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Afrikaners must find their own Nkandla - Zuma

2011-02-17 07:00

Cape Town – The Afrikaner should find his own Nkandla, President Jacob Zuma said on Wednesday.

Not a geographical area, but a psychological home where he’s safe and has the freedom and confidence to live and express the things that are important to him.

Zuma said in an interview with Beeld – the first with an Afrikaans newspaper since he became president – he has a deep understanding for the need of some Afrikaners for a home of their own.

“For example: I work in Cape Town and in Pretoria, but then I want to go to Nkandla (in rural KwaZulu-Natal). That’s where I belong. I feel at home when I’m there.

“I can do the indlamu (a traditional dance for men), I can speak isiZulu...

“This is what some Afrikaners need on a psychological level: an Nkandla.”

He emphasised the fact that he doesn’t mean Afrikaners can or should demarcate their own area or create a separate home.

“You can’t create an Orania, you must be part of South Africa and share in what we all share.”

Proud of heritage


The president explained that historical realities have determined that various ethnic groups are concentrated in various parts of the country.

For instance, the Venda live mostly in the north of the country, the Zulus in KwaZulu-Natal and the Xhosas along the East Coast.

He said the Afrikaner is not found in a single geographical area, but all over the country. This is why they don’t have a “physical Nkandla”.

Zuma said ethnic diversity in South Africa is valuable and that he, as a Zulu, is proud of his heritage and traditions.

“Being a South African doesn’t make me any less of a Zulu. But being a Zulu also doesn’t make me any less of a South African.”

Fought for freedom

Despite his extensive conversations and meetings with Afrikaners – since taking office he has visited white squatter camps, Orania and the union Solidarity – it is still impossible for him to say who exactly represents “the Afrikaner”.

“I’ve met many different Afrikaners. Some of them don’t even want to be called Afrikaners, but rather Boere.

“So you can’t say that, since I’ve met one Afrikaner, I have met the Afrikaner (representing the whole group).”

Zuma spoke at length about the Afrikaners’ unique history and how this distinguishes them from other whites in the country.

“Some people are upset when I say this, but it’s a fact: they are the only white group who can lay claim to the fact that they also fought for their freedom, against the Brits... they died in concentration camps.

“They made a contribution to the development of South Africa and helped make it what it is today. They are an important group.

"They are the kind of group that doesn’t carry two passports, only one.”

Comments
  • Robert - 2011-02-16 23:03

    wow i am shocked!

      rammstein.f4n - 2011-02-16 23:21

      Elections again soon. Campaigning for votes of Afrikaans citizens. Conveniently the ANC never really seems to bother with the English speaking populace of whites. Hopefully Afrikaans people will see through this. If he said this at another time, it might have been sincere.

      Zip23 - 2011-02-17 07:53

      I do think the Prez is sincere. What we all need to realise is that government needs to act according to the greater good of the entire South Africa. That means a better education system, health system, effective policing and a properly iplimented BEE program. This unfortunately means that those with the means to do so have to give up/overpay for services, so that others can also have this. If you accept and embrace this fact, you are part of the solution. If not, you are part of the problem. Those that embrace, from any ethnic group, is South African. Those that dont, are bloody agents. South African politics is real simple.

      IandI - 2011-02-17 08:20

      I think JZ i strying to tell Afrikaners: Marry 3 to 5 wives, set up your own homestead and let the taxpayer and the Chinese finance that.This will ensure fewer single women in RSA.Kapeesh?

      Zip23 - 2011-02-17 08:23

      @ daaivark, people are questioning his sincerity. My point is that if is not sincere, we have a real problem, and should pack our bags and run! I beleive that my fellow South Africans are not out to get me as result of my white skin. You obviously dont like the man, and make him out to be stupid. He may be a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. Rather criticise the fact that he is enriching himself, family and friends at all of our expense. That is at least a proper argument.

      bluewire123 - 2011-02-17 08:56

      Dont be, he has said the same thing on many occasions, in many speeches and meetings over the past years. This is only the first time he has said it to a newspaper hence the shock factor.

      Jonas - 2011-02-17 09:11

      Mr Zuma you do not understand South Africans. Firstly the whites are not made up of Afrikaners and Brits. Secondly black South Africans are not only made up of the groups you mentioned. South Africa is a melting pot which you love trying to dissect. The demographics of a White English speaking South African are not just European and British. Kindly check your population register and you will see how wrong you are. Then go a check the demographics of the Afrikaner nation and you will see that it is not that different to the “English”. It is people like you who enforce “Nkandlas”. I chatted to my work staff and not one (not a single person of fourteen black guys) is “purebred”. He does not have an Nkandla a single isiZulu speaker or anything similar. They are all “mixed “as the Afrikaner and “English”. They have also been marginalised by the ANC because they do not have a clan to belong to. Wake up please. Freedom, you talk of freedom as if it is only fighting against apartheid or the Afrikaner against the Brit. Again go into each individual from your “white English” group and I will show you people who have fought or run away from oppression somewhere in the world. Jews from Germany, the suppressed from Russia, Bosnia, Turkey, Lebanon, I could go on, you get the idea. Yes they are all people grouped under you english white banner or even your Afrikaner White banner. And now we are all still fighting for our rights and freedoms. The freedom not to pay toll fees for something we paid for anyway. The freedom, to have the choice, to take an alternative route. The freedom to find a job and the freedom to education and medical facilities. Do not hold your head up high and say you have fought and won freedom. Right now as I write this you are an oppressor and will remain so until and if you give us our freedom. You talk of two and one passports. How about our commitment so great that we do not even have one passport.

      mm - 2011-02-17 09:29

      Sincere or not, I think it was nice of him to acknowledge the role that the Afrikaner played in creating this country, and the fact that we have also fought very hard,and paid with many lives for the independence of this country from British rule.I wish all those who like to say that whites should go back to Europe can realise that too.We too, love this country and have fought for our right to be here. And most of us WANT SA to work and to be our Nkandla. That is what we fought for. And even though a government has the responsibility to create the environment where every South African can find his place in the sun, they cannot give it to anyone. Thats something you need to find for yourself. Now as a zulu and head of the ANC I understand that he is proud of his heritage, and thats cool, but as the President of this country that includes EVERYONE, I feel that it is his duty to campaign for this kind of understanding and tollerance against the whites, and promote togetherness, but rather than doing that, he chooses to polarize and alienate his citizens more by singing his machine gun song. And because of that, "empty promises Zuma" cannot be believed to be sincere. He's like Obama, knows exactly how to say what people want to hear. But when it comes to actually following up and leading, he keeps quiet. As president he should tollerate NO negativeness against ANY racegroup, and any of his staff (Juju) that does that should be fired on the spot.Then I'll believe him sincere.

      boepensmanvangraan - 2011-02-17 10:01

      @ ZIP. Maybe less of this 'whites need to give up' crap and more of: 'blacks need to stop EXPECTING everything and start focusing on becoming good workers' tantra and things will start working. The legions of highly skilled white doctors and lawyers and engineers and MANAGERS that were in office end of Partheid wanted to help the black people but summarily got shafted due to AA and BEE. If you maybe utilized their skills in 1994 instead of being racist, maybe we wouldn't, 16 years later be in the situation we are. And still our minister of higher education want to lower standards to Varsities. That fact alone shows that the State of the Nation is vote mongering. If the government was serious about alleviating poverty they would listen to history and experts and focus all their resources and energy to get our kids as educated as possible. Then the kids would realize that raping and killing the people that have skills and are educated will just keep them impoverished. But then again, the government doesn't even realize this, so our chances for success is very slim indeed. Cry the beloved country.

      Law Abiding - 2011-02-17 10:42

      Shock can not describe it. JZ is ignoring the desperate shouts for safety from the Afrikaner. How the hell can you possibly find "Nkandla" in your head if you are being attacked from all angles. We live in fear all the time. Our kids are being intimidated at the schools. We are getting killed for the meagre bit of cash in our pockets. On the roads, we are getting hijacked and our farms are being plundered. Not to mention that being an Afrikaner farmer in South Africa is currently one of the most dangerous professions on this earth because of the farm murders. The media cannot be bothered to report all the terror the Afrikaner is being subjected to. Also on the business front, the Afrikaner is under fire. With the highly racist BEE policies from the ANC regime, the Afrikaner is not allowed to do business with any government based institution. As an example. The IEC's procurements is scored the following: PDI: 80% Woman: 15% Disabled: 4% Amount: 1% This means that a White, Male, Healthy South African has a possible 1 % chance of doing business with the IEC. When are the ANC going to place signage at the public toilets "PDI Only" Using fancy words like BEE, PDI, Corrective Action and the hordes of motivational words inbedded in the ANC regime's law book can not hide the racist agenda any more. South Africa is comparable to the pre-WW2 germany. Just substitute Jew with Afrikaner. Then the world only woke up to the horrors imposed on the Jews after MILLIONS were exterminated.

      persiuskomper2 - 2011-02-17 10:44

      Here's my R0.02 - if he really respected the "Afrikaners" and know that some preferred to be called "Boere", then surely he must have an opinion on the whole "Kill the Boer" scenario. But his obvious bipolar approach indicates this is unashamed votemongering, pure and simple.

      system.reset1 - 2011-02-17 12:44

      @Law Abiding - well said

      mm - 2011-02-17 14:33

      @Tshifhiwa do not put words in my mouth. The fact that you have a problem with whites does not mean I have a problem with blacks. Where did I mention the fact that Zuma or Obama is black at all? If you are a racist it does not make me one too. I do believe in fact that Obama is WAY more clever than Bush could ever dream to be, and a far better president, and I do follow world politics. Go read up what the Americans say about their president. He was brilliant at campaigning and promising the world, yet he couldn't deliver half of it, so much so that early predictions are that the Republicans will take over the next term again. Now there is a healthy democracy. If you don't deliver, we VOTE YOU OUT, and give the opposition a chance. That sure as hell scares the democrats to deliver. And for your info, I couldn't care less what the colour or gender of the government is. I want a President that stands for all, not in words but in ACTIONS. Zuma and Mbeki has FAILED to do that. Madiba got it right.

      DT - 2011-02-17 14:36

      The fight for freedom!?! It helps when everyone agrees on what the definition of freedom is. Isaiah Berlin identified two concepts of freedom. The first was negative freedom or what he called "freedom from". It defined freedom as being the absence of constraint, or freedom from excessive state interference in peoples' lives. Positive freedom is more than just the absence of constraint. They need the opportunities and the wherewithal to improve their lives. State dependency, taxes.... The list just gets longer and longer.

      lean - 2011-02-17 15:32

      Pathetic statement... So if it's not Orania, then where would it be, that place Nkandla for the white ppl? Does he know we have 13 000 Greeks , 30 000 Germans, 18 000 Russians, Polish, Hungarian, Muslims and even 25 000 Americans living here. I am 100% shore, if Afrikaners will start Afrikaner Nkandla and get some lend , all this ppl will follow them.

      youngun - 2011-02-17 16:55

      Does this now mean that Afrikaaners can get PDI status? Bipolar baaastid

      james4usa - 2011-02-17 17:33

      Tshifhiva You do not have a clue about that halfbreed in the Whitehouse. To quote his lies will take a book. The biggest "I will stop the wars" The financial meltdown started with Carter and the Community redevelopement act,Clinton followed suit and B Frank and C. Dodd. threatened Banks with lawsuits if they did not loan people money. These people could not possibly repay the $. Democrats buying votes.

      lean - 2011-02-17 18:16

      Hey Mr Zuma if your lot is very happy in KZN and EC dancing in animal skins, living in mad hats,no schools, no good roads - Africa to the core! Why don,t you all go to your Nkandla permanently? We are very happy where we are with our nice houses, nice roads, nice shops, nice cars, good privet schools and so on - We are very happy with civilization!!!

      mswartster - 2011-02-17 23:00

      @ Law abiding Don't you think that it is time to accept that maybe, just maybe, your demographic isn't at the top of the government's 'to-do list'? I do. Afrikaners don't NEED to do business with government, and trust me on this: oppurtunities are a plenty elsewhere. The big 'challenge' that white south africans are facing regarding BEE, AA, blablabla can not compete with being being black, partially educated, not great at english/afrikaans, from a poor household in the townships, etc. Have a closer look at how the government are actually providing people with electricity, water, basics.... The ANCYL, yes, the ANCYL, actually started a project to clean up the streets in Yoeville, Johannesburg that is working (P.S, I also think Malema is a strange man, but does kinda lend some perspective hey?). So, before you start erecting signs and telling everyone about how corrupt our banana/africanSystem government is, or proclaiming how self-sufficient white people are compared to others(am I jumping the gun?), just relax and enjoy the pre-paved road in front of you. (help someone in need too if you feel really generous) ciao!

      allie - 2011-02-18 12:43

      We must realise that we are dealing here with a people that came into power because of excessive breeding,on man one vote and a bit of apartheid thrown in.They are not sophisticated politicians and don`t have what it takes to run a first world country,what SA used to be.Throw in a bloated ego and arrogancs and things can only go downhill.The kraal and opperhoof mentality can be seen in their heroworshipping of Zuma.They also like the HE-MAN singing of his machine gun.

  • Fidelis Oviahon - 2011-02-16 23:05

    most confusing message ever heard, whats the JZ yapping now. ?????

      sbhennops - 2011-02-16 23:25

      I can answer that. He is stating as he did before the fact that the Afrikaner is the only white indeginous group in South Africa. Afrikaans and the Afrikaner was the result of the fight against Brittish oppression. That was the birth of the Afrikaner nation. They also fought oppression for freedom and were the first in Africa to do so according to known history. Just my 2c

      Stevie - 2011-02-17 11:51

      @sbhennops: The Afrikaner did not fight against British oppression. They fought for self-governance. There's a world of difference. Learn history, by all means, but for goodness sake don't make the mistake of seeing everything as a Marxist struggle against oppression!

      Zodwa - 2011-02-17 12:56

      He is saying forget about your homeland and learn to live harmoniously side by side with your black neighbours and stop burying your heads in the sand about the current situation in SA. Crime affects everyone and blacks are more affected by it. Visit any black township around 11pm on a Saturday and you'll swear your lily-white surburb is like paradise.

      exocist - 2011-02-17 13:55

      to ZODWA, if your townships are that bad why can't you vote for someone that will DO something about crime, not very bright are you?

      sbhennops - 2011-02-17 14:03

      @ Stevie -If you know anything about British rule then you would not make that statement. The Brits came the conquered and the either enslaved, oppressed or bred out any unwelcome treat to the Crown. Just look at Ireland and Scotland and then Africa. Oppression is the only word if you go and study the history.

      KevinSA - 2011-02-17 15:37

      Zodwa, you are so right about visiting the township after 11pm, HOWEVER, my problem is when you brothers come out the townships and into our "lily white suburbs" and break in, rob, steal, rape etc. Rather let them stay there and keep it in the township.

      Dan Wesson - 2011-02-17 17:03

      @Zodwa then why the !!!!! do you still vote ANC?!?

      mswartster - 2011-02-17 23:10

      @ Zodwa Jip! The one thing Mandela taught us: Let's open our doors to one another.

      Stevie - 2011-02-18 12:21

      @sbhennops I have studied this history (at tertiary level) and the only thing I am sure of is that word "oppression" is thrown around a little too flagrantly, usually where politicians and propaganda are in the mix. You are trying to use history as a weapon just as countless politicians have done before you. I prefer to approach history as a science. The difference between propaganda and fact are surprisingly clear when this approach is taken.

      sbhennops - 2011-02-19 05:15

      @Stevie - Really then please refer me to the texts you used for your studies, hope its not the Brittish version, it makes them look like a bunch of creampuffs unable to harm a fly. Or perhaps its the new History version being punted to schools (modern history) i believe. Please give me the names and refrences of the books you used. I would like to aquire these and compare them.

      PeterZ - 2011-02-19 09:26

      @ Stevie. You are completely wrong. The Afrikaner did not fight for self governance, they already had it but they fought against brittish imperial thugs who wanted to steal their land and country and anex it for themselves and in the process placed all the Afrikaner women and children in concentration camps. Where is the compensation for this cowardly deed done to the Afrikaner?

      Stevie - 2011-02-21 11:57

      @sbhennops I'll have to go back to my notes to check on all of them, but you can start by reading an account of someone who was actually there. The book "Commando" by Deneys Reitz might not be able to explain all the politics and overarching strategies during that time, but it is regarded as a very good primary reference to what conditions were like for the Boer Commandos. Read this, and I challenge you to refer to the Brits as either 'evil murderers' or 'creampuffs unable to harm a fly'.

      Stevie - 2011-02-21 12:09

      @PeterZ Your motivation doesn't make any sense. If the British wanted to kill the Boer women and children, why did only 25% of them die in the concentratio camps? Why not all? In fact, why bother with camps in the first place - surely leaving them to their own ends after Scorched Earth would have been cheaper? But no, the British removed people from the land for their own safety, which has strategic merit because a) they probably would have starved out on their own, and b) they might have been unlucky enough to end up as collateral casualties in the sporadic and unpredictable skirmishes typical of guerilla fighting. Just think for a bit. There were plenty English mining engineers and their families in the Transvaal just prior to the Jameson Raid - in fact it was these families who were complaining that Kruger was taxing them far too heavily and giving them nothing in return - it's the whole reason the Jameson Raid occurred in the first place. When the war started, where do you think these English civilians of the Tranvaal went to? The Cape? No, they went to the very same concentration camps as the Boers and suffered the same apalling conditions until Emily Hobhouse was able to get the British Parliament to do something about it. Remember also that the British army had come to quell the Boers, not baby-sit their civilians - something they were neither trained nor equipped to do. If you want to blame someone, blame Lord Kitchener's lack of creativity as a commander before you lambaste the entire British race. Also, don't forget that the Boers could still be regarded as British subjects because the Netherlands had previously surrendered to the territory to Britain. The British had far stricter rules governing what their subjects were and were not allowed to do than the Dutch ever had - things like taking slaves from the native tribes by force. The Crown was simply not prepared to let her subjects 'do as they please' on lands that were officially ceded to Britain.

  • daspoort - 2011-02-16 23:10

    Then tell your mini-me woodwork puppet to stop calling for the shooting of farmers. And grow a pair mr Zuma and start raising you opinion, and stop trying to impress all the factions within the ANC

      Pilgrim - 2011-02-16 23:32

      JM failed woodwork and JZ failed Confusionism

      Jan - 2011-02-17 09:05

      @ pilgrim: But he has a special skill and a distiction in making people think he cares when he spouts BS. It is the same ability that Hitler and some cult leaders had - and some motivational speakers have - regarding speeches. Say nothing, make the right sounds, get the people worked up, make statements and promises but think about it later and he actually said nothing that makes sense or is realistically possible.

      Stevie - 2011-02-17 11:59

      @Jan Its called rhetoric, but to clarify: Rhetoric = a good man speaking well. Propaganda = a bad man speaking well.

  • Francois - 2011-02-16 23:12

    Jakop, om jou aan te haal:" “You can’t create an Orania, you must be part of South Africa and share in what we all share.” Ek het nie 'n Orania geskep of help skep nie. Kan ek nou asb my deel van die wapenskandaalgeld kry?

      paulb.adorndesign - 2011-02-17 07:41

      Ons moet deel wees van die land want hulle het ons geld nodig.

      lmduplessis - 2011-02-17 07:59

      Want sien hoe vinnig vergaan hierdie land sonder afrikaaner geld.

      kungfupanda - 2011-02-17 12:08

      Hulle het duidelik nie ons boere nodig nie

      Grazy - 2011-02-17 15:05

      Zotwa Was your langauge even dated?

      emile.marais - 2011-02-17 15:37

      Zodwa, Afrikaans is the youngest official language in the world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaans - I have respect for your culture, please do not change my mind due to your bigotry.

      lance.middleton - 2011-02-17 15:54

      @lmduplessis - Well said. Dit wys net dat die wit soos jy se "afrikaaner" hulle sake lekker vol gesteel het in die apartheid tyd en nou wil julle a groot geraas maak as die huidige government dieselfde doen.

  • TreeRat - 2011-02-16 23:15

    Well I guess some afrikaners might be happy with what he said, but it sounds like a bunch on nonsense to me. Carrying two passports? Fighting for freedom against the Brits? What's he trying to say?

      thusimnotho - 2011-02-17 07:58

      he is not trying to say, he is saying what you just read. i'm just like you sometimes, i look to criticize for the sake of it... just to get the talk going

      DT - 2011-02-17 07:58

      He's beating a dead horse with a stick yet again. One day they will grow up and start looking to the future instead of the past.

      lindorsu - 2011-02-17 08:10

      Read the (real) history - at least JZ did, or somebody told him. The Afrikaners are from Africa and Africa alone, they did, together with the black people of this country, fight against the oppression of the British, not once but at least 3 times. Thousands of them died for this country. But - for JZ to come forward at this time with this kind of "acceptance" of the Afrikaners in South Africa is nothing else than an election ploy. If he, and the ANC wants to do something they must stop all the racially based nonsens ie. BEE (and cronies), job quotas, murders, rapes, etc. It does not help to, suddenly, indicate that he (and the ANC) knows the true history of the country after they tried to rewrite it.

      Totman - 2011-02-17 08:26

      Treerat. He spoke to the Afrikaners, a tribe of South Africa, Africa. Maybe you are not and will not understand or do not want to understand. That was why he mentioned the 2 passport example. He talk of people that have nowhere else to go. That does not belong anywhere els. Yes, people who made mistakes, partly also due to what happen with them under the British, but still stay to correct it. They do criticizes the gov, but that you will get in a transition period and so many irregularities happens. Although they still stick with South Africa and still believe in it and Africa. If you still do not understand than you are not one of them and should not comment. Rather use your 2nd passport or apply for citizenship to Australia.

      Stevie - 2011-02-17 12:14

      @lindorsu The Afrikaners fought together with the blacks against British oppression? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... ... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Oh that was a good laugh. I needed that.

      Mgayi - 2011-02-17 12:24

      @TreeRat , He's trying to say that at one stage Afrikaners were disadvantaged ( that makes them PDI) and that they were freedom fighters ( that made them terrorists then) , hence his call for the true sons of the soil ( afrikaners) to join the Afrikaaner Nationale Kongress that he heads

      Delarey - 2011-02-17 14:47

      Running out of rubbish to say so he takes some old trash, mixes it up and tries to make it sound like new trash. JZ's attempt at kissing white boer butt for the sake of votes! Pathetic

      moiraine - 2011-02-17 16:04

      @Mqayi - English South Africans were also disadvantaged to an extent under Afrikaans rule. Government jobs, railways etc were kept for Afrikaners you very rarely found an English person working in these sort of jobs. Predominantly English provinces like Natal got much less money and resources than the predominantly Afrikaans provinces. So in that case you can then say that we were all PDI.Group areas act, apartheid etc were all brought in under Afrikaans rule, not British. In fact the Brits sanctioned South African and chucked them out the commonwealth. I am not saying that the British were angels and did not discriminate when they were in rule, but remember South Africa was ruled by the White South Africans from long before apartheid, although as a colony of Britain. Basically the English/Afrikaner/assorted Black tribes fought for control of South Africa from the beginning. Maybe the Afrikaner did fight Britain for control - but only to introduce apartheid. They were fighting for themselves, not the blacks.Remember Blood River @lindorsu - read the real history. The Afrikaner did not originally come from Afrika. They were a mixture of French, Dutch and German originally. Remember Jan Van Riebeck? The fact is both English and Afrikaans people in South Africa came from elsewhere originally just as the black tribes did too. Very few people can claim passports from elsewhere and that is what people dont understand. I see that Zuma is just trying to alienate the English now.

      Sagebrush - 2011-02-17 17:52

      Divide and rule.

      jouplesier - 2011-02-17 18:15

      stevie, you REALLY need to read up on history before making statements you know NOTHING about....for whats its worth, here: "On 28 October 1899, the newly formed Swaziland Commando unit moved against a British police post at Kwaliweni. The South African unit counted about 200 burghers, while the outpost only had 20 men." .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swaziland and theres a lot more where that came from.... please stop being so ignorant.

      Stevie - 2011-02-18 10:17

      @jouplesier One question: did you bother to read the whole article or just the first few paragraphs? "Swaziland was indirectly involved in the Second Boer War (1899–1902)" "Bhunu instead found himself unrestricted from colonial authorities for the first time. He soon felt free to settle old scores with political enemies." "...authorities were worried that the [Swazi] violence could expand towards the south-western border of Swaziland, where Boer farms were cultivated..." "A number of Boers fled into Swaziland. Only for the Swazi to disarm them and confiscate their cattle." "...the Queen was able to assure both Roberts and Smuts that she 'was doing her best to drive Boers out of her country'". "Joined by armed Swazis, the two regiments were able to capture about 30 Boers in an initial skirmish." "By early March, Smith-Dorrien noted that the Swazis were pillaging Boer residences." "On 8 March 1901, remnants of the Piet Retief Commando, accompanied by women and children, were attacked by forces supposedly under Chief Ntshingila Simelano. The latter consisted of about 40 men, including two riflemen. 13 Burghers and one African guide were killed, several wounded, the others were scattered. ... Ntshingila later denied any involvement in the massacre. In any case, the incident terrified several other Boers. ... about 70 burghers and various women children chose to surrender to Allenby rather than face the Swazis." I think it fairly clear that the Swazis were fighting on the side of the British but moreover used the instability of the war to settle internal political scores. They did not "fight with the Boers against British oppression".

  • Pilgrim - 2011-02-16 23:20

    Wat se hy? Dalk se hy dat ek in my kop moet bly Of dalk kan ek kaki klere aantrek en 'n sana aan my sy dra oppie plaas Miskien is dit Orania in my agterplaas... maar ek willie in Orania bly nie Dalk praat hy vir die eerse keer sonner dat iemand sy speech vir hom geskryf het Confusius het ook gese...

  • Bill - 2011-02-16 23:22

    Is JZ softening??

      damascus - 2011-02-17 08:31

      well due to the fact that afrikaners are all over the country, they can't simply want to demarcate a piece of land exclusively to themselves. rights of a whole take precedence to the rights of a few. there is no denying that that the English and Afrikaans speaking whites do belong here. it is much their home as the coloureds, blacks, indians and ect. with all our inherent differences we can all make this country work for all of us

      Logs01 - 2011-02-17 08:51

      No, he is licking some Afrikaner backsides, in order to calm growing resistance, knowing what the Afrikaners can achieve when they eventually are pushed too far and they strip their "moere". When the Afrikaners are pissed off and stand together, they will take on the DEVIL headon and win. Afrikaners sorted out the British and before that all the ethnic groups together in SA. AND come out TOPS.They made a NAME for themselves right accross the word, 1st, 2nd WW, Korea, North Africa, defending SA, etc. JZ knows he cannot allow Afrikaners to STAND together, with their 'turf" to fight for. Keep them spread out and in splinter groups as long as possible, while the ANC rape the country. Safest option for them!! Those that want to take me on, on my grammer, spelling, etc, go fuck yourselves.

      Logs01 - 2011-02-17 10:13

      @ntokozoe. Worried hey! Don't be! o, and I'm not going anywhere! The "new SA" is not the "ANC Cadre Alone SA". It is not white fighting Black, but right against wrong. Its about principals and the ANC's approach even messes up the lives of their own people and supporters. Currently it is actually black against black, also within the ANC. The "war" is already on, JZ knows where the Afrikaners pitch in together, when the time comes, that is the real dangerous side and political party. He knows that even if they stand on their own they are to be feared as a group. Afrikaners wants to work together on the "new SA" but also need "fairness" and a place in the "sun", NOT the ANC version of that. Even their own people are getting pissed off more and more everyday. If you want to make it a white black issue, or still live in the past as I can see from your post, you will come short and loose out, so don't be stupid, it will cost you dearly .

      Lanfear - 2011-02-17 10:28

      @ Logs01 - "Afrikaners sorted out the British" are you serious? You do know that the Afrikaners lost the 1st and the 2nd Anglo-Boer wars, as well as the 1914 Rebellion. If not for WWI and then WWII, and all the consequences world-wide thereof, we could still be a British colony. Britain lost interest in us, not the other way around [although the Afrikaner did want an independent republic, true]. And a big lol for you as well! Most of the Afrikaners mainly stayed at home during WWII, since they covertly supported Germany, as they still hated the British. A bit similar to what the Irish did. As to JZ's comments, well he has made similar comments in the past, and not before an election. Perhaps he is at least halfway sincere after all. For a politician anyway.

      ntokozoe - 2011-02-17 11:38

      @Logs01, dnt forget that black pple fought against Brits, they also helped the afrikaners during the anglo boer war. so dont heap the praise for the afrikaner sorting out the brits as if they did it alone. you r ignorant of the facts of history. no fears the boer and u know that and there is no reason to fear something that u have defeated already. also note that SA is not in mess as u exeggarate, unlike u, we critisise constructively because we take ownership of our government for we are the ones who put it in power. if you hate the ANC than you hate the majority of the SA people, infact you dont hate the ANC for what they are doing now, you hate it because it led the struggle that defeated the white regime that was brutal, unjust and new nothing about human rights. the way the ANC leads the country is not going to be defined by u and your mates but by the majority of the people who voted and who wants equality across the whole race. the AA policy does not discriminate but it is a tool to balance the inequalities of the past. until u understand that u will always view it as a discriminatory and that means u dont want a real reconsiliation in this country. afrikaners are no less or superior than any other race in this country. stop looking for a special treatment from the government.

      kleindeef - 2011-02-17 12:18

      @Lanfear Technicaly you are correct as to who actually "won" the war, albeit under the scorched earth policy. I do just want to point out that way more British soldiers died during the wars than did Afrikaner soldiers on the battleground. I am not so sure about your statement that the Brirtish lost interest in SA, because they stayed on long after the war. "Most of the Afrikaners mainly stayed at home during WWII, since they covertly supported Germany, as they still hated the British." - This statement of yours, are laughable. As far as I know it was a very small percentage of Afrikaners belonging to a group called "Die Ossewa Brandwag". Would somebody with the relevant historical knowledge please jump in here?

      Lanfear - 2011-02-17 12:45

      @ Kleindeef - ok, here is some evidence. It wasn't only the Ossewa Brandwag but also the far more powerful Broederbond [the organisation behind the NP, the HNP and the true architects of apartheid] that campaigned against signing up to fight for Britain against Germany. Before WWII started, the Afrikaner NP party joined with Jan Smuts' SAP party to form the UP. When WWII was declared, Afrikaner nationalists campaigned against SA joining Britain in the fight against Germany. Hertzog resigned from the United Party, made peace with Malan and became leader of the parliamentary Opposition. Jan Smuts took over as prime minister and leader of the UP. He also imprisoned the leaders of the anti-British protests until the end of the war. Today we find it abhorrent that anyone can think of supporting Hitler and Nazi Germany. But remember, at the time of the war, most of the atrocities were unknown. Most became general knowledge after the war . So it was perfectly logical that the British-hating Afrikaners would support Germany, especially since many of them were of direct German descent. Here are some on-line resources for you. I can also reference books and articles if you want. http://www.jstor.org/stable/4185756?seq=1 http://www.sahistory.org.za/pages/library-resources/onlinebooks/turningpoints/bk4/chapter3.htm http://www.sahistory.org.za/pages/people/bios/smuts-j.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_South_Africa_during_World_War_II#Manpower

      Logs01 - 2011-02-17 12:46

      @ntokozoe; "also note that SA is not in mess as u exeggarate" - Look around you, are you blind? Nobody as blind as those that don't WANT to see!! "if you hate the ANC than you hate the majority of the SA people" - The "hate" / "race" card again?. Never said that. Read my posts again: ANC is messing up their OWN people lives as well. Their own people are turning against them and there is In-fighting within the ANC... No excuses anymore for Bad "management" overpowering greed, corruption,lies, empty promisses,lawlessness, etc,etc,etc. "real reconsiliation in this country" is currently the ANC-Cadre-way or No-way. Not only the Afrikaners are pissed off (Not hate!!) at this, but a lot of other people, including the ANC's own. You are the one that "sticks" to the past (blame this, blame that, still after 17y) as an excuse and still "hates", to hide the incompetancies of your leaders. Wake-up, ifnot, you are either also on the gravy train (A Cadre), or in some Cadre's pocket or just plain stupid (as a human being). Note I did NOT say "black". Stupidity you find in ANY race and there is just no pill to fix that. Decide for yourself where you fit in.

      kleindeef - 2011-02-17 13:16

      @lanfear Online resources does not do it for me (not to be trusted). Your post actually relates to something I heard very little of previously. I am in no way trying to say you are completely wrong or trying to stick it to you. I merely do not agree with what sounds sort of like a conspiracy theory. I think its a bit of a stretch to say that "most" Afrikaners supported Hitler. PS. Will go to to the library sometime, to try find some proper books on the subject, although I don't think its at all possible to get any reliable number, for Afrikaners opposing the allies.

      kleindeef - 2011-02-17 13:35

      @ntokozoe "no fears the boer and u know that and there is no reason to fear something that u have defeated already" - Why does the ANCYL then still sing their song? "we critisise constructively" - Wow. I have never seen this constructive critisism you speak of. Only the odd fist fight now and then. "if you hate the ANC than you hate the majority of the SA people" - K@K "stop looking for a special treatment from the government." - Not looking for special treatment. Just equal treatment.

      Lanfear - 2011-02-17 14:41

      @ Kleindeef - oh please, I am a researcher, it is what I do, both on-line and physical. The only link I sent you that you may find a bit dubious, is wikipedia, since anyone can change/update. Websites such as JSTOR & sahistory.org are accredited and highly regarded and also linked with various universities world-wide. I may have exaggerated that "most" Afrikaners supported Hitler, since there are no specific numbers. But your statement also miss the point. They didn't support "Hitler" and his Nazism, they were actually more *against* Britain than *for* Germany. That is why I equated them with the Irish, who were neutral in WWII and refused to fight on the side of the English, for the simple reason that it was the *English*. And btw, in case you wondered, I am an Afrikaner myself on my mother's side and used to speak to my grandmother often [who lived during that time] about those days i.e. the Depression, WWII, rise of apartheid, etc. She always classified Jan Smuts as a "vuilgoed" because he supposedly sold out the Afrikaners to the British. I don't agree with her btw and have a lot of respect for the man Smuts was. Anyway, a couple of titles: Bloomberg, Charles. Christian Nationalism and the Rise of the Afrikaner Broederbond in South Africa, 1918-48. Harrison, David. The White Tribe of Africa: South Africa in Perspective. Dale, Richard. Afrikaner Renegades and the Conduct of World War II.

      Lanfear - 2011-02-17 14:52

      @ kleindeef - to add, it isn't some kind of "conspiracy theory", this is normal South African history! Wow, it often amaze me how little people know of history. And this in a time when all the conflict and racial divides in our country [and the wider world] are about things that happened in the past.

      Delarey - 2011-02-17 15:04

      Nice dream damascus. unfortunately only a dream.

      kleindeef - 2011-02-17 15:21

      @Lanfear "They didn't support "Hitler" and his Nazism, they were actually more *against* Britain than *for* Germany" This I can agree upon. The enemy of my enemy thing. This "they" were brobably in a minority though. The fact still remains. Our soldiers fought for the allies against the axis. Brittain was not in the war against the axis forces alone. My grandfather was one such soldier, and I sometimes cringed at his hatred for whom he termed the "Gerries". B.t.w. I am not a researcher, and do not rely on internet sites for any valid information, because I quite simply distrust web content. Will give the books you mentioned a shot, as your post triggered an honest curiosity regarding this subject.

      kleindeef - 2011-02-17 15:41

      @Lanfear You should not be amazed by the lack of knowledge regarding history. For most its an extremely boring subject. Most people do not care about history. There are the exceptions though. I love learning about history. I only have two prerequisites. 1) Credibilty of the source 2) Balanced opinion (Not written as the victor, but rather as an unbiased observer)

      Butterfly FX - 2011-02-17 15:58

      @Lanfear - you are probably the best person to ask. I am looking for a very concise book on SA history – going as far back as possible to as present as possible. My mom is quite a history fundie and I would like to purchase something like this for her. I know this is off the topic, but have been looking around for awhile now and haven’t found anything. Thanks. ;-)

      Lanfear - 2011-02-18 08:51

      @ Kleindeef, I agree. Objectivity [as far as humanly possible] and factual correctness and credibility is also my criteria for historical writings. It is sometimes fun though to read an obscure and/or opposing view and think on it from a different angle again. Unfortunately it is mostly the victors that dictate the history, although there always are [and were] opposing views. Even in today's world of media and speech "freedom", such dissending views are often surpressed, struggle to find printers, etc. A good example for instance, is the book "Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque, about millions of Germans civilians who were left to starve and deliberately killed after WWII. But I'm digressing. I just hope/wish that education systems would start paying a bit more attention the proper history again, it can be presented in an interesting way, it needn't be boring.

      Lanfear - 2011-02-18 12:41

      @ Butterfly FX - a few good books that give an overview of SA history in order of preference [IMO anyway]: - A History of South Africa by Leonard Thompson [2001] - The History of South Africa by Roger B. Beck [2000] - History of South Africa by Frank Welsh [2000] - A Concise History of South Africa by Robert Ross [2008]

      Butterfly FX - 2011-02-18 13:03

      Thanks Lanfear - much appreciated.. ;-)

      Totman - 2011-02-18 13:44

      @Lanfear & Kleinneef. I know it is late in this topic, but thought of saying something. It is good to see your interest in history. Some of you said that you even research it. Just a reminder. The books that you mentioned are not enough. You should start at least 40 years before and end at 40 years after while even knowing what happened before and after these times that I mentioned. A lot of small detail/indicators were left out with newer publications, however you get a better eagle view, unfortunately sometimes the author's. To get the black people's part you cannot only rely on the English versions. You must read the old Afrikaans versions as well and find those indicators. Not stating their part taking, but the mentioning. There are books that you can only find in a museum in Bloemfontein and than there are some that they don't even have. I am fortunate to have some of those. Only talking of the short times before and after the war you also have to keep in mind the emotions, gold, role play/greed of Rhodes[with his right hand Jameson], the inexperiences of Victoria, the fact that that Britain was nearly bankrupted by the war[it was in fact], the De Wet's influence in the emotion of people, the 1922 mistake of Jan Smuts[only to mention 1] the concentration camps influences and what it had on population growth[even that they had big families after that], etc.. Even Solidarity can find his start, in a way, as back as the "Voetplaat unie"[Train drivers and workers]LOL!!

  • Andy49 - 2011-02-16 23:22

    Can someone please interpret (correctly so as to not be taken OUT OF CONTEXT) exactly what he means when he says "Not a geographical area, but a psychological home..." then he says, rather contradicting that comment " but then I want to go to Nkandla (in rural KwaZulu-Natal). That’s where I belong." So he can have a geographical home called Nkandla but the Afrikaaners must create a psychological home?

      ryan.booysen - 2011-02-17 07:37

      andy he is saying, home is where the hart is.. i also think most of it is rubbish... but tbh, he is the first Pres. post APARTHEID (which is the natural cause of everything bad ;)) to say that a white person belongs in Africa as an African(er).. even if it is to get votes his followers will read this too and hopefully the metality will sink in. everyone here belongs here except for the criminals.

      paulb.adorndesign - 2011-02-17 07:43

      he wants us to go away but leave our money

      Mnumzane - 2011-02-17 07:47

      He meant a place you can call your home. A place where you feel happy to be at, where you can move with easy and share old jokes wth neigbhours, where you can move around with fear of stepping into another person's toes. Your Inkandla is a place where everyone in the sorround treats you like a brother or a sister. It is also a place where each family in the area knows the other family history.

      Mnumzane - 2011-02-17 07:49

      I meant: Where you can move without any fear of stepping into...

      kasterolie - 2011-02-17 07:55

      Great Comment ryan

      Observer - 2011-02-17 07:57

      @ Mnumzane - yes, that is exactly what JZ said. But it seems it should be in the Afrikaaner's head, not a physical spot. Almost like a play-play place, or a fairyland.

      DT - 2011-02-17 08:03

      Mnumzane, it's something every person wants - to live without fear.

      Sportfan - 2011-02-17 08:12

      I hope he gives this interview to the Sowetan and City Press etc. for all to read otherwise he is just trying to calm white Afrikaans South Africans down for easy killing.

      Totman - 2011-02-17 08:12

      As I understood it he said that you must be sometimes between your own people[ language, religion, tradition, upbring etc.], but also be part of South Africa. I also understood that he said that he has an advantage because a lot of "his" people are concentrate in certain areas and that it would be more difficult for the Afrikaners because they are so scattered around the country. Although he still wants them to get a way to fulfill those feelings/needs.

      damascus - 2011-02-17 08:32

      well due to the fact that afrikaners are all over the country, they can't simply want to demarcate a piece of land exclusively to themselves. rights of a whole take precedence to the rights of a few. there is no denying that that the English and Afrikaans speaking whites do belong here. it is much their home as the coloureds, blacks, indians and ect. with all our inherent differences we can all make this country work for all of us

  • Impi03 - 2011-02-16 23:24

    WOOOW WOOOW WOOOW I Want to jump in before to many people start slating what he is saying.... He means that we all want to find a place where we call home. For most South Africans IT IS HOME. WHAT he is saying is that we , As South Africans needs to understand that we all have a place. We All have different Cultures and Backgrounds BUT IN THE END Importantly WE ARE SOUTH AFRICAN. I See where he is going, and for once i'll stand up for him. Its the first time in Years he has said ANYTHING i agree with

      SharkBait - 2011-02-16 23:28

      If he is saying that all South African belong in SA, why are whites treated with disrespect by implementing BEE, etc?

      Impi03 - 2011-02-16 23:32

      I did say that i'm only Agreeing with this one statement. And US Whites needs to understand that if we cannot move forward as South Africans then we dont have a place. If we are not part of the Solution then we are part of the problem. We need to see past Race Colour and Culture and Embrace South Africa as a nation. Sadly most cannot do this

      Krugerpark Fellow - 2011-02-17 07:53

      Go Impi. At least you are intelligent enough to understand the man.

      freddy - 2011-02-17 07:57

      I agree with you

      Mike-O - 2011-02-17 10:52

      I agree too

      DT - 2011-02-17 16:27

      Maybe we'll embrace each other when we start looking at ourselves as human first. Zulu, Afrikaans etc second?

      TinyT - 2011-02-18 07:40

      What about the english speakers? We also have a home here...

  • mlh@24.com - 2011-02-16 23:25

    Electioneering, Mr. Zuma - thats all it is - electioneering. Dont you realise that the day you OUST Malema is the day that many more South Africans will TRUELLY listen when you speak. Until then.....its electioneering.

  • john - 2011-02-16 23:48

    Mr President, not just Afrikaners, not just the English-speakers, but also the blacks, coloureds and Indians of this country would find a "psychological home where he’s safe and has the freedom and confidence to live" if their PHYSICAL home was safe from intrusion by criminals. Unfortunately, as long as the police and justice systems conspire to produce miserable arrest and conviction rates, as long as the police add to the crime problem instead of reducing it, as long as the Metro cops solicit bribes as Standard Operating Procedure, and as long as the government insists on protecting the lives of the country's worst rapists and murderers at all costs, the perception is going to persist that this is a very friendly state towards criminals, and a very unfriendly one towards law-abiding citizens. That is not going to inspire confidence and peace of mind in anyone, least of all Afrikaners.

      kznsc - 2011-02-17 07:49

      Examplary speach Mr President you should have had this mindset a long long time ago to be more effective. Well said John, every single South African is in a psychological unsafe place with the state of criminality in this country. This happens from the top in goverment(You Mr president is one example)right down to the children of this country. The "boer" or the "afrikaner" is NOT your problem in society anymore, it is tolerance amongst all races and if you can eliminate the cause of this intolerance, MAY THIS COUNTRY become what is has always been for all. x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x HOME x x x x x x x x x x x x x x We proved we can live together with the 2010 Soccer we can do it again.

  • AJ - 2011-02-17 07:16

    Zuma spends time in Cape Town and Pretoriar rather, to call it 'work' is slightly disingenuous.

  • ahpretorius - 2011-02-17 07:21

    Eish! The Prez says he enjoys going to this physical place where he feels he belongs, but that Afrikaners should not be allowed to create their own physical space. An emotional place is sufficient for Afrikaners. Is the Prez saying Afrikaners should accept that they are 2nd class citizens and they must make peace with it?! Must be a challenge being a Minister and having to make sense of suvh nonsense.

      Totman - 2011-02-17 08:35

      What stop you from creating it? No-one. Do it. As long as it is part of South Africa. That is what he is saying. Some people are not staying where his "home" is. They feel it is not there people. You can follow the same policy.

  • Alwyn - 2011-02-17 07:27

    Zuma you will not buy votes this way,previous election you were hanging around Pretoria West making empty promisses,You wont give the whites a place,you wont get anybody into heaven and the ANC will lose4 a lot of support in the upcoming elections

      brazach - 2011-02-17 08:38

      jy is maal

      Alwyn - 2011-02-17 15:05

      En jy moet leer om te spel

  • Allin - 2011-02-17 07:29

    Too many words to read seeing they come from a politician... Did he say Afrikaners will go to hell if they don't vote for the African National Circus?

  • Anon123 - 2011-02-17 07:30

    Yup now he seasons us with his positive remarks only because the elections are coming. And then tell me if we are such an important group in SA why do they rename all our towns, roads, aiports etc - to me the president is contradicting himself - here he acknowledges our presence but the gov seems to want to erase any trace of our existence whatsoever. I can guarantee you if there weren't groups who protected places like the Voortrekker monument etc they would have been demolished years ago...... Makes you think we are only part of this country when there are elections. There is only one home for me, the DA

      damascus - 2011-02-17 08:39

      they are not "your towns, roads, airports and ect", they belong to the whole country. unless you think that the afrikaners are the only group in this country that deserves to be embraced

      Lisa - 2011-02-17 13:32

      Oh shame damascus. It might be difficult for you to understand, but I will try and explain. When Anon123 siad "our towns, roads,ect" he meant 'our country' and not a specific race you asshole. 'Our' meaning everybody in the country. How pathetic can you be.

      damascus - 2011-02-18 11:37

      Lisa, your disconnectedness clearly shows here, we all know that the names that have been changed are the names of Afrikaner leaders including the architects of the past regime. So when Anon says “our”, he means his Afrikaner heritage. It is clear fact that the Afrikaner community has been up in arms over most name changes in this country. Being that the context of this article is about the Afrikaner and his or her place in the country, my comment is much more credible than your half baked attempt of trying to cover your ignorance.

  • francois.roux1 - 2011-02-17 07:34

    We did have an Nkandla, in fact we had many of them. These were also Nkandla's for many black people, coloured people, Indian people and so on and so forth. Unfortunately they've now mostly been renamed(at great expense, but that's off topic) and the one or two that are left are soon to be renamed as well. To worsen the situation, all the other spiritual Nkandla's we had, such as being proud South Africans and I think that's perhaps the biggest Nkandla, are also being taken away from us by certain elements who claim we are not African and we don't belong here and we should thus go back to Europe or where ever else we come from. Dear Mr president, you and your cronies are digging a hole for yourself, not only with Afrikaans, Indian, coloured, Asian and all the others, but with black people as well. Because you are destroying any hint of one-ness we had, you are destroying everyone's Nkandla by dividing us and entrenching hate, despise and racism amongst us. You will wake up and realise this far to late for even your own good and by that time your very own Nkandla will be burning with broken bottles, tyres and bodies littering the streets and it will be of your own doing and your own people's retaliation.

      Fluke - 2011-02-17 08:04

      How right you are, and how sad it is. Years ago I proudly voted in a referendum, hoping for a colour-blind South Africa. Yet, as time passes, we have been made more and more aware of race by government's own policies.

      Peace - 2011-02-18 12:42

      There's nothing to be destroyed, we were never one, the apartheid system made it worse. I'm not a big fan of the government but lets the facts that these guys took an already devided country and that could take many years to fix especially when the boer think they are the ones targeted more than any one in this country. Crime affects everyone in this country, the country is still dealing with the socio-economic imbalance that was created by the apartheid system. This country is not owned by any specific group like the zulus or the boere, it belongs to all who live in it and I support the name changing of places. Peace to all

  • steven - 2011-02-17 07:37

    2 words come to mine, the last one is YOU. What a load of drivel....

  • Mlu - 2011-02-17 07:38

    Well said my President.

      braveinternetguy - 2011-02-18 22:25

      I read this in Leon Schuster's voice

  • csd@24.com - 2011-02-17 07:40

    Various ethnic groups are concentrated in various areas - they have land exclusively controlled by die ethnic group via Traditional Leaders (not only head space). Dissolve the traditional leadership structure and landownership and then talk about a psychological home. Not all Afrikaaners are white, not all wants to live in Orania - but they should have a place to go to if they want (if traditional land is available to his clan). So only people who fighted in a revolution and have only one passport are loyal? Wonder how many expats still have two passports? I agree, this is a bad attemt to attract the white afrikaans vote. Let us rather focus on what is the best for South Africa

  • Picasso - 2011-02-17 07:42

    When the Afrikaner do have their own Nkandla like a Afrikaner holiday reserve the blacks are very quick to complain. Sorry Zuma, I'll still not vote for you.

      gomza4life - 2011-02-17 09:03

      May God haelp U, racists are stupid people, qha! U will be welcome at inkandla any day or any time, you won't be chased away because U have an albinish skin.....dork! We don't need your vote...keep voting for your white party maan! and have sleepless nights over JZ, Julius and the ANC and live unhappy ever after .... this is what his helping U to get over!

      Picasso - 2011-02-17 09:53

      Is this english you're writing?

      analle.vratte - 2011-02-17 10:47

      Sodra n plekkie gestig word wat wel HOME genoem word, En die minusipaliteit wel werk en als is soos dit was, Sal die Lui witmens net weer n Ousie of Booi kry om vir hulle te werk. Dis waar als begin het stupids!!!! Raak ontsle van hulle en hulle het geen rede om in die buurte te wees nie. Hoefeel mense se ousies het nie al copys van julle huis sletels gemaak nie. Kyk bietjie *Good Buy Africa* Was jou eie kar,gee Boetman R50- Om die gras te sny. Laat vrou self huiswerk doen.-Hou op om Hulle te nooi en Jaloers te maak. Doen dit self, Raak ontslae van daai Boep.

      moiraine - 2011-02-17 16:19

      @gomza - I had a brick thrown at my car not so far from nkandla a few months ago. Is that how you welcome all your guests? It didnt make me feel welcome at all.

  • Lou_is - 2011-02-17 07:44

    Dear President Zuma, you only need to deliver on your promises to get votes, stop the BS. Not all of us are as naive as your alliance members.

      clive.brink - 2011-02-17 08:06

      President Zuma is quite correct, we must find our own "Nkandla", a safe environment and psycological "home that we can escape to. But Mr President we have some, one such is the vicinity of the slaughter of Blood River, but you and Julias Malema will not be happy if we worship and celebrate that occasion and in/on that vicinity. Otherwise I am quite happy to flee to my rightful place of Heritage, the Boer Republic of Vryheid, which Mr Zuma's ancestors agreed to pay and rewrd the Boer people with. We have been driven, hounded and bred out of all places that are dear to us in South Africa, Orania was a compromise with a small group of people who fraudulently claim to represent the Afrikaners while in fact they are a very small group of splintered confused people, still the remnants of De Klerk and Neil Barnard's plan to waylay, placate, and confuse the Afrikaner. So if we need our own Nkandla Mr Zuma, how about recognising our right to the area of the Boer Republic of Vryheid. We can take it further from there!

  • grottobay1 - 2011-02-17 07:45

    Oom Jakob.Ek het geen Nkandhla nodig om my kop in te park nie.Ek het n reg nes jou kultuurgroep (wat ook n laatkomer in SA was)om te bly waar ek wil,my kultuur te geniet waar ek wil en n demokratiese land te geniet soos ek wil. AL WAT EK VRA, is respekteer my daarvoor soos ek jou kultuur respekteer.Gee my dieselfde geleenthede wat die ander 'kultuur" groepe het.Sit n stop aan JOU mense wat ons altyd wil verkleineer.DIS AL.Dankie dat oom geluister het.

      william.botha - 2011-02-17 07:53

      Jy het darem snaakse familie??

  • Anna - 2011-02-17 07:48

    Ek is 'n Afrikaner en ek is trots op President Zuma. Lyk my meeste van die mense wat hier skryf is vol gif of sommer net verveeld. Kry 'n lewe van jou eie en hou op om so negatief te wees. Suid Afrika is nog steeds 'n wonderlike land met 'n toekoms.

      Alwyn - 2011-02-17 08:18

      Dit se nie veel van jou nie,Hy is n bedrieer,verkragter,bigamis,K@Kprater en jy is trots op hom?,Maak n afspraak by n sielkundige,jy het dit dringend nodig

      Picasso - 2011-02-17 08:54

      Nee Anna, jy is deur die mis. Nou voor die verkiesing praat hy ewe skielik al die k@k. Dink vir jouself. Daar is 'n verskil tussen positief wees en blind wees.

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-02-17 09:10

      Totally Agree Alwyn...Anna, jy kan nie die woord "trots" en "Zuma" in die selfde sin gebruik nie !!! I'm an English speaking South African Indian....

      Judge DREAD - 2011-02-17 12:44

      Anna, JY is scary- hoe kan jy trots wees op so stuk *&^%$## - maak oop jou oe doll !!

      Grazy - 2011-02-17 13:04

      Anna, onthou Piet Retief. Word wakker.

      REALIST - 2011-02-17 15:58

      laat lees asseblief so gou as moontlik jou kop! trots op 'n verkragter, rasis en dief...

  • scooter moepeng - 2011-02-17 07:49

    What is he trying to say>>HAHAHAHAH> whatever he says: we are not gonna vote for ANC

      thuthukag - 2011-02-17 09:34

      Who is "we"? The reason I ask is purely for context. If you refer to the afrikaaner, boer or whatever the preference, they (ANC) has done ok without your vote Since '94. Is it possible that what he speaks is more than campaigning? I have read many articles from afrikaaners expressing that they too are africans, and belong here just as much as the next man. This has clearly been a sore point for most of these writers and commenter. Here's our president endorsing your point of view, and it's still met with this type of response. What would you have prefered he say on the subject?

      sanodn - 2011-02-17 09:51

      @thuthukag - I agree. Sometimes it doesn't matter what Zuma does or says, some people will always hate him and think he is stuffing everything up. I'm a English-speaking white and, to be honest, Zuma pays the least attention to us (especially after he said that we aren't true Africans!), but that shouldn't get me into a hysterical name-calling fit.

      DT - 2011-02-17 15:14

      Thuthukag, afrikaaners don't 'win' either. The only thing Zuma has done is acknowledge the role boere had in this country. If he wanted to do more than campaign why did he not offer up some solutions to the situation with the farms (workers as well as the farmers - both sides are just as important as each other)? A closed mind will see it as the boere must find their own piece of nkandla while the supporters of the ANC are offered cheap houses. As a group, the boers will stick together to support each other(like the xhosa's and the zulus etc) but then some writers will see it as whites still owning everything. If we can't stop fighting with each other because of all the external reasons we can find - no one can ever win. The ANC has run out of chances for many.

  • Zakhele - 2011-02-17 07:50

    They already have many of these spiritual homes. But our own government encourages a culture of blacks chasing after their spiritual homes because it is lazy to go break new grounds itself. Want the truth Mr. Zuma?

      Wessel - 2011-02-17 12:55

      @Thuthukag and sanodn,you must be gatkrypers.I think they lost long time ago there votes but coruption there is.The ANC are counting votes.Wy do you think that they gave all the Zim people sitenship so quickly.In no other country you will get sitesint for jumping fencing.And in any other way the strikers that want some work they will not get a Zimbawe man or woman already got there job.More than a milion jobs by Zim people and our own people of South Africa must stay hungry.I dont cear if ANC stay they must just do a good job of it.This country can be strong with the write people in charge.Dont look at spelling.I dont write books.

  • jobs12002 - 2011-02-17 07:51

    Want hulle kort die afrikaner se geld , die anc supporters betaal nie belasting nie hulle sit almal op grants

  • ji - 2011-02-17 07:53

    yes zuma if you can stop your brothers from killing and stealing from the whites we will have a place to feel safe , its called our homes . STOP THE CRIME , BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY

      coonpsycho - 2011-02-17 08:00

      if you steal: take theirs away. if they rape: chop off that thingy. if you murder: die. its easy.

      ji - 2011-02-17 12:46

      @thuthukag , I was responding to zumas comment "The Afrikaner should find his own Nkandla, President Jacob Zuma said " thats why I said whites , yes all crime should stop but we know that will not happen as long as the ANC is in power. try read others comments without your racist thoughts and maybe then you will understand what others are saying .

      kleindeef - 2011-02-17 12:51

      @thuthukag I think you are missing ji's point. Since JZ's interview was about "Afrikaners" (white people), do you not think that comments in this thread should be about white people's concerns? Remember, nobody can be PC at all times. Do you really believe that ji wishes crime to continue within the non-white communities. Nowhere in his/her post do I see what you see. PS. Crime needs to stop in all communities.

      thuthukag - 2011-02-17 14:01

      Gentlemen, If your first words in a comment contain "stop your brothers from killing and stealing from the whites", it's pretty hard to get any underlying points. @ji, I understand perfectly what others are saying. What you are saying still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Kleindeef, point taken, However, his words are still condescending and downright offensive. There is no running away from that.

  • Anna - 2011-02-17 07:53

    Ek is 'n Afrikaner en trots op my mense en op President Zuma. Suid Afrika is nog steeds 'n wonderlike land om in te woon, die mense moet net leer om minder negatief te wees en fout te vind met alles. Ek vind meeste van die kommunikasies baie negatief en sommiges in baie swak smaak.

      pop101 - 2011-02-17 08:15

      You don't get out much do you? Time you leave you Trellidor jail, 3m high wall plot, get in your central locking car and go buy a newspaper. Go back to your house, read the paper and tell me you are still positive.

      thuthukag - 2011-02-17 11:51

      @Anna, moeinie aan hierdie poephol steur nie.

      exocist - 2011-02-18 11:07

      WAG TOT JY N' STATISTIC WORD ANNE DAN KOM WEER HIER EN SKRYF OOR HOE MINNER NEGATIEF JY NOG IS, DIE TYD STAP AAN ANNE DIS NET N' QUESSIE VAN WANEER. PAPPA HET SEKER VIR JOU N' KLOMP GELD GELOS EN JY HOEF NIE MET JOU WIT VEL WERK TE GAAN SOEK, DINK NET AAN AL DAAI ARME BLANKES, KLEURLINGE EN INDIERS WAT GEKWALIFESEERD IS, WAT SONDER WERK SIT EN HUL KINDERS WAT MIN KOS KRY, VRA VIR HULLE OM NIE NEGATIEF TE WEES NIE , WAT VAN ALL DIE MILLJOENE SWARTES WAT OOK HONGER BED TOE GAAN TERWYL N' PAAR WAT BO SIT SOOS KONINGS LEWER (VERSKOON MY AFRIKAANS EK IS N' BOER WAT IN ENGELS GROOTGEMAAK IS)

  • Gazwa - 2011-02-17 07:54

    The man is a genius, he is the master of spin, a man who speaks with a forked tongue, a religious man who has a sidekick to do his dirty work for him, an honest man, a man with integrity and one who advocates love and peace for all......ha ha who the hell am I trying to fool. He's a politician...

  • Observer - 2011-02-17 07:54

    Couldn't make any sense of what he's saying. A psychological home? - WTF???? So everybody should go into a trance when they want to feel at home? Huh? Gee, this oke talks a load of absolute hogwash.

  • English Lady - 2011-02-17 07:55

    Because I am not afrikaans or zulu, or venda - I am an ENGLISH speaking South African where do I fit into this?????????? I also dont hold 2 passports - PLEASE EXPLAIN !!!!!!!!1

      Totman - 2011-02-17 08:45

      He was addressing the Afrikaners. You are still a fellow South African without 2 passports.

      Sh@rks Fever - 2011-02-17 08:45

      You are just as South African as anyone else. If you were born here, grew up here and live here you are a true South African like anyone else. Zuma is either trying to campaign for Afrikaners to vote for him or he is trying to change the mindset of so many African people that still associate us Afrikaners to opression and Apartheid. By the way the whole of SA is my nkandla. However to make my nkandla better the criminals in this country needs to find their own nkandla. a dark place where they suffer as we sometimes have to in our own country.

      Leeutjie - 2011-02-18 00:07

      Well just get two passports then you know where you fit in.

  • aninagvi - 2011-02-17 07:56

    With a government in total chaos, the aim is to turn the attention to something else, such as the idiotic statement made. Like in the old SA give the afrikaners their own homeland. No, they're to scared, cause it will be bigger than the new SA within 10 years, and will be classed as a safe first world country, without corruption.

  • Lou_is - 2011-02-17 07:57

    Dear Mr President, you only need to deliver on your promises to get votes, you can stop the BS. Not all of us are are naive as your alliance partners. Please don't tell me that you visited the Afrikaner community, when you have met with white squatters, the Orania squatters and Solidarity. They do not represent the Afrikaner.

  • JohannV - 2011-02-17 07:57

    We had one, Jakoppie, it was called the RSA. Thanks for stuffing up 350 years' hard work.

  • coonpsycho - 2011-02-17 07:58

    Geen probleem Zuma, ons sal vir jou stem. Maak net seker ons kry al die tenders. pppfffffffttt

  • Icepick - 2011-02-17 07:58

    Methinks the president doth protest too much..

  • DR House - 2011-02-17 07:58

    right....

  • WiseOwl2 - 2011-02-17 07:59

    Eisssh !! what about the English speaking caucasians who are also alienated and deprived in this country ???????

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-02-17 08:16

      By who?

      thuthukag - 2011-02-17 12:06

      Don't know why you feel "alienated and deprived" or by whom, but in my observation, English people do generally tend to just get on with it (life, love, fun) without kicking up a fuss about every little thing. Casing point, I find that south of the boerwors curtain there exists a generally wonderful cosmopolitain lifestyle where people work well and mix well socially (not implying there are no afrikaans people in the northern suburbs of JHB, or that none are aparty to what I'm refering). Stray north, hoooo, what a miserable bunch. Those from there may take offence, but it is my observation and opinion. Total different culture. Anyway, I think this particular address was to the afrikaans community specifically. He'll probabaly address our English countrymen when they form a AngloForum, LOL :)

      DT - 2011-02-17 16:34

      You're right thuthukag... I'm born in SA but my parents are british. The only thing that really rattles our cages is when there's no tea in the house.

  • Wesley - 2011-02-17 08:00

    blah blah blah blah...

  • lldoidge - 2011-02-17 08:00

    Piss off Zuma! The fact that the English whites didn't fight a war doesn't mean they are less South African. Besides the english whites were also discriminated against during apaprtheid. Most of the whites fighting against apartheid were english! Oh by the way JZ. You have just said that some afrikaaners want to be called boers. Then why sing "kill the boer"? Understand the irony of your comment? Nah! didn't think so.

      christostrydom - 2011-02-17 08:22

      Yes mister Zuma, all 2 were english and 1 was afrikaans. And yes mister Zuma, do you see the millions of english whites living in the squater camps today - the english were truly discriminated against by the NP run goverment.

      ntokozoe - 2011-02-17 09:52

      the president was only speaking about afrikaners, he never mentioned indians, blacks or colored or chinese or pakistan or arabs living in SA. he was merely talking about afrikaners.

      Stevie - 2011-02-17 12:29

      @ntokozoe Seriously dude, go back to school. You need it. I suggest you focus on the subjects English and History because your proficiency in both leaves much to be desired (even though it's REALLY good for "teh lulz").

      moiraine - 2011-02-17 16:27

      @christo actually jobs were reserved for Afrikaans and more money was sent to Afrikaans provinces. However, English speaking people got on and got jobs on their own in other industries. My father applied for a job in the railways in the 60s and was told No because he was English. When he mentioned that he had an Afrikaans Granny he was offered one. Dont think I am saying that the English were treated the same as non-whites just that they werent quite as good as the Afrikaans were.

      DT - 2011-02-17 16:40

      Stevie... why does Ntokozoe need to go back to school? I don't recall reading anything in that article that talks about other races either. Forgive me as I'm new to this but it seems that if someone posts a comment another person doesn't like, it automatically means you can call them stupid etc. So can you please explain your post as I'm not all that fluent in stupid.

      Stevie - 2011-02-18 10:51

      @ DT His comment to which I replied has been deleted. I was implying he go back to school because his history was very wrong, not because he said something stupid.

      DT - 2011-02-18 13:15

      Okay Stevie, thanks for the reply. I was wondering why your comment was so obscure. Apologies for my comment then.

  • Elmarie Gentle - 2011-02-17 08:01

    How the Hell can we share everything in the "the new South Africa" if you shut the doors on us because we are white, so instead tenders gets given out like lucky packets to every person who offers the relevant person a bribe. I was at bathroom bizzare the other day when a casual labourer aproached me to ask if i can build low cost houses and produced a doc from Goverment wher he has been awarded a tender for 50 houses. How is this possible? The same goes for the methodist minister which gets a tender to build roads and he doesnt even know how to push a wheel burrow. So how the hell can we share everyting and live together if it is one way trafic where you can get tenders in exchange for a bucket of chicken?

      YasButIDunno - 2011-02-17 08:23

      It's called a wheelbarrow Elmarie. Sounds like you are qualified for the job ;)

      braveinternetguy - 2011-02-18 22:35

      @YasButIDunno : You don't contribute much to the conversation by merely (and facetiously) pointing out the mistake. Elmari makes a valid point and should perhaps go to the media with it, rather than the entire argument being dismissed based on a simple writing error.

  • HAYIKE - 2011-02-17 08:03

    Well said Mr President

  • sonnyg - 2011-02-17 08:05

    Ventersdorp??

  • jnrb71 - 2011-02-17 08:05

    Mr President, you said it man! "Afrikaners’ unique history and how this distinguishes them from other whites in the country." The white English speaking South Africans are the only group in this country who refuse to learn a second language, but in their view they are always "so superior". I really don’t understand how they can think that. For example go to Atlantic Beach Golf Estate in Cape Town and attend one of the home owners meetings. The way these people shout, scream, heckle and throw insults around at meetings is appalling, especially after a few beers. And then they say we Afrikaners are "backwards and out of the bush". This is now despite the successes of various Afrikaners in the business world and elsewhere e.g. Anton Rupert, Chris Barnard etc. I can only shake my head in disbelief.

      lldoidge - 2011-02-17 08:26

      I can speak afrikaans as can many english speakers because we were FORCED to learn it at school. Let's not get into listening to people after a few beers? Who has ever said you are backward and out of the bush? You're a troll trying to stir!

      Moi1980 - 2011-02-17 09:58

      @jnrb71 - I'm a white english speaking South African and I have learnt another 2 languages in addition to English. I've never insulted any Afrikaners or any other racial/ethnic group. Pity you can't keep your narrow minded insults to yourself.

      sean.redmond3 - 2011-02-17 10:03

      Troll.................

  • Lize Swartz - 2011-02-17 08:06

    Ja I also think he is sincere. Maybe he doesn't know that many Afrikaners have their Nkandla in a fishing village where they grew up, or on a farm in the Karoo. But he talks sense - there's nothing like going to a place and feeling totally at home and at peace.

  • peterctew - 2011-02-17 08:06

    No, the afrikaner cannot do that because they will be labelled as racists...

  • a - 2011-02-17 08:06

    Transparent populist electioneering. *Sigh*

  • Philosopher - 2011-02-17 08:06

    Very wise words JZ. You are talking like a politician now. It's good to see you growing up over the last few years.

  • Sandra - 2011-02-17 08:08

    For the record, there are many white South Africans who are not Afrikaners, but have contributed to the development of South Africa, and do not carry 2 passports... I am an African, albeit with a white skin whose mother tongue is English.

      siphosonke.ndlovu - 2011-02-17 08:33

      All people who lived or live in SA have / are contributing to the country...

      kleindeef - 2011-02-17 13:58

      @Sandra JZ was talking to the Afrikaners, not the English speaking South-Africans. I do however think there is a bit of a grey area, because alot of white people here, have parents whose home languages differ. I don't think our English speaking compatriats need to be so sensitive over this issue. The devide between English and Afrikaans speaking white South Africans are probably much smaller than we realise.