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Afrikaans under threat in languages bill

2012-02-02 10:45

Cape Town - The status of Afrikaans as an official language in state departments is at risk if the latest version of the South African languages bill is passed.

Even in provinces where it is the language mainly spoken by residents, such as the Western Cape and Northern Cape, national state departments will have to use three languages - of which two have to be previously disadvantaged African languages.

This will mean that the state department will have to choose between Afrikaans and English to use alongside the two disadvantaged African languages.

In the transitional constitution it was determined that no language may be in a weaker position than before, but that stipulation was not included in the Constitution of 1996.

Debate


The bill has not yet been finalised. It is still being debated by the parliamentary portfolio committee on arts and culture and the DA on Wednesday indicated it would obtain legal advice on the matter.

“I am convinced that it will not pass the constitutional test. No language may be excluded,” said DA MP Dr Annelie Lotriet.

She said this clause could see Afrikaans being left out of the language policy. “The language spoken by most residents in a province could be excluded if departments choose English as the default language. It is worrying.”

ANC committee chairperson, Thandi Sunduza, who has on several occasions expressed her irritation about state departments using mainly English when only 8% of the population were mother tongue English speakers, said: “So what do we now do with Afrikaans? Our aim is precisely to promote our other African languages.”

Only two provincial governments, the Western Cape and Limpopo, have their own language laws.

More than three languages possible

Director general of arts and culture, Sibusiso Xaba, said the bill specified that state departments could use more than the minimum of three languages. Afrikaans could therefore easily be included.

ATKV chairperson professor Danny Titus said: “You can’t just take away people’s rights. That would be foolish.”

The committee will meet again on February 15 to further debate the bill.

Comments
  • Bardy - 2012-02-02 10:51

    Make the Western Cape independent! We don't need the ANC here!

      Zulumfana - 2012-02-02 11:47

      No Bardy it can not be done, rather relocate to Orania in the Northern Cape.I am 110% sure that you will have your independence there for now unless ANC(majority) decide otherwise.

      paulmandlankosi - 2012-02-02 11:55

      It's not you Bardy commenting, it is the Durbanville Hill grapes trying to make you smart

      stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-02-02 12:20

      Now you're talking! Make an appointment with Helen Zille.

      Zulumfana - 2012-02-02 12:48

      @Pierre you are right, I am the 'factory fault' created by the system you favoured and ANC is at work trying to amend that and am proud to the fact that my 'loose or broken' english is making ends meat and allowing me to compete at your so perceived 'superior' level. There is no way the views of the minority be an alternative over a majority of this country.

      Elton - 2012-02-02 13:01

      Yes Bardy it can be done. If the majority of people (white, coloured and black) living in a certain area want to government themselves, it is democratically legal.

      Stan - 2012-02-02 14:24

      Keep dreaming. Never going to happen. Unless of course the western cape defense force is willing to fight and lose

      superkruger - 2012-02-02 14:27

      All this talk about minority vs majority... C'mon people, just because you're the majority, it doesn't everyone elses opinions wrong. If a 1000 people told you to jump off a cliff, and 1 cautioned you not to, would you do it?

      Ruan - 2012-02-02 16:33

      WESTERN CAPE INDEPENDENCE ,without the DA,,indeed very possible and beleive you me it is on our cards at the moment,there will be a great trek south this time,the anc said in the 70s they were going to drive us back to the sea where we came from,let them have the gold,the Republic of the Western Cape will survive on tourism as it already supports all the other broken down provinces tourism infastructures,we have koeberg power and one of the largest natural water catchments in the world,in late 1998 the anc actually looked at making the WC an independent state,we will then rid the WC of all illegals and undersirables which includes eastern cape lazy trash that gets bussed to the WC every month by the anc to squat here for the next vote

      spacepirate - 2012-02-03 09:41

      zulumfana it seems you forgot what happend many years back when the old coverment kept on pushing for apartheid do you remember what you did your history,you where fighting for equal rights so what happend what does your equal rights mean seeing you know all please inlightend me umfana.........

      Jayson - 2012-02-03 09:52

      @Bardy, I have a better idea, why dont you go back to Europe. This is Africa you chop

  • JakesLR - 2012-02-02 10:57

    Previous disadvantaged language must make space for a previously advantaged language. Wow, what are they going to come up with next?? Does the Afrikaans language really stand any change in this ruling? Why don't they just openly confirm what their intensions are, we are not stupid.

      fraser.gilchrist - 2012-02-02 11:08

      Yes we are Jakes. We have let them become powerful enough to change any law or create any law at a whim. We let the ruling party get away with murder and we allow corruption run rife. We can see their intentions yes, but I'm sorry to say we are stupid. We as a nation have led ourselves to slaughter at the hands of a few greedy politicians who's only contribution to the New SA was fighting for their chance at a new house and fancy Land Rover. The Mandela's of the country are gone. The scavengers are here and it is our fault.

      Jack - 2012-02-03 17:53

      I don't see why we can't put all the previously dis/advantaged crap behind us. If it happened previously, then too bad. That being said, SA needs to be a little more realistic where language is concerned. Most economically successful countries have one dominant language. I think it's great that most people from SA can speak more than one language, but let's choose one for everyone to know, regardless of the past. Let's make it a democratic decision - make a referendum if needs be - we must choose one!

  • Liesl - 2012-02-02 11:03

    I believe the State department should cater for the languages spoken in a region not what they like or don't like.

      ludlowdj - 2012-02-02 14:31

      Precisely, schooling should be in the home language of the learner and a second language of choice should be used as was done prior to democracy.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-02-02 17:00

      they should remove all languages and just use binary then no-one can complain

  • rashied.wilkinson - 2012-02-02 11:03

    Nou krap hulle waar diti jik nie...

      Wim - 2012-02-02 11:59

      Jy praat nou 'n groot waarheid my broer.

      Snoopsy - 2012-02-02 14:47

      AFRIKAANS VIR EWIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      lucas.coetzer - 2012-02-03 12:39

      Wel gese daar BROER, Jayson jy verstaan seker nie n woord AFRIKAANS nie, Wats jou storie dan tjom.

      Max - 2012-02-03 15:40

      @ Gayson ek bedoel Jayson......Jou ma se KAT.

      david.streicher - 2012-02-04 10:50

      Jayson Larry, the NASA space cadet has conveyed his primitive thoughts on the subject for us to ponder - NOT

  • Liesl - 2012-02-02 11:04

    I believe the State department should cater for the languages spoken in a region not what they like or don't like. Moet nie een kultuur ondermyn net omdat jy nie daarvan hou nie.

      timmy.ditsele - 2012-02-02 11:48

      the last time i checked we had 11 official languages,now who wants to change that according to provinces?the ANC has lost the plot there are many things going wrong at the moment and these people are busy with something which will divide the country more?

  • Tony - 2012-02-02 11:05

    Looks like we have a new label emerging ...."currently disadvantaged"... Thanks ANC! Dankie, Mercie, Danke, Shot (or whatever floats their boat)

  • Jymiro - 2012-02-02 11:08

    This is a sensational article, the DG said "the bill specified that state departments could use more than the minimum of three languages. Afrikaans could therefore easily be included" What is therefore the complaining about?

      cwboshoff - 2012-02-02 11:22

      This story was written in a way to incite afrikaners to violence... If you attack us in this way we will respond in kind!

      mkerruish - 2012-02-03 07:18

      Jymiro, apartheid achieved its' terrible results through resource allocation. English, as the de facto common language, will be the "previously advantaged" language chosen. There will be "no budget" for the use of Afrikaans. Learning a language other than your home language costs money. Hiring multilingual people costs money. If Arikaans is grouped with English as a "previously advantaged" language, what do you think the bean counters will do in practical reality? Many see this as a cultural assault. This goes against the spirit of the negotiated settlement to end apartheid and uses apartheid methods. Do you now see what people are complaining about?

      Heynz - 2012-02-03 08:30

      Oh craig hoekom spring jy nie in die see nie julle sal ons nooit elimineer nie jul kan dalk probeer maar sal dit nie reg kry nie hoekom gaan jy nie terug bos toe saam jou ander bobbejane nie - dis waar julle hoort

  • rashied.wilkinson - 2012-02-02 11:08

    Imagine a kid on the cape flats... WTF will he do with Pedi/venda/zulu or whatever????

      Dewald - 2012-02-03 10:40

      @Craig A Little History Lesson. Afrikaans Origantes from the Cape and was mostly spoken by the Malay and Local San People. AKA kitchen dutch. So the Point: Afrikaans was originally created by the local Coloured people. So to answer you question. Do you think they should be speaking it. Yes it is their heritage.

  • andrelegrange - 2012-02-02 11:10

    Ek moet net se, ek hou nie van die idee nie! DIt klink vreeslik belaglik.

      Snoopsy - 2012-02-02 14:51

      vreeslik diskrimineerend!

  • Felix - 2012-02-02 11:10

    Why not abolish all invading languages and return to the clickety click click language of the original inhabitants, the Koi & San?

      ludlowdj - 2012-02-02 14:33

      Felix you would have been taken a little more seriously if you had of written your comment in Koi or San - LOL

      Heynz - 2012-02-03 08:33

      Oh Craig jy is nou eerlik waar besig om my grensloos te irriteer met jou terugvoering op van die stelling wat geplaas is - het jy ooit 'n idee waarvan jy praat

  • dlawre30 - 2012-02-02 11:18

    Never ends. First all the name changes, cities and streets, now this? Makes you wonder where we will end up.

      Irene - 2012-02-02 12:10

      ZimBOBwe.

      ludlowdj - 2012-02-02 14:35

      Where you are now......in a country where you can't understand what everyone is clicking about and the road names have no meaning

      mkerruish - 2012-02-03 07:26

      So, Craig. Iron age medicine sound like fun to you? Really, your inability to see fellow South Africans as equal is one of the worst atrocities of apartheid.

      Jayson - 2012-02-03 09:55

      @dlawre...this is Africa

  • Marius - 2012-02-02 11:22

    Ja-nee, gooi ons taal weg, maar ons belasting geld is nog goed genoeg. Dit is tyd dat ons opstaan en sê " Genoeg is genoeg".

      Jayson - 2012-02-04 11:46

      jou naam ry met aapie swapie, is jy nie miskien dalk een? ek vra net mos

  • sndashe - 2012-02-02 11:22

    its actually quiet sad when i look at the bunch of you who only give too bits about your own language but not the rest of the south african launges spoken by black people.no one is taking away your dearly afrikaans heritage but rather what they are saying is that people in black schools need to be taught by the own languages as there is no benefit for them to continue studying a language that is not used internationally and well doesnt guarantee you a job in the currrent work envirnonment.since my high school days i've never used afrikaans cause honestly i studied it so that i can pass but i never had a choice,so let people have a choice of what language they wanna study with and let people write test and exams and be taught in languages they understand.this is not about you and your culture.matter of fact your afrikaans is as important as english,zulu,siswati,tshonga,vhenda,pedi,xhosa,english, sotho.this is not about the anc or boredom but rather what is good for the people.in my conclusion open your eyes to the bigger issues in this country than trying to always blame what the anc is doing,but rather look at what issues are out there that are affecting our people in which in most cases are black but i guess most of you dont care about that cause as long as whites or afrikaaners are sorted and happy,the rest of the people who are black can continue failing,living with out roads,water,study in a language that doesnt add value to their lives, no health care etc.change is comin

      mystae - 2012-02-02 11:56

      Of course people should be taught in their home language. There's no doubt about that. There's also not a single comment here trying to force Afrikaans on native speakers of other languages. But in the same way you don't care about Afrikaans, those who don't have a use for any of the black languages don't care about them either (careful of double standards, sndashe). The real issue here is that it is very much starting to resemble systematic oppression. If I know anything about the Afrikaner, is that he'll take it up to a point, and then all hell will break loose.

      sndashe - 2012-02-02 12:18

      @Michelle, maybe white people had a choice since 94, and secondly stop thinking you know it all, cause in Lowveld High school where i went in Nelspruit and English school we didnt have a choice and i can promise you thats not the only place. secondly i never said that English is my first language, i'm a proud swati person and that is my african language but i guess if i addressed you in it you wouldnt have a damn clue what i'm saying cause you are so arrogant thinking that people have to conform in your english in order for them to be perfect or fit it your society. i'm very proud that atleast i can speak 6 south african languages, and each day i try to learn more. Masimbakho

      MastersVoice - 2012-02-02 13:14

      sndashe - you are very selective in your definition of Afrikaans speaking South Africans. Please practice what you preach, and stop excluding minority groups from your race-based associations to language. the Western Cape has a majority non-white Afrikaans speakers. Your education was an obvious failure, but for that I blame the ANC regime and their policy of under-educating the masses to ensure an ignorant voter base.

      Michelle - 2012-02-02 13:50

      The majority of the children I taught in English were black. They came to the English speaking school by choice. You don't have a chip on your shoulder, it looks like Table Mountain. En ek myself is Afrikaans. So nobody is conforming to "my" English Now that would make me arrogant if I thought it was "my English" So, no other school in Nelspruit where you could be taught in Swati. Ag shame. You could have relocated to a school of your choice, surely??? You poor victim

  • MastersVoice - 2012-02-02 11:22

    Afrikaans IS a disadvantaged African language. Of course the ANC regime and its ignorant supporters will not agree with this statement. I just wonder what the ANC's political bed-fellow the NP have to say about this?

      sndashe - 2012-02-02 11:34

      can you explain how Afrikaans is a disadvantage language, when all these years it has been a must in every school, when you have black kids speaking it rather than their own languages because its how they are taught at schools. secondly it is my right to support whatever party i choose for my own reason, dont tell me i'm ignorant, cause when you support your own DA or AWB no one judges you. just remember that country is bigger than you and me, than english or afrikaans, zulu or swazi. so we need to look the country as a whole, cause the funny thing is you see blacks as all the same, but truth is cause of all the different cultures and languages we are as different as english and afrikaans.

      MastersVoice - 2012-02-02 13:05

      sndashe - it is clear to me that Afrikaans is disadvantaged in South Africa. My understanding that the term "disadvantaged" is one used only to refer to disadvantaged people and communities in this country. This includes the majority of non-white South Africans living in the Western Cape. It is very convenient to associate "black" with "disadvantaged", as you have done by your references to colour in your reply to my comment. You are openly displaying your ignorance by associating the the Afrikaans language with very specific population groupings and political affiliations. Afrikaans is not only the first language of Afrikaners, but also previously disadvantaged Western Cape inhabitants. I trust I have explained sufficiently how Afrikaans is a disadvantaged language. You ask me to "look at the country as a whole", but at the same time marginalize some South Africans by associating language with a skin colour! How ignorant is that?

      Snoopsy - 2012-02-02 14:58

      Oh please Sndashe- gaan voel jammer vir jouself erens anders.

      raath - 2012-02-02 15:41

      Sndashe, I don't see many textbooks in the other languages (probably because they lack a complete vocabulary). If you want something in your own language, then do it. If you can't, don't want to, or don't care to, then learn the languages in which the writers (who made the effort) wrote the books. And it seems that you see all whites as the same. Probably because all the news articles you read are in some under-developed African language.

  • Sonia - 2012-02-02 11:34

    I'm a proud South African and I'm Afrikaans. My kids are English and I teach them Afrikaans. It's their heritage too and they also need to learn the language as it is just as important as the other languages. Why should they study sotho, zulu. xhosa etc and not afrikaans? Don't really need those languages in the workplace as everyone speaks english.It's our rights!!!

      Mesulie Vince' Ntombela - 2012-02-02 11:39

      Sonia...No offence owk bt it ws also our rights to study our languages n to study everything using our languages...But our parents were forced to use your language in everything even at school...so im asking you, was that fair???

      sndashe - 2012-02-02 11:47

      here is a quote from the article "Director general of arts and culture, Sibusiso Xaba, said the bill specified that state departments could use more than the minimum of three languages. Afrikaans could therefore easily be included" no one is taking your precious language away, all they are saying is that people should be given a choice to study in other languages than between english and afrikaans. English is a must and well for my kids afrikaans is very much irrelevant and they dont need to learn it and they will never use it.

      Michelle - 2012-02-02 11:52

      Ek stem heeltemal saam Sonia. Ons bly in Dubai, my seun in 'n Engelse skool maar Afrikaans word gepraat in ons huis. Ek is geensins skaam oor ek Afrikaanssprekend is nie.

      Wim - 2012-02-02 12:04

      Nee jy is nie Afrikaans nie. Jy's brein dood.

      Elton - 2012-02-02 12:49

      @Mesulie. On your facebook you look too young to even have lived during apartheid. Guess what: ANC = NP. Meaning, the ANC is doing to the whites what the NP did to the blacks. Have you voted ANC lately...? The only difference is, the one is in the past and the other is current - get it? If you don't I will spell it out: You are now what your parents hated then. I dare you, be a true man and stand up and fight against racism and oppression. When I was your age, I did...

      Sadrick Lottering - 2012-02-02 14:15

      why? are you c'rias? U just spend over 20c + effort + emotional trauma + endless nagging, you ask why should they learn these languages. You had 17yrs and you come with this question... Parenting in Question.

      Sean - 2012-02-03 01:22

      @Mesulie Vince' Ntombela - Please do not write in English , ``jy verkrag die taal`` Ffs !! Stop crying about the past , first learn to write english !!

      Lanfear - 2012-02-03 08:34

      @ Elton - oh you are so wrong! The ANC is not doing to the whites what the NP did to the blacks! Not nearly. If you really stood up before 1994 and fought against racism and oppression, you will know this. It is the nature of humankind that children carry on the loves and hatreds of their parents. Just as some whites are still teaching their children to hate blacks, so are there some blacks who still teach their children that all whites are "evil". And so forth.

  • mambo.zimba - 2012-02-02 11:36

    This headline is a bit misleading coz its clearly stated that"the bill specified that state departments could use more than the minimum of three languages". So my take is that this bill intends to include the African ones which were previously not included. That said i don't see the problem with citizens of SA being multilingual, as this will most likely foster greater understanding between people of different backgrounds and races. Its probably late for us the older guys to learn a new language but it certainly would help in building bridges for the younger generation.

  • Karena - 2012-02-02 11:37

    you know i do find this sad- but instead of taking it out add another problem is they end up fighting over the other 8 languages that only they can understand-... so this will take a while ... the problem with to day instead of learning from history this country is intent on wiping it out and rewriting it so we look like the rest of the war torn Africa !!!!!!!!!!!

      sndashe - 2012-02-02 11:50

      here is an interesting question for you, where is the black history in this country, cause all we learn about is the anglo war, its about the white afrikaaners and so on. learn to be fair. and dont get me wrong no where am i saying your history should be erased but also our history as black people should be acknowledged, we need to have more statues, museums with black herritage.

      MastersVoice - 2012-02-02 13:18

      sndashe - be careful that you do not get what you wish for. You may not like the result, and in this case the history of the black South African. How good is your Khoisan?

      Sadrick Lottering - 2012-02-02 14:06

      "Only they can understand" Sista! U had 17yrs to learn one of those languages, what did you think was going to happen? Start studying Sista, you're late! Jy gaan ekonomies verloor... :-)

      Lanfear - 2012-02-03 08:28

      @ sndashe - the Anglo-Boer war affected the blacks of South Africa as well. More blacks, for example, died in the British concentration camps than whites. It was the old regime that conveniently "forgot" that when history was taught. I agree with you that ALL the history of South Africa should be cherished and celebrated. From the Khoi-San, to the Blacks, to the Whites, even the Indians and Asians came here long enough ago to be a vital part of our history. I also agree that the black history of our country has been neglected and are still being neglected, all they learn in school is about apartheid and the ANC, they learn nothing further about black history. Your own words i.e. that the Anglo-Boer war was just about white Afrikaaners, is a good example of the lack of historical accuracy and scope in our schools. And as to the languages, well I am enrolling in a Zulu course [because it is most spoken although my one friend assured me that Venda is the most beautiful language "of love"] and will make sure that my child will learn a "black" language from a young age. I don't think that Afrikaans is threatened at all. Why should government conduct business in Afrikaans? IMO, have only one governmental language, English, with enough translators at every department for anyone who doesn't understand, or want to, do business with government in English. It will actually be a boost to language studies at colleges and universities as well.

  • Sonia - 2012-02-02 11:37

    My kinders is engels en afrikkans en ek sien nie hoekom hulle al die ander tale moet leer maar nie hulle taal nie. Ek is trots afrikaans en dit is my kinders se 'heritage'. Almal in hulle werkplekke praat engels met mekaar. Eers die straatname in Pta en nou ons taal. Het julle nie ander groter probleme wat julle moet uitsorteer nie??? Geen wonder almal verlaat ons pragtige land nie.

  • Matshidiso - 2012-02-02 11:46

    Formthe record Afrikaans was first spoken by slaves a mixture of Holander, German and other languages from where they from, not owned by any one. Now I read the DG Sibusiso Xaba saying three languages can be used in the department so Afrikaans can be included, surely in terms of courts translators are available. Paranoia can be treated.

  • Reinette - 2012-02-02 11:47

    They keep on using the phrase “indigenous language”. The dictionary defines indigenous as “originating and occurring naturally in an area” and indigenous language as “a language that ORIGINATED (like Afrikaans) in a specified place and was not brought there from elsewhere (like AFRIKAANS). So ito the definition AFRIKAANS is indigenous to SA as it originated here, still occurs here and that origination was naturally . The only (official) language that is not indigenous to SA is English. So if you want to get rid of one, get rid of the Colonialist language of the Brits (haha). As an afterthought-most English speaking (white) people in SA can only speak 1 language (most of them cannot even master Afrikaans), while we at least speak 2 languages, and in some cases 3 or more, like our fellow black South Africans.

      mkerruish - 2012-02-03 07:50

      Reinette, I gave you a thumbs up because of your raising the point about the indigenous nature of Afrikaans. I wish I could give you a separate thumbs down for your assumptions about English speakers. Wo shi Yingwen laoshi. I can speak English, Afrikaans, some French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Dutch and Flemish (thanks to Afrikaans). I can read all of these. I am currently learning Mandarin. I mention this not to boast, but to call you on your assumptions about English-speakers' monolingualism.

  • Cy - 2012-02-02 11:49

    Eish!!!! Think you idiots who are commenting here must go back to pre-school and learn how to read. In the article it says:"Director general of arts and culture, Sibusiso Xaba, said the bill specified that state departments could use more than the minimum of three languages. Afrikaans could therefore easily be included." Where is the so called thread to afrikaans....idiots!!!!!!

      Anele - 2012-02-02 13:02

      You cant even write English but you are quick to call people idiots *stupid*

      mkerruish - 2012-02-03 08:00

      Apartheid achieved its' terrible results through resource allocation. English, as the de facto common language, will be the "previously advantaged" language chosen. There will be "no budget" for the use of Afrikaans. Learning a language other than your home language costs money. Hiring multilingual people costs money. If Arikaans is grouped with English as a "previously advantaged" language, what do you think the bean counters will do in practical reality? Many see this as a cultural assault. This goes against the spirit of the negotiated settlement to end apartheid and uses apartheid methods. So. Are they really idiots or is there another idiot around here?

      Rudolph - 2012-02-03 14:41

      it's spelled "threat", not "thread". (idiot you say?)

  • Mhlophe - 2012-02-02 11:49

    Idiots! Afrikaans is an "african" language. It came into existance in SA and exists nowhere else in the world!

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-02-02 12:36

      Namibia

      PointBlank - 2012-02-02 13:16

      It's spoken in Namibia it did not originate from there... *sigh*

  • Genesistt - 2012-02-02 11:50

    You know, on this issue Namibia had it right when they got independence. Even though there is a whole boatload of different languages in Namibia, anything from Afrikaans to German to Ovambu to Damara to heavens alone knows what else, the government chose to keep English, and only English, as the country's primary language. Not this confused mess we have right now. At least if you know English you can go anywhere in the world and most likely be able to communicate with someone. But here they are trying to kill one language to make room for another. That's not cool. Give everyone the freedom of their language, but limit the official language to just one. It will remove all these arguments about who's language is where on the totem pole and protect all the languages for future generations. I think so at least.

      Matshidiso - 2012-02-02 11:59

      Which language is threatend by which language in this case? I didn't see anywhere were one language was targeted.

      Wim - 2012-02-02 12:08

      You couldn't have been to too many places in the world.

      Michelle - 2012-02-02 14:02

      @Wim Ek is breindood hoe???? Shame are you not allowed out of your ward often????? You need to speak to the doctor. The voices in your head are not real. No matter what the language

      Naledi - 2012-02-02 20:24

      You clearly have not been to France or Spain, try speaking english there.

      Sean - 2012-02-03 01:24

      @Naledi - Please don`t compare 1st world to 3rd world countries !!

  • isak.botma - 2012-02-02 11:57

    We voted at Pctank.co.uk (www.pctank.co.uk) to see the Most popular Language groups as we are a South African Company in UK! Its arranged in the most spoken Language groups: (a) the Nguni group (isiNdebele, isiXhosa, isiZulu and siSwati) (b) English (b) the Sotho group (Sepedi, Sesotho and Setswana) (c) Tshivenda/Xitsonga (d) Afrikaans Afrikaans will be off the list in few years time! ITS shocking!! En eks nie baie gelukkig daaroor nie, die Taal ONS VOLK!

      Pearl - 2012-02-02 15:16

      PCtank probably did their survey in Meadownlands Zone 6 only!

  • Moi - 2012-02-02 11:58

    @FlowingRivers - "This shud have happened a long time ago!!!!!!!!!!" Why? There is a large portion of the population that have afrikaans as their mother tongue and it's not just the whities.

      Moi - 2012-02-03 07:35

      How is it being shoved down your throat more that any other of our numerous official languages? I don't speak afrikaans so this doesn't really affect me, but why are you so anti-afrikaans?

      donne.conradie - 2012-02-03 09:55

      @Craig ACTUALLY ... Afrikaans is the 3rd most spoken language in South Africa (http://www.southafrica.info/about/people/language.htm)at 13.35% after Zulu (23.8%) and Xhosa (17.64%) according to the census of 2001

  • inwardk - 2012-02-02 12:05

    Purely from an economic standpoint, I believe English should be the only official language. It doesn't make sense to write communiques in three languages. How inefficient. English is not offensive, is widely understood also outside our borders.

      Wim - 2012-02-02 12:46

      I believe you should go to England.

  • Mzwakhe Mnguni - 2012-02-02 12:11

    i wish E.T could have lived to see this day

      PointBlank - 2012-02-02 13:17

      Hell no!

      MastersVoice - 2012-02-02 13:39

      He went home...

      Jayson - 2012-02-03 09:59

      he would have been proud of the progress we are making

  • Abusufyaan - 2012-02-02 12:11

    can't we just let each person speak the language of his/her choice and have it translated if not understood as we are doing in our schools. what happened to freedom of speech. Leave afrikaans. It helps you in europe(where even non afrikaners like to go)

  • VoiceOfReason - 2012-02-02 12:13

    Simple. English, Afrikaans as it was a previously disadvantaged African language during British Rule & Zulu as it is the most widely spoken of the other previously disadvantaged African languages.

  • Retardus - 2012-02-02 12:47

    Dis seker wat gebeur as die rassistiese regeringtjie uit goeie idees uit hardloop. HALLOOOO... Dis nie net wittes wat Afrikaans praat nie julle Mamparras !!! Wat gaan hulle volgende probeer.

  • Johan - 2012-02-02 12:56

    Here we go again We are slowly being roped in!

  • Thapelo - 2012-02-02 13:28

    afrikaan must go

      Carlo Hayes - 2012-02-02 13:33

      F@k jou my minder geletterde landgenoot!!

      MastersVoice - 2012-02-02 13:34

      Freudian slip!! "Afrikaan" is an Afrikaans word referring to people from Africa.

      Michelle - 2012-02-02 14:04

      You should go with the afrikaan Thapelo. Nou waarnatoe gaan jy???? Jou piesang

      Sean - 2012-02-03 01:27

      @Thapelo- Now you go back to bush !! Ek sal nooit sulke aape soos jy se mentalieteit kan verstaan nie ( hope my spelling wasn`t to bad ) lol

  • Coenie - 2012-02-02 13:29

    "disadvantaged African languages" . . . When will this VICTIM mentality come to an end.

      bndamandama - 2012-02-02 13:56

      never because its the truth

  • ludlowdj - 2012-02-02 14:56

    sndashe - African History is for most part a verbal history and as no written languages existed among the black tribes at the time of colonization, there are of course not written records to use as reference. You history, or more accurately the history of the multitude of black tribes of Africa is well documented, The ANC however does not want the true history of the colonization of Southern Africa to well documented, as the lies of separate development will be all to clear for the international community who supported the ANC to see. Books like "opening Pandora's box" and several other's including historical records etc, document tribalism and tribal life as well as the history of the colonists extremely accurately. It is unfortunate that the radicals among us are responsible for so much strife, as most irrespective of color simply want to live their lives in peace. School at the end of the day must provide for learners to be taught all subjects in their mother tongue, the second language which the learner must be able to choose himself should be taught in a mixture of mother tongue and the language itself to aid understanding. The Use of English or Afrikaans must be a choice, and the survival or death of any language must be through lack of support at community level and not through government intervention.

  • Mvikeli - 2012-02-02 14:59

    If possible, may someone explain why Afrikaans should not be dropped as an official language in state departments? I need someone to explain why it Afrikaans should be there and not say, Zulu or Xhosa.

  • Schalk - 2012-02-02 16:06

    what qualifies her to make such a statement - she is from the ANCYL - I rest my case my Lord!

  • Kenyezi Buti Khazamula Humane - 2012-02-02 16:19

    I am not worried about Afrikaans but for example what will happen to Limpopo where we have Venda,Tsonga and Sepedi which one will be excluded. I see that we are heading to hole. I see we are not being represented. History will repeat itself.

  • Kenyezi Buti Khazamula Humane - 2012-02-02 16:24

    ANC loves to create conflicts to make sure that people forget service delivery. They can see tht we are no longer worried about Juju. With this the will buy enough time until election. Poor ANC.

      Akili - 2012-02-03 20:57

      Kenyezi Buti Khazamula Humane: Read your school books, get some knowledge.

  • Russan - 2012-02-02 16:26

    Afrikaans must go! as apartheid went. Its time to offer choices to children in school rather than forcing down something they dislike so much. Why not follow the 1st world standards - English is the business medium. My friend could not take up an internatinal Canadian JOB Post, because he went to an Afrikaans University... what a wasted life for him and his family.

  • Ruan - 2012-02-02 16:32

    WESTERN CAPE INDEPENDENCE ,without the DA,,indeed very possible and beleive you me it is on our cards at the moment,there will be a great trek south this time,the anc said in the 70s they were going to drive us back to the sea where we came from,let them have the gold,the Republic of the Western Cape will survive on tourism as it already supports all the other broken down provinces tourism infastructures,we have koeberg power and one of the largest natural water catchments in the world,in late 1998 the anc actually looked at making the WC an independent state,we will then rid the WC of all illegals and undersirables which includes eastern cape lazy trash that gets bussed to the WC every month by the anc to squat here for the next vote.

      Andries - 2012-02-03 05:32

      Right you are Ruan! ... I am 100% with you, let's do everything you suggest, and then we will train penguins in little bowties to serve us dry martini's while we drive cars with ricecake wheels and all blow rainbow bubbles out of our ears.

  • Jennifer - 2012-02-02 16:33

    Afrikaans is the Coloured peoples language, they have been afrikaans from the beginning... does it not count?

      Jennifer - 2012-02-02 16:38

      Get ready to learn the mandarin, it's going to come in handy for reading road names and understanding the news... :D

      mkerruish - 2012-02-03 08:27

      Wo shi Mark. Nihao ma?

  • Charles - 2012-02-02 16:52

    Blah blah blah. Wat maak afrikaans so spesiaal bo die ander 10 triljoen offisiele tale wat ons het?

      Heynz - 2012-02-03 08:42

      Afrikaans is die lekkerste taal wat daar is om te praat!!!!!!!! en as die Xhosas minder broei sal daar ook minder wees om xhosa te praat terwyl ons afrikaner se belasting geld betaal vir ongeletterde mense wat nou hul stem wil kom dik maak

  • mashavha - 2012-02-02 17:37

    Whats wrong with Afrikaans really now!!!Whats next?

  • Ryan - 2012-02-02 19:57

    Independence is not gotten by wishing for it! We will have to fight for it! Are you ready to make that sacrifice? Or are you content to sit and watch TV,drink wine and scratch your balls every night? Independence will cost far more than most are willing to pay!

  • Sanet Oelofse - 2012-02-02 19:57

    Let them make Zulu and Xhosa 2 of the 3 official languages, they can then explain to the rest of the black population why they are deemed more important, in Xhosa and Zulu of course.

  • WessBergg - 2012-02-02 20:05

    Make one language official and force everybody to learn it. That way everybody will be able to understand each other and hopefully work better together. Duh...

  • Marius Koen - 2012-02-02 21:08

    “My nooi is in n naartjie, my ouma in kaneel. Daar’s iemand… iemand in anys. Daar’s n vrou in elke geur.”

  • Mark - 2012-02-02 23:56

    Sounds like a rigged ballot.

  • marcanthonytaylor - 2012-02-03 00:00

    @craig, get off your iphone and go munch some pap en vleis, or another South African dish, boerewors. I imagine you are young and liberated, which is awesome because its what the generations before you wanted, what we still want. To believe that things changed because the politicians wanted to? This changed because business paid those politicians. Business still pays politicians today. Politics is determined by business deals and there is a hell of a lot of wealth in South Africa. That's we we are the China Town of Africa.

  • Ben - 2012-02-03 02:23

    If South Africa's language was a Facebook relationship status it would be "its complicated".

      Jayson - 2012-02-03 10:44

      hohoho