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ANCYL leaps to Winnie's defence

2012-07-25 07:44

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League on Tuesday criticised the deputy communications minister for questioning Winnie Madikizela-Mandela's "rich legacy".

"How dare you attempt to diminish the rich legacy of Mama who has never retreated from freeing our people politically and economically?" league spokesperson Magdalene Moonsamy wrote in an open letter to Deputy Communications Minister Stella Ndabeni.

"She is the culmination of the life of a woman who has never backed down from principle and commitment not only to the masses of South Africa but the oppressed peoples the world over."

The Sowetan on Monday quoted Ndabeni saying Madikizela-Mandela was not a saint and was wrong to criticise President Jacob Zuma's polygamous lifestyle.

In a post on social media platform Facebook, Ndabeni slated Madikizela-Mandela's latest criticism of Zuma's multiple marriages.

She also wrote: "Mam' Winnie has always seen a great leader like Madiba in [expelled ANCYL leader Julius] Malema, and now the mother of our nation sees immorality in Zuma... who is a saint between the two of them?" wrote Ndabeni.

Responding to the post Moonsamy said: "Is it wrong for Mama; the mother of a nation, to caution young people and advocate for one partner?

"This especially when HIV and Aids is ravaging our communities of parents who perish because of the disease; and leave their young children in the care of the elderly."

Ndabeni's statement came after Madikizela-Mandela said in an interview, to be aired on September 5, that one could not advise the youth to stick to one partner while the president had multiple wives.

Comments
  • michael.kleber.376 - 2012-07-25 07:51

    I still wonder what some people use as a criteria to identify a leader or great leader for that matter clearly the standards are set quite low particularly in this case

      Grant - 2012-07-25 13:00

      Just wish they would stop calling IT the mother of the nation...

  • johan.vanhoff - 2012-07-25 07:52

    WHAT ABOUT STOMPIE?

      alan.gernet - 2012-07-25 08:52

      so Phosa, your point is that murder is OK if it is for some cause? (aka cos). And also, what (cos) was Stompie murdered for exactly, and how did his death further that (cos)?

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-07-25 09:41

      Alan you have cosed phosa a headache now, he is trying to work out an answer to you but eish it's difficult.

      harold.parsons.37 - 2012-07-25 10:32

      Stompie was a stupid young tsotse who thought he could play politics with big people and when it was decided he knew to much they got rid of him. He was hanging out with winnies football club to see what he got out of it he got what he deserved. Its a pity Winnie did not get what she deserved.

      phosa.peter2 - 2012-07-25 10:42

      @HAROLD you made my Day..100.%.zining i'mpimpi eza bulawa on that time. Stompie makes no difference.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-07-25 10:55

      what a cos? what now??

  • andre.marx - 2012-07-25 07:54

    She is the culmination of the life of a woman who has never backed down from principle and commitment not only to the masses of South Africa but the oppressed peoples the world over" She also never backed down on commiting fraud or murder. Even Nelson walked away from her. What are you smoking Moonsamy?

  • Mandy Casey - 2012-07-25 07:55

    She should join the yl

      fanie.rudolph.1 - 2012-07-25 08:08

      yes, she aint to old.

      alan.gernet - 2012-07-25 08:32

      nah Mandy - that would just bring down the average IQ of the YL even further.

      phosa.peter2 - 2012-07-25 08:41

      What grammar is this?go back 2 school mandy, u suck..

  • millionwatts1 - 2012-07-25 07:55

    Unlike Winnie, Stella has to suck up for a job in that wobbly cabinet. Why else would someone go against a one partner campaign?

      harold.parsons.37 - 2012-07-25 10:38

      Its to do with culture she obviously prefers the ANC swingers club thats why they have a triparthied alliance with Vavi. Its easier to swing from one mother to the other. HuH?!

  • max.reynecke - 2012-07-25 08:00

    She is a murderous, thieving, arrogant excuse for a human...the perfect African queen.

      azande.futhi - 2012-07-25 08:42

      so what?

  • devon.riley.52 - 2012-07-25 08:05

    Well I think Ndabeni has got a point there. Lets see what the showerman's actions signify: Sleep with multiple partners, even with somebody you know is HIV positive, and have a shower afterwards and you won't get aids. When appointing people to key position, only appoint those loyal to you, no relevant experience or qualifications needed. You can be as corrupt as you like, but don't get caught. Look at me I managed to squash 783 charges against me, and I managed to become president after ousting another because I know how to play politics. I don't have to declare my business interests as I am above the law, I am the president. After I seriously failed education South Africa arranging my friends at Edusolutions to provide text books, all I have to do is blame colonial rule for our failures and all is well..... Such a wonderfull inspiring example he sets for us.

      alan.gernet - 2012-07-25 08:47

      meanwhile - SA tips towards a point of no return. If we cannot see past our noses, and only consider instant gratification and enrichment, it is my opinion thaT WE ARE GUILTY OF CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. Look at SA's destruction of the environment for example. As thing are going now in the world, we will have destroyed the earth within 40-50 years! 10 Billion people on the planet have no access to drinkable water today. We are chopping down rainforests (lungs of the earth) at the rate of 1.5 acres PER SECOND, 24/7, 365. This is diminishing O2, accelerating global warming, and causing the extinction of 134 species/plants/micro-organisms per day, 365. Water is being polluted at an unprecedented rate. And SA's policy?? Eish. Let's frack the Karroo for some more instant cash at the expense of the environment! The earth has an ballooning population which the earth's resources cannot meet at present. So what is SA's reaction - have large families (or kids out of wedlock, I should say). So really, what I am saying is that the Juju's Showerheads, and Stompie-Extinguishers of SA are irrelevant little people, considering what we are facing. Time to put greed aside, and face the REAL ISSUES as a united nation, under REAL leadership.

      steward.mcfreed - 2012-07-25 10:06

      I have never come across a stupid person like you.Why did you vote for him as your president when you knew he was a rapist, shower man, corrupt.You are hopeless opportunist you thought voting for him he will reward you with your desires. Let me tell you Zuma is a born anointed blessed leader it doesn't matter what you think about him today. I will not surprised if you are not one of the youth league out-casts. Refer to ten commandments respect your father and mother so that the days given to you by God can be increased.That's why you and your friend Malema are out there without a political home because you failed to respect your elders. If you want some donation from Zuma why don't you ask him for it. How many partners have you slept with?even yesterday you might had without knowing they were HIV positive so what makes you better than him? If you do not know politics get out leave them to the experts instead of mixing them with social private personal lives.You sound like a real black child who grew up in the streets without respect for adults.Did you give your father a mocking nickname? what is it? this what you say about other people is exactly the true reflection of how you were brought up. you need help boy repent.

  • wisani.mathonsi1 - 2012-07-25 08:06

    One has to ask themselves that do you have to be a Saint to question zuma morality? Me think no, even i bling person can see that zuma is worse than the devil.. Or Stella was trying his luck with the SPEAR?.. Where was this girl stella when Winnie was being tortured by the apartheid regime? This expelled youth leader has a nerve to utter such Bull Cock.. Or is it coz Mangaung is near and shes raising her hand to please the Master, as we all know if you defend the spear you get rewadrded with a minestrial post, no wonder why zumas national admin sucks....

      nghamula.mdunwazi - 2012-07-25 08:17

      Hahahahahahahahaha he wisani awuswitivi kuri stella imuzulu?

      azande.futhi - 2012-07-25 08:44

      u have a point there. ndabeni is one attention seeking idiot. she's probably contesting for first-ladyship.

      wisani.mathonsi1 - 2012-07-25 08:44

      Ngamula, Se na swi vona kuri ixi nwana manana.. Va lava ku tsakisa Mkhalabye zuma. He he he!!!

      wisani.mathonsi1 - 2012-07-25 08:46

      @devon, afriforum with brains? Wow more like saying George W. Bush was a saint.. Afriforum are just obssessed lil stupid brats who have nothing to do than play in the kareokee

      wisani.mathonsi1 - 2012-07-25 09:23

      @azande, maybe she was trying her luck with the blunt spear. Perhaps she can just tell us what was her mother doing during the struggle.

      foggy.mushwana - 2012-07-25 10:38

      I think wisani is on point when he say u dont have 2 be a saint to question Zumas morality or lack thereof. If Winnie has a political vandata behind her statement then i would care less but if she says it 4rom a Wise womans point of view the I stand behind that statement fully! Zuma has no morals #period#....How do u impragnate ur friends daughter? sies man!

  • iceman196 - 2012-07-25 08:12

    what does yl stand for 'young leechers' or young lappies' what a bunch of dronkgat comedians they are

      wisani.mathonsi1 - 2012-07-25 08:16

      YL, makes more sense than those clowns of yours called afriforum...

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-07-25 08:27

      At least the Afriforum guys have enough brains to win their court cases and they don't have to burst into tears to try and get sympathy from the judge

      azande.futhi - 2012-07-25 08:47

      @devon, and they fight for the masses rights...hahahha pathetic hypocrites called afri4mine aka white-rule-campaignists

      leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-07-25 08:56

      Jong spelonke…

  • braamc - 2012-07-25 08:17

    Blah blah blah, has beens

  • Psy4genic.Mgcwaba - 2012-07-25 08:20

    Mama Winnie Mandela is right, this is equivalent to a Minister of the word tell people to do what he preaches and not what he does.

  • jeffrey.mnisi - 2012-07-25 08:22

    Who is fooling who. the road is very short for Zuma, Zuma beware the ides of Mangaung. If the current youth league backs Mama Winnie on the fact that zuma is a disgrace, he cannot address youth on the Issue of HIV&AIDS, they are backing Malema for critisizing Zuma 's sexual behaviour.

      alan.gernet - 2012-07-25 08:34

      The road is short for the ANC, the ANCYL and the entire SA unless we get honest, fair, and accountable leaders.

      mpho.mashego.35 - 2012-07-25 09:28

      Leaders like the DA has ! Not if they call us refugees in our own country

  • eugene.vanzyl.12 - 2012-07-25 08:24

    She is such n good Mamma,ask STOMPIE ....?

  • fanie.viljoen.73 - 2012-07-25 08:24

    Obviously, anything against the establishment, no matter what the consequences.

  • morne.willemse.77 - 2012-07-25 08:28

    Winnie and Julius together in Cabinet? Honey, pack our bags, we are leaving...

  • TheVern69 - 2012-07-25 08:29

    Another corrupt Mama...remember what happened to Manto! Hope this \Queen\ eats her onions ;-)

  • johannes.modise2 - 2012-07-25 08:29

    but i support what MAMA said,ZJ is a president but he have got 6 wife.He must lead by example,currently have 21 kids.How are going to tell people to have one partner?

  • 2zbunu - 2012-07-25 08:33

    Go Winnie go Winnie!!! I have a feeling she can stand and contest in Mangaung.

      alan.gernet - 2012-07-25 08:49

      Yeah, she is a shining example of morality and intelligence. No wonder SA is sinking fast.

      harald.voney - 2012-07-25 09:28

      Ja a "feeling"... not common sense!

  • njabs.ngcobo - 2012-07-25 08:34

    If this witch was such a good ''Mama'' why would one of the greatest men to have lived in our lifetime divorce her and marry another woman at such an old age? Why could Madiba not stand her? Yes Zuma is a mess but dont throw sones if you live in a glass house ''Mama''

  • White.Tiger.Diamond.Paw - 2012-07-25 08:36

    Who made Winnie Madikizela the moral authority on polygamy when its common knowledge that she fornicated with most of her bodyguards? Why else did Mandela divorce her either than the difference in policy! The ANC keeps shooting itself in the foot and is slowly but surely losing ground in the eyes of its own people!

  • azande.futhi - 2012-07-25 08:41

    Do you need to be a Saint to question an immoral and pathetic behaviour? We all know Zuma is worse and does not have even a single moral fibre. Whether Winnie is a Saint or not doesn't matter, what matters is that she stood up and criticised Zuma's ill morality to discouraged spreading of behaviour like his in our society.

  • lephans.lufuno - 2012-07-25 08:45

    even if u can try to beautify it but fact remains polygamy is an act of adultery and is a babaric behavior and it should be condemed irrespective of who committed it. It should be forbided and slained, and you can enforce respect you earn it thru your action.,JZ.

      azande.futhi - 2012-07-25 08:56

      Though I do not support polygamy but I have to correct there, polygamy is not an act of adultery. Adultery is committed when a married person is having sexual intercourse with a person who is "not his/her spouse". In polygamy, your wives are your spouses.

      Lennon Chenga - 2012-07-25 09:16

      Not to judge anyone @Azande but before you marry your next wife, do u not commit adultery by having intercourse with her? Point is, would they not have slept together before they get married? What do u think?

      azande.futhi - 2012-07-25 10:00

      @Lennon, its highly possible that they slept before the got married. If it happened, yes, they were committing adultery. Lefuno says "polygamy" is an act of adultery, that is not correct. Say, just like in other cultures and religions, you do not sleep with a woman until you marry her. Then you marry four women without having slept with them before marriage. that is "polygamy" but it is definitely not adultery. Hope u get my point. @kenny, Khoza's daughter does not form part of the polygamous ring of Zuma. Its a separate affair which indeed in my view is adulterous. Here we are talking about the subject "polygamy" alone (with or without citing Zuma).

      Lennon Chenga - 2012-07-25 10:21

      @Azande I agree with you 100% that if they didn't do the act before marriage, then yes no adultery was committed. Chances of that though..... But yes I get your point.

  • leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-07-25 09:01

    Zuma getting very thin nowadays. Must be on a very strict diet ;-)

      leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-07-25 09:06

      All the pap 'n pooz he consumes methinks :-)

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-07-25 09:14

    I agree with ANCYL-100 %

      harald.voney - 2012-07-25 09:34

      Yes... obviously you would. Birds of a feather.... (but you prob don't know that one??)

  • kooskanmar - 2012-07-25 09:18

    Look at the positive side - At least some members of the ANC are now realizing that they make a huge mistake voting Zuma into power. Even if those opposing him are by no means better than him in any way, accepting your mistake is a step in the right direction. Zuma's poor leadership cost this country billions. Mismanagement by his cronies and corruption became an epidemic in his short few years in the office. Please just select a qualified president next time and not a corrupt clueless ex-herds boy with a nice personality and huge $ex drive.

      harald.voney - 2012-07-25 09:35

      Yes... and it looks like we have another 4 years of the sh$#t to come...

  • mpho.galane1 - 2012-07-25 09:20

    Those who criticises uMama Winnie r afraid or avoiding the truth

  • azael.mohlahlo - 2012-07-25 09:23

    whats the name of a game(im better than you)?

  • harald.voney - 2012-07-25 09:27

    Their std of future leaders is sorly limited.... But as long as they think they wonderful....

  • charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-07-25 09:29

    I confirm those woman are not forced to be his wife its a choice and its those womans choice to make so what is the problem? Accept that we have to suport them I see no problem

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-07-25 12:07

      Mzi, you don't know me so you don't know what I am the product of. In the racist department you are not doing badly yourself. Get a life.

  • Michael - 2012-07-25 10:02

    ANC must wipeout all these jokers from the helm of ANCYL, their loyalty to Malema is not doing youth any good, they support anybody who hurts ANC leadership, including those who disrupt events of the ANC, we cant have these people in leadership position anymore.

      azande.futhi - 2012-07-25 10:14

      I do not agree with you, ANCYL profusely and publicly condemned the recent disruption of Mandela Lecture in Limpopo. They also condemned many acts of violence committed under the guise of ANCYL and publicly distanced themselves from such actions. Here, the ANCYL is supporting a principle, Winnie rightfully criticised Zuma’s behaviour because it gives a wrong impression to the youth that it is good to have more than one partner. ANCYL is saying “one doesn’t have to a saint” to criticise what is wrong. Whether you interpret their support for Winnie “in this subject” as being caused by the fact that she was criticising ANC leadership, it’s your own view and yes you are entitled to it.

      Michael - 2012-07-25 10:41

      It does not require a rocket scientist to figure out the agenda of this ANCYL is to defend Malema, maybe other people can be fooled, watchout guys, there are many young people who are very open minded in the ANC, we can see that there was a denial to accept outcome of NDCA, Zuma was supported with the same ANCYL and Winnie was at the forefront to get Zuma into power, is it only now that his poligamous relationship is a problem?

  • alfie.dunn - 2012-07-25 11:03

    Moonsamy, you need a regte P**s Klap.

  • antony.chimbidzikai - 2012-07-25 11:09

    Zuma is right to choose polygamy but for a mere deputy minister whats-her-name to stand up and defend him and castigate our first mother is just wayward. How would she feel if her good husband takes my sister (or Malema's sister for instance) for wife number two? Im sure she'll be more than excited!! Leave mama to play her role. Like it or not, this not politics, its about life. Dont mix HIV talk with stupid politics. Maybe she wants to be wife number godknowswhat

  • antony.chimbidzikai - 2012-07-25 11:09

    Zuma is right to choose polygamy but for a mere deputy minister whats-her-name to stand up and defend him and castigate our first mother is just wayward. How would she feel if her good husband takes my sister (or Malema's sister for instance) for wife number two? Im sure she'll be more than excited!! Leave mama to play her role. Like it or not, this not politics, its about life. Dont mix HIV talk with stupid politics. Maybe she wants to be wife number godknowswhat

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-07-25 11:56

    Wow!! that's telling us. Just as well she isn't Catholic otherwise the ANCYL will want a sainthood for her.

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-07-25 13:29

    ANCYL. Can't leap, can't jump, can't run, can't even walk. Ask Juju.

  • Matlala - 2012-07-25 16:21

    I find myself perplexed by the conduct of Winnie Madikizela who keeps on rallying behind expelled Julius Malema and suspended Magaqa and Shivambu. She never found it moral and ethical to condemn unacceptable language they apply against ANC and its leadership. Winnie continues to attack the integrity of ANC and that of sitting President. She continues to influence the youth of South Africa in an astray manner. Although she played a pivotal role in liberating our conuntry her deeds discredited her worse than Zuma would have done to himself. Malema and his disgruntled and dissident youth should strongly condemn the character of Winnie Madikizela who was caught in adultery with Dali Mpofu. She still hang around with a cloud over her face on the issue of permanent disappearance of Stompie.\r\nYouth league should encourage ethical living and thinking into the lives of the present and the future generation. Winnie should stop following the youith as if they are her pop stars. She must encourage ANCYL to learn to live beyond Malemacious human being. \r\nFinally I am disappointed by the conduct of Winnie Madikizela. I find it difficult to associate her with the Holly name of 'Mandela'. That is why I continue to address her as Winnie MadikizelaM

  • B.b. - 2012-07-25 17:08

    Oh please... I'm also an ANCYL member, but I can't defend Winnie. People must stop using the ANCYL brand to push their angenda. I don't support anyone who' is sowing division amongst the ANC membership. Winnie is not bringing any peace as the mother of the nation, but any woman who is involved in a polygamic relationship and has developed hatred toward other women lol

  • dang.mpiwe - 2012-07-26 06:57

    Madikizela-Mandela's comments about the president morality are pathetic.

  • teboh.rapheal - 2012-08-02 12:42

    many africans are still traumatized by occupation.the is need to stop thinking about reconciliation with the enemy and deprogamme all african minds first.how can an african minister make such a statement?we still bear indo aryan names and pray to thier GOD.this iw hy we do not see clearly yet kiki

  • jpstrauss - 2012-08-02 12:54

    That's a nice necklace she's wearing in that photo. I remember she always DID have a thing for a nice necklace.

  • Michael - 2012-08-02 13:16

    erm, has everyone forgotten about Stompie? I'm certain if he were alive, he'd have something else to say about Winnie.

  • ron.samuels.129 - 2012-09-07 05:50

    I agree with Winnie when it comes to Zuma and his multible wives but I want the ANCYL to shut up and not compare Malema with Madiba!Alone that statement shows that they will never get it what a low life,uneducated loud mouth Malema is!I hope he'll rott in jail or hell soon!

  • ron.samuels.129 - 2012-09-07 05:54

    the mother of our nation my ass!

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