ANCYL empowers right - Malema

2012-02-26 21:09

Johannesburg - The banning of a "radical voice" within the ANC has boosted the confidence of right-wing leaders who believe that black people have no share in the land, suspended ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema said.

"They are saying South Africa doesn't belong to us. They say so because they know the radical voice of the African National Congress is banned," Malema told a crowd attending the league's centenary rally in Kliptown in Soweto on Sunday.

"They started with the songs and we thought they were playing. They told us we can't sing liberation songs because they were slowly gaining confidence."

On September 12, Malema was found guilty of hate speech for singing the struggle-song dubul' ibhunu (shoot the boer), in the High Court in Johannesburg after the Afrikaner civil rights group AfriForum Youth claimed white farmers felt vulnerable because of the song .

In reference to recent comments by Freedom Front Plus leader Pieter Mulder, Malema said: "We are now told by a rightwinger, the leader of a racist organisation, that we don't belong to this land, this not our land."

Mulder, who is also the deputy minister of agriculture, forestry and fisheries, recently said there was sufficient evidence that there were no Bantu-speaking people in the Western Cape and north-western Cape, which constituted 40% of South Africa's land.

Land stolen

He has since defended his statement, saying he was being misunderstood and that he was merely reacting to arguments that white people had stolen land.

Malema accused the ANC leadership of shying away from putting Mulder in his place. This was despite President Jacob Zuma and ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe saying last week that Mulder was "trying to rewrite history".

"Our leadership instead of attending to him thoroughly and put him at his place, they are avoiding him...He cannot be avoided," Malema said to thunderous applause from supporters who gathered in the scorching heat.

He warned that if the leadership of the ANC was not prepared to defend the land, then the "economic freedom fighters" would defend it.

"We will never disappoint Madiba [former president Nelson Mandela]...We will never sell out what he believed in," said Malema.

Genocide

"This is our land and we know the history of this land. We know the settlers have committed a black genocide, they have killed Africans while they grabbed this land.

"They turned landowners into slaves of this land and today they have the courage to tell us this is not our land after killing our grandfathers, after stealing from us."

In an interview with Sunday Independent, Mulder said technically, no one can lay claim to land in South Africa.

"We have got a complicated system. Nobody can say this is my total land," he said, adding that his argument came from history.

Malema said the ANC in it's inception in 1912, brought together all Africans and identified a "common enemy".

"The enemy was the person who stole land. We belong here. We don't need approval from settlers."


Comments
  • Jacques - 2012-02-26 21:19

    funny that me and my fore fathers bought our property. Still they say that the land was stolen.... so if I stole it, why did I pay for it.

      Oneant - 2012-02-26 21:36

      Owning the land as an advantage boat left the harbor about 2 decades ago. In today's world wealth is a direct function of knowledge and education. The knowledge economy : something that cannot be taken, stolen or otherwise illicitly obtained. Thank God.

      Sean - 2012-02-26 22:00

      @amos.simelane - So where is your proof that the land belonged to your forefathers ?? Those guys that stole the land from the khoisan ??

      Jacques - 2012-02-26 22:38

      The farm we have was bought from the appartheid Government... The used the money to build roads, schools etc.... does that mean the current ANC goverment that took over stole the land? The are in control of all these developed properties now. Does this make them also a accomplice?

      Juan - 2012-02-27 03:02

      We are not settlers we were born here. If we are settlers then the Bantus are also settlers. You paid for it? You are the title holder? It's yours, unless they really want to steal the land and take it from you, but then we are into something completely different, it called anarchy and civil war.

      rbczovczov - 2012-02-27 05:53

      I am sorry Malema but you are just as much a threat to the stability and prosperity of this country just as much as the right wing you talk of. Actually you have much more in common with the right wing radials than you do with your fellow black kindred. For instance, you are both racists, selfish, fascist, retarded and a serious threat to democracy.

      SJ - 2012-02-27 07:51

      It is all lies build on very selective timing to suit the commie agenda.

      Matthew - 2012-02-27 08:57

      Get lost Seriously.You claim that we committed genocide in order to take the land? who was 1st? who committed genocide against the Khoisan? IF ANYTING,it was the khoisan's land,not "bantu's",not settlers. So unless you're a khoisan making claims,just go sit down somewhere and look at the history before you people make silly comments. And consider how the world came to be as it is today why is our country so special and different??? it isnt. the sooner this countries people get out of that bloody mentality the better. And maybe then we can actually move forward,together,united as one race (South African race)

      Lloyd - 2012-02-27 09:08

      who did your forefathers buy it from?

      Mike - 2012-02-27 09:25

      Says a fool that has an F for woodwork about a doctor who studied for many years! Makes me wonder what he got for history?

      Mike - 2012-02-27 10:33

      @ Lloyd: And with what?

      James - 2012-02-27 11:47

      @Spyker_May. Lovely assumption.

      Ruan - 2012-02-27 11:47

      Time to seal off the borders of the Western Cape and declare it a Republic of its own and build a berlin type wall and kick our all undesirables and illegals,koeberg is enough to supply us with power and we have one of the largest narutal water catchments in the world and tourism will flourish with the biggest game farms and golf courses,we already support the rest of the countries provinces from our tourism infastructure.Autonomy NOW..... ps,,,for all you racists,the Republic of the Western Cape would be for all who want to make a country work no matter what colour you are.

      Ruan - 2012-02-27 11:51

      COURTESY >>>> of Steve, who did a study on this a few years ago and the results were pretty interesting. The WC is the only province that does have the ability to stand on it's own feet from a financial perspective, it's income generation ability supports its current population levels but this will change in 8-10 years. Tourism, agriculture, industry right down to international trade would bring in enough revenue to enable the Western Cape to function as an independent state. The structures already exist in the form of government and provincial administration, it would require some pt but it could be done. Harbour, airport, rail network, road infrastructure, electricity generation.....all here already. There was a crowd trying to use this as a platform during the last election, but they made the mistake of including the Northern Cape - that tips the scale the wrong way even after adding revenue from the mining operations in Namaqualand. The Western Cape could quite conceivably take it's own place on the international stage, but obviously the ANC would fight it tooth and nail. Another big problem would become border control which would require a substantial investment in 'defence' capabilities to monitor, patrol and offer functional surveillance and a reactionary capability. Not insurmountable. And historically, it could be argued all four previous provinces have a claim to self-rule. What a pleasure for the people of the WC to be able to control their own destiny

      Ruan - 2012-02-27 11:52

      The DA needs to step up or us citizens WILL,A National Homeland Security would be established and run by its citizens to control the border,much like certain countries armies,you will be givien a grant for education if you join and serve X amount of years or join full time

      Jacques - 2012-02-27 13:35

      Marah, if you claim the land, please proove to me that the land we have was yours to begin with, then maybe we can investigate it more together and sue those who ended up with the proceeds, cause surely it was never given to us, and you want it for free. I also wonder how you or your fore fathers lived on this land, cause when we got it there was no water,no rivers,no water holes.... we had to drill for water, fitted wind mills/pumps and dams.... please tell me how did you or your fore father survive without water or food...

      Martin - 2012-02-27 14:31

      its mine, its mine its mine...humans are useless things

      Vicker - 2012-02-27 14:39

      The State owns 25% of all the land - much of it leased to black farmers. King Goodwill of the Zulus owns 2.8Million ha. Cyril Ramaphosa and Tokyo Sexhwale own huge pieces of ground. Why are these facts ignored when talk of land ownership comes up??? White farmers in the Karoo have willingly offered their land for sale to the black Gumment, but have never received even the vaguest acknowledgment in return. No-one knows how much land belongs to whom, and the land audit has not taken place as promised for how many years??? Whites and blacks met for the first time at the Kei River. These are all facts, but the Gumment chooses to ignore them, and to twist them into something that suits their needs... It is, after all, far easier to gain emotional support from their sheeple by quoting BS over and over again, instead of finding the facts first, then relying on the facts to determine the issue.

      sampson.mamphweli - 2012-02-27 16:30

      History written by your forefathers taught us that a white person arrived in SA in 1652 and found bantu speakers here, it said nothing about the whites buying land but rather it said more about them forcefully displacing people through the group areas act.Surely you cannot be ignorant of all these.

      Sean - 2012-02-28 01:07

      @sampson.mamphweli - Who was in S.A before your forfathers ?? Ffs !! Why does your history only start when the bantu speaking invaded S.A !! Eish !!

      Smell - 2012-02-28 09:22

      Malema, the Right was a real threat in 1994, but now they are only an imaginary threat - the Boogeyman you raise to further your own selfish, idiotic, dangerous agenda. At one point the brunt of South Africa's problems were created by the Apartheid rulers. Now the real enemies of the people are crime, corruption and mismanagement - created and perpetuated by the ANC. It will only get worse if the Mugabe minded thugs like Malema are allowed into the corridors of power.

      rheinhardt.peens - 2012-02-28 14:27

      Yawn...tired of the same old BS....

      Peace - 2012-02-28 17:34

      @Jacques were you there when your forefathers made the transaction to buy land or are you just spewing hogwash?

  • Themba Mbuyisa - 2012-02-26 21:25

    I don't like the guy, but he's spot on. They've become so bold that they interrupt the presidents' reply to pose stupid questions about issues that are not govt policy. Zuma keeps flirting with them. Now they've layed hate speech charges against him, serves him right.

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-02-27 00:35

      @Nhamo why not go back to Zim then, the country 'freed' the same way? Easy to talk but not to walk the talk.

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-27 00:57

      Themba, let us not be hoodwinked by the likes of Malema's people.

      Sterling - 2012-02-27 06:14

      @Themba, it's time for all the people in SA to bury the chains and not make a Zim. out of SA. Mugabe told ereryone he was taking the land from the white but, he didn't give the land to the people in Zim. All the land was given to himself and his cronies not to the people in Zim. As a matter of facts he and his wife have thirty nine farms. You can't destroy the economy of SA by trying to rewrite history the people in SA have to move forward. In the case with Zim. they would have been better of taxing the excess land instead of taking the land from the people. Now that country has became a begging nation. Also, black Africans don't have a good track record in commerical farming in Africa. Moverover, if Africans want to rewrite history, one must not forget that black Africans took part in the trans-Atlantic slave trade that lasted for five hundred years. Finally, if SA had party primaries there would be no need for the ANCWL,ANCYL and SACP the people would vote what person they would want to lead the party.

      SJ - 2012-02-27 07:53

      Without a proper land audit and a honest look at history, no-one in RSA will ever have peace. Why has the ANC and Malema never called for this? What are they afraid of? THE TRUTH perhaps?

      andy4real - 2012-02-27 08:17

      You don’t have to like or hate this guy. The truth shall set you free. Or so they say in the bible.... Pretending we living in harmony does not do anyone good. SA is polarized.

  • ThandaMzansi - 2012-02-26 21:28

    Juju, it's becoming harder and harder to tell the difference between your mouth and your butt. The same thing appears to come out of both.

      Irene - 2012-02-26 21:38

      nhamo ~ No relative of Mulder's but just logical.

      Ben - 2012-02-26 21:49

      What I envy about you is not the truth you speak, but the way you speak it. I maintain that the women are still the salt of the earth.

      ThandaMzansi - 2012-02-26 22:00

      nhamo, I try not to judge anyone based on race alone. Malema is a dangerous idiot, who happens to be black. Does that mean that every black person should follow him? I should think not. We don't need people who break down, destroy, or divide in South Africa. We don't need robber barons and corrupt politicians. Juju is all of those things, so why would any thinking person follow his lead?

  • kgomotso.radise - 2012-02-26 21:29

    This land issue need a robust debate but I forsee court battle looming

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 21:46

      Before the issue can even be discussed we need a proper land audit so we may know - who owns/occupies what; what commercial/agricultural activities are taking place on the land; what happened to all that land apparently discarded by the thousands of farmers who have left agriculture. And of course the red faces of those trying explain their benefits out of all this. Who already owns what and how come the masses were not included in the change-over process? Some real honesty required. After of course an honest land audit.

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 22:23

      @ amos.simelane You see why no-one takes some of your seriously. ALL 165 black judges (60% of the bench)Mulder infiltrators and sympathizers? Add at least 20 to 25 white judges appointed since 1994 by the very ANC structures and after vetting by the legal profession? And your statement assumes the usual cr.ppy value of the land reformer callers on these pages. Luckily we are not all stupid.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 12:05

      @amos, but you also a settler..

      jonosh - 2012-02-27 13:56

      @amos.simelane You have the same mental processes as a child - if you don't like the answer you make an excuse for why you can't listen to it. You, Malema (and those like you) share the same mental process. It's pretty sad really, what a dull, selfish, and intellectually incoherent world you must live in. One day when you grow up you can join the rest of us South Africans who have moved beyond race, the past, and revolutionary rhetoric, and become a true South African committed to the betterment of the nation and all our people!

  • Nkosinathi - 2012-02-26 21:30

    Julius, hope this makes sense to you. I'll try to be very basic just so you understand, no one asked you for opinio

      andy4real - 2012-02-27 08:21

      Its spelled opinion. And yes, we want Julias to speak up, if you living the life, and forgot the black suffering people out there,...stay in your sleep. This is a revolution, and you sleeping, or selling out.

      Lynton - 2012-02-27 10:36

      @andy4real. I can't help but notice your almost devout defence of JM and his quest to eliminate "suffering black people". Can you tell me one thing that he has done to help anybody but himself?

      DJPotifar - 2012-02-27 13:42

      Andy, since when were you appointed the Grammar police? Malema thinks he is Che Guevara wearing that ridiculous beret on that FUGLY mug of his. Does he know that Che was a terrorist? Perhaps he does...

      Kai - 2012-02-27 14:48

      @andy, when you are going to correct someone it's best to check your own work first. Spelt not spelled.

      Riaan - 2012-02-27 21:24

      andy can't spell. And it's "it's", not its. LOL

  • Adeyvw - 2012-02-26 21:32

    There are not many evil people in the world, but this man is undoubtably an evil man. The words that come out of his mouth are no better than that of Robert Mugabe; no better, even, than the apartheid leaders who ruined this country. The old ANC upheld honourable, graceful and admirable actions and values - values which have been tossed aside and forgotten by the men and women of today's government. And even worse, we are nurturing human beings for leadership which are thirsty for bloodshed and revenge to a group of people who, although deserving of it, are human beings, who built this country's economy and infrastructure and who are South Africans themselves. It concerns me how opposition parties do nothing to remove this man's voice. This human being needs to be expelled from politics - not suspended. Otherwise he shall take the reigns as president one day.

  • Sean - 2012-02-26 21:33

    Banning ANCYL isnt empowering the right wing. The right wing is ALREADY empowered. Malema just has to keep mouthing off and he gives the White Right all the ammunition it needs to be prepared. And to prepare.

  • lindsy.williams - 2012-02-26 21:37

    Ay man, doesn't this guy watch sports or do stuff over the weekend, except go around talking crap....

      Obi Okafor - 2012-02-26 21:52

      Talkative

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:46

      He eats a lot..

      Heiku - 2012-02-27 17:01

      Maybe we just need to get Malema laid

  • Andrew Worrall - 2012-02-26 21:39

    Let's just have a war then and get it over and done with. It's coming to that anyway. After that everything will be settled once and for all hey Julius? So, bring it on.

  • Modipi Ngulube - 2012-02-26 21:42

    Tjo now all the black racist come crawling out of the woodworks, damn didn't think there could be so many! While I agree with all of you in terms of the land redistribution, I think we will definitely differ in the approach that I think government should take.

      Bertie - 2012-02-26 21:53

      while you quite right about his R16mill house why doesnt he use that money to create jobs and help the poor? instead of living a life of lesure?

      Modipi Ngulube - 2012-02-26 22:00

      Eh dude I don't know its his money only he can decide what to do with it.

      Bertie - 2012-02-26 22:08

      maybe he should stop living in the past and help out in the future. get the mind set right of the people of south africa to start building together and helping one another... instead of living ritch and spreading hate speech?

      Modipi Ngulube - 2012-02-26 22:47

      The big problem with you saying he shouldn't live in the past is that its hard as a black person to look forward as we are easily reminded of the past because a majority of our people are living in substandard conditions and we come across this on a daily basis, while I do concede that our government could be doing a better job to improve this situation. Statements like the one mr mulder made undermine people who are native to this land and is insensitive to the horrors that have been committed against blacks by white people for their land. I may not agree with mr malema on how the situation should be addressed and whether it is the right time to be addressing this.

      Modipi Ngulube - 2012-02-26 22:47

      The big problem with you saying he shouldn't live in the past is that its hard as a black person to look forward as we are easily reminded of the past because a majority of our people are living in substandard conditions and we come across this on a daily basis, while I do concede that our government could be doing a better job to improve this situation. Statements like the one mr mulder made undermine people who are native to this land and is insensitive to the horrors that have been committed against blacks by white people for their land. I may not agree with mr malema on how the situation should be addressed and whether it is the right time to be addressing this.

      Modipi Ngulube - 2012-02-26 22:47

      The big problem with you saying he shouldn't live in the past is that its hard as a black person to look forward as we are easily reminded of the past because a majority of our people are living in substandard conditions and we come across this on a daily basis, while I do concede that our government could be doing a better job to improve this situation. Statements like the one mr mulder made undermine people who are native to this land and is insensitive to the horrors that have been committed against blacks by white people for their land. I may not agree with mr malema on how the situation should be addressed and whether it is the right time to be addressing this.

      SJ - 2012-02-27 08:06

      I am all for land distribution, but in another way: Give each nation the land that should belong to them if they want it and then we can all live peacfully as neigbours under international law.

      Bertie - 2012-02-27 08:23

      No one is 'native' to south africa both black and white came to south africa.... Remember about 100 years ago the english came took 'boere' farms in slaved and killed their wifes and children. they committed far worse things than the apartheid government did. Do we as white south africans still hate the british for it. No we dont cause its something that happend we moved on. same goes for blacks what ever the apartheid goverment did or anyone else in the past get over it move on. new south african government is in power Mandela did a WONDERFUL JOB to set the country in the right direction. Did the rest of the leaders after him do so? i would say no caue most blacks like you say are still without jobs and malema is an example he lives in a 16mill house while fellow south africans suffer he's not a leader he's a loud mouth idiot. next time vote for someone to make a change not to inrich the idiots from the ANC.

      jonosh - 2012-02-27 14:14

      Hey Modipe, I fully understand the difficulty of letting go of the past but that's the only option we all have. Are there black people with legitimate reasons to hate whites, sure. Are there white people with legitimate reasons to hate blacks, sure. But we choose to imprison ourselves in the past or let go and take hold of the future. The fact is that there is no race group on this earth who hasn't at some point in history been dominated by the 'might' of another race group. How far back do we take this land redistribution? Should the Picts demand England back? Should the KoiSan demand the Western Cape back? Should the Americas be emptied of all european people? Let's stop blaming race and lets start blaming the evil of 'might is right' - it's an evil system and one we should resolutely oppose here in SA. When Malema says 'lets take it back' we see the same evil raising it's head once more, and the same cycle repeating itself. We have a chance to do something different here, let's please choose a different path. Our country is still completely skewed, there are far too many black people living in poverty and that's just not right, or sustainable. Short term relief (long term disaster) - land grab, nationalisation, over enforced BEE. Long term solution - justified BEE, healthy land empowerment, better education, better BEE entrepreneur empowerment, better BEE apprenticeship schemes. The ANC is failing the poor of this country at the moment. Don't make the past the scapegoat

  • Kagiso Tlhakung - 2012-02-26 21:43

    Juju has valid points but i hate his tone, we dont want to be like Zimbabwe here. If white ppl hate us they must jst leave if they dont want to live in harmony wit us and share the wealth equally. And Juju stop claiming you are an economic freedom fighter, u are greedy, u are building a house worth 16million and u have tenders everywhr in Limpopo.

      Nigel - 2012-02-27 09:01

      well said Kagiso

      JohannVKruger - 2012-02-27 10:37

      Kagiso, "share", one sit and one work and then have to share?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:49

      Kagiso, there are about 2 million tax paying South Africans, how do you expect us to share with 40 million black people?? Simple Math my friend, it is time that at least 20 million black people contribute more meaningfully to the economy. Go to Home Affairs and look at all the young girls applying for child grants, they popping out children left right and centre...

      Nigel - 2012-02-27 11:44

      I think what Kagiso is trying to say is that as long as the vast majority of blacks are poverty stricken there is a problem, its the duty of both the Government & us (whites) to ensure that we do everything in our power to help create jobs & eliminate the wealth gap, its not so much about sharing wealth but sharing knowledge & skills to create wealth, but in order for this both parties must be willing to work together, & racism has no place in this mutually beneficial environment. News 24 needs to seriously sort out their site, they need to start moderating this blog.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-02-27 14:38

      Actually there are something like 5.9 million tax payers in SA, however, more than 50% of the personal income tax is paid by about 600 000 people. We do not have enough people working and payng tax, we have too many people who has a culture of entitlement... my tax money is being used to pay for some unemployed persons house. so in effect, my money is being stolen to pay for something i have no benefit from. Instead of handing out freebies, the government should learn from places like Botswana - they did not bitch and moan about nationalisation, they did not hand out freebies - they bought shares in mining companies, and used tax money to build industry where their mineral wealth is being beneficiated - creating work and wealth for all. instead our government promise people houses and land... what incentive is there for people to actually get off their backsides and work if they get given free houses, social grants, etc....

      Sean - 2012-02-28 01:11

      @Kagiso Tlhakung - ask your leaders where all the billions are going and why the majority of South Africans live in poverty ??

      jonosh - 2012-02-28 13:21

      For any white person who has an issue with the statement that 'wealth needs to be shared more equally' and counteracts with comments related to poor governance, democracy, free market, etc (some of which do have an amount of legitimacy). You should first consider the fact that over 90% of our stock market is still owned by white people. That's simply unethical, and completely unsustainable.

  • Dathym Spear - 2012-02-26 21:50

    Mr Malema. Choose your words wisely, or the blood will be on your hands. The land is the land, in truth it is owned by no one. It was here before any of us and will be long after we are gone from this world. Who owns the land is not half as important as what is done with it... please stop making white people out to be the bad guys here, all of us must live of the land. What was done is done. It is time to put all that to rest and focus on peace, for everyone... not just you.

      Claude - 2012-02-26 22:05

      He is too stupid to understand!

      Herman - 2012-02-27 08:07

      Blood is already on Malema's hands, his just to stupid to relise it!

  • Allen - 2012-02-26 21:51

    There is no end to this cretin!

  • arthurbrigg - 2012-02-26 21:58

    Naaaah Shuddup.

  • Morne - 2012-02-26 21:58

    Screw all you rasist, black or white...... Majority of South Africans wants a better life for all in this country. Go and take your issues to some hill and go sort it out with each other. Hopefully you will eliminate each other and leave this country to the people that wants to make a difference!

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-02-27 00:51

      They keep calling for war. They should go to the Sahara desert and do whatever they want to do with each other, and leave the rest of us to go on with our lives. The radicals are a small minority that wants to stay relevant by polluting the rest of the population.

  • Andrew Worrall - 2012-02-26 21:58

    What about the Black farmers who were given land by the state and they sold it back to the white farmers? What about tribal wars, where Zulu and Xhosa fought each other over land? It's even happening today. Anc and IFP supporters murder each other?

  • jannie.barnard - 2012-02-26 22:04

    ... why do you media guys continue to feed Malema with free publicity ? Don't you see he desperately needs it to survive ? *sigh

      Heiku - 2012-02-27 17:04

      If nobody cared they wouldnt report it. You can't blame the media. When you want democracy you gotta take the good with the bad otherwise everything goes belly up.

  • Kagiso Tlhakung - 2012-02-26 22:16

    we want our black ppl to get the best healthcare, education and live in fully developed neighbourhoods. Lol i have just seen on the news a white man claiming land in Atlantis in Capetown lol i cant believe this he is suing the gov R28million.

      Sean - 2012-02-28 01:12

      What land ? Get a job and STFU !

  • Carlton Bana - 2012-02-26 22:22

    South Africa will never be like the rest of Africa even thou Julius is forever trying to turn it like that, the Black racists who believe in his dribble are fools he doesnt care about you, he is trying to save his own skin. Cecero says 'A a nation can survive its fools and the ambicious, but can not survive a traitor... For a traitor wears the faces of his victims... Even a murderer is less to be feared'. I say han.g the traitor by his heel, he is obiviously trying to distabilise SA him and all the Africanists and and right wingers. For give grammer and spelling

  • Carlton Bana - 2012-02-26 22:22

    South Africa will never be like the rest of Africa even thou Julius is forever trying to turn it like that, the Black racists who believe in his dribble are fools he doesnt care about you, he is trying to save his own skin. Cecero says 'A a nation can survive its fools and the ambicious, but can not survive a traitor... For a traitor wears the faces of his victims... Even a murderer is less to be feared'. I say han.g the traitor by his heel, he is obiviously trying to distabilise SA him and all the Africanists and and right wingers. For give grammer and spelling

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-02-26 22:31

    How prepared agriculturally are those who are going to get 'back' the land? Even if 80% of the land would be given to blacks, only the politically connected would benefit. What I would like to see is the improved working conditions of farmworkers and the regulation of their salaries thereof. What is the difference between a farmer who is paying his employees peanuts and a black BEE beneficiary who does not pay his Aurora employees for months. The farmer would go to Vaal Dam and spend a nice time with a family and BEE benefactor would go to Mauritius or to some flashy Sandton hotels/pubs and spend half a million on a bottle of whisky. Who is fooling who? If you may stop buying their whiskies, cars and suits, I would understand how serious you are about transformation. How many houses do you own while millions are homeless? These people you feed with propaganda would bay for your blood one day after they find out how selfish and greedy you are. Let's find the way to address poverty collectively without pointing fingers at one race because we are all losing it.

      Piet - 2012-02-26 22:37

      Nice post....ni

      Jacques - 2012-02-26 22:44

      another man with brains!!! and logic!

      Sally Lewitt - 2012-02-26 22:56

      Tshivhombela Fhatuwani for PRESIDENT! Well said with major insight and intellect!

      SJ - 2012-02-27 08:11

      According the intense CIA studies, only 12% of RSA can be considered arable land. Now, you decide if we can feed everyone without proper large scale commercial farming on this small area.

      Nigel - 2012-02-27 11:57

      Well said, 100% correct. This discussion about land reform is a waste of time until it is approached in a sensible, educated & structured way which ensures that the best possible outcome for EVERYBODY is achieved, our food security should not be negotiable, you can't have land reform but no food production & you can't have land reform being ignored, the Government must develop a workable plan, this is their job...

      Ryan - 2012-02-28 00:57

      Comments from all races here are generally pretty useless, but I don't think I've ever read a better comment on NEWS24 than this one

      Cristina - 2012-03-01 07:21

      Well spoken!!!!

  • Mesulie Vince' Ntombela - 2012-02-26 22:32

    Guys lets stop telling white people to leave South Africa...this generation was born here, its their home too. You know, i used to love white people dearly but since i joined this NEWS24 forum, im starting to hate them big time, everytime i read their comments its like i get to know their hidden character and i hate it!!! I don't like this feeling hey believe me...despite all that, i wouldn't want them to leave...we need each other.

      Sally Lewitt - 2012-02-26 22:45

      On this forum, its 0.00001% of OUR population and both colours are venting! Remember, this does NOT mean its the general population's thoughts.. So, read at your own discretion and I SEE some peeps are purposely trying to "stir" shyte!

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-02-27 00:58

      @Mesulie all kinds of people say shocking things here. It's why they spend so much time online in the first place. @William but words have started wars before.

      Chris - 2012-02-27 05:57

      I know exactly how you feel. It is the same with me just vice versa. I had a black girl once but this News24 comments is giving me a deep hate for the people who i once liked, helped.

      SJ - 2012-02-27 08:13

      That again is the attitude that many people have. I do not hate anyone, but I do hate what many people are preaching and that is my right. Thus I hate what you wrote here.

      Nigel - 2012-02-27 09:08

      Mesulie, I agree about some of the comments on this site, & it is from both black & white, News24 should moderate comments like all other websites do, this free for all allows everybody to rant & rave anonymously & it is not constructive.

      arthurbrigg - 2012-02-27 10:08

      Hey Mesulie please don't include me in the ignorant whities section! These forums attract all sorts of crazies bro, and a lot of people comment without thinking (just lash out in the moment) so you gotto take it with a pinch of salt. Keep the faith man!

      Heiku - 2012-02-27 17:07

      Welcome to the internet. Ever read any youtube comments? Doesnt matter what the video is about it turns into some kind of politically motivated war.

      Sharon - 2012-02-27 21:58

      i agree with you ,we are feeling the same way about blacks who also post racist drivel on this site

  • NickvanderLeek - 2012-02-26 22:35

    Malema uses racism to empower himself. He polarises one race against another, hoping to improve his own position. It's pure populism, motivated by sheer greed. Disgusting.

  • Sally Lewitt - 2012-02-26 22:37

    Look at the BIGGER picture.. Investors for SA are too jittery to invest billions rand that can create "manigi" (lots) jobs, free education in technology, IT, trade, etc, but hey, looks like we're ending up a "banana republic" after all with this type of mentality.. STOP being racists of ANY colour! Think further than your next bucket of KFC..

  • Eduard - 2012-02-26 22:43

    where is this guy from?

      Thabie Van Der Mphephu - 2012-02-27 07:37

      @ Piet is dat symptoms of being racist? Is Cde Malema a Venda? Go n do some research abt n stop lyng to ppl, Y sayng VhaVendas r not so clever. Aint u aware dat Cyril Ramaphosa is A MuVenda. Actualy dis group sims lyk a bunch of racist.... Do some introspectn abt ur self, n c if ur real tolerant to other ppl.....

      Thabie Van Der Mphephu - 2012-02-27 07:37

      @ Piet is dat symptoms of being racist? Is Cde Malema a Venda? Go n do some research abt n stop lyng to ppl, Y sayng VhaVendas r not so clever. Aint u aware dat Cyril Ramaphosa is A MuVenda. Actualy dis group sims lyk a bunch of racist.... Do some introspectn abt ur self, n c if ur real tolerant to other ppl.....

      Sean - 2012-02-28 01:15

      @Thabie Van Der Mphephu - FFS , learn to write English before you comment again !! Suppose you also have a degree in woodwork !!

  • vmeiring1 - 2012-02-26 22:56

    Shame. Cry baby

  • thozi - 2012-02-26 22:56

    [Yawn...} good night !!

  • Masocha Nthane - 2012-02-26 23:08

    Malema Mulder yawhn!!! Both play the race card to be popular and remain relevent in politics. Idle minds will debate this farce. GIVE LAND TO PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO UTILISE IT WHO KNOW HOW TO WORK IT AND PRODUCE CREATE JOBS AND CAN PAY TAX AND DON'T DO ANY SHADY DEALINGS.

  • Liezl Goedde - 2012-02-26 23:13

    Hey there. I also want to say something. I am white, born in 1991. One year before the end of Apartheid. Do any of you believe that I had any hand in apartheid? In taking your land? No, I didn't. I am also struggling everyday to make an existance. No-one hears me complain. Racism is wrong. My parents taught me, that we are all brothers and sisters born from other mothers. So why can't we just ignore the different skin colour and the different languages and the past and create a better future where we live as humans and not as skin colour. Wasn't that the goal of Mandiba? He always strived towards peace, didn't he?

      Masocha Nthane - 2012-02-26 23:18

      Liezy my dear the people who post comments here are idle small minded interllectually challenged freaks just like julius nee ceaser but malema

      Berthram Bowles - 2012-02-26 23:27

      I agree 100%! I was born in 85 and was 9 years old by 1994. Should I have to pay for what the previous regime was doing wrong? I guess we will always strive for peace in this land, and everywhere. If its not about race, its about religion. If its not about religion, its about sexuality and so forth.

      Liezl Goedde - 2012-02-26 23:29

      Masocha, That is why I am so sad. We all, as we stand today, was born of this land. We are all born south africans. Why must there be this struggle. The children of the future is going to have a difficult time if this proceeds. Correct the wrong now, to get back on the right road.

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-02-27 01:04

      @liezl log off and go enjoy life.

      Tamsyn - 2012-02-27 13:55

      @ William: And what kind of freedom would he have been granted with during the peak of Apartheid? He stood for equality and he fought for his freedom and he had every right to. And after almost three decades of persecution he still came out hate free and dreamed of healing a broken country. His ideals and visions for a better future are admirable and we could all learn a thing or two from his experiences.

      thozi - 2012-02-27 14:12

      Liezl, Masocha and Berthram, I'm with you and understand your concerns. Those are my concerns as well. But unfortunately, comes William who takes us back because he will never ever understand what the struggle was all about. And by that he gives ammunition to hot-heads like Malema to say 'whites are this way, intransigent, intractable, etc.' The only consolation is that there are still people like you and I, who pray to see all South Africans living in peace and building this country for the good of our children. (Masocha, your ideas on land are very 'ideal'). Nonethelss, we have to acknowledge that we will always have a "Malema" and a "William", who just wont pull along and are out to destroy the little good that is here. Pity!

      thozi - 2012-02-28 09:12

      @ William Of course you do understand better than I do, because during the dark days of apartheid, You had to carry a "dompas" on you all the time, You had to have a special permit to be in a 'white area' after 21h00, You could only attend 'inferior' schools, with no toilets, no fresh water, no electriity, no library, etc, You were prevented to go to beaches, theatres, hotels, city stadiums, etc. You were told you were inferior and ordered to call members of certain privillaged groups 'Baas', 'Missies', Unlike today, you were locked up for expressing your opinion, You were paid a fifth of what privillaged races were paid, in salary or pension, Any cop could lock you up if you were driving a beautiful car, for probably "having stolen it". Certain jobs were reserved for other races such a bank tellers, city bus drivers, trains drivers, air pilots, magistrates, judges, auditors, etc. You had no voting rights and if you complained, you got locked up. There were only two 'low-standard' universities for all of you - yet you were in the majority. Of course you've lived through all that and so you should understand better. The trouble with you, the so-called liberals, is that you claim to understand what blacks went through. You don't even know why Mr Mandela decided to take up arms to fight apartheid and I'm not even going to try to explain to you. You are worse than the so-called "Verkramptes" - at least they do not pretend. Your kind make me sick!

      thozi - 2012-02-28 09:55

      @ William Finally and to crown it all, your Soouth African citizenship (your birth right)was taken away from you and you were made a citizen of one Bantustand or another. If you even questioned that, you were imprisoned without trial. Despite all that, Mr Mandela and others like ourselves, still recognised the need not to corect a wrong with another wrong, hence the effort to forget the bad experiences of the past and build a future that is fair and just for ALL South Africans - including you.

  • Justus Kilian - 2012-02-26 23:17

    “It is not propaganda’s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success.” - Joseph Goebbels

  • schalk.barnard - 2012-02-26 23:17

    Seems like wood work was his best subject. Blacks wasnt killed for land, they just felt intimidated and left out of free will. When our forefathers arrived there was absolutely nothing. They developed the county and today we all benefit from it. Not even doc Brown change the past but we all can can build a better future. Rather ask yourself how can I change the world for someone today. Pay it forward.

  • matthews.bantsijang - 2012-02-26 23:31

    “What makes a good leader is the ability to listen. Even if we are mad, the leadership must listen to our madness”. Like...

  • Theo - 2012-02-26 23:39

    I have an idea... Lets give the racist blacks and racist whites a piece of land, Malema can lead the one and that white hate camp leader, the other. They can then fight and kill each other in peace! # SeeWhatIDidThere This way, the rest of the true rainbow nation can then work towards a better future. F.Y.I what a waste of potential, South Africa is an amazing place with fantastic people. Wish you racists (both black, white, green and purple) could see it. Lets get rid of the rubbish. Whites may have brought borders to Africa, but you must be blind not to see the borders our government is bringing to our people. Separating us from each other through their actions and policies. I am white and proudly African!

      Liezl Goedde - 2012-02-26 23:58

      I agree 100% With you Theo. South Africa is a rainbow nation. We were born, feed and live in this nation, so why must it be divided? I thought the land belonged to nature, we're just living on it. There is no real land owner unless you "buy" it - real estate wise.

      Obakeng Molobi - 2012-02-27 07:17

      I fully agree with you. . . After the racist bunch kill each other in peace, may I get a tender to dig their graves? Ha ha.

      Nicole van der Velde - 2012-02-27 07:17

      Blah blah - you out Malema and u are suspended - suck it up princess- I'm sure news 24 can find something better to write about - what a waste of publication space

  • Matthew Patrick - 2012-02-26 23:46

    We all originated on this continent, left the southern part to discover new lands and 'immigrated' back at some point in time. My point is that the land doesn't belong to one particular demographic, it belongs to all of us!

  • Nkosinathi - 2012-02-27 00:22

    Malema looks to flourish again. This is what a racially polarised society in which the majority is impoverished begets. Mulder, Visagie and like minded people make Malema an appealing Robin Hood figure to the disenfranchised. I am just counting the days until the ANC uses its majority in parliament to democratically call for a refferendum so the people can have their say on the sanctity of the constitution which is being touted as the rich (read white) people's constitution. The predominantly white ConCourt and judiciary will only last as long as the votes are counted. By insinuation, the ANC is already blaming certain provisions of the constitution as applied by the ConCourt for lack of transformation. What is to stop the ANC calling for such a democratic process where the marginalised will claim the judicial space? The drowning Malema is already clutching at the straws provided by the recent outburst of racist statements from the rightwing. Whats next? Mangaung is not going to be pretty and post Mangaung life is gonna get interesting.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:53

      Predominately white ConCourt????? Huh??

      flysouth - 2012-02-27 13:48

      Before posting garbage here do a little research: Judges of the Constitutional Court: Chief Justice Mogoeng Mogoeng Deputy Chief Justice Dikgang Moseneke Justice Bess Nkabinde Justice Chris Jafta Justice Edwin Cameron Justice Johan Froneman Justice Johann van der Westhuizen Justice Sisi Khampepe Justice Thembile Skweyiya Justice Zak Yacoob Out of 10, 3 are white. Predominantly white? Get real. As for a referendum on the Constitution this cannot happen - to change the Constitution the ANC would need a two-thirds majority in Parliament - and that is the only way that change can come. What you advocate in your blithering and ignorant post is in fact a revolution led by the government of the day, effectively against itself and existing Constitutional structures! God help us that we have such moronic "thinkers" in SA!

  • Sinudeity - 2012-02-27 00:55

    "...then the "economic freedom fighters" would defend it" Hopefully, the militant right-wings will defend themselves and the 'economic freedom fighters' will defend themselves until none of them are left.

  • kolaiah - 2012-02-27 02:10

    Seems as if he has more to say now that he is banned from the official youth league. Good strategy from ANC to give a louder voice to a radical murder motivator...

  • Grant Olivier - 2012-02-27 05:01

    The charges against Malema had nothing to do with white people. It was all about him sowing division in the ANC and embarassingly wanting to interfere in politics in Botswana. He was never charged for hostility towards whites, still only in South Africa is the anti-white race card a defence for Malema's injuries to black people. Seriously, people are allowing their fears and prejudices to be manipulated to distract from the real issues.

      Lubabalo Mkiva - 2012-02-27 06:52

      What is this...is it the hate Malema forum? Its amazing how stupid Caucasians sound when they respond to the word Malema.

      looneylani - 2012-02-27 11:23

      Lubabalo... I think if you read most posts about Malema... there are all races commenting on how they are fed up with this. Going in circles constantly is not going to being about positive change to SA.

  • Lucky Tshilimandila - 2012-02-27 06:18

    Is this a racism forum or what? Jerrrr u guys are all a bunch of fools.

      Nigel - 2012-02-27 09:52

      Agree, when is News24 going to moderate this forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Frikkie - 2012-02-27 06:30

    Ahh Malema. You remind me of the blocked drain that I had last week. Smelly, Regurgitating the same $h!t and easily sorted out with a plunger stuck straight through it.

  • Rajan - 2012-02-27 06:45

    Fact 1. The nguni tribe invaded and took by force this land from the Khoisan. Fact 2: When the first white settlers arrived here, there were no roads, no infrastructure, no tamed domestic animals and no use of the wheel Fact 3: The Nguni tribes had no traditional clothing and no script to record their language. This they got from the settlers.

      Lubabalo Mkiva - 2012-02-27 06:59

      Is that what they taught u @ school Rajan? Who wrote that? is it not the settlers grandson? Think man think properly.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:54

      @Lubabalo, sorry chief, this is history - you too can go and read up on it... I'm talking about fact1

      wo0two0t - 2012-02-27 14:51

      Lubabalo - did you get an education at all even a grade 1?

  • Larry - 2012-02-27 06:55

    What a load of Rubbish. The guy is clutching at straws. The ANC has got to shut this whole episode down, get rid of this Ratbag once and for all and move on.

  • Nick - 2012-02-27 07:19

    The state owns about 40,000,000 hectares of the 120,000,000 hectares in South Africa. 16,000,000 hectares lay fallow. Read the article in the CIA's "World Book of Facts"

  • songy217 - 2012-02-27 07:27

    I don't understand all you people. I don't understand why discrimination, corruption and racism exists. We all scream for equal rights EQUAL RIGHTS, but what the point of that if we are ALL RACISTS AGAINST EACH OTHER???!! When Mandela became president, he decided to forgive the people that beat him up, put him into prison for 20 years? Why are people fighting over this? Xenophobia? It is not anyone's RIGHT to chase away or refuse to leave. THat is LIFE and no one can force that. Discriminating and singing "Shoot the Boer"? THAT IS RECOMMENDING MURDER! Breaking the law, hurting people to achieve FREEDOM FOR THE COUNTRY? What's the point of that?

  • Jacques - 2012-02-27 07:57

    Marah, if you claim the land, please proove to me that the land we have was yours to begin with, then maybe we can investigate it more together and sue those who ended up with the proceeds, cause surely whet we have was never given to us in the was you want it freely. I also wonder how you or your fore fathers lived on this land, cause when we got it there was no water, rivers, water holes.... we had to drill for water, fitted wind mills/pumps and dams.... please tell me how did you or your fore father survive without water or food...

  • neil.hamman - 2012-02-27 08:03

    Nice try Mr Malema. I dont think that this is going to save you. If the right has been empowered its due to your rhetoric. You are one of the leading causes of it. Best thing for the Government to do is to get rid of you and then South Africa can carry on and try and find common ground. You my friend are a dividing factor in the country. With you and people like you there will always be racial issues.

  • SJ - 2012-02-27 08:08

    Rightwingers actually balance out the voice of the commie liberal pumpkins and people like Malema...it is sad that such things even exist, therefor It is time to take an honest look at history, to do real studies and get to the truth. This should also include an independant and complete land audit. Malema should call for this if he has honest intensions.

  • IcemanGP - 2012-02-27 08:08

    http://pc4.vuclip.com/s260.vuclip.com/f0/8b/f08b187549a1f0d9ecfc3234cfa95e9b/ba123207/AfriForumOns_f08b_w_2.3gp?c=409551932&u=1092862418&s=BNaFNd I'm not an Afriforum supporter, but this video is interesting in the sense in saying, that we too have a history.

  • Mary - 2012-02-27 08:19

    From a historical viewpoint Mr Mulder is absolutely correct. The Cape regions were inhabited by Qua and Bushmen (not Nguni) peoples and these were mostly killed by settlers (Black and White), internecine squabbles and smallpox. Today very few Qua (mainly some of the Nama tribe) and even less Bushmen survive. However loud or often one shouts in denial, it will not change facts.

  • Stephen - 2012-02-27 08:24

    Part of me wants to spend the rest of my life here in SA, but there's a voice in the back of my head telling me to get the f@#k out, and every time I read the news it gets louder.............I know "stop reading the news"