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ANCYL undermining ANC, says Mantashe

2011-08-03 15:26

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League undermined the leadership of the ANC by its comments on helping bring about regime change in Botswana, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe said on Wednesday.

"Unfortunately, when it comes to the ANCYL we have had many incidents that show the desire to undermine the ANC leadership under the pretext [of] not understanding the relationship between the two [ANC and ANCYL]," Mantashe said in a statement.

The row between the league and its mother body continued, with Mantashe calling it "defiant" for responding to its first rebuke over Botswana by seeking to "isolate" ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu.

Mantashe said the ANC had informed ANCYL secretary general Sindiso Magaqa that the party would be releasing a statement about the matter before it did so. The ANC would meet the league's leadership on Monday and discuss why the ANCYL opted to then respond to the ANC in public.

The ANC would also decide how to respond to the league's actions, as they constituted a "serious transgression".

He said this "desire" to undermine ANC leaders was publicly displayed by the ANCYL this week when it announced it wanted to help Botswana opposition parties topple that country's government.

"Rule 7.4 of our [ANCYL] constitution is clear that 'the youth league will function as an autonomous body within the overall structure of the ANC, of which it will be integral part, with its own constitution, rules and regulations, provided that these shall not be in conflict with the constitution and policies of the ANC'," Mantashe said.

Managing international relations and implementing conference resolutions was a responsibility of the ANC's decision making body, the national executive committee.

"The relations with our neighbours are clearly stated in the Freedom Charter, Clause 10; There shall be Peace and Stability.

"South Africa shall be a fully independent state which respects the rights and sovereignty of all nations. South Africa shall strive to maintain world peace and the settlement of all international disputes by negotiations, not war.

"The people of the protectorates Basutoland [now Lesotho], Bechuanaland [now Botswana] and Swaziland shall be free to decide for themselves their own future. The right of all peoples of Africa to independence and self-government shall be recognised, and shall be the basis of close co-operation," he said.

Comments
  • jochem - 2011-08-03 15:31

    Don't complain now, Gwede, you senior guys have waited far too long to shut this little man up! Now that he thinks he's untouchable you're going to have your hands full. But don't expect any sympathy...

      Man.Dumisani - 2011-08-03 15:34

      Ja bra, the ANC 'leaders' have allowed the Malema Monster to grow too big, now they have a big problem. Eish

      Aish - 2011-08-03 15:34

      So true!!! Was he not the one that gave the ANCYL the go ahead to think out the box?

      SamuelMabena - 2011-08-03 15:35

      Malema and the racist Youth League need to be closed, forever. They are disgrace in the face of Madiba. They spit on all his life's work.

      Green Oaks - 2011-08-03 15:36

      ANCYL undermining ANC, says Mantashe. So get off your a$$ and DO something about it Mantashe

      Grant - 2011-08-03 15:38

      I don't think the monster was so much 'allowed to grow' as was 'created' primarily by zuma to meet his own ends at the time. Now reap what you sowed!

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-08-03 15:42

      Now suddenly the ANC has balls !...The latest utterances regarding Botswana is criminal!.......Guess what, expect sweet bogerol to happen.

      Man.Dumisani - 2011-08-03 15:43

      Yes they did give rise to Malema, but they should have stopped him and his racist youth a lot sooner. Now they have a lot to clean up and fix.

      Mad Hatter - 2011-08-03 15:44

      JM suspended sentence for bringing the party into disrepute is all i'm saying ,lets see if they backup their bark. Woof

      Douglas - 2011-08-03 15:48

      "South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others." London Times

      mthobelazn - 2011-08-03 15:49

      ow plz what wrong has malema said or done despite the allegations against him He is fighting 4 our economic freedom. that all.

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-03 15:52

      I get the suprise from everybody about the sudden awakening of the ANC executive against the YL. What I don't get is what is it that they fear so much from Botswana. Did it have to take an offence on a foreign country, after dividing SA for so long for the people's party to actually say something about the ANCYL? http://www.facebook.com/pages/Moeletsi-The-President/205134709529957

      Together - 2011-08-03 15:54

      Exactly. Unless there is very firm and lasting action, these words are just another buy-for-time nothing - we all know how it works. How dare the new ANC allow it's inter-necine nonsense to jeopardise the lives and peace of 50 million people? Who puts policy in the hands of a youth league? Youth are supposed to be led, educated and given a sure and strong example. Not here - people with zero experience of anything are being allowed to shape the future of their elders. The worst part is: the youth think it's funny - they have no idea that it's actually abusive. Not stepping up to straighten out youth who have lost the plot is total neglect.

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-03 15:54

      Here comes trouble

      Rob Gunning - 2011-08-03 15:54

      @mthobelazn - Get off your ass and economically free yourself. Study every day after work and become more educated. Don't have 4000 children. Stop buying so much crap on credit. There you go.... I just gave you more advice on how to actually economically emansipate yourself in 3 seconds than JuJu has in the last 3 years.

      JHF - 2011-08-03 15:58

      Atleast here is a start point. Clean the whole ANCYL or change their name as they only present themselves and NOT the poor. Landgrabs and statemines have never gave any poor person a better life. Only the beneficaries (in this case Malema and his cronies) will benefit to the disadvantage of the poor. THE POOR WILL BECOME POORER. Visit DRC, Angola, Rwanda, Kongo, Zimbabwe ect. Go have a look for yourself.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-08-03 15:59

      @Samuel. Yeah the ANCYL must hate Madiba and the constitution he co-created. They must hate the great Mandela for trying to unite South Africa by reaching out to the white communities. Anyone who supports the ANCYL is directly undermining the good Mandela brought to our democracy; without the youth league the ANC would not feel the pressure to utter quasi/semi racist statements, and we can return to better times like under Mandela. Disband the ANCYL I say - yes they have history but the current lot are a disgrace to the heroes that preceded them and in that sense there will be no sentimental loss by closing it. Then appoint a new youth league with an executive committee consisting of two people from each of the 11 language speaking communities. This will create breadth; at the top of the league. The 22 committee members can then vote for a leader.

      Agent Bastad - 2011-08-03 16:09

      I don’t even know what to say. Someone from the ANC rebuking Malema is really a case of the pot calling the kettle black(or pedi. whatever). Seeing as there’s no one without sin in the ANC, there is no one to cast a stone at Malema. In fact, those who are relatively spotless are first to be cast out.

      Pixie1984 - 2011-08-03 16:09

      @mthobelazn - economic freedom? To quote Plen - "the focus of "the struggle" had no real democratic aspirations which would include concepts such as minority rights. "The struggle" was focused on majority rule. The term 'democracy' was only used for its political acceptance. In the eyes of the black revolutionaries, Apartheid South Africa was placed into the same category as the colonized states, it had to be overcome and power had to go to a black ruling class. In fact, the governance aspirations by the ANC (and other leading black movements) were inspired the Communist Cubans. For the Cubans Communism was and ideal and a response to the "western system" that supported dictators, colonizers, bad capitalists and apartheid. But Communism offered something more, through the guise of nationalization (and redistribution of wealth) it offered un-challenged power to a ruling class. The impacts of Communism should not be under estimated, in the mid 1970's their were more people on earth living under communist rule and dictatorships than there were people living under free democracy. Communism has never been installed by the people actively voting to entrench the system of communism. No country has actually voted to ban opposition parties and install a single party governance structure with supreme unchallengeable power.Communism or totalitarianism has always been installed by force. This in my mind has actually been the real aim of "the struggle".

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 16:12

      Fight! Fight! Fight!

      willieman - 2011-08-03 16:18

      Gwede,let me remind you men and women in anc have spent the rest of their lives in struggle,noe today they have turned their back to away from the path.You have degenerated into a bunch of cowards.You have allowed ancyl to behave as if they run the country.You are cowards you always check where is your bread buttered.I also like to tell you that at heart of are problems in the anc is Zuma is not a leader he is just concern about the second term.

      McDaNife - 2011-08-03 16:24

      You guys should have spoken out a long time ago when this malema and his croonies started shouting out their mouths.

      KickAssKenny - 2011-08-03 16:25

      Malema has called for a regime change in Botswana. Now he plans to go there and discuss the options with the opposition parties. What is stopping the Botswana government from arresting him at the border and charging him with attempting a coup? He can't say that he did not say that. He can't say that he is in Botswana for a holiday. He made his intentions clear. I say let him go to Botswana, and let him get arrested. Remember the prisoners who were jailed in Zim for allegedly plot a coup in Equatorial Guinea?

      amdisgusted - 2011-08-03 16:25

      @mantashe - you allow 'robbing fat hood' to disrespect the media and citizens of this country and do nothing about it. Now a 1st world country, excellently run and ACTUALLY HAVE LAW AND ORDER - you have a 'brainless fat rat' (that ancorrupted groomed to promote their nationalisation agenda - COWARDS) trying to mess with what's excellent and suddenly this has to now be played out in the media. Oh boo hoo, he is misbehaving, slap him on the wrist and say 'don't do that'. You ancorrupted are the worst thing that can happen to any country, because you do not care about the citizens only their TAX MONEY that you STEAL! In the 21st Century you are building outside toilets for YOUR VOTERS, make them WALK KMs FOR WATER, tell them to have 'babies for the revolution' which are actually being dumped in bins ('fat boy' there goes your revolution in the dustbin), no youth development - 'robbing hood and henchmen' messed up Umsobomvu - which was working excellently, now nothing. So, all 'fat boy' has to show for his term in office is the 'Rat and Gang Trust'!!!

      int1m1d4t0r - 2011-08-03 16:26

      @ MandlaSithole SA should fear Botswana... They have an army who can actually fight... and Britain and US would come to their aid with military aid...

      biskit - 2011-08-03 16:38

      ANCYL - Undermining the entire RSA

      Herdsman - 2011-08-03 16:43

      ...let the games begin, I've decided to skip the World Cup this year and focus on this, going to get very interesting indeed !

      Goose - 2011-08-03 16:51

      A lot of people are critical of the ANC when ever anyone from the ANC rebukes the ANCYL. There is no doubt that the ANC has failed to take a strong enough stance against the ANCYL. And obviously simply speaking out against the ANCYL with out actually taking appropriate action is not going to amount to much. But I believe we should give credit where it is due. That the ANC is at least speaking out against the behavior of the YL is a positive sign and an indication that the ANC is maturing as a political party. I'm not sure the ANC has advanced to a level where I would be willing to vote for them yet, but they do seem to be moving in the right direction in many ways. I for one definitely do appreciate Mr Mantashe's position against the ANCYL in this regard, and I believe that when leaders in the ANC do take positions of wisdom and maturity, it is in all of our best interests to support them, at least in sentiment if nothing else.

      Mart - 2011-08-03 17:03

      Here's a conspiracy theory for you....This is all a setup! Julius is set to disappear, the ANC bigwigs will create the impression that they have tamed a monster (ANCYL), and they will then be deemed the heroes. Many, many cadres will be sacrificed to create the new face of the ANC that emerges, a phoenix if you will!

      Ozymandios - 2011-08-03 18:48

      @int1m1d4t0r. Yes Botswana has a good army much better than the present Defence Force under The Princess; and maybe the UK & US will come and help them, but they may not have need of them as I am sure a lot of white South Africans will be lining up to join that army too if given half the chance to have a go at the ANC and its kindergarten.

      Neutkraker - 2011-08-03 19:09

      Yes, they're only reaping the fruits of their own stupidity.

      Neutkraker - 2011-08-03 19:15

      The solution is very simple. The ANC should encourage Malema to go to Botswana himself on his revolutionary cause and take the whole leadership along with him. He is stupid enough and is on such a megalomania trip, he's liable to do it. Leave the rest to the Botswana government......

      AA - 2011-08-03 20:40

      This whole thing is becoming like a soap opera to be honest as we wait for the next episode. The ANCYL is ignoring the parent body and quite honestly is turning the top echelons into a bit of laughing stock. What an embarrassment this has become to the rest of world, particularly in Africa, where they cannot control these little boys. Where do you see this sort of thing happening, anywhere in the world? How can any of South Africa’s leaders hope to earn the respect of their peers or their citizens when they continue to allow themselves to be bullied like this? The ANC leaders, including Gwede, have no backbone. They cannot tackle their own members for corruption and incompetence and they cannot control the youth league. For a party that has over a sixty percent majority they are a pretty weak bunch. I doubt if anything of substance will come out of this, but one can only hope. Regardless of what people say about the ANCYL, the have learnt how to be the tail wagging the dog.

      chappy - 2011-08-03 21:19

      @mthobelazn - I find it ironic that you quote Dr Martin Luther King and in the same breath support a tyrant like Malema, that does nothing but create divisive tension and hatred in our country. Perhaps you should actually do some research and learn what Dr King stood for and preached before using his words to decorate your Facebook page.

      StBad - 2011-08-05 09:54

      Well then, expel 'Melanoma' and let him start his own political party... that would be good for all of us (divide the ruling party and strengthen the opposition!)

      czovczov - 2011-08-05 13:56

      Let us not forget that failed attempts at Nationalisation is the very reason why 30% of the Zimbabwean population is now living in South Africa. There are other better ways to empower the impoverished black majority without sacrificing the economy as a whole. The very founding fathers of Nationalisation, Cuba, China and Russia abandoned it a long time ago, and for a good reason too. Obviously ignorance is the only reason why Malema is advocating for it regardless. What the ANC needs to do is send this young man back to school so he can study HISTORY, ECONOMICS & GEOGRAPHY before they can allow him to participate in formulation of policies. Capitalism is the way to go. The question is, what can the government do to help blacks join the capitalism bandwagon so that they can also share and enjoy the benefits of Capitalism.

  • Stuartthom - 2011-08-03 15:32

    they have not been protectorates for 50 years catch a wake up mantashe

      johnnoh - 2011-08-03 15:40

      He was quoting from the Freedom Charter. Note the inverted commas

      MagdaKus - 2011-08-03 15:42

      I believe he's quoting The Freedom Charter which was written a while ago.

      Jo - 2011-08-03 15:44

      seriously? THIS is the hair you'd like to split, Stuartthorn?

      Freddie - 2011-08-03 15:53

      Just shows how outdated and irrelevant the Freedom Charter is.

  • Man.Dumisani - 2011-08-03 15:33

    Please ANC NEC, shut down the ANCYL !!! They are a shame to our struggle against racism. They are bringing racism back and stamping on Mandela's vision for South Africa. PLEASE SHUT DOWN THE SHAMEFUL YOUTH LEAGUE !!!

      SamuelMabena - 2011-08-03 15:36

      YES PLEASE ANC NEC. Show you balls and close the Youth League down. They will be the death of the ANC.

      Shadoz - 2011-08-03 15:41

      They have already cast a shadow of racial hatered over South Africa and the fact that the ANC are so quiet says a lot

      LBS - 2011-08-03 15:44

      More and more black people must come to the party and voice their disgust with Malemma - in no time he will then be history! Thank you!!!

      Christelle - 2011-08-03 15:52

      Unfortunately I have to refer to race here - but when I see how many African (black) people are sick and tired of Malema and his demi-god position he has taken - I am very hopeful for the future of our country. But can only ask the question, why not show your disdain in a more public manner - please remember that the ANC whom many are voting for, allowed this crazed man to run free. Become mature in your democracy and don't vote for the ANC - you are only giving them the mandate to allow the likes of Malema to speak for our country.

      Coach18 - 2011-08-03 16:28

      Thank you this is the attitude we all need to adapt in SA we are a great nation of various cultures! If we fight hard against these negative people with Christ our Lord we can expel racisim for good everyone that believes in a working south africa can make the difference!!

      PB - 2011-08-03 16:41

      I might be totally wrong, but this whole circus makes me wonder if the Big Boys (Tokyo etc.) who are always joining the Fat Fart on stage are not using him to mobilise a split between the ANC and ANCYL so they can start their own party with the support of the Fat Fart's brainless fan club. Stranger things have happened.....

      Uthando - 2011-08-03 16:53

      Christelle As a young black SAcan, I can assure you that many of our sisters & brothers can see right through Malema. The problem (with some sitting on the fence or too scared to vote for the opposition) is that they believe when they vote for the ANC, they dont vote for an individual, but for a party as a whole (which does consist of a handful of good members) and THOSE are the members they 'think' will rescue them. Julius has accomplished exactly what he set out to accomplish; and that's to divide, not unite.

      Boerseun - 2011-08-03 16:58

      Agreed..

      Muna - 2011-08-03 17:39

      Stop stressing people they will destroy each other, sit back and enjoy the ride.

      Greybeard - 2011-08-03 17:54

      This is horribly reminiscent of under disciplined teenagers that become parents. When the resultant children become teenagers, with even less discipline than their parents, a crisis is at hand. Eventually Pa has had enough and decides to hand out a long overdue hiding. Unfortunately junior is the same size as Pa....Next thing, Pa is nursing a black eye or worse, and the Kids have taken the car, rent money, all the booze and gone for a three week JOL. Now what?

      Christelle - 2011-08-03 18:15

      Uthando, I sit with a feeling of happiness and sadness when reading your response. Yes, there are some people in the ANC with incredibly noble ideas for our country, and they do not want this division which is spreading like cancer. We are all scared of change, but fortune favours the brave my friend. We do not want SA to turn into another poor African country - we are prosperous and we can stay like that. I can only pray that God opens the eyes of his children. Talking about God, thank you God for not keeping our sins against us like Malema does!!!

      Thandi - 2011-08-04 07:18

      The ANCYL are undermining everything that is positive about SA with their sub-human leader and his moronic behaviour. Why is it that he associates himself with everything that is negative, instead of trying to promote some decent values and ethics within the youth. F****ng idiot.

      capetonian - 2011-08-04 07:40

      Hey, guys! You have to understand what Malema and his cronies are about. They are simply cynical political opportunists! They are telling their mostly poorly informed, unemployed and semi-literate supporters what they want to hear. And it's all negative for the country. Nationalisation of mines and banks - land grabs etc. We know this - so does the ANC, but the ANCYL have their own agenda and we can see from Malema's lifestyle what that agenda is about! He hasn't done a day's work in his life other then work on his persona. I believe that the ANC will have to find a way to remove him from the front pages of the media and just maybe, SARS and the Hawks will do that for them!

  • tommy 2 - 2011-08-03 15:34

    Oh, GWEDE DID THE A.N.C ONLY FIGURE THIS OUT NOW........ Maybe the A.N.C should look at who is backing JUJU.......

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-03 15:59

      And the games begin.... I can't help but feel there is more at play here than just parents upset over their son's insolences. Can't wait to find out!! Popcorn ready!! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Moeletsi-The-President/205134709529957

      Muna - 2011-08-03 17:43

      My theory on who is behind Malema: Malema who pretends to hate capitalism and wants to nationalise everything, is in fact sponsored by the CIA (US government) to drive SA to bankruptcy and anarchy so that they can just move in and pretend to help the country, but in return they will take full control of our mineral wealth.

      squeegeepilot - 2011-08-03 19:07

      Muna, hahahahahaha. Our gold reserves will only last 10 years. Let Juliass nationalize the mines - then the government will be resposible for the acid water problem. You overestimate our mineral wealth.

  • camp.j - 2011-08-03 15:34

    Hier kom n ding en dis nie modder nie :)

      SamuelMabena - 2011-08-03 15:38

      Hie kom kak, jy kan dit se bra

      BokomoWeetbi - 2011-08-03 15:42

      It's about time they step up to the plate! Be the ANC we know and not the one that fell off the wagon!!

      R013 - 2011-08-03 17:17

      Any other political party would have fired Malema for his comments.

      umhlopo - 2011-08-03 23:08

      ja daars n drol in die drinkwater

  • Pupuzela - 2011-08-03 15:34

    "The right of all peoples of Africa to independence and self-government shall be recognised, and shall be the basis of close co-operation," : This is exactly what Apartheid tried to achieve...

      Jo - 2011-08-03 15:46

      Pupuzela, there was also gravity and H2O in the world during apartheid. Apartheid ended (we were happy to see it go), but that didn't mean that gravity, water or the right of sovereign states to exist vanished also.

      Fanie - 2011-08-03 16:05

      Big thing people naturally segregate in to social groupings, sometimes based on culture, sometimes according to politics, sometimes according to social stature, and no one such grouping should be allowed to lord over the others - the apartheid problem - this enforced segregation according to to race with the one race acting supreme - Me Being a Socially conservative Afrikaner regard this as the ultimate LOW point in my cultural groupings history very BAD idea, since people in the long run sort them self into groups. Which in the higher income brackets tend to be more mixed racially - and these guys get quite peeved if you tell Umfaan from Sandton that he is not allowed to have beer with Oom Faan from Waterkloof. Bottom line: segregation is a fact of life just don't try to enforce it politically.

      Fanie - 2011-08-03 16:14

      BTW I am not ashamed of my Afrikaner heritage, but I am massively disgusted in the judgement call that was made by the politicians - brainfart of enormous proportions to think that such a policy would be sustainable in the long run.And I am saddened by the losses so many people suffered due to this. Just as the Zulus might feel Ashamed of what Shaka/Dingaan might have done - But they remain proud Zulus, so do I feel about the damage done by the Apartheid politicians but I remain a Proud Afrikaner

      Boerseun - 2011-08-03 16:59

      I do not really see anything wrong in your statement, although many will crusify you for the truth.

      Pupuzela - 2011-08-03 17:17

      Ja-nee Boerseun, inderdaad. Dankie in elk geval.

      Pupuzela - 2011-08-03 21:00

      Fanie, I was just stating a fact. Initially there were no sinister intentions behind the policy of separate development and self-governance (which was also known as Apartheid, as I’m sure you know). It was a way to preserve a certain way of life, western norms, standards and the order of a civilized society in a tumultuous continent. The declaration of the armed struggle by the ANC in the ’60 changed the above approach, and for self-preservation reasons, it all went pear-shaped. Throw in the cold war fears of a possible communist take over, and you will see why the initial idea got diluted. The attack on the system of Apartheid (or so-called struggle) always, in reality, had the fight for absolute political power, and the spoils of the victorious, as a sub-text. It was never ever really about freedom for the masses, and an equal society. If you read the news today regarding corruption and general lawlessness, does my statement make sense? In actual fact, we had been forewarned, to the letter, about all the things that we experience today in SA, but it was deemed to be Apartheid Government propaganda. Are you not being a bit hypocritical in defending natural social segregation as ‘a fact of life’ but denouncing a system that tried to preserve different ways of life for different cultures? I will now go and unlock the door for the security police…

      CC - 2011-08-03 21:36

      Pupuzela, I understand what you say. But why can the governing race decide what the other races should do - and enforce this by law? If you really believe what you say, then you should have no problem with the existing goverment doing exactly the same as the old goverment: Tell the whites where they can stay, what beaches they may visit, etc...

      Pupuzela - 2011-08-04 08:05

      CC, I pray for the day we are given self determination. Unfortunately it probably won't happen because a highly successful white-run country in Africa next to a dustbowl of a country won't be tolerated. The prescriptive apartheid legislation only had effect in SA, not in the self governing territories.

      Indomitable Momo - 2011-08-04 08:10

      Apartheid was evil. The fact is that the majority of whites supported it and justice has not been fully served on those who voted for the old NP. I believe this is what fuels the ANCYL and in this regard, they are 100% correct. We aren't all like Prez Mandela who can forgive. Some of us never will. End of story.

      Pupuzela - 2011-08-04 08:43

      Momo, you haven't seen evil. Wait a few years for Juju to be president.

      Jake - 2011-08-05 08:17

      @Pupuzela: Nicely put I feel the same way and I am sure there is a lot more that do as well.

  • Rob Gunning - 2011-08-03 15:35

    Oh please. Like you can do anything. Maybe you haven't noticed but your little friend Julius and the ANCYL runs the show these days, not you in the ANC.

      SamuelMabena - 2011-08-03 15:40

      This is what the ANC NEC must STOP! The ANCYL are acting like uneducated militant looters, they don't know when to shutup! The ANC body must take control now and stop them before they destroy Mandela's vision.

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-03 15:49

      too late Samuel....looks to me the YL are already stronger than the ANC themselves,i predict trouble,big trouble.

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-03 15:57

      Too late.... And the ANCYL is not acting! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Moeletsi-The-President/205134709529957

      Steve Wonderboy - 2011-08-03 16:17

      Way too late for the ANC seniors to do anything about it. If they try I can already see Malema opening a can of whip-ass on those fools. They can admonish all they like, but just let them try to do something tangible about the problem then they will see who rules the roost.

  • happygolucky - 2011-08-03 15:35

    its time to lay charges...words mean NOTHING

  • Daveza - 2011-08-03 15:36

    When you let a dog loose on a very long leash - you are supposed to hold onto your end.

  • Houtkop - 2011-08-03 15:36

    Rubbish, and you will never get our votes again - you behaviour like "baas boy"

      Rob Gunning - 2011-08-03 15:40

      You make no sense? Maybe write your comment in MS word, do a spelling and grammer check, fix up your unintelligable sentence and then copy and paste it back to your comment. The only thing I can pick uip from your comments are that you are racist and have hate in your heart.

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-03 16:26

      who exactly are you gonna vote for now then?...pls answer,i love to know.

      GTA_Lad - 2011-08-03 16:43

      Lol, here's another product of our sub standard education system.

      mokoenk - 2011-08-03 17:17

      we should stop entertaining Houtkop's comments. Do you think he understands what is being discussed here?

      umhlopo - 2011-08-03 23:10

      whats your surname (platneus)

  • BigMoose - 2011-08-03 15:37

    I smell a conspiracy! The ANC wants to topple President Khama and the ANCYL couldn't keep its mouth shut.

      GTA_Lad - 2011-08-03 16:46

      With what army Boet? Our lazy, fat, AIDS infected piss poor excuses for soldiers??

      Boerseun - 2011-08-03 17:01

      That is why they aim to set the peopel of Botswana up as the fall guys. I do not think however that it will work.

      mokoenk - 2011-08-03 17:18

      there is no smoke without fire... in time the truth will come out.

      VargVikernes - 2011-08-03 19:45

      Maybe ANCYL sabre rattles enough to cause a reaction from the Boswana government. The ANC responds aggresively. The UK and USA raise their voices causing mass hatred of white South Africans, led by a frenzied ANCYL. Could turn out very badly.

  • Tolerant - 2011-08-03 15:38

    Peace and Stability? Not part of the ANCYL vocabuluary.

  • John - 2011-08-03 15:38

    VOICE AT LAST ITS ABOUT TIME MANTSHE,BUT ARE THESE LITTLE W@NKERS GOING TO LISTEN AND APOLIGIZE TO THE RULING PARTY NOW, I THINK NOT

  • Waheed - 2011-08-03 15:38

    As any parent would tell you, the best way to discipline a stubborn child after numerous attempts to speak to them nicely is to give them a good klap. Sadly, the spineless ANC will never go beyond scolding. What a poor attempt to distract us from more pressing matters, such the fraud and corruption, etc. What a shame!

  • BokomoWeetbi - 2011-08-03 15:39

    HIER KOM A DING! SLAT HULLE 'DISRESPECTFUL' GATTE!! a bietjie te laat, maar doen dit!

  • Gorilla - 2011-08-03 15:39

    Why doesn't the president grow a set and humiliate this young fool. JZ's non-action sends a very clear message to anyone with half a brain.

      Mad Hatter - 2011-08-03 15:48

      Better to keep quiet and let people think you're a moron than opening it and proving them right ? JM V JZ approach ?

  • Shadoz - 2011-08-03 15:39

    ANCYL are a bunch of underachieving idiots that want to run everything into the ground. The ANC are in trouble if this is the kind of youth they are raiseing to take over in the future

      Man.Dumisani - 2011-08-03 15:49

      The are in trouble now already

  • kevinw - 2011-08-03 15:39

    Ow...your "RED Soxes" is not matching anymore....the wheels are coming off!!eish

  • dwnwitjuju - 2011-08-03 15:39

    I hope the ANC has a massive split over all of this...one minute they (ANC) rebuke, provincial ANC heads back up the ANCYL...I love it...and the walls come crumbling down...

      Steve Wonderboy - 2011-08-03 16:23

      There will never be any split. For all their incompetence they know they will never survive apart from the current ANC. Power shared is power lost. The worst that may happen is that Zuma might try to act like a president and actually do something about the youth league then get his ass handed to him because he wasn't as powerful as he thought.

  • the_truth - 2011-08-03 15:40

    Why realise this so late, so, makes me think, just needed to support him until after the elections, typical political games.......

      Together - 2011-08-03 15:53

      Exactly. Unless there is very firm and lasting action, these words are just another buy-for-time nothing - we all know how it works. How dare the new ANC allow it's inter-necine nonsense to jeopardise the lives and peace of 50 million people? Who puts policy in the hands of a youth league? Youth are supposed to be led, educated and given a sure and strong example. Not here - people with zero experience of anything are being allowed to shape the future of their elders. The worst part is: the youth think it's funny - they have no idea that it's actually abusive. Not stepping up to straighten out youth who have lost the plot is total neglect.

  • Douglas - 2011-08-03 15:40

    "South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others." London Times

  • crocoros - 2011-08-03 15:40

    Does anyone in the ANC really knows what is what and who is who in the zoo, or is it a case where the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. It seems that whatever the ANC does no one is actually sure of their facts. Billions get spent and no one seems to know who is doing what where. Come on ANC get your act together.

      Man.Dumisani - 2011-08-03 15:47

      The ANC at the moment have no direction or leader, that's the problem. And Julius can see that, so he tries to take over.

      Nkalakatha - 2011-08-04 08:38

      Yes crocoros, you are right !! You can even see it happening in government departments !! They beat soapies like Generations, Scandal and Muvhangu !!!

  • Siya - 2011-08-03 15:42

    The ANCYL has been given too much space by the ANCs'leadership vacuumhence we are in this situation. I am yet to hear anything from our president.Where is he? we need direction.

      BokomoWeetbi - 2011-08-03 15:45

      POWER TO THE GWEDE!! You can really see from how the ANCYL comes to reason things - it really shows a lack of understanding never mind a lack of respect to anything. Daddy is gonna give his little boy a MOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRSE VOKKIN KLAP!!

      Man.Dumisani - 2011-08-03 15:47

      Big part of our problem at this time bra, we have no gutsy leader within the ANC to take charge. No-one the people respect. Perhaps some of the BEE businessmen can come back to politics, cause the ANC house is shaking and wobbling badly, and idiots like Malema and his Youth League are taking over the ANC.

      soba le boya - 2011-08-03 16:10

      i bet he doesnt know directions,rather ask at the nearest filling station...

  • cmr.insurance - 2011-08-03 15:43

    Bla Bla Bla and nothing will happen to them, they are the new ANC sorry for you Gwede should have given your young brain deads a big hiding long ago. Now only stupidity and jokes going forward for his holyness Malema, the true leader of the ANC.

      BokomoWeetbi - 2011-08-03 15:46

      "What would Juju Do?"

  • Ross - 2011-08-03 15:45

    So why do they train them at the Saldanha Naval base and what for?. On the other hand let them go to Botswana and let us see what happens.

  • Freddie - 2011-08-03 15:46

    What about all the other damaging statements made by the ANCYL? Why do you quote the Freedom Charter when justifying actions? Surely the constitution of our country should be the first point of reference, not some outdated, irrelevant communist manifest?

      SamuelMabena - 2011-08-03 15:53

      You would think so hey?

  • Mafele - 2011-08-03 15:46

    It was okay when they were using Malema to fight their "war" against mbeki. He knows a lot 'bout their dirty secrets, they can't touch him.

      SamuelMabena - 2011-08-03 15:52

      It's called politics comrade, cheap, dirty, politics. Nothing more, nothing less. But, Malema is bad for SA and our future. Mandela fought against racist and hatred like that during the struggle. Malema makes a mockery of the ANC.

  • ShakaN - 2011-08-03 15:47

    Finally they are seeing what the y.l is doing to SA and its people and most importantly its image. The question is does anybody on the ANC have the balls to put julias over their knee and give him a good hiding.

  • Buic - 2011-08-03 15:47

    Classic case of the blind leading the blind

      SamuelMabena - 2011-08-03 15:53

      ANC no longer has any vision, so yes, they are blind

  • jock - 2011-08-03 15:48

    you keep on saying that but do nothing about it.I suspect you are using the ancyl as a platform to announce your real policies.

  • Jedi Master - 2011-08-03 15:48

    blah blah blah....... a lot of talk is a temporary solution and will be hidden under the carpet anyway.... Malema made sure that Zuma will be elected as president, and now it is payback time....

  • tokoloshe - 2011-08-03 15:50

    you yourself have been shielding this idiot. dont expect any sympathy from us.

  • friend - 2011-08-03 15:51

    What right do they have saying they want to help bring about regime change in Botswana? Can somebody please explain what the purpose of the ancyl is because it seems I have a different understanding. Are they not supposed to be empowering the youth of south Africa? Because therein lies the problem, they are discussing issues which have nothing to do with them. Same goes for the nationalization of mines. And that is where the problem lies. Shut up and do what you get paid to do. Your group exists WITHIN the ANC so stop driving your own agendas! Anc should have done something about them long ago.

  • N1 Production House - 2011-08-03 15:52

    Maybe this was all along the ANC's plan to start regime change in Botswana but the ANCYL jumped the gun....oeps!!!

  • Banana_Republic - 2011-08-03 15:53

    So everyone from Lootfreely House is now whining about the Kindergarten on the 6th floor, yet our the leader of the nation and respected stateman in Africa ;) has yet to open his mouth about this. Usually when the kids throw stones on the neighbour's roof the head of the house goes over to smooth things over, here dad stays at home hiding and gets some distant relatives to smooth things over.

  • Tokkel Loshi - 2011-08-03 15:53

    Its your little lap dog , you tought him to piss inside the house , now dont get upset !!

  • DandyLion - 2011-08-03 15:54

    Malema and co., all I can say is if you give someone enough rope, eventually they will hang themselves. Seems you've done just that???

  • Chris Swart - 2011-08-03 15:54

    For the first time I agree with a ANC official. Miracles do happen!!!

      Koporo - 2011-08-03 16:41

      Chris, u don't know what u agree with. Can Mantashe please just shutup and let Juju do what he's groomed to do. JZ u'r next, do u still remember when Juju says "on Monday we're going to recall Thabo". I still have the vedio on "Mshini wami" dance.

  • Rob Gunning - 2011-08-03 15:54

    @mthobelazn - Get off your ass and economically free yourself. Study every day after work and become more educated. Don't have 4000 children. Stop buying so much crap on credit. There you go.... I just gave you more advice on how to actually economically emansipate yourself in 3 seconds than JuJu has in the last 3 years.

  • MandlaSithole - 2011-08-03 15:55

    Botswana must be paying some ANC members for them to catch a wake up after so much time. R200? Theres something fishy going on. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Moeletsi-The-President/205134709529957

  • Nawe - 2011-08-03 15:56

    In it's defence the ANCYL has exposed the D.A about how Racist & stupid representing only the country's extremist..

      Man.Dumisani - 2011-08-03 16:01

      You need to stop being a 'dustbin bag' bra, black on outside, full of racist rubbish inside. Mandela and struggle fighters killed racism, the ANCYL want to bring it back. Don't be blind. The ANC fight internal has nothing to do with DA or any other party. ANC fight is because they have not leader and no direction now. We need Mandela, not Malema

      Man.Dumisani - 2011-08-03 16:02

      And anyway, DA is a democratic party, in spirit of Madiba. They have women in charge who represent all race groups, blacks, whites, coloureds and Indian. So I don't know what you talking about. Sound like you been to ANCYL military training brainwash sessions.

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-03 16:48

      so what will you do Nawe if the ANC get rid of JUJU and the ancyl?

  • cat8fish - 2011-08-03 15:57

    it's too late to complain now Gwede...

  • Chris - 2011-08-03 15:58

    In the event, almost inevitable, that the ANC NEC do not now apply the full force of their disciplinary process one can expect the racist comments to escalate until the ANCYL cause a civil war.

  • muzuzsecond2 - 2011-08-03 15:59

    100% Julius

      Spaffy - 2011-08-03 16:42

      100%dumbass

      Sammy - 2011-08-05 07:44

      Well said Spaffy

  • BOFFINBOB - 2011-08-03 16:00

    Mantashe....Your little junior boy scout troop is also undermining race relations in this country as well. Perhaps, you should be worried about that as well......or is that not a priority as a " parental body. "

  • Sarcastic - 2011-08-03 16:01

    The ANCYL are our fewcha leadars. Mantashe is a puppet of der turd forcas. He shud give our leada Malema a raise. While he is at it, he shud callfor de edication department to ban woodwek.

  • 2WhiteStars - 2011-08-03 16:01

    So they want regime change in Botswana - a country that functions better than our own - yet they are opposed to regime change in Zimbabwe and Libya. Go figure.

  • Agent Bastad - 2011-08-03 16:03

    If this buffoon wasn't such a sserious threat to the country, I would have laughed my bum off. But, alas, we will all suffer when juju becomes president for life.

  • Pragmatist - 2011-08-03 16:03

    Well they are NOT youths... they should know better. ANC watch out, they will try for a regime change here next!

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-03 16:31

      my thoughts exactly

  • greatgodpan - 2011-08-03 16:03

    i forsee an armed rebel movement of youth fighting a geurilla war against its own govt........

      greatgodpan - 2011-08-03 16:13

      so sandf call up all us previously sadf trained members to fight these crazy racists