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ANCYL wants minister of expropriation

2012-06-05 22:22

Pretoria - The Constitution must be changed to allow the expropriation of land without compensation, the ANC Youth League said on Tuesday.

"All our issues are locked there in section 25 of the Constitution," ANCYL deputy president Ronald Lamola told reporters in Centurion.

The league discussed policy at a workshop at the weekend ahead of the ANC's policy conference later this month. It decided a minister of expropriation without compensation should be appointed.

Section 25 of the Constitution refers to property rights and sets out conditions for the expropriation of land with compensation.

Lamola said the ANC should not apologise for changing the Constitution - which would require a two-thirds majority in Parliament.

"The ANC must amend section 25 without apologising to any investor or anybody. The ANC must amend its own Constitution when it deems necessary," he said.

Land invasions

If white South Africans did not hand land over to poor blacks, there could be land invasions like those that took place in Zimbabwe, the league warned.

"The nature of the inequalities... they are creating a situation where it's impossible for us to maintain stability," Lamola said.

The league disapproved of the youth wage subsidy, calling instead for a job search subsidy.

This would involve feeding unemployed youth so that they would have the energy to study and search for jobs. Lamola said this had been successful in Brazil.

Lamola said the nationalisation of mining and other sectors of the economy was inevitable.

"The whole world is moving towards nationalisation... nationalisation is inevitable. Every society that is serious about changing inequalities... is nationalising and is having ownership of the strategic sectors of the economy by the state."

Despite the ANCYL's perceived disorganisation, with three of its top five leaders suspended or expelled, Lamola said it was still influential within ANC structures.

"The Youth League remains a very influential league and critical body of opinion... it remains a very important organisation."

This meant it would be able to influence a change of leadership at the ANC elective conference to be held in Mangaung in the Free State, in December.

"Change in leadership at Mangaung is inevitable.... The ANCYL is going to influence the policy conference of the ANC," Lamola said.

President Jacob Zuma, who is also president of the ANC, wants to be elected for another term. The ANCYL is said to prefer Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe.

The ANCYL said it still considered Julius Malema, who has been expelled from the ANC, as its president.

ANCYL spokesperson Magdalene Moonasamy said it would respect the internal processes of the ANC, but "we reaffirm our president remains our president".

ANC must set agenda

Pule Mabe, who the ANCYL dismissed as treasurer general last month, had not been reinstated, Lamola said.

It was reported that Mabe was reinstated after ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe intervened.

Lamola said the ANC had written to the ANCYL with recommendations on how to deal with Mabe.

It said the ANC had not suggested that Mabe be reinstated, but that he should be subjected to due process including possible charges. The nature of the charges was not clear.

In other policies, the ANCYL called for free education by the end of 2013, and that the ANC dictate policy to the government, and not the other way round.

ANCYL deputy secretary general Kenetswe Mosenogi said the ANC's main policy discussion document on the second transition was a "cut-and-paste" of the National Planning Commission's diagnostic report.

The ANC was thus being influenced by government, she said.

"It's the ANC that must set the agenda for government... not the other way around."

Comments
  • Busi - 2012-06-05 22:47

    This cabinet is expanding ,meaning more tax

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-06-06 08:36

      Minister of theft ....... how tragicly appropriate!

      rowen.loretz - 2012-06-06 12:44

      who cares what thes douchebag party poopers want. No one can take them seriously. Let them invade the land ...the farmers are getting ready for them...

      Edward - 2012-06-06 14:57

      "The ANC must amend section 25 without apologising to any investor or anybody. The ANC must amend its own Constitution when it deems necessary," he said. If the ANC "owns" the constitution then there isn't a democracy in SA.

      Edward - 2012-06-06 14:59

      The whole world is moving towards nationalisation... nationalisation is inevitable. Every society that is serious about changing inequalities... is nationalising and is having ownership of the strategic sectors of the economy by the state." And each time countries move in this direction they destroy their economy for the long term. Just look at china that has move from state owned to privately owned. It was only when they gave in to private ownership that their economy took off. ANCYL look at reality and not your fantasy. Nationalization destroys economies.

      Thabang - 2012-06-06 16:05

      Tell me of just one country that does not have nationalisation. None.

      Jennifer - 2012-06-06 17:58

      Mr Sexwale, do they know about your gorgeous farms in Franchoek and Bloemendal in Durbanville, P.s. the solar heaters on the farmworkers houses there still don't work.

      oneant - 2012-06-06 23:12

      if theres something they should protest about let it be the interest rates. wealth is created in this world by making profit from debt. there are no two ways about it. you are not going to create 100 000 employee empires by never taking on the risk of debt. And the cheaper debt is, the better chance to profit from it. Yet, these clowns think they sound intelligent. They think owning a piece of land will solve all their problems. MY DEAR ANCYL, it will merely be the start of your problems. The problems you yourselves created.

      TSR01 - 2012-06-07 12:40

      "If white South Africans did not hand land over to poor blacks, there could be land invasions like those that took place in Zimbabwe, the league warned." - a threat of violence, intimidation, theft, and incitement to murder / violence. That is an act of terror, and thus, these TERRORISTS (The ANCYL) should be arrested and charged!!!!!

      Denise - 2012-06-07 19:53

      Stay calm. Let them carry on. Let us quietly prepare ourselves for what is coming to South Africa. Sooner or later their greed will get the better of them and they will overplay their hands. They will trigger the start of our Third Freedom Struggle. This time around they must not expect mercy. We stop at the equator.

      Smell - 2012-06-08 00:34

      First, I absolutely do not understand why Farmers are being singled out for redressing the legacy of Apartheid without fair compensation, when all Whites historically had the benefit of superior education and opportunity. Easy to be a bleeding heart liberal when you are not expected to hand over your assets or family business for free. Members of the ANCYL, please give your heads a shake, and try to understand that very basic fact. Second, land is only of true benefit to the people when the occupants of that land are agricultural specialists. Otherwise we will only be moving impoverished, hungry people from slums in the city to rural shacks, while national food production will plummet. Like in Zimbabwe. So, the first step for aspiring African farmers should be successful completion of adequate training at e.g. an Agricultural College. Because successful farming requires intimate knowledge of the soil, crop cultivation, pest control, farm implement mechanics, and basic veterinary medicine. Also running a small business, and long-term strategic planning for dry spells, crop rotation and grazing rotation. This is not a business that flourishes without intimate knowledge and dedication. The second step should be fair compensation for expropriated land. Real hope for our impoverished masses resides in the aggressive promotion of education and family planning. And secure borders so that we do not have to employ and nourish the entire Africa. Landgrabs will be a failure.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-05 22:50

    I think they think their extravogent lifestyles will simply grow from the soil.I bet they couldnt even grow a pot plant properly.Ask any experienced farmer how hard farming has become.

      oneant - 2012-06-06 22:00

      i wonder if they are also willing to expropriate the debt attached to the land? or where they too busy blaming white people while grade 8 accounting was in session?

  • Raldo Loots - 2012-06-05 23:05

    Is this suposed to be a joke? Did this actually come out of his mouth? "....The league disapproved of the youth wage subsidy, calling instead for a job search subsidy. This would involve feeding unemployed youth so that they would have the energy to study and search for jobs. Lamola said this had been successful in Brazil." So by deduction our unemployment problem can be solved just by feeding the youth? Nando's, here is another one to have a field day with.

      pieter.pohl.3 - 2012-06-06 00:29

      Do they realise how much work studying is? I get fed 3 times a day and still I'll feel too tired to do anything.

      rob.patrick.94 - 2012-06-06 07:17

      No Raldo what he means is if their tummies are full they are gauranteed to find a job. Why didnt the cANCer think of this, its so mindblowing the stupidity.

  • tobydt - 2012-06-05 23:05

    White people only own 20% - 30% of the total land area in South Africa. Black people own 40% - 50% of the total area of SA. Government owns 30%. Redistributing 20% - 30% aint gonna do jack for the 18 million unemployed.

      Koos - 2012-06-06 01:01

      They don't care about what you don't own. They want yours, finish en klaar. My policy is simple. Step on my property you end up in the septic tank.

      tobydt - 2012-06-06 01:25

      I'll say it again, if we include the government, then black folks control 70% - 80% of the total surface area of South Africa. On top of that, combined, black wealth is more than white wealth. Its time the rich black folks start helping the poor black folks. Your attacks on the white man is getting retarded now.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-06 05:17

      Plus, most farmers will admit the hard work, the bonds and loans that go into farming. I'm sure the masses will like that... Yeah, it's not ONLY about "the people who work the land" hey, it's also about the people who actually PAY for the implements, seed, sprays and do the strategising too...

      Raymond - 2012-06-06 06:11

      Just for the record. The actual unemployment figure in SA is 48%. There are two figures. It works like this: When the census is done, the question asked is, are you employed. If the answer is no, the second question is, have you looked for work? If the answer to question 2 is yes, then you are considered to be unemployed because you have looked for a job. If the answer to the second question is no, then you are not considered to be unemployed, because you haven't tried. Believe me, these are the facts.

      Denise - 2012-06-07 22:45

      There is no reason for blacks to be poor and unemployed in SA. It is the ANC and SACP who constantly create these expectations of entitlement that enslaves blacks into poverty. Practiced to its full extreme it will lead to mass starvation as we have seen in Zimbabwe and the rest of Africa where Socialism was offered as the solution to black poverty. The commies have been selling Socialism to the blacks of Africa as a quick fix to their problems for decades. Blacks believe this despite the entire Socialist world being a total failure. Black people in SA today can so easily lift themselves out of poverty when they simply ignore the BS rhetoric of the ANC/SACP/Cosatu troika. The sooner the black people of SA begin to shun the ANC communists and their unworkable “solutions” the better it will be for all.

  • Trotse - 2012-06-05 23:08

    Its funny how us \whites\ are the troublemakers, we voted Madiba in for power and all who stood beside him did not care for his vision, instead only more bloodshed... for we are once again under attack and we allowed this to happen in hope for peace. Many Africans do not agree with the ancyl and therefore must stand against this as did the west with hitler, starlin and so on.\r\nWhen you fight for peace expect bloodshed. \r\n We are in a crossroad (all of us) the choice is which path will you follow and what do you expect to gain.\r\nI will always fight for peace and freedom and wrong the rights of the past, however my culture has also been wronged in the past. For those of you that do not believe we should be in SA do not believe in democracy as many africans live in europe and work as one nation. The \Boers\ that some hate so much had a population that would not even have filled the Mandela football stadium yet we are the racists?, ask your ANC brothers what they did with all the money the old government was giving them ?

      Trotse - 2012-06-05 23:36

      @Albert\r\nYes agreed but the majority did vote in hope for a peaceful future. I understand what you are saying as it is what it is, the point I wanted to make though is Madiba put down his weapons and put his hand out for peace, the only problem was everyone behind him was ready to backstab this proposal (reminds me of bloodriver incident)\r\nWe must now once again must keep our backs to the walls and prepare for the worst case.

      Keith - 2012-06-06 06:46

      Albert, with all this shooting you'll be the only one left. Albert for president!

      donald - 2012-06-06 07:18

      and he will eat nandos

  • Bheki - 2012-06-05 23:28

    Not every member of the yl agrees of what lamola said and yes thre will be change of leader ship in mangaung but the president will still the president after mangaung and so not all branches agrees of what lamola said and he is talking for his own interest when he says he prefers kgalema to be president , yes he is right for his own views not as the yl genaral...

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-06 05:19

      Well, if you're right, Bheki, and you seem to be a member of the YL, then get rid of him. I'm willing to talk about the problems our black youth experience, but not to radicals at all.

      giepievz - 2012-06-06 06:11

      A voice of sanity. Thank you Bheki

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-06 07:40

      @ Bheki, I think everyone agrees that we have inequality & that we have to address this in a significant way going forward, this won't be easy & will need a lot of thinking & hard work. The real question is how do we best achieve this, this needs serious & open debate, not militant & intolerant threats from some in the YL. What we need is new leadership that is strong, honest & can fix our social problems, without this leadership we will continue down the path to a failed state, we will all lose.

      Almero - 2012-06-06 08:14

      Why are people like Bheki left to comment here in the user comments section while the crazies can voice their madness over national media. It should be the other way around. People like YOU should lead political organisations like the league. Maybe then investors would become more positive in South Africa again and we can start working on really uplifting the poor. Give Bheki a Bells, give him the whole dam bottle.

      Thabang - 2012-06-06 14:11

      I see majority want Zuma for 2nd term.

      Jacqui - 2012-06-06 14:17

      Bheki, well said.

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-06-05 23:44

    Did you know that a high percentage of farmland given to blacks HAS BEEN SOLD BACK TO WHITE FARMERS? So much for wanting their land back. It was just a ploy to make some money. Look it up on the web - I did.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-06 05:30

      They admitted in their own reports they have no idea about 'private sales' - they can't account for black owners in PRIVATE because they removed the 'racist requirements of registering the race of the buyer when registering the bond'. So much for efficiency. And that dude who's now the 'minister' of agriculture even admitted that 90% of transformed farms are a failure. By that standard, this country is doomed. There's a reason big chain stores are starting to import already, at a great expense to the very same 'poor masses' who vote these idiots into power.

  • anthony.hawke.7 - 2012-06-05 23:51

    \Must amend its own constitution...\. Excuse me. Wie se constitution???

  • Nicolaas - 2012-06-05 23:59

    Why not add a minista of idiocy, a minista of corruption, minista of knving, minsta of cadre deployment, oops, we got one, he is called ZOOMER!

  • hein.otto - 2012-06-06 00:04

    We are already over populated, but woman are being paid to get more children. Where else but in South Africa?? Lamola, do you want me to show you what happened to a farm, that your Ex President,Malema, made it impossible for me to carry on farming on in 2005?? Do you want me to show you the hundreds jobless people it created.It was a government farm i leased for ten years, then Malema came and demanded the farm back.300 people were employed during harvest season on the farm, providing approx 1000 human beings with an income and food.Those people is now just part of the work-less statistics that you scream about!!All 42000 citrus trees that used to be on the farm is gone, all production equipment is gone.That is just one farm, where your Malema was personally involved !! Please stop kidding yourselves,you are not impressing me, and I will do everything in my power to see that this do not happen again !!

  • keith.ngobeni - 2012-06-06 00:10

    ANCYL bunch of imbeciles high school drop-outs trying to destroy south Africa for their own benefits, some of us won't get affected when south africa becomes another Zimbabwe in southern Africa because I also got a British passport ANCYL you can go ahead and destroy our country you f***Ken cretins walnut brains.

      michelle.o.roos - 2012-06-06 01:06

      don't think the death penalty should be re-instated in south africa, it seems that (after listening to the anc youth league's verbal diaree about insisting on taking farms from farmers without compensation) that bringing back physical dicipline in schools might have a better effect! The YL needs some hard core strapping! they make everyone(especially the government) look bad! those youngsters are no good news!

      carpejugulim - 2012-06-06 04:56

      Sganja who's socks have you been smoking? Education by which standard ... South Africa or the rest of the world?

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-06 05:26

      Yeah, any degree from a transformed university ain't work nothing. I've seen first hand how people who do NOT obtain their B-degree's somehow qualify for D-degrees at my local university. And let's not forget how Umalusi's standards are frowned upon globally (yes, even in Botswana). And thirdly, let's not forget what becomes of state hospitals once they are infected with doctors and nurses from certain medical faculties. And finally, let's not forget about those 'Get your degree online' websites.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-06 05:28

      There WILL be a second ZIM. Food shortages, economic sanctions, and more. With one exception. There WILL also be war. Because our farmers have nowhere to go.

      roiyen - 2012-06-06 07:57

      @Sganja? they are EDUCATED? \they have degree(s) masters and MBA.\ Well (1), an educated person don't think like, act like and follow a fool. (2) If they have degrees and masters than please tell me why are foreigners employed in top ranks in the private sector? And why is our masses unemployed while others from outside this country are employed? Maybe that is something to fight about not damn farmland. I might not like them, mara at least they work our lands so that I can enjoy a decent meal.

      Almero - 2012-06-06 08:16

      @Sganja: I smell a troll!

      John - 2012-06-06 08:51

      I think he means 'degrees' they buy in Russia... Sganja is a common troll. Not unlike Malenema. Good luck trying to get him to explain his 'pearls of wisdom'.

      myfriendshane - 2012-06-06 10:52

      Actually, you laugh about those online degree sites. I did some research on one of them for a project and this one actually awards honorary degrees, which are fully legal http://www.instantdegrees.co.za

  • TheSuperC - 2012-06-06 00:19

    Some of the future goals listed by ANCYL deputy president were "expropriation of land without compensation" warning that "if white South Africans did not hand land over to poor blacks, there could be land invasions like those that took place in Zimbabwe". In a TV interview he continued by naming prominent white Afrikaans surnames, saying that if these men fail to willing hand over their land, without compensation of course, he cannot guarantee their safety. It was intended to be very threatening, much like a high-jack situation: hand over your property or we’ll kill you, and aimed at white Afrikaans land-owners. With many young South Africans the supporting the ANCYL, these aren’t empty threats are not to taken lightly. The ANC and ANCYL must be stopped! Their short-sighted, criminal, mindset has the potential to destroy...

  • John - 2012-06-06 00:33

    Why don't they focus their energies on education, and projects to create jobs? The poor imbecile followers get promised land and wealth. Assume they 'get it right' and destroy the bourgeoisie on whom they rely on to fill the tax coffers - they think they not gonna have to work a day, poverty is over and all is just 'nanas'? I can hold my own and debate with the best of them, but I honestly do not know how to discuss things with clueless idiots.

      Keith - 2012-06-06 06:53

      Look, it's much easier, and more profitable, to rant and rave than to work. And when all about you is ruin and desolation don't worry, you'll still be at the front of the gravy train.

      John - 2012-06-06 08:54

      These idiots think the 'government gives them' - they don't realise it's tax money from the working citizenry. Never underestimate the depths of stupidity.

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-06-06 10:35

      Keith, The only problem is that the gravy train will soon be empty!

      Keith - 2012-06-06 13:04

      No Sylvia, the west will never stop giving to Africa, and then there are the Chinese.

  • john.lonsdale.5 - 2012-06-06 00:50

    OK, public funded, the lot of you go to Zimbabwa, the ANC and all it's hangers on, your not allowed to go to mad Bobs Palace, but to the poor rural ares. Then come back with honesty and say the policies Mad Bob instigated, that you want to copy, is good for the country. You are narrow minded and are not looking at the big picture. Even the Chineese have realised that Socialisation does not work, there will always be the haves and the have nots, but you need an environment where the haves nots, by hard work, become the haves, that is how the USA became so powerful, and now China is adopting the same model. A government can only become strong rich and powerful if it has lots of tax payers, think about that me my friends.

  • Millos Mpofu - 2012-06-06 01:27

    Lamula unemagama ekujelwa its nice to speak politics if there is a cup of tea next to you .You now Lamula many black farmers sold their farm back to the whites because farming is not like taking a taxi from Bush to Nelspruit others they are being employed by those whites because their don't know how to cultivate .BESINGATI KUTSI I ANC ASAKHICITI EBAHOLISIBILI LEYOUTH SEMAQABA ATIQABA NGELAWONA

  • Alfred - 2012-06-06 01:30

    I think we should rather appoint a minister of idiocy who will be responsible for putting loud mouthed laaities back into their cages and taking away their crayons if they start stomping their feet and threatening the grown ups. He should also be in charge of making the final call for neutering when a blithering yoof leeg buffoon shows no hope of reaching the same intellectual level as an infant chimpanzee that was dropped on its head.

  • Irene - 2012-06-06 01:32

    Can someone with a brain cell (unfortunately this excludes the cANCer thugs) tell me what the big effing deal is about owning a farm? Do these imbeciles also think that there are enough farms to go around so that each and every one of the over breeding masses will get one? These thugs must be very, very careful of their ignorant utterances because we're all getting gatvol and they just might find that they're going to get what they're asking for and it sure isn't land in the form they want. Rather a really close bonding with the soil 6 feet under. It's coming and we're ready .....

      Barefoot - 2012-06-06 02:08

      Over breeding masses really? can't you finish a comment without insulting people? i was in agreement with your statement when i started reading until i got to that point. not everyone of the over breeding masses wants a farm or even supports the ANC, be careful of insulting those that might take a stand with you, what's said about burning bridges?

      Keith - 2012-06-06 06:58

      It has already been said above by someone. All the people want is land to feed their cattle and to grow a patch of mealies.

      John - 2012-06-06 08:56

      Sganja- what are you going to rule after you f*ck the land up??? Shut up troll.

  • sakhile.s.matiwane - 2012-06-06 01:35

    no,no,no, da youth league should realy reconsida on sum of these policies that myt nt work in a democratic state lyk ourz!

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-06-06 01:45

    Out goes Malema in goes Lamola.......another rubble rouster, the YL is hell bent on drivel these days. Messing up systems that are already working.......

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-06 05:20

      Only one solution, Thando. Vote DA and get your family and friends to vote DA. Get rid of the virus that's the ANC.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-06-06 09:31

      Nah boet......i wudnt go that far!

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-06-06 10:39

      Thando, Well then when the farms lie dormant and the shelves in the shops are bare then don't complain. You get what you vote for.

      rowen.loretz - 2012-06-06 12:57

      @ Thando, then vote cope. Anything but ANC

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-06 14:26

      Well, then Thando, don't vote or vote for someone else. But don't complain if things fall apart. It's pointless voting for the same people over and over, and then protesting 3 months later about 'non delivery'.

  • Pearlzin - 2012-06-06 01:58

    Mmh mangaung will be on fire eh

  • brettcch - 2012-06-06 02:17

    The height of idiocracy. 99% of cadre deployments into government departments result in corruption and/or non-delivery. Why will this "minister" be any different? Have the textbooks been delivered at the ANC's "political school"?

  • thabo.manganye - 2012-06-06 03:35

    i think the amount of rubish one says is regarded to as one of the most requirements needed to be the president of the ANCYL. now they are telling us they want the next president to come out of e.c as if the last 2 were from limpopo.

  • gregory.jurgens - 2012-06-06 03:49

    Would love to see this idiot distribute 10000 farms to 10 0000000 poor.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-06 10:40

      Who said it would go to the poor - there are loads of nephews and nieces who need nice big farms to match their BMW SUV's.

  • Kwazi - 2012-06-06 05:32

    Madness.!

  • Phelamanga - 2012-06-06 05:36

    When the land is expropriated, who are the new owners, can they farm the land and do they have the ability to produce food to feed the entire nation? This wailing for land seems to be more about giving land to loyal cadres of the corrupt, wealthy and decadent elites of the ANC.The land question is not about giving land to emerging farmers. Just remember that the minister, Nkwinti and his family, are claiming land which doesn't belong to them. What would a primary school-trained teacher know about the complexities of farming.The land will be sub-divided and rented out to hundreds of people turning it into a large squatter camp filled with misery, disease and discontent, while the absentee landlord lives it up in the city with his expensive cars, houses, clothes and alcohol.

  • deabreu - 2012-06-06 05:55

    The ancyl need a minister of brain transplants. Racists like these will die and shovel coal with mugabe for their new master.

  • Zwai - 2012-06-06 05:55

    Not in our lifetime lamola.alway when our youth went to zim they come back with stupid ideas,or mugabe is trying to destroy south africa via youth league.shame on you lamola you are afraid of taking the lead of youth league now you are derailing our youth go to hell with your land grab.how can you give a person a farm whereas he/she depend on social grant you must think before you speak.

      Bongani - 2012-06-07 10:49

      Zwai u r so colonised nd it's not funny but stupid.

  • Cronje - 2012-06-06 06:07

    Sganja, where has Nationalization been succesfull? Pray do tell... Spit it out 'boet'

      vandeventer.sarel - 2012-06-06 08:09

      Nationalisation cant work with corruption so high. Thats like saying give me the banks so i can put my hand in the till. Every anc member turns a blind eye to corruption? Why? Because most off them are lazy ass scum, want want want!!!! But dont want to work work work!!!!

      thabo.manganye - 2012-06-06 10:05

      Lerato, Botswana is a country with only around 2 million people and they spend close to 4 billion pula importing food from south africa. just imagine if it was south africa having to import food for 54 million people. in botswana all they have is diamonds, cattle and st louis beer thats all. i have had the privillage of staying in that country and i tell you the only thing that is making that country survive is the fact that they a have a managable population and a lot of diamonds so please dont compare us to botswana. look at nigeria they have all the oil they need but nationalisatin is a pain to their economy

      Thabang - 2012-06-06 14:28

      Libya nationalised their resources and did not owe anyone. British Airways,BBC, BP and many other companies including banks have been nationalised in UK. Just to mention a few.

      Ricardo - 2012-06-06 20:46

      @Thabang... Libya is a very poor example... They may not owe anyone anything now (seeing as they are one of the major oil producers - which by the way so is Venezuela and they are SUFFERING!!!) but would you honestly admit that you admire the conditions they live in ie: Poverty with an oppressive government? Didn't think so. Also, you are comparing the UK to SA.. A first world country vs a third world country?? Really?? In the UK if you get caught you are held accountable.. Here you get caught (if you get caught!!), you case docket disappears or you serve 3 months and get released on medical parole... Get real!! Like Sarel said, this government is too corrupt to make even a daft idea like nationalisation work!

  • ziphok1 - 2012-06-06 06:31

    I wonder what will they get after they took the farms. I'm not on anyone side but,the Zim did it. They are the sad nation ever. Who ever want to follow them must be a fool.

      michael.a.devilliers - 2012-06-06 10:16

      No, they're the sad cause of that you actually need to know how to farm. There is a HUGE difference between subsistence farming required to feed oneself and commercial farming required to feed the country.

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-06-06 10:49

      Phew Skosana, Lucky then for us Zim was a dismal failure. A lot of Zimbaweans left and I don't see them queuing at the border to go back. And of those that stayed behind (in Zimbabwe) most are poor. I bet you my bottom dollar that most Zimbabweans will tell you that land grabs was the wrong way to go!!

      Jacques - 2012-06-06 10:53

      skosana, you stupid or just plain dumb, does it look like its successfull im Zim??? Those farms im Zim are not producing anything why do you think the people im Zim are starving????? Zimbabwe depends on the world to feed his people. i was there a few years ago and if seen truck load of maize etc delivered to towns like masvingo etc. wake up please

      Carla - 2012-06-06 11:45

      @Skosana - of course, sabotage! Us pink people are really versatile hey! Heaven forbid mugabe or any of his cronies take accountabilty for the actions. It would be treason for them to be held accountable for the suffering they have caused the Zimbabwean people. It's all down to us pink people.

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-06-06 19:44

      @ziphok1...we will become a sad nation if we follow the route Zimbabwe took.The question I ask is...why take established working farms..we have soooo much fertile unoccupied land....why don't the government train black people to be farmers and as an incentive..when they qualify...they get give a small piece of land to start off with...then they can grow...and when the time is right they can purchase more land.WHY TAKE FLOURISHING FARM FROM A HARD WORKING FARMER THAT IS PROVIDING FOOD FOR THE NATION?

  • mphofejack.sebela - 2012-06-06 06:36

    Power hungry headless money mongers,going about changing anything they wish with a snap of a finger...eviction of scorpions,nationalisation,info.protection bill and now the constitution...how shameless,and mind you this is not brazil nor zimbabwe behaviours vary significantly...the national party and its youth are doing more harm than good under the dictatorship of mantashe and zuma in pursuit of totalitarianism..

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-06-06 10:50

      Ratsaka, I think Mphofejack is implying that the ANC is turning into the NP!!

  • mphofejack.sebela - 2012-06-06 06:36

    Power hungry headless money mongers,going about changing anything they wish with a snap of a finger...eviction of scorpions,nationalisation,info.protection bill and now the constitution...how shameless,and mind you this is not brazil nor zimbabwe behaviours vary significantly...the national party and its youth are doing more harm than good under the dictatorship of mantashe and zuma in pursuit of totalitarianism..

  • Keith - 2012-06-06 06:38

    Why does the anc want all the land? Isn't it just because it is owned by white people? But for all our bluster, the anc is working its supporters into a frenzy over the land problem in order to hide its many shortcomings; and they will succeed in encouraging land invasions. Once the first invasion is not stopped by the anc the floodgates will open.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-06-06 06:45

    I think they should stop smoking their socks and maybe wake up!!! how about telling your youth to study and do your best at school and get a job!!!!

  • brionyl.french - 2012-06-06 06:46

    COMMUNISM!!!!

  • Hermann - 2012-06-06 06:46

    Since when does the Constitution belong to the ANC?

      emile.marais - 2012-06-08 06:36

      No Victor, it (the Constitution) came with a democratic South Africa.

  • ziphok1 - 2012-06-06 06:56

    Guys I'm coming from Babanango in KZN. By early 90's farmers left that place to us. Trust me to this day there is nothing left of those farms. This is not about having a big land to your self its about feeding the nation. Guys use your brains, its for free.

      Nuran Mohanlal - 2012-06-06 07:34

      R800m more for some one to spend....

  • anthro45 - 2012-06-06 07:14

    Can someone please name me one educated ANCYL member? And I am not talking about a bafoon that scraped through on 30% after the marks were adjusted.

  • Sharon - 2012-06-06 07:16

    For land grabs go and live in Zimbabwe, you should feel right at home there and who knows you could be on the receiving end!!

  • jack.kukard - 2012-06-06 07:19

    Lamola , Kukard here come try and take what is mine and you and your cronies can take the consequences........

  • jack.kukard - 2012-06-06 07:20

    sganja , maybe you should start working to own something , not everything is free in this world , only chicken and t shirts.....

  • jim.dickson2 - 2012-06-06 07:23

    Can we expropriate Tokyo Sexwale's wine estate first. He has plenty cash and is a politician as well. This will show that we are redistributing to the poor. Not just taking from thr white? No? Then leave white property alone!

  • papi.koko - 2012-06-06 07:27

    A black person has always been seen as an idiot nd ths perception will never go away... i wonder who created it?

      Bless Boswell - 2012-06-06 07:39

      They brought it on themselves, because of the things that they do. Unfortunately acts perpetrated by a small number affects the whole. The government comprises but a small percentage and their thieving and corrupt ways and lack of conscience have brought the disgust of a whole nation down upon them.

      Mike Purchase - 2012-06-06 07:56

      papi you are wrong there its not about colour its about education,integrity,honesty etc etc and there are millions of blacks who fall into this category.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-06 07:57

      No, this is not true

      Almero - 2012-06-06 08:54

      As the white man will always be seen as the oppressor for what was done by some. Up to both of us to change the perception in the face of those who want to stoke and increase this hatred. If you make comments like in this article you are an idiot that is totally out of touch with reality. But in these comments there has been many many comments from black people that totally dispel it again. Get THESE people in power and take out the trash and everyone in this country,a side from the crazies, will respect them.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-06-06 11:42

      Not true Papi friend, I work in the IT field and I have black friends/co-workers who actually teach me a thing or two...sooo the perception you speak of is a no no.

      emile.marais - 2012-06-08 06:46

      Strange Papi. When I worked at the London Borough of Hackney local council in London most of my colleagues where from Africa or Asia. Most Africans there where university educated. Wouldn't call them idiots at all. The person who interviewed me was from Ghana, and my colleague when I was out on the streets was from Togo. Nicer people I have never met. The only place I've ever experienced this anti-white South African sentiment is here in South Africa and oh yes, the USA.

  • donald - 2012-06-06 07:28

    in time farms will become assets that no one owns but the government. The will become a worldwide phenomena. Land will be run by the most efficient person. A qualified group of people who would be required to produce x amount of food in a year if not they are removed and someone else will manage the land. but this will not happen in our lifetime. The situation now is that the white farmers are best qualified to produce and that is all that matters. To be a farmer, you are born into it and comes from generations of knowledge handed down from ancestors. Our farmers should be protected like national assets. white and black. but if white or black farmers are not producing the quantity of food that land should produce then that land should be expropriated.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-06-06 07:34

      Amen to that!

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-06 07:33

    still trying to be relevant after their "so called leader" was expelled, shame

  • Sue - 2012-06-06 07:40

    The tragedy with this kind of rhetoric is that too many who have been whipped to a frenzy in the name of 'revolution' actually buy into it, with absolutely no idea how to manage or run a farm. While I hate to say look at Zim, I know for a fact that is how it happened. Help from the few white farmers who would offer assistance? Perish the thought - so the land is wasted, over-planted, over-grazed, and lost to the country for producing food to feed those who will subsequently, inevitably, face starvation. But in the name of redistribution and of course the revolution ..... to fight against the folly is seen as - wait for it - racist.

      Mike Purchase - 2012-06-06 07:52

      Sue you hit the nail on the head.

  • Charmain - 2012-06-06 07:42

    what do these things want now go the same way as zim the lans owners must NOW STAND UP AND SHOT THE SOB THAT WANT THE LAND I AM SO SICK AND SN SURE THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS OF THIS LAND GRAB WE WHITES MUST JUST TRY AND TAKE SOMTHING THAT BELONGS TO THEM THEM ALL HELL BREAKS OUT

  • cleopas.maunye - 2012-06-06 07:46

    De ANCYL must just close shop!!!

  • dianne.b.hartley - 2012-06-06 07:48

    Its not the hen who cackles the most that lays the golden egg.

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-06-06 07:50

    Seems the ancyl is bent on making S.A a state like Zimbabwe....have these fools even tried to live in that God forsaken country for even a month.....better still let them go move there and enjoy the riches that are flowing in the streets from the nationalized mines and the land grabs....go get yourself a piece of land in Zim......believe me grass always looks greener on the other side....YOU WILL BE GLAD TO RETURN TO SOUTH AFRICA....everything in Zim is much worse than what you realize.

  • dianne.b.hartley - 2012-06-06 07:59

    The problem with ANCYL is they want what the whites have but are too damn lazy to work for them.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-06-06 08:28

      Not quite Dianne. I believe the ANCYL think whites have come by their possessions by inheriting or by theft. They cannot believe that we actually worked for what we have. Now, they see their leaders in government living the high life and they want that for themselves. Sure the youth can become people of substance, but they must understand that nothing comes for nothing. If you want something then work for it. Working for reward gives one a sense of pride and accomplishment. If they simply take the reward they will never experience the satisfaction of having earned the reward. How very sad!

      dianne.b.hartley - 2012-06-06 08:48

      @Bless, agreed and yes its sad. @Yamkela, I dont beat about the bush I leave that to the ANC, something they very good at.

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-06-06 09:04

      The ANC is not installing in them the urge to work to gain, they're telling them to take it back from us. But what's to take back? Nothing was given to me! Most of us work damn hard and still struggle today. I've taken nothing from anybody. If I lose everything I'm out on the street. Everybody is in the same boat. But stealing it back gives no sense of self accomplishment - or maybe it does for some.. Sick.