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ANCYL march ends peacefully

2011-10-28 14:18

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League's two-day march for economic freedom ended peacefully at the Union Buildings in Pretoria on Friday.

"We are not fighting government, we want more. We want job creation to be doubled," ANCYL president Julius Malema told reporters at the conclusion of the march.

"You cannot compare our government to the government of Egypt and Tunisia. If you march it doesn't mean you don't love the ANC."

Over the two days, the marchers handed over memorandums to the Chamber of Mines in the Johannesburg CBD, the Johannesburg Stock Exchange in Sandton, and to the government at the Union Buildings.

The demands centred on the economy, poverty and high youth unemployment.

No reported incidents

Estimates of how many people joined the two-day march that began in the Johannesburg CBD on Thursday ranged from 2 000 to 10 000.

"People say the numbers are too small," said Malema, wearing a yellow ANC-branded T-shirt bearing the image of former president Nelson Mandela.

"Those people who say that [we] can't even organise 20 people for a birthday. Thank you all. Numbers stand at 25 000 people."

Chaos erupted in the last mass action by ANCYL members outside Luthuli House in central Johannesburg at the start of Malema's disciplinary hearing last month.

Youth league members threw rocks, bottles and bricks at journalists and police, and burnt ANC flags and T-shirts with pictures of President Jacob Zuma printed on them.

In contrast, the two-day economic march went off without any reported incidents.

Tshwane metro police said they were satisfied.

Tight control

"Only two cases of minor exhaustion were reported and the people received treatment from the Tshwane emergency services and were later fine," said spokesperson Console Tleane.

Malema kept tight control of marchers over the two days, admonishing them when fights broke out over cooldrinks and urging schoolchildren not to join, but to get back to school.

At the conclusion of the march, he told the crowd: "Yesterday was OR Tambo's birthday, the longest serving president of the ANC. In his spirit, let's leave peacefully."

The weary crowd quietly dispersed, encouraged by the turning on of the sprinklers on the Union Buildings' littered lawn.

The march started a day after testimony in Malema's disciplinary hearing was concluded.

He and several co-leaders face charges of bringing the ruling party into disrepute.

Malema walked 35km

The march covered around 80km, of which Malema said he walked 35km.

Newly-appointed Public Works Minister Thulas Nxesi accepted the document handed over in Pretoria and promised to take it to the "relevant structures" of government for a response in due course.

Some sang: "Kgalema's my president", referring to Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe.

Placards carried read: "Black on black apartheid", "greed-based corruption" and "yes we don't want Zuma and Gwede", referring to President Jacob Zuma and ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe.

Others read: "Ninety-percent of the economy is still in the hands of the minority" and "Malema we must stand by you through thick and thin".

‘Down with white capital monopoly’

On Thursday, Chamber of Mines CEO Bheki Sibiya received the ANCYL memorandum and undertook to distribute it to the chamber's 55 members.

"We understand that the level of unemployment is too high and we agree with the youth league that the level of poverty is too high," he said.

The league wanted the nationalisation of mines and the introduction of probation programmes within companies to give youth skills in mining.

When the group reached the JSE, Malema chanted: "Down with white capital monopoly. The people who are stealing our wealth must come on stage."

An official from the JSE received the memorandum from Malema, saying only: "Thank you for the opportunity. We will take your demands to the executive."

Constitution change wanted


Among the league's demands to government, was a call to amend section 25 of the Constitution which protects private property against arbitrary expropriation and allows for compensation.

The league's memorandum said all productive land should be nationalised and leased, and neighbourhoods electrified.

Labour brokers must be banned and all vacant government posts be filled.

A state bank must be established and foreign policy must be changed to isolate countries that threaten South Africa's sovereignty.

A fund must be established to send 10 000 students to the best universities.

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Comments
  • Gary - 2011-10-28 14:33

    Why is it always white people this, white people that, white people have not ruled this country for round 15 years. The ANCYL NEEDS an enemy, unfortunately it's the "whites". Don't push to hard Mr Malema, the "whites" might just start pushing back

      Thabo - 2011-10-28 14:40

      gary you are true

      Rob - 2011-10-28 14:46

      17 years but if you have nothing and someone tells you that you may get something for free, of course you will think "great" and support that person regardless of how reckless and ilogical it actually is. Ahhhhh... humans... funny creatures.

      Rob - 2011-10-28 14:54

      @Luiz - How can you steal a means of production that didn't exist. Were productive mines maybe stolen? Who's means of production is it anyway? Surely you must realise that no particular racial group is entitled to anything over another? This is why apartheid was fought. I stand by Nelson Mandela's speech where he said "I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons will live together in harmony with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for, and to see realised. But my Lord, if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die."

      Luiz - 2011-10-28 14:59

      @rob,you know quite well that whites benefited from apartheid,now its about time our government nationalise mines.by the way whites came to south africa by ships,they ddnt originate from here.how can i come to your yard and own your bedroom?

      Rajanell - 2011-10-28 15:08

      Yes Gary they ruled for more than that, and the should account for killing and robbing black people for all those years.

      Ubabamkhulu - 2011-10-28 15:10

      Luiz, we were not here first. There is scientific evidence that Indians were here long before us. (before 1600) May I also remind you that the white man first met black people at the Fish River during the Groot Trek. Besides the Koi and the San, the Soutern tip of Africa were vacant when Jan van Riebeeck came in 1652.

      Luiz - 2011-10-28 15:19

      @servaas this issue its sensetive,ther are many young blacks who are unemployed.im telling you that if they dont nationalise the mines we will see another uprising,and dnt forget that the population of blacks is more than whites

      Dmitri - 2011-10-28 15:32

      Luiz, yes there are more blacks than whites. Remember Blood river, Savate, et al.....

      Servaas - 2011-10-28 15:33

      @Luiz: I worked hard for what I have in life.. In short, if any of you "young lions" set foot on my property and try to steal what I have worked for I will blow you to kingdom come. I am sure I put it simple enough for you ANCYL clowns to understand.

      Marieta - 2011-10-28 15:46

      @Luiz. There's many youngh whites that are unemployed and please do take in mind that alot of overseas companies have invested in these mines and once they pull out of SA, just as Appple and Pepsi did during the time of apartheid then SA will see its ass. Money will leave this country faster than what you can count to 10.

      JuditVictor - 2011-10-28 15:46

      Malema's talk of disowning the whites of their land bodes misery for this country. Seems that in the end it will all be true. South Africa like the rest of the continent will go belly up with militia running the streets, children armed to the teeth and no a single farm in working order to produce food. Did he once tell them not to have children so early, or did he tell them to go back to their school books - I think not. He promised them the world. AND so, the South African episode will also come to its natural conclusion. Why do all the caucasion countries (europe, americas, Ozz, NZ, Canada) allow black people freely to buy land to be prosperous (lots of times to their own detriment - England recently a case in point), but the African, no matter where he was born and bred, will lay claim to it.. well actually only until the last white face leaves, then it's the same old, same old like Rwanda, Zimbabwe (gosh that was a magnificent country), Sudan, Haiti...

      Tabile - 2011-10-28 15:49

      Whites don't know what it means to debate constructively, debate to them means "Us the whites setting the national agenda at all cost".

      Luiz - 2011-10-28 15:55

      @servaars im unshaken with your threats,if they dnt nationalize mines we will mobilse like we did yesterday,wat im asking myself is that will u face we the young lions?

      ammpike - 2011-10-28 15:55

      @Ubabomkulu this is a blue lie this is what you Europeans want us to believe Jan Van Riebeeck and his gang was a bunch of convicted criminals that were dumped by the Dutch government on the

      Jeff - 2011-10-28 16:14

      Luiz and blacks came from central africa after being banished from their countries because of tribal wars. I have as much right to be in tyhis country. My forefathers arrived in 1686. Where were your forefathers then? Still climbing trees in Congo? Moegoe.

      Servaas - 2011-10-28 16:24

      @Luiz: Whoopy b.com. Whatever, you spell just as bad as Malema. This is why I will always have more money than you is because I work for what I want, not wait to steal or wait for hand outs.. LOSER!

      Luiz - 2011-10-28 16:24

      @servaas i like your confidence.doesnt mean if you are from iraq and saw wars gives you victory.im telling you servaas that here you met the wrong people.blood will flow if government doesnt nationalise mines.and im telling you that victory is certain

      Deon - 2011-10-28 16:43

      It is sad that the plan for 4 new jails were scrapped, we need 100 more jails. When you steal or burn you will be locked up, get used to it Luiz.

      Servaas - 2011-10-28 16:49

      @Luiz: Google military sof, that was the unit I served in. You will not even see me coming. Bring it on.

      Cheryl - 2011-10-28 16:51

      At Bernard and Dimitri...you talk of war. You two are seriously lacking in brains.I am sure the average person that was on that march had more sense than you two, they marched peacefully. Why are you so stupid. Its idiots like you that can do the country the most damage by your attitudes. You need to rise above the racsim and militancy. This is not a game about ego's. If you are real men you will use your brains before your fists. Why start or get drawn into dumb discussions about war and guns. You are much much worse than the sh1t-stirrer Malema. We need to unite against violence, poverty, crime and corruption. Soon there must be black and whites, all races marching together in the streets, but behind credibke leaders for real causes offering real solutions. Dont be a d00s and write such dumb things......if the odd person offends u , try and understand...theere are some desperate people out there. Open another Csstle and chill...

      Sandy - 2011-10-28 16:53

      Is the ANCYL lying when it says the minority owns 90% of the economy?We will keep on talking about white people until black people are given back what's theirs. You know very well that white people have benefited from apartheid & continue to benefit even today. Technically white people are still in power!!

      Servaas - 2011-10-28 16:58

      @Sandy: How does it feel to be so useless that you need to steal, rely on hand outs as well as aa/bee blablabla to get somewhere in life? You lot are pathetic and this is exactly why you will always be in a struggle and me reaping the rewards of my hard work.. But that is typical South African, just take what does not belong to you.. PATHETIC.. USELESS

      goldwright - 2011-10-28 18:12

      @Sandy, The gvt dpts are run mostly by black South Africans, so in that area you can't complain, you have it ALL there at your fingertips and which in theory COULD be profitable if gvt wasn't spending millions & millions extra on luxury vehicles, extravagant functions, expensive office furniture, unecessary wasteful tenders, - the list goes on. How many municipalities are broke because of mismanagement, power struggles & people in it for their own political agendas, not for the people they should be serving? So the whites have more of the slice of the pie in the private sector, but how are whites supposed to have faith in the gvt sector when we see what a shambles it is in? Maybe the gvt needs to get their own house in order before thinking of taking over the private sector........... I live in SA, but am visiting family in Enlgand for a month. Interesting that on a small island the fraction of a size of SA but with about the same population, that England is a cleaner and more effeciently well run country, even in London & surrounding areas, despite the riots in August. Life isn't perfect in the UK, but South Africans could do so much better if they really tried, by following basic decent values like working hard, respecting the law & having pride in their surroundings. Malema would do well to tell his followers so, instead of chanting revolution all the time, whites are not the enemy. That said, good to see a peaceful march for a change, we are not a country at war.

      lentswe.mosweunyane - 2011-10-28 18:57

      we waiting for them

      Mutsila - 2011-10-28 20:38

      push back, gary

      Herman - 2011-10-28 22:01

      Sounds like a lot more was said than news24 reported on! http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2011/10/28/malema-s-warning

      Rob - 2011-10-31 13:25

      @Luiz - You are still thinking in terms of racial prejudice. If you didn't know, blacks came here by foot. What makes one form of transport more deserving than the next? I don't deny that some whites benefited from Apartheid but what about those that had no say in decisions, ie. those that were under 18 years old by 1994? How are they benefiting today above any other free person?

      Rob - 2011-10-31 13:29

      @Luiz - I need to understand how nationalisation of the mines is going to benefit any south african, any more than it already does? Please explain to me. I have an open mind and am willing to listen however there is not one person who can give me any kind of evidence, reason or rationale on how nationalisation will help us. I have asked many, many times before.

  • Michelle - 2011-10-28 14:33

    Awww man! Comedy hour over already?

  • Jacques - 2011-10-28 14:34

    25000 ag please. i do not believe it for a second. i belive 5000-10000 max

      Jacques - 2011-10-28 14:36

      *believe

      Ettienne - 2011-10-28 16:36

      Not even 5000. Old fat boy looks nice and tired. Shame, it's probably the furthest the little fat pig has ever walked in his life!

  • nhamo.dzenyika - 2011-10-28 14:35

    Well done for proving detractors wrong

      Servaas - 2011-10-28 14:42

      Still does not change the fact that he is a criminal and a racist..

      ammpike - 2011-10-28 15:05

      Servaas or what ever your name is if Malema is a criminal why not go to the nearest police station and report him the biggest criminals is you forefathers you are a product of a criminal and you can buck as mush as u want but Malema was never declared by U.N that he commuted atrocities and murdering black people

      Servaas - 2011-10-28 15:12

      @ammpike: He is. Tender fraud.. And then all of a sudden there is no funds to investigate him?? Nice hiding behind your skin color hey?

      simondgie - 2011-10-28 15:19

      You guys keep on going on about white people murdering black people. When did this happen? Yes, apartheid was terrible, but black people were oppressed, not murdered. That's not to say that some white people didn't kill some black people, but you could probably count the number on your hands. If you do some reading, you will see that it was black on black murder during the fight for freedom. Don't forget your murderous Winnie is a killer too. And if you mean white people killing black people during the English/Zulu wars, I think you'll discover that many, many white soldiers were killed by Zulu warriors. Do some bloody reading before posting comments that suggest the apartheid government murdered black people in their thousands, etc. It's just not fact.

      Rajanell - 2011-10-28 15:34

      @Simondgie Oh u dont know about operation Marion (military operation by SADF) where 46 people were killed in boipatong? and roughly 176 people died on june 16 1976, how many fingers do u have? do u wamt more?

      Servaas - 2011-10-28 15:49

      @Raja: Oh lets not go there, what about the church street bombings by the saint Madiba, farm murders.. Blow whatever you have to say out your @ss.

      Mike - 2011-10-28 15:56

      Rajanell, more people die on our roads daily...what's your point.

      simondgie - 2011-10-28 16:05

      Operation Marion, Boipatong Massacre....black on black violence.

  • Billy - 2011-10-28 14:43

    I am anti-ANC and especially anti-ANCYL, but I salute the grit and determination of all those thousands of youth who completed the march to Pta to support their cause. We all thought you would quit and be bussed through from far short of your goal, but you made it. Well done.

  • Collen - 2011-10-28 14:43

    Banna ba Lebowa ba tsea mmusho bjale. Kgalema le Malema le shoma senna.

      shirley.dlamini - 2011-10-28 19:38

      O opile kgomo lenaka, Monna geshu!

      Judith - 2011-10-28 19:42

      Que?

  • Sunette - 2011-10-28 14:49

    Why is it always black versus white? Is Malema going to try benefit any of the Indian or coloured communities with his "demands" and redistribution plans? Somehow I don't think so. If anyone's a racist, it's him!

      Thabo - 2011-10-28 14:58

      sunnette thank you

      Lily - 2011-10-28 15:04

      Because u white people still cant swallow ur forefathers attitude-we are libarated by our living ancestors and late,so we cant just spoon feed u and keep quite when u still promoting ur forefathers attitude,u wher raised under the aparteid regim,,,,,of naming ur self as BAAS AND MADAM -NOT ANY MORE JONG BAAS

      Herman - 2011-10-28 15:30

      @ lily, seems you have a real inferiority complex. My advise, get over it, start being productive and tell this to all your ancyl buddies, then maybe they will start to deserve riches available in SA. Stop being consumers, start being something worthwile for SA.

      Ian - 2011-10-28 15:42

      @Lily. Maybe, just maybe, if you had gone to school and learned something, you could have written something sensible. Not this drivel."ur,libarated,u,wher,regim,ur self". Rather write in Sotho or whatever. You just make yourself look ignorant.

      AkalKing - 2011-10-28 16:34

      Because Indians and coloureds do not own 90% of the country!

      Judith - 2011-10-28 19:45

      @lily - apartheid ended some years back.....government changed to democracy....black majority rule....hello...is anyone there?

  • thupanamaina - 2011-10-28 14:58

    Well behaved.

  • Marc - 2011-10-28 15:07

    Luiz! What have you a right to that is not yours? and PLEASE, explain what your forefathers have created that we have taken, you are quoting only what you have heard, which shows the lack of education you have received, if you are speaking from experience, then please do tell. here is a example: imagine you start a company and it becomes very successful, and you have worked hard for it and built it up to be very profitable, does anyone have the right to come and take it away from you???? NO, so what makes these situations so different. we have built and developed future and past solutions and inforstructures that have changed the world, and have the sense of knowing how to create it better, all you wanna do is jump on the band wagon and claim with no hard work, so i ask you again what have YOU done that we have taken from you ........

      Luiz - 2011-10-28 16:16

      @marc do you think i can go to britain and own mine without buying it?the truth is opperheimers are benefiting from apartheid now,they got those mines for free.they are supposed to pay.about my education dont stress bcoz m doing my 3rd year bcom economics @ wits university,

      Vukani - 2011-10-28 16:47

      The infrastructure in this nation was build by black and brown men. White people don't do work, that's why the white man hired slaved. Look and any contruction site today and you'll find black men doing the hard work with a white guy barking orders through a bullhorn, but who gets paid the best? The white guy!

      jmonku - 2011-10-28 18:05

      I like the truth on your example that if someone creates something and later someone comes in and want to take over. That is not fair and not right. I do not though believe that it will be the case in South Africa. However, what I find being the problem is the social stigma. South African needs educate its people about democracy. We need to be able to address issues properly. Look this one for example, it is their democratic right to have a march. But what feedback are we doing...bring all sorts of insults and continue to make one person different from the other. Lot of comments on this article criticizes someone's democratic right....in turn that is what makes more noise than the problem itself. If we hinder democracy then we will be the victims of such..

      Judith - 2011-10-28 19:48

      @Luiz - thank heaven you are getting an education.....but you will still need to grow up and get wiser...you are misinformed...you believe what you want to believe and not the truth

  • H - 2011-10-28 15:11

    @Luiz: And you, with your dazzling intellect, so clearly reflected in your command of the English language, probably demand one of those government jobs. Tell you what: I'll personally sponsor your shovel, have it engraved with "This is Luiz's Means of Production" and help you down a mine shaft to go digging around for your lost wealth three kilometres under Johannesburg.

  • Eric - 2011-10-28 15:12

    Good March Peaceful but at the same time determined to get the message across. Walking some 40km. The ANC might be leading the country but the wealth is still mainly in rich white hands.Many of them foreign. Further, It is the White Americans, UK, etc that is taking the wealth out of our country. Our resources must belong to us and jobs created in those sectors for our people.

  • Truna - 2011-10-28 15:17

    @ Lilly U have closed this topic, well said it cant be better than that. I think blacks are still friendly even after all that oppression, so whites consider yourself lucky the worst could have happened if you know what i mean!

      Gerald - 2011-10-28 15:34

      Evidently you and your bruddas and sistas have not been told by your ancestors waht happened at Blood River,also were not told where to find gold and diamonds etc Since you brought up the subject DO NOT threaten ABOUT WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

      Truna - 2011-10-28 15:55

      @ Gerald Do you know MK(uMkhondo Wesizwe)'s motives and ideas???

  • hannet.breitenbach - 2011-10-28 15:17

    Didnt the black people (who was here first) not do anything with their land, hence why they sold it to the white people? Now that the whites actually developed the land, they want it back? When did buying something become the same as stealling? And why must I be classified because of my forefathers doing? They mistreated black people, not me. I grew up under the new government, where people are suppose to me equil under the government they voted for. Surely if they feel this is not happening, they should blame their government?

      Truna - 2011-10-28 15:42

      @ hannet as soon as u understand and stopping to be in-denial that black people neva sold their land it was taken from them, the better u will understand what they are fighting for. Obviously your forefathers history will not say that they were criminals because they are the ones who wrote most South African history and introduced it to the masses! Would a father tell his child that he is criminal????? Black people simply want what is theirs thats all they dont care about you whites!

  • tracy.shabangu - 2011-10-28 15:19

    well done Malena god create you for a reason go boy we need our farms.but take it professinal.

  • Polok - 2011-10-28 15:24

    Stop your whining my citizens...at least we have gay rights,freedom of spinach and beautiful women who even after you have drunk a couple of gallons of beer do not turn into donkeys in the morning like Zimbabwean women!

      Judith - 2011-10-28 19:54

      freedom of spinach...freedom of spinach....freedom of spinach....ROFL.....hahahaha! freedom of spinach - NOW THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE CONSTITUTION hooooohaaaaa

  • marylyn.kelly - 2011-10-28 15:26

    So Malema said to his supporters if asked why they are they marching they must answer because they want to have what white people have. I'm white I want just half of what Malema has go figure.

      richard.hipkin - 2011-10-28 15:41

      Yup, I too want what he has...Besides, they've stolen everything I have anyway. There is that old joke that one day when the white man gets chased into the townships it will be ok because all our stuff wil be there already.

  • Jacques - 2011-10-28 15:26

    2500-5000 max! H20 had more ravers!!!

  • Shayne - 2011-10-28 15:34

    i think the actions and behavior of the marchers should be congratulated. SA needs to show we can disagree without resorting to violence or intimidation. Maturing democracy.

  • Polok - 2011-10-28 15:35

    @marylyn...are you sure you would want half of what Malema has?The uncanny ability to spit venom,the abiltity to choose foolish words,the bulge of a pregnant woman?..oh soory you must therefore be refering to his expensive shacks,and cars...

  • Marlyn - 2011-10-28 15:35

    cool,,they all f...d off now to there shack and juju to is mansion

  • terence.mthembu - 2011-10-28 15:38

    Lets stop this black vs white thing. Take the evil out of the people they will be acting right. But on a serious note, the economy is still skewed in favor of the whites. But the big question is how do we share it equally without anyone getting hurt. I dont like the current system of of economic benefits and I dont like nationalization either. All what i want is fairness and equality and no black and white just equality in South Africa.

      Ubabamkhulu - 2011-10-28 15:42

      amagama ahlakaniphileyo - "Wise words"

  • Ubabamkhulu - 2011-10-28 15:39

    Young people, you make me feel ashamed. You argue with no argument. You fight only a war that is in you! Let your wind subside. Let your heart sleep. The mountains hear you. The forefathers cry! It was not their dream for you. Stand up. See your image in the water. Let your children never say, “What did you do to change our situation?” Black people are not bad, we are just not like the white man! We live off the land, we drink from nature. The white man came with technology. We came from the ancestors! Let’s embrace our future! See the wrong! See the greed! See the unfairness! See the hate! It is in all of us, black and white. YOU, do not be like that! Do not support it! Do not fuel it! Turn your back on it! START WORKING TODAY!

  • terence.mthembu - 2011-10-28 15:40

    Lets stop this black vs white thing. Take the evil out of the people they will be acting right. But on a serious note, the economy is still skewed in favor of the whites. But the big question is how do we share it equally without anyone getting hurt. I dont like the current system of of economic benefits and I dont like nationalization either. All what i want is fairness and equality and no black and white just equality in South Africa.

  • Jacques - 2011-10-28 15:42

    @LUIZ _ Bit of history for you but a intellectual powerhouse should know it?--Only when Dingane's brother, Mpande, openly joined the Trekker side with his sizeable army, was Dingane finally defeated in January 1840.Afterwards Pretorius approved and attended the crowning of Zulu king Mpande in Pietermaritzburg. They AGREED on the Tugela river as the border between Zululand and the Republic of Natalia. SEE WE DID NOT TAKE WE AGREED!

      Cheryl - 2011-10-28 17:31

      at jaques. boers tricked zulus into signing , in most cases. once they signed, the boers broke their promises and took an whole arm instead of just the hand. ie the boers betrayed the bit of trust the zulu leaders had in them the british also did this to the zulus. BUt we can also say that the bantu/zulus were the biggest imperialists in southern africa when they migrated over time from the north .......and colonised southern africa violently through ethnic cleansing in this land of the non-bantu (khoisan ) peoples...(khoisan were widespread even all over the western cape for thousands of years, )..BUT , now it is 2011, we ae all africans if born in africa , so lets get on with it and work together...PEACEFUL MARCHES ARE ALL PART OF DEMOCRACY..if we stop racist comments then FATBOY will look even more stupid....

  • customdesign - 2011-10-28 15:44

    The capital is in the whites hands because BEE forced whites who used to have jobs to start our own businesses. Add to that the way the majority of South Africans mismanage their finances and you will have a good idea why people are struggling. The problem is not to take away people's hard earned property, but rather to spend wisely and make sound financial choices. I bet if we look at the percentage of jobs people have it will paint a very different picture. South Africans just need to move away from a culture of debt- that will even things out much more evenly.

  • Luiz - 2011-10-28 15:50

    @servaars im unshaken with your threats,if they dnt nationalize mines we will mobilse like we did yesterday,wat im asking myself is that will u face we the young lions?

      Ubabamkhulu - 2011-10-28 16:02

      Ibhubesi, not like that! You do not know what you ask! (Zimbabwe, Libya, Somalia) Your children, Luiz, your children. Think of them! I am now going to log out. Enjoy your weekend. My all prosper!

      Mike - 2011-10-28 17:12

      Luiz you have the presence of a hamster

      Pieter - 2011-10-28 17:33

      hey luiz.read the topic!!!! whats it with lions??? are u talking RUGBY????

      Judith - 2011-10-28 20:00

      @luiz - you could not even mobilize a baked potato

      tyron.fawcett - 2011-10-29 10:04

      The only time the lions will win is today in the final and Luiz stop with this white black black white bull S#!! its getting old.

  • kgaogelodp - 2011-10-28 15:51

    Well done on the good behaviour!

  • Nick - 2011-10-28 16:02

    Typical Malema, doing a half-arsed job of a march that he and the youth league organised! He didn't even walk half of the way!

  • Thabo - 2011-10-28 16:20

    why are we having conversations about blacks killing whites and whites killing blacks...that part of our history is done and dusted...why do we need to go there...just becoz malema is hating on white people doesnt mean we should also...come on now malema needs an enemy......theres so many rich people in south africa...the guptas.....the mendez...the shalhoubs and patrice motsepe...cmon now...malema just wants whats not his and what i think is that indians and coloureds are the middle men...watching and laughing at malema while he hates....its not only black people who suffer..go to capetown..mitchells plain and see what is happening there...western cape is the poorest in south africa and yet black people want to claim claim claim!!!!!!! its not of use to want whats not yours......sending 10.000 students to the best universities doesnt help in no way what about the rest of the 2 million from that 10.000.......malema is stupid he gave mbazimba shilowas son a fund for his studies just becoz it was mbazimba shilowas son.....what about me that 300th person in the rally? the one who is intellectually intelligent????...south africa works like this.......if you know some one in the industry you get a job......if you dont youre scrwed..........and is to blame for doing that kind of thing.......send those 10.000 to the best universities and when they come back the economy will be unsaturated and we will still be complaining...complaining doesnt get you anywhere

  • Felix - 2011-10-28 16:23

    Alot of trolls back from the march.

  • Faan - 2011-10-28 16:34

    Gents, Dont even start with war talks - if you have been there you should know that nobody realy wins a war. All that war does is to F up countries - and who suffers - the wives and children. We understand that there are to many jobless people in this country - Black and White. The rulling party and private sector should put all there efforts in rectifying the situation. Taking farms away from farmers who are the biggest employers in our country will definately not help the poorest of the poor. By the way looking at Melema walking for a few km - I think you should throw that berret away - it does not fit your body tipe ( rvd mannetjie )(ronde vet dingetjie)

  • jippyjajy - 2011-10-28 17:02

    Maybe there should be global measures set in place to reduce population growth globally, thus economic growth can actually overtake population growth and will there be ample jobs for everybody.

      Lara - 2011-10-28 19:49

      Helena, jammer om te sê, maar jy sit met twee jong kinders op jou avatar. Jy het dus self bygedra tot die bevolking. Al kan jy vir hulle sorg, gebruik hulle water, produseer gemors, soos ons almal, en eet. Mense moet totaal ophou voortplant vir 'n paar dekades. En nou gaan ek gekruisig word.

  • Mike - 2011-10-28 17:04

    The fat little maaifoedie doesnt even know how to wear a beret! He pulls it down over his fat round head hahahahahaha!!!!! What a fool trying to look like a soldier but looking like a turd instead!

  • Smell - 2011-10-28 17:24

    Handouts are like rain - it just disappears after a while. Prosperity cannot be gifted. Opoortunity can be gifted, but it has to be taken. There are oppportunities for education and family planning - is the ANC government ensuring that the impoverished masses realize that those two opportunities are the essential keys to getting ahead? Easy to excite the masses with the promise of handout riches - but again, there is not that much to hand out. And handouts have the staying power of rain...

  • Terry - 2011-10-28 17:41

    Come on ANCYL promote the FACT that we are in a recession. Everyone is battling to make ends meet. There are hundreds of thousands of people out there that do not have work. People of all colours and creeds etc.We talk about people with big houses, farms blah blah, but they are also battling. So you want to grab land ( revolution ), people will fight back, this is not that chaotic little country to the north of us. C'mon Malema, face it, this is all just for YOU, is it not.

  • Josh - 2011-10-28 17:55

    Oops... Pie in the faces of you all who though there was going to be Violence...and called people names ..like barbarians, etc..i need not say more ...Thank God the march went well, a point was made, now we need to start working hard in realising a bebtter future for our kids. Becuase i can tell you this it was peaceful one this time...If the NYDA/DTI/GOV and the Banks dont get their act together...the POOR will realise parity Via violence ...because they in truth have nothing to loose.

      Donny Doncaster - 2011-10-28 23:08

      God was not there.

      goldwright - 2011-10-29 17:13

      Admittely I wondered just how peaceful it might have been, although I did not call anyone a barbarian or any other name, but according to the Sowetan, Malema warned big business "there will be war" if they do not give in to the ANCYL demands, so ultimately, there may not be peace, if Malema has his way.

  • Costa - 2011-10-28 17:56

    the cap doesn't even fit on his fat head anymore!!!! dumb arse

  • Marah - 2011-10-28 19:31

    Servaas, Luiz, including Malema and my Young Lions, and all of you Foreigners out there ..Damn You. Have you ever stopped to think about who the REAL SOUTH AFRICANS Are?.? I AM...KHOISAN...100% SOUTH AFRCAN. There's Many of US. We are watching with amusement while all you Foreigners throw insults at each other and keep on Claiming my land given to me and placed on it by OUR FATHER ,WHO ART IN HEAVEN. I will not stoop down and debate with NEANDERTHALS. You are in my Country and you can't even speak my Language. " BAXABENE O XAM , BEXABANA NGE NGXOXO... BEXAKWA...YI ..NGXUBAXAKA....( Analyse that ). And I'm not English ...Gqhaaa,,,Gqimmm

      Pieter - 2011-10-28 20:23

      YOUR country! ok then buy me a ticket to australia because i dont have the money to go and ill be out of YOUR stupid country asap.this is soooooooo stupid.I didnt ask to be here.I was born here so was my father and his father.I struggle to make a living,if that not enough one has to struggle to survive between cruel murderers who always have an excuse(apartheid bla bla bla) for there unhuman behaviour.I might add that I never even voted in my whole life!!!!I was not part of apartheid and most certainly not of this post 94 circus!!!I am also NOT rich.my own people throws me away because im not rich,my wife left me cause i dont have status and money!!!just because im WHITE I dont have a place here??? what is wrong with u people??? Like I said buy me a ticket and Ill be out of this pathetic mess!

  • Debbie - 2011-10-28 20:01

    Others read: "Ninety-percent of the economy is still in the hands of the minority" and "Malema we must stand by you through thick and thin". It is not the wealth that lies in the hands of the minority...it is the ANC government that are using the country's resources in the most shocking way! It is about corruption and the officials who use the tax-payers money as a stepping stone to increase their own wealth. The tax-payers of SA monies should be sufficient to give proper grants, medical care, education etc to all of SA...but, for the renovations of state homes, unnecessary hiring of jet flights for government officials and abuse of funds in general creates all this dissatisfaction. ANC must get their house in order!!

  • Heather - 2011-10-28 20:07

    There was a march??? Damn. We didn't know. I thought Ju Ju just needed a ride.

  • Marah - 2011-10-28 20:10

    Servaas, Luiz, including Malema and my Young Lions, and all of you Foreigners out there ..Damn You. Have you ever stopped to think about who the REAL SOUTH AFRICANS Are?.? I AM...KHOISAN...100% SOUTH AFRCAN. There's Many of US. We are watching with amusement while all you Foreigners throw insults at each other and keep on Claiming my land given to me and placed on it by OUR FATHER ,WHO ART IN HEAVEN. I will not stoop down and debate with NEANDERTHALS. You are in my Country and you can't even speak my Language. " BAXABENE O XAM , BEXABANA NGE NGXOXO... BEXAKWA...YI ..NGXUBAXAKA....( Analyse that ). And I'm not English ...Gqhaaa,,,Gqimmm

  • Heather - 2011-10-28 20:16

    Excuse me you demented half wits. Please read how many likes and dislikes are on news24. THEN you will know how the future is because all of Juli stinkies aarses supporters are the minority.

  • arthur.grace - 2011-10-28 20:50

    Nice try... I wish they had a better portfolio. Things won't change gents. You cannot take my stocks

  • Heather - 2011-10-28 20:50

    Luiz. You are making a fool of yourself. Please do not embarrass yourself more than you have already with your total lack of knowledge.

  • John - 2011-10-28 20:59

    Mr Malema, Blacks have been poor and oppressed for the last 10 000 YEARS! What are you doing for the poor, yourself? Not other people's money. Show us your vegetable patch in your tribal piece of ground? Show us your food crop in your tribal piece of ground? Bunch of "benefit thieves" !

  • Heather - 2011-10-28 21:13

    May I suggest that all you poor poor people with your 17 year old chips on your shoulders which by now must be veeery heavy get over your sorry for me attitudes and start proving that you CAN actually run a country. After all it was given to you on a gold plate. So far all you have managed to do is FFF it up big time.

  • Zebelon - 2011-10-28 21:58

    Something is just not right. The NEC ofthe ANC is the highest organ of the ruling party, an organ that directs policy in all areas.Malema is part of that organ. Protocol demands that he calls for policy direction, and thus provision of employment, nationalisation of mines and land etc. through the NEC. After all the NEC is the politburo that directs our parliament. How does the NEC oppose the NEC? Weird indeed!

  • Shaun Walker - 2011-10-28 22:24

    What malema and a few people here appear to forget in all their "give us back what we had before" is that all the cars, watches, clothes, technology and pretty much everything else including the concept of money is all from the western world. So by all means give back all that and go back to tribal huts and trading in cattle. Malema should move out of sandton and share his own money cause God knows he hasn't worked for any of it...

  • Adriana - 2011-10-29 00:01

    The problem in this country is not white people, 3-4 million whites pay 67% of all the taxes that provide social support (pensions/child support) for more than 12 million blacks. Half the population in this country is under the age of 25, 90% black, pointing to an uncontrolled population explotion. Many of these unfortunate children are born to single school going mothers, who often have to leave school. Several of these young girls have several children from different fathers by the time they are 25, children whom they dump on their mothers and grandmothers to bring up on small salaries or goverment pensions, they keep the child support grants to buy clothes for themselves. 8.1 million of these children are already in schoolfee-free schools, where they receive less than optimum education, others are from AIDS affected households, and cannot go to school at all. In 1992 HIV/AIDS stood at 2,7%(homosexual men), currently it stands at 34+% (heterosexually)of the adult population. The ANC has ruled this country for 17+years, and apartheid ended with the release of President Mandela, who must be very sad at the outcome of his dream of a economically succesful and racially harmonious SA. Sadly BEE produced a few rich cadres, and 26% more poor black people in SA. You cannot fly a supersonic jet with a taxidriver.

  • John - 2011-10-29 00:49

    I also want a change to the constitution. I want the recognition that there are people who do not have brains, and according to a study done in 1999, published after the elections, they number over 1,5 million. Their parents had more children than they could afford, responded to the call by the ANC to have lots of children, and could not feed their children properly. They have an incomplete brain. They must be identified and not have a vote, being mental retarded. Besides these people with a physical permanent disability condition there are those with BRAINWASHED heads like Malema. He ignores the collapse of communism across Europe, particularly the crumbling of the USSR, across Asia, particularly China, and other countries around the World. Malema pushes on for the Stalin based national democratic revolution, despite the 100 Million political assassinations in the USSR. 300 Million babies killed by Abortion. Another 300 Million killed by Ignorance, Incompetence, Negligence, Bribery, and Corruption. Instead of siding with the POOR RUSSIAN PEOPLE, Malema sides with the oppresser, exploiter and Genocider Stalin. Even his daughter run away! I present this as proof that Malema must be declared to be brainwashed, senile!

      Thabo - 2011-10-29 15:43

      true john true......fact of the matter is that he is a dimwitted richman and doesnt care what he says will wether affect the country or not