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AfriForum condemns Kommando camps

2012-02-26 18:48

Johannesburg - Civil rights organisation AfriForum on Sunday condemned Kommandokorps training camps.

On Friday, the Mail & Guardian newspaper reported that a camp outside Carolina, Mpumalanga, was training teenage boys to hate black people.

The camp, called Kommandokorps, claims to have trained over 1 500 boys.

The boys - aged between 13 and 19 - were told that black people were the most under-developed, barbaric members of the human race. The boys heard that blacks had a smaller cerebral cortex and therefore could not use their initiative or govern properly.

AfriForum CEO Kallie Kriel said the treatment of the boys was immoral and inexcusable.

The vast majority of Afrikaners were moderate and civilised people who were proud of their own cultural identity but also respected other cultural communities.

"It is regrettable that a small fringe group's actions can time and again be used to try and portray all Afrikaners in a bad light," he said.

Comments
  • Ben - 2012-02-26 18:57

    Afriforum then also condemns the training camp of the A.N.C.Y.L. Do something about that first.

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-26 19:19

      Ive heard rumours of the ANCYL militant training camps. But, I do know that the SANDF gives military training to candidates recruited out of ANCYL and YCL exclusively.

      Sean - 2012-02-26 19:35

      Zuma said youth movements must be militant ?? One big bloody joke !!

      craigtjames - 2012-02-26 19:41

      How in the world is our country going to come right when you respond with something as backward as this. We cannot fix wrongs with wrongs. What in heaven's name is this going to help these white boys. They are the ones who might have to say Mr to a black man one day. Shame on their parents.

      Mandu Ngcobo - 2012-02-26 19:51

      Really?? Are you that much of a hypocrite? When have 2 wrongs ever made a right?

      Juan - 2012-02-26 20:16

      @Sean best to take what Zuma says with a pinch of salt.

      nthabiseng.priklopil - 2012-02-26 20:18

      Sinudeity, the response was directed to Ben S. To you Mr Rainbow flag, to answer your curiousity, I feed my behind all the way! On the record, I am not racist and love diversity. It spice up life. I was not brought up to hate. We are all citizens of the world and whites have a right to be in SA or any part of the world they choose to live in and so are blacks. Rather than always complaining how blacks are less intelligent and the list, concentrate and absorb the good.

      Cracker - 2012-02-26 20:21

      @ Ben S Is that a fact? Sources please. This is not disputing what you say. If it is true we should take serious note. I know that the current minister of defense had the idea about three years ago to have the ANCYL leadership military trained - for about one month if I recall correctly, which made one think it was some leadership training. As expected, nothing came of it. Simply because one has to suspect the visible lard on some made it impractical even to the most positively minded military trainers. Seriously though, what are your sources?

      Ben - 2012-02-26 20:28

      Ntsabiseng, my birth certificate is old, I am not and will never go to an old age home. I share your sentiments. I have one problem though. When Afriforum spoke out against camps, they only mentioned one camp, a white camp. This promotes racism of which I want no part.

      craigtjames - 2012-02-26 20:37

      Ben, in your response to nthabi - don't you think that Afriforum (who is constantly fighting any form of bias) only referred this this camp as it was relevant at the time. After all, they have taken action on numerous occasions and taken people to task for hate speech, etc.

      Stephanie - 2012-02-26 23:22

      Ben i really don't mind the boys getting training in how to defend there families, but i do take issue with the fools stupid comments. They don't represent the majority of us and someone should give that man the hiding he deserve for being stupid.

      Bianca-Anne - 2012-02-27 09:09

      Not all Afrikaner kids are racist and not all ANCYL members are militant ... it is rather foolish to generilise in this manner. You will always get little groups that give the bigger groups a bad name. Zion, I don't support your view here - I know Afrikaner Kids that are rude and even worse - these days the Youth black and white have no respect due to being poisoned by adults. And then again they grew up with a sense of entitlement. Look at those crazy youngsters of Welkom, that killed Michael. They were just rotten. Rotten youth has nothing to do with colour or political views. Lets not generalise. Adults that train these kids to be racists and haters, they should be prosecuted - no matter which side of black and white.

      Merven - 2012-02-27 09:20

      @Cracker http://mg.co.za/article/2010-05-14-military-training-on-the-cards-for-ancyl-leaders

      Zion - 2012-02-27 09:50

      Bianca, Ok Bianca: That is all very nice and well said. What I am implying here is the probability of the ANCYL burning a railway carriage and looting shops is very, very much greater than the Afrikaner youth doing the same in any form of congregation or singly.

      Zion - 2012-02-27 09:52

      Just for the record, Bianca, in no way do I support the ANCYL or this so-called commando, or for that matter, any group with racist 9intentions or attitudes.

      looneylani - 2012-02-27 11:33

      I love the passion each person has on NEWS24... but why not divert that passion and energy towards good? Help your fellow South Africans that are in need... come up with solutions... Stand up for unity and peace!

      Funani - 2012-02-27 13:29

      AfriForum is right in condemning the existence of such a camp of s-holes. Many like Ben-S think they must critisize every camp, I disagree. If there are other camps which preach white supremacy or the supremacy of any other race over another, then I bet AfriForum would also condemn them... but you can't just condemn for the sake of condemning. @Ben-S... if you or anyone you know have facts about any other camps/groups that are preaching racial supremacy come out with the facts.... PLEASE

      Pieter - 2012-02-28 11:16

      These white 'boys' don't need to be taught to hate the ANC. They are pretty adept at doing that themselves together with their cacophony of mass media support. The ANC's racist and neo-nazi affirmative action laws places a yellow star on the breast of every white person, which bars them from the economy and kills the Afrikaners with a state-induced famine. The majority of the black masses's silence together with the silence of the ANC's propaganda machine in the SABC about the genocidal mutilations and hours long torture of whites before they are finally murdered, is seen by every white person. The biggest mistake the ANC has made is thinking that if they declare these murders of whites a secret, nobody will notice, and nobody will interpret what is going on. Any black man that has not yet burned his identity book in protest against these laws and murders, is part of problem, because of their silence, they are the biggest number of de-facto supporters and approvers of this white genocide. Every black man that eats at night with food bought from an affirmative action paypacket and job, are participants of this genocide of whites, since they have taken the food of the table of better qualified and able person. This whole practice of discrimination and killing of whites, is appalling to Nelson Mandela, who at the Rivonia trial said: "I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination" "What I want is a country without any discrimination"

      Jou - 2012-02-28 19:05

      Afriforum has just proved a saying..."Die wit mense kannie saam staan nie".

      Boeretroos - 2012-02-28 23:00

      Ag nee Afriforum - What are you thinking Kallie ?

  • Luvo - 2012-02-26 18:59

    Great of Afriforum to come out against this despicable deed. All efforts should rather be made towards ensuring unity in this country rather than entertaining divisive initiatives.

      mariuskowie - 2012-02-26 19:29

      I fully agree with Agriforum condemning the kommando camp. I ask Agriforum to lay criminal charges against Zuma for his use of hate speech.

      craigtjames - 2012-02-26 19:45

      I totally agree that this is a despicable deed. When the black people do this, we condemn them, but it is ok for white people to retaliate with such brainless ideas. And we are the ones saying black people have no brains and are stupid. Wow, we are certainly the clever race!!!! I just cannot believe this.

      cosmos.ndebele - 2012-02-26 20:33

      Craig u ar smart & very smart individual indeed.

      Pieter - 2012-02-28 11:18

      These white 'boys' don't need to be taught to hate the ANC. They are pretty adept at doing that themselves together with their cacophony of mass media support. The ANC's racist and neo-nazi affirmative action laws places a yellow star on the breast of every white person, which bars them from the economy and kills the Afrikaners with a state-induced famine. The majority of the black masses's silence together with the silence of the ANC's propaganda machine in the SABC about the genocidal mutilations and hours long torture of whites before they are finally murdered, is seen by every white person. The biggest mistake the ANC has made is thinking that if they declare these murders of whites a secret, nobody will notice, and nobody will interpret what is going on. Any black man that has not yet burned his identity book in protest against these laws and murders, is part of problem, because of their silence, they are the biggest number of de-facto supporters and approvers of this white genocide. Every black man that eats at night with food bought from an affirmative action paypacket and job, are participants of this genocide of whites, since they have taken the food of the table of better qualified and able person. This whole practice of discrimination and killing of whites, is appalling to Nelson Mandela, who at the Rivonia trial said: "I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination" "What I want is a country without any discrimination"

  • Sinudeity - 2012-02-26 19:16

    "was training teenage boys to hate black people." Not much different from how Malema and certain other elements that are teaching to hate white people.

      Ben - 2012-02-26 19:24

      What Malema advocated in his hate speeches became a reality. Hate speeches should be condemned, but not the right of any person to defend himself.

      Mandu Ngcobo - 2012-02-26 19:59

      Yes, let's just perpetuate ignorance. Seriously, is there any hope for humanity?

      Iza - 2012-02-26 20:33

      Ben S...you reckon this is a camp to learn to defend yourself?...just the opposite of Malema...no difference. If they teach them to hate, what is that different to hatespeech? If you want to learn to defend yourself...take karate lessons...not racism lessons..

      Vaal-Donkie - 2012-02-27 08:39

      You cannot round-house kick a bullet.

      Vaal-Donkie - 2012-02-27 10:59

      I'd like to challenge the two people who gave me a thumbs down to prove me wrong.

      Pieter - 2012-02-28 11:20

      Those words were NEVER mentioned at any training camp. Those are the words of the journalists themselves. How should Afrikaners react to their perpetual genocide through various force-mulipliers by their fifth generation, and assimetric enemies, that kills them on sight ? Self defence is a god-given right, not so?

  • reginald.dube - 2012-02-26 19:23

    then we can comment? news24 is a joke.

      Ronald - 2012-02-26 20:34

      Reginald, I agree with you. When the reports appeared on News 24 I posted comments and really enjoyed and appreciated the sentiments of the posts for a while as it indicated that the broad spectrum of readers on this forum condemned this situation. And then we were muzzled with no comment section. Only now with this watered down version are we again allowed to comment. How can readers keep an open mind when the media itself muzzles us. How can they have the gall to complain about the new proposed Secrecy bill if they act in a similar way?

      Moss - 2012-02-27 09:04

      What i have learn on news24 is that,they publish a lot of crime story that affect whites,Bad story about black and leave comment section open for the whole week. Thus why most white in these forum are of opinion that crime affect them ONLY while us black we live in a crime free environment,OF WHICH IS Flase Editor of news24.must learn to report a balance andfair new everyday.....

      Byron - 2012-02-27 12:05

      @Moss - why? They are only doing what has proven to generate hits and please their advertisers. If the visitors change their behaviour, it will be web suicide for them not to change their revenue generating content to adapt to this change. They are only doing what works, and what works at the moment are stories of farm attacks and the what you've mentioned, in generating activity for their advertisers. The moderation also assists in completing the painted picture in removing selected commentary that might affect their business.

  • hwpienaar - 2012-02-26 19:28

    Camps like this must be declared unlawful and participants must be arrested!

      Stephanie - 2012-02-26 23:33

      I have not problem with the camps, it teaches dissipline that is sorely laking in todays youth and also teaches them team work something we as adults seem to be getting wrong on so many levels. I however do have the problem with the crap being spewed by the idiot in charge. They need to remove those people and let real instructors teach the boys. I am all for learning to defend yourself and family in a country of which the police are over run and unable to defend the people. I think self defence should be a school subject for girls as they are mostly the victims of physical abuse. Learning to fight doesn't mean you are going to fight, but rather safe than sorry.

  • Anton - 2012-02-26 19:32

    What is the point of criticizing AfriForum for trying to save the image of Afrikaners by going off about how some black youths are also trained to hate whites? Those who train the black youths to hate whites or those who incite them, like Malema, are wrong. But such wrongfulness does not take away the exact same wrongfulness of these Afrikaner camp leaders. As the saying goes: you can't have your cake and eat it too. One can't complain about racist black people but then at the same time refuse to condemn racist whites. One must ask yourself; are you against racism when you moan and groan about the likes of Malema (which nearly all white people who comment here regularly invarialbly do), or are you just against racist black people? I say "Bravo Afriforum!", I appreciate your stance on the matter.

      Pat Bopilo - 2012-02-26 20:28

      Sure

      craigtjames - 2012-02-26 20:32

      Anton, your response is on the button - but unfortunately (look at thumbs down)we want to condemn, but cannot stand to be condemned when we do exactly the same thing. Our little educated race - strange........

  • Modipi Ngulube - 2012-02-26 19:34

    The more things change the more they stay the same. Lol so the parents of these children sent them to a camp to unleash their hatred for blacks? Ja ne life in our country gets even more weird by the day. How much does the guy charge for this camp? I just wonder how of the racists that like commenting on this site sent any of their kids there. Ai afrikaaners must a chauvinistic cultural group why isn't there one for the girls, what happened to equality? Lol this is just hilarious

      Merven - 2012-02-27 07:38

      Well, if you think about it, all these kids will be victims of BEE and AA. Didn't somebody form the ANC once said that black can not be racist because it is justified by apartheid crimes? So how is this different?

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-27 09:10

      Merven you are singularly lacking on the brain front. Makes sense...racists of all races are stupid people. They are simply unable to deal with complexity...and the world is, unfortunately for people like you, complex. It is understandable when a two year old who has been given a 80 metres head start in a 100 metres race shouts I win... I win. But when an adult does this, it is plain pathetic.I should admire your courage though for putting yourself out there when each time you do so you spout unadulterated rubbish. Anton and Craigjames..hats of to you for not sucumbing to the lure of white racism and victimhood that seems to sustain the majority of whites that post comments on this site. Scary people. And I will continue to strongly encourage such people to look for a happy life elsewhere. Europe, North America, Australia and Newzealand awaits. In these countries there would be no need for commando camps...and your hatred of black people might not be so consuming. What are you waiting for...liberate yourselves.

      Merven - 2012-02-27 09:27

      'It is understandable when a two year old who has been given a 80 metres head start in a 100 metres race shouts I win... I win.' That is exactly what AA is, you are given a 80% head start and then you think you've won (but if you started at the start, you just would never be good enough to make the race). Clearly you are one of the AA idiots.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-27 09:33

      Good. This time you actually responded to my posting instead of deleting it. A step in the right direction.

      Merven - 2012-02-27 10:11

      'This time you actually responded to my posting instead of deleting it.' Who are you talking to, because no one can delete you posts except yourself or N24.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-27 15:07

      Merven The logic behind AA and BEE is rigthing the wrongs of the past...more than a century of laws that ensured that Black people were underdeveloped. Up till 1994 the state spent an average of 350% more on a white child than on a black child. This is hardly 18 years ago. This underdevelopment was legalised and enforced through acts such as the job reservation acts, the bantu education act, the various land acts. It was ensured, for over a century, that blacks and whites did not have the same level playing field. Throughout the century the white social group ammssed social, economic and other other capital that today results in white households earning on average R69 680 per year, compared to R6 979 for Africans, R13 213 for Coloureds and R24 707 for Asians. The Labour Force survey also shows that the unemployment rate for whites is 5.1 percent, 29.8 percent for Africans, 22.3 percent for Coloureds and 8.6 percent for Asians. Now...by 80metres head start I mean all these laws passed for over a century that legislated against black people owning land, blakc people operating businesses except in the Townships, black people being barred from accessing proper education. When a white person comes to me and says white people are skilled because they work hard, they are clever they are ect I laugh and laugh because had that been the case there would have been no need for such a plethora of laws designed to keep black people out of the game. Read your history.

      Merven - 2012-02-28 15:40

      I know my history, but how is two wrongs making one right? This is just breeding a new form of racism and hate between races.

  • Johan Stoltz - 2012-02-26 19:36

    Why should we care what Afriforum's opinion on this story is? They have proved time and again that they are just another political entity that thrives on and exploits the fears of Afrikaners. A foreigner with absolutely no knowledge of our history and current climate will tell you that these camps are a bad idea. Where do News24 get their "journalists"? North Korea?

  • Modipi Ngulube - 2012-02-26 19:37

    The more things change the more they stay the same. Lol so the parents of these children sent them to a camp to unleash their hatred for blacks? Ja ne life in our country gets even more weird by the day. How much does the guy charge for this camp? I just wonder how of the racists that like commenting on this site sent any of their kids there. Ai afrikaaners must a chauvinistic cultural group why isn't there one for the girls, what happened to equality? Lol this is just hilarious

  • Lucky Manaswe - 2012-02-26 19:42

    Racism is still alive, I thought it was dying but I realized we are just concealing it. When will this black and white krap gonna end?

      Rippedtulle - 2012-02-26 19:57

      When every South African stops seeing him or herself in terms of skin colour and seeing ourselves as South African. Then this will end. There are about 700 000 fringe idiots, population is 48 million - roughly. The power is in the hand of the people not the fringe.

      Stephanie - 2012-02-26 23:37

      hahah only when we can shut up all the idiots who stir the pot and create racial tension like Malema and this rightwinger. I think they both need a 2 by 4 to the backside for a vigorous spanking till they listen to the majority of people in SA.

      Nicola Erasmus - 2012-02-27 02:47

      Rippedtulle has a point. The media blows all these stories of fringe groups way out of per portion.

      Merven - 2012-02-27 07:42

      ' When will this black and white krap gonna end?' When we finally got a political party in charge that treat people equal. I think open minded youngsters must get together of all races and start a political party unaffected by the people of the old days.

  • Rippedtulle - 2012-02-26 19:50

    Treason, child abuse, hate speech. Afriforum took a while to reply it must have taken them a huge amount of discussion. These camps should be shut down. All camps who are hating militant and in contradiction of the constitution should be prosecuted. Arguing in terms of black and white is stupid but to argue as a nation creates the gravity and the push needed not to have fringe idiots of any colour cause disruption.

  • Vegi - 2012-02-26 20:00

    Instead of these rightwingers using their resources to train for resistance in our lands, I suggest they use their resources in a manner that will be mutually beneficial to both them and us. They must train and go to Europe to claim their ancestral lands. Blacks who steal our resources in the form of education and medical care and then go and work in Europe should be forcible ejected from that continent to come back and render the services for which they were educated. I am glad that some African Americans don't take kindly to Africans flocking to America. They should be turned back kicking and screaching. I am tired of feeding (through my taxes) parasites who then go overseas to feather their own nests, oblivious to the plight of the poor communities that spared no resources to educate them in the hope that they will plough back.

      Stephanie - 2012-02-26 23:40

      I got were i am on skills not a university education, that i am obtaining overseas. Most of the people going are electrians, plumber and the ilk. There skills are wanted overseas and they have a right to work and compete on equal footing for work and thats what they are doing. I love SA but i work overseas and only visit these days. Sad but true.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 11:18

      Vegi is a whole new level of stupid.

  • flysouth - 2012-02-26 20:02

    This must be investigated fully and appropriate action taken - but then so must the ANCYL 'training' camps which are also militarised it appears - along with Malema's hate speech against whites ("they are all thieves - they have stolen the land") and any other incident of racial hate speech.

  • Traygon - 2012-02-26 20:02

    If the ANC did half a good job running this country, racists like these would not have "evidence" for their argument. They point and say "See, I told you so". Its sad that all black people are being let down by ANC greed and corruption and have to deal with the kommando camp graduates...

      Ntokozo V Zwane - 2012-02-26 20:11

      ANC aside, there no excuse for this just call it like it is. A few Afrikaners clinging on to the ideals of apartheid and teachin a new generation, there is no excuse for this PERIOD.

      Mike Bertino - 2012-02-27 00:53

      Ok anc is corrupt, not efficient etc, what about the apartheid government??? How many people got rich of that regime..its funny how y'all forgot that...you complain to much, every government in the world has some corrupt.

      Merven - 2012-02-27 07:46

      'every government in the world has some corrupt.' There is a huge difference between 'some corrupt' and 98% corrupt. Hell, this government is so corrupt, they even wants to mime the media from telling about their corruption.

      Byron - 2012-02-27 13:37

      oh ... so the reasons for the skinheads in germany are as a result of good governance?

  • kseyffert - 2012-02-26 20:13

    The truth is that this always happens. Today in SA it's Afrikaner fringe groups. In the US, UK and Canada it's Muslim fringe groups. No matter where you go in the world, this will always happen. I am not sure what that sais about us as people but there it is.

      Hugo - 2012-02-26 21:36

      also kkk in US

  • Kaddy - 2012-02-26 20:24

    It does not matter how politically correct or incorrect it is, you cannot cheat Darwin

      Hugo - 2012-02-26 21:37

      yes Kaddie that is so intellectual

      Guus Van Der Got - 2012-02-26 22:24

      Ermm I think you just did

      Mike Bertino - 2012-02-27 00:50

      Lol wow you so stupid its funny, I can see how you're superior lol

  • Ina - 2012-02-26 20:39

    There is enough hate in this country without us TEACHING our children to hate. If this is indeed what is being taught at those camps, then we should strongly condemn it, but at the same time, also condemn the ANCYL for instilling hatred in the black children (or young people) for white people.

      craigtjames - 2012-02-26 20:41

      It goes both ways Ramona - you are right

  • Kagiso Tlhakung - 2012-02-26 20:39

    Its only white ppl forming these hate groups not blacks. Black ppl forgave these oppresors and we are always trying to build a rainbow nation on our own. White Afrikaners are so ungrateful and lyk being superior, they still wave the old flag and teach their children to hate and undermine us. Equality court is useless it should be dealing with such camps and the one in Pretoria and Orania.

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-26 20:49

      The black hate group is called ANCYL.

      Hugo - 2012-02-26 21:38

      I am yet to see a ' black camp' of this sort.Saying the ANCYL is a hate-whites party is not true at all

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-27 01:01

      Hugo - Saying they dont promote the hatred of white people is not true at all. Nice picture of an AK-47 you have there by the way.

      Hugo - 2012-02-27 07:01

      Sinudeity,what does a kalashnikov have to do with this,want to create the impression that you are under siege because I have a pic of an AK,pathetic man.Are u suggesting that I am a YL member and hate whites and therefore have an AK pic presumably in prep for a race war,nonsense.Some of us had the pleasure of never hating any racial grouping.My affiliation is political not racial.If you want to believe politically active black males are out to hate,fine with me.Btw,my love for the AK is simply because of its elegant eng design compared to its more pompous colleagues like the R4/5.guns are not the problem,humans are.

      Merven - 2012-02-27 07:50

      Hugo you idiot, the ANCYL got military training from the SADF just a while ago, and listening to their songs, just as racist as these people.

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-27 07:52

      @ Kagiso you are so right and you know what else being on the news24 website and seeing exactly what the whites in this country are has shattered my rose cloloured glasses.White people have never been ineterested in reconciliation they dont care,so personally I dont care either any more if push comes to shove then we probably will aave a civil war ,let them train their kids to hate us we can do nothing about it but i'm glad that we know about this so we can also protect ourselves.Afrikaners have a warped sense of reality and no amount of reasoning will change that. They are the only group of people on this planet that perceive Madiba as a terrorist so clearly all they want is war and that's all they ever wanted.

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-27 08:00

      Elle-Black - So, you are equating the action of a tiny group of right-wingers to the entire white population of South Africa? If I generalise the same, I can say that all black people are rapists.

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-27 08:11

      @ Sinudeity generalize away dude it wont make a difference you were probably thinking it anyways. I just wish more black people could have access to this site in order for them to realize what a grave mistake it would be to vote for the DA. For instance my uncle he is an avid DA supporter but i bet if he logged onto this site daily he might see the dangers of supporting the DA.i believe most of the whites on site are DA supportes and their attitude says a lot.

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-27 08:23

      Elle-Black - "generalize away dude it wont make a difference you were probably thinking it anyways." Not at all. Im merely trying to show you how shallow your thinking is. Trying to equate the actions of 0.001% of the people onto the entire population. Tell your uncle to go read the comments on Sowetan, from mostly black commentators and most likely ANC supporters. It will reinforce his support for the DA.

      Merven - 2012-02-27 08:44

      Lol Elle, you are not very clever are you, there are many more parties whites join other than the DA, and then many also choose not to vote.

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-27 09:37

      @ Merven LOL and you are? I know that that there are white people in other politica l parties other than the DA but judging by the comments here the majority are DA supporters and supportes of the idea of white supremecy

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 10:41

      So Elle, have you been the the Sowetan website yet and read the comments by blacks yet?? And you think whites are racist... hahahahha!!! You being very selective in your accusations!

      Hugo - 2012-02-27 12:26

      @Merven,SADF was disbanded in 1994,so you are either lying or terminally insane

      Merven - 2012-02-27 13:31

      SADF stands for South African Defence Force. Now you will come with the idiotic 'National', guess what, the Defence Force has always been national. Stop trying to change the subject. http://mg.co.za/article/2010-05-14-military-training-on-the-cards-for-ancyl-leaders

      Byron - 2012-02-27 13:43

      @Sinudeity - So, you are equating the action of a tiny group of right-wingers sorry ANCYL members to the entire white sorry black population of South Africa?

      Hugo - 2012-02-27 14:14

      Merven millitary training on the cards?did it ever take place? SANDF and SADF are very different in structure and policy.However you feel about 'National' you should include it .otherwise you will confuse a lot of people. care to tell where and when that training took place.

  • Do-me - 2012-02-26 20:51

    kick dose pipple out of de country, sholy we dont need dem!

  • Tlhogi Tsae - 2012-02-26 21:41

    Funny how we blacks we being raised to respect and love people of all races and white afrikaners r doing an opposite. Is only us blacks who we want to reconcile while white afrikaners are not. And when I recall, is them who did wrong to the black nation!! Sies on those camps and their teachings. It shows the white afrikaners' barbarism and backwardness, who behave like that in this time and age??

      Irene - 2012-02-26 21:48

      Funny how Juliearse and the ANCYL weren't raised like you say you were.

      Merven - 2012-02-27 07:54

      'Is only us blacks who we want to reconcile' So true Tlhogi, 'kill the boer' songs is real reconciliation.

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-27 07:56

      @ Tlhogi it doesnt end with those camps my love all you need to do is log onto this site to see what the afrikaners are made of, they feel entitled to things becuase of their skin colour. I think black South Africans need to do everything in our power to keep the DA out of power w,we've seen what sort of people align themselves with the party.

      Merven - 2012-02-27 08:46

      Elle, you are just another black racist, nothing better than these Right wingers.

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-27 10:46

      merven not at all,i'm just awakening from the dream reconciliation, you can only reconcile with someone who is interested in doing so,and it would seem that most whites in SA have no interest for example some of you may not personally type something racist and contravercial but you wait for the one idiot who's high on brandy and coke to do so and within seconds the racist comment has about 500 thumbs up,where did those come from? definately not from people who do not log on to the site.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-27 11:20

      @Elle, most whites? So, you have spoken to 4 million white people then... Oh wait, ah, you judging by the News24 comments, of course! How silly of me, I forget that the News24 comments section is representative of the ENTIRE white population, tut tut, how could I be so stupid!

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-27 12:21

      @ popintblank let's not sugar coat this, fact is the majority of the views on news24 represents exactly how white people really feel,If you say something racist and get 500 thumbs up for it,then yes i would believe that the general majority of you guys are racist because i can only imagine that you have friends and family who probably feel the same way,you see where i'm going with this?

      Merven - 2012-02-27 13:35

      Well Elle, with that point of view, looking at the Sowetan forums the majority of blacks are farm murderers and rapists.

  • Petrus Lefras Uys Coetzee - 2012-02-26 21:43

    The left and the right must balance each other. As long as they do not break any law.

  • fredan.kirsten - 2012-02-26 22:28

    Any group of people who are being victimized wil try and defend themselves.These are the signs of the times we live in and we have the government to blame for this .

  • Guus Van Der Got - 2012-02-26 22:29

    Denounce stupidity so that you can get over your hate for darker skin pigmentation. Without our skin we are all equally unattractive.

      Pieter - 2012-02-28 11:16

      These white 'boys' don't need to be taught to hate the ANC. They are pretty adept at doing that themselves together with their cacophony of mass media support. The ANC's racist and neo-nazi affirmative action laws places a yellow star on the breast of every white person, which bars them from the economy and kills the Afrikaners with a state-induced famine. The majority of the black masses's silence together with the silence of the ANC's propaganda machine in the SABC about the genocidal mutilations and hours long torture of whites before they are finally murdered, is seen by every white person. The biggest mistake the ANC has made is thinking that if they declare these murders of whites a secret, nobody will notice, and nobody will interpret what is going on. Any black man that has not yet burned his identity book in protest against these laws and murders, is part of problem, because of their silence, they are the biggest number of de-facto supporters and approvers of this white genocide. Every black man that eats at night with food bought from an affirmative action paypacket and job, are participants of this genocide of whites, since they have taken the food of the table of better qualified and able person. This whole practice of discrimination and killing of whites, is appalling to Nelson Mandela, who at the Rivonia trial said: "I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination" "What I want is a country without any discrimination"

  • tinaanddanie - 2012-02-26 22:32

    I for one have most certainly lost all respect for Afriforum.

  • Nicola Erasmus - 2012-02-27 03:07

    The sensationalism of this story is making me sick now. So while a few thousand is preparing for some kind of race war that's coming, or raging or whatever, there's 40 MILLION plus citizens like me who doesn't give a...fudge. Stop trying to devide us, damnit!

  • Kgomotso Cooli Kilogram Hlahla - 2012-02-27 05:38

    its only just a matter of time till they all start showing their true colours...same all same all!

  • jeremy002 - 2012-02-27 06:14

    The "old guard" of ex SADF national servicemen (of which I am one) and Permanent Force members are all in their 40's, 50's & 60's and even 70's now. Many of us look upon the current SANDF as a bit of a joke, an AIDS nest, and mere a shadow of the military that we used to know, despite all it's short comings and excesses. (However the excesses of the old SADF pale into insignificance when compared with what the old SAP were capable of). Some had very bad experiences during their national service and subsequent camps, and will never look back with any fondness. So be it. On the other hand, many ordinary SA citizens lived in terror of the SADF because they were the strong arm of the apartheid regime. Many across our borders where MK training camps were based also feared a raid from the SADF. Not all lived in terror or fear of the SADF, but what is true is that they commanded respect as a body. They commanded respect internationally as well. Now a lot of these highly trained ex national servicemen and permanent force members are still out there. I think the current regime is all too aware of this and they get very uncomfortable when they hear we might be training up again. (Remember the De La Ray song - ha, ha?)I personally have often wondered whether this might become necessary one day, given the rhetoric of the ANCYL and others, plus the genocide which has already begun against the farming community. However, we must never teach our children to hate, only to defend themselves.

  • Onke Tshaka - 2012-02-27 07:42

    to hell with idiots like u Sechaba, white people will always think we idiots when we have fools like u who just open their mouths and sh#t comes out...you need to grow up dude and stop blaming white people for everything. there will always be a few idiot white people just like there will always be black idiots like u

  • TenRas1 - 2012-02-27 07:57

    And WTF is this? Are we suppose to train humans to hate?

  • Sanele - 2012-02-27 08:53

    Like Chris Rock said, racism will never die. It will only multiply.

  • Pur - 2012-02-27 08:56

    The old "call up" for military service in the previous era taught youngsters some discipline and respect for others of different language, education and social class. It brought boys together and turned them into men. I would think that the same thing now would do a tremendous amount of good in bringing boys of different races together to learn mutual respect and improve cross-cultural understanding. Pity we don't do that now. Preaching hatred is no solution for the future. Every race has many good people and a few bad people. We have to live with that, but I really wish we could focus more in the good people.

  • Matthew - 2012-02-27 09:02

    Ok...so tis fine to the ANC and the ANCYL to have military training camps but as soon as Afriforum gets going on it,just case we have to defend ourtselves,then theres this big outcry? either stop all camps or shut up. there's no tit for tat,nor one or the other.you either leave both sides,or make both sides take down the camps

  • Shaun Fortmann - 2012-02-27 09:05

    us.altermedia.info/news-of-interest-to-white-people/blacks-and-whites-differ-in-brain-size-and-intelligence_5931.html

      Byron - 2012-02-27 14:29

      I'll encourage this line of thinking only if it makes you feel better about yourself .. you poor baby, shame

  • Paula - 2012-02-27 09:19

    If all the"colours" in the rainbow is clashing slowly but surely the rainbow is going to be wiped out by thunderstorms.Not all blacks are dumb,or criminals or rapist(even if there are some in parliment)not all of them are the same.Which does not make all afrikaaners racist...The stigma will hang when birds of feather flock together...

  • Philip - 2012-02-27 09:27

    Again ..... News 24 publishing some more PROPOGANDA !!!

  • max.rapea - 2012-02-27 10:21

    Racism has no place in this country,the man is a loser. The leader of this so called Kommandokorps should be isolated from people and live in the bushes.

  • Jean - 2012-02-27 10:36

    You guys are there arguing about race while others get fat...there is never any debate of substance on this forum. ONLY black and white talk. So boring. I wish everyone could put their energy in building this nation. This is what the world has become...mxm..

  • looneylani - 2012-02-27 10:41

    When I was a kid... my best friends were black - my mom was ridiculed for letting us play with black kids. When I was a teenager I dated a coloured guy - I was mocked and thrown to the ground, with grass and sand thrown in my hair and suitcase. When I was in my 20's I moved to the UK and was called a "Dumb African" and that I am poor because I come from a 3rd World country. Here I am today... back in SA. Not because I came back tail between my legs... but because I know what I have in SA. It's my country, I was born here and I love everything about it. Why can't you people do the same... let go of the past!

  • Tanie - 2012-02-27 11:03

    'The boys - aged between 13 and 19 - were told that black people were the most under-developed, barbaric members of the human race. The boys heard that blacks had a smaller cerebral cortex and therefore could not use their initiative or govern properly' Ironically they have just made a group of whites to be underdeveloped,barbaric members of human race, reduced their cerebral cortex and won't be able to govern properly ever.LOL 'THIS' sub-human species.

  • EyesEars - 2012-02-27 12:09

    At the end of the day, people need to face reality. All sides are hurting deeply and the scars will NEVER heal. Stories will go on from generation to generation, which will keep the fires of hatred alive. Although people want nothing to do with colonasation, it will eventually become one of the things that will happen. Specially for those who want to live in peace, others will be "left outside" to "deal" with their anger, but for those it will not be a happy ending. Start facing reality and start accepting the truth rather than trying to hide it. That is the only way ANY "Nation" can go forward.

  • Mohsin - 2012-02-27 12:16

    The simple solution to the problem is re-instating the commandos as a para-military unit

  • Sean - 2012-02-27 12:47

    Oh that's the first

  • Nigel - 2012-02-27 13:01

    just because the ANCYL act like racist thugs, it doesn't mean that Kommandokorps should be formed, 2 wrongs don't make a right, send them back to school & teach them to accept all races, don't stoop to the level of the YL

  • Pixie86 - 2012-02-27 16:22

    i swear, a large number of racist afrikaaners are giving afrikaaners a bad name!

  • Pixie86 - 2012-02-27 16:29

    for goodness' sake can't you people just let go? No matter how hard you try to convince yourselves about this superior white, inferior black it will never be! Let go, both black and white and just co-exist

  • Pieter - 2012-02-28 11:14

    These white 'boys' don't need to be taught to hate the ANC. They are pretty adept at doing that themselves together with their cacophony of mass media support. The ANC's racist and neo-nazi affirmative action laws places a yellow star on the breast of every white person, which bars them from the economy and kills the Afrikaners with a state-induced famine. The majority of the black masses's silence together with the silence of the ANC's propaganda machine in the SABC about the genocidal mutilations and hours long torture of whites before they are finally murdered, is seen by every white person. The biggest mistake the ANC has made is thinking that if they declare these murders of whites a secret, nobody will notice, and nobody will interpret what is going on. Any black man that has not yet burned his identity book in protest against these laws and murders, is part of problem, because of their silence, they are the biggest number of de-facto supporters and approvers of this white genocide. Every black man that eats at night with food bought from an affirmative action paypacket and job, are participants of this genocide of whites, since they have taken the food of the table of better qualified and able person. This whole practice of discrimination and killing of whites, is appalling to Nelson Mandela, who at the Rivonia trial said: "I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination" "What I want is a country without any discrimination"

  • roguewrecker - 2012-03-01 08:34

    I SAY AWAY WITH BLACK AND WHITE... LET THE HUMANE RULE :)

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