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Apartheid continues in dysfunctional education: Vavi

2012-07-08 22:40

Johannesburg - Apartheid will not end and black people will not experience real freedom until free and high quality education becomes a reality, said Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi on Sunday.

"Education is certainly not free and equal for all, we have huge inequalities in our education provision."

Vavi was speaking at the opening of the Equal Education national summit in Tembisa, north of Kempton Park.

"After 18 years of democracy, our education system still reproduces both racial and class inequalities over and over again...the struggle for the transformation of education and training is far from over," said Vavi.

He said similar inequalities were seen in health care, public transport, housing and all basic services.

Vavi said the textbook scandal in Limpopo was a sign that the education system in the country was dysfunctional.

"Only seven percent of schools have libraries, only five percent have stocked science laboratories and just one percent of the schools have internet access," he said.

He said if the children of politicians and business people had been affected by the textbook scandal in that province, the matter would have been dealt with speedily.

"In fact the entire education system would have long undergone significant change for the better."

Vavi said all those who had the power to be "heard" should be ashamed that there was a large gap between leaders and those that have placed them in power.

"As the general secretary of more than two million workers across the length and breadth of this country, I offer our unconditional apology to the affected children and parents."

He said for the education to improve in the country, teachers, parents, governing bodies and government officials had to change their mind-sets.

"We must wage a war on the kind of gross incompetence we witnessed in Limpopo and in many other provinces. If officials are not doing their job their heads must roll.

"We cannot tolerate a culture of mediocrity, and mortgaging our children's future."

 

Comments
  • al.chemist.7106 - 2012-07-08 22:44

    Wow, just wow... Under apartheid, there was an education. Under the ANC, that has turned into nothing more than a joke

      RabbleRouser - 2012-07-08 22:58

      Vavi needs to chat to his ANC buddies in government. It's their stuff up. They must explain why they have enforced this Apartheid education system. It's a lot worse than the old Apartheid education under the NATS.

      jack.oosthuysen - 2012-07-08 23:31

      Education starts at home. First you educate yourself to plan your family in accordance with your income. Having said from next year we will find that 75pc of school childrens mothers are younger than 22. Some will even be still at school, thanks to the goverments allowance for single parents.

      geronimo.feather - 2012-07-08 23:38

      After 18 long years in government, what has the ANC done to improve the standard of education? Nothing. If anything, it is worse. They only have themselves to blame but of course "Apartheid" is a much more convenient excuse. Kids in matric today weren't even born in Apartheid FFS.

      FoodforThought - 2012-07-08 23:46

      It continues to amaze me how after 18 years we still hold on to the past, and how we speak more about how we want to change what happened than talk about the future and what can be done to achieve it...

      scouter.fourone - 2012-07-09 00:03

      Well, it was only a matter of time before apartheid and the ills of the past got dragged once more out of the closet in order to excuse ANC non-performance. Why are we all not surprised by this latest earth moving revelation?

      rupesh.hari.7 - 2012-07-09 00:07

      Vavi- you are a mo.... f..... you are sitting as part of the govt for how many years and you say the education system is dysfunctional. What have you done other than call it dysfunctional. Everyone already knows that, it is not a revelation from God. your apology means f*&^ all. Its a wasted year for those students. I am angry for those students, i am angry for their parents, i am angry at your and your government's failure. Take your apology and stuff it. its the trade union's refusal to have the teachers tested that is part of the root of the problem. Fire the incompetent ones but you don't want them fired.

      scouter.fourone - 2012-07-09 00:13

      What does this muppet and the ANC not understand about the concept of 'quality education'? You actually have to pay for it in the real world, in which I live.

      Mark - 2012-07-09 01:54

      The ANC and COSATU put young blacks in a double bind, firstly the public schools deliver a fraudulent education, with many blacks graduating without the ability to read, write or understand math at even a sixth grade level. Then the trade union enforced minimum wage says that if these matriculants can't produce R1050' worth of goods or services a month, they don't deserve a job. Oh Vavi, look at your own stinking education/economic policies before you use the A word, lest you look like another A word. (I mean 'ass' of course.)

      Mark - 2012-07-09 02:11

      We have to spread this kind of message to the unions and the government: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85OIBOSJTwg

      james.rossouw - 2012-07-09 02:13

      Largely because of genetic factors and partly because of advantages of nurturing that cannt be re-distributed by Govt people differ in aptitudes.

      carpejugulim - 2012-07-09 06:37

      Vavi the calender reads 2012 and apartheid should have been dead and buried 18 years ago when the anc took over the government. Apartheid will never die because you will not let it because it is far easier to wave the tired motheaten apartheid flag than to acknowledge government incompetence. The discrepancy in education standards is caused by the mindset of "freedom before education" and the anc is in charge of education along with healthcare, housing and a whole lot of other services that should have improved over the last 18 years but haven't ... if anything they have gotten worse. Yes this is apartheid but it is an anc led apartheid because they are so busy trying to lay the blame on the past instead of acknowledging responsibility and accountability and actually doing something about it and you Vavi are as guilty as they are

      eduardhomes - 2012-07-09 06:40

      yip.....I give up on trying to find a wise politician. They(Especially ANC & Co...in South Africa) never look at the who is currently in charge and "hang on, what is happening and why can you not do your job?")..instead, they would look for that white man that was in charge 20years ago and say .... that "is" the problem.

      deabreu - 2012-07-09 07:21

      Vavi is the one that needs to go to school to get a proper education. Everytime that thing opens its hole, rubish pours out.

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-07-09 08:22

      So after the kids in Limpopo never received textbooks six months into the school year and after the available books were actually burned. It turns out, reported in the Mail and Guardian, that the boss of the company responsible for the textbook saga is an old friend of JZ and actually travelled to the USA with him. Ironically he also fund’s JZ’s educational trust and has built a home for the family of JZ’s deceased friend. Isn’t it funny that the story started with poor little black children in Limpopo, South Africa who have not received schoolbooks for six months and everywhere one looked and followed the trail of money and corruption, there was a corrupt person behind it, from the supplier of the books to the president of South Africa, Congolese warlords, NBA sport stars, Nigerian businessmen right up to the Socialist Black Kenyan president of the USA. Corruption everywhere and then they want to tell us they care about the children and Vavi has the nerve to blame apartheid!! http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Textbooks-Vlakplaas-man-speaks-20120708

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-07-09 08:31

      Textbook boss's links to Zuma http://mg.co.za/article/2012-07-06-16-textbook-bosss-links-to-zuma

      mariuskowie - 2012-07-09 09:05

      By extending apartheid sentiment for the ANC's current failures is to indirectly blame whites for the current educational system incompetence. This type of indirect racism is more damaging than anything Malema ever did with his in your face racist approach. Why doesn't Vavi place the blame where it should be. At his comrades in the ANC and even himself. The ANC should be taken to court for grose human rights violations. The individuals responsible should be charged criminally and fired from the government.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-07-09 09:53

      Yes Vavi Apartheid does continue, only now it is in the blacks comunity only, between the "have gots and the have got nothing"

      trevor.govender.969 - 2012-07-09 12:04

      My domestic worker is now, on her measly R5k -R7k pm or so that she collects from the houses she works at, looking for a PRIVATE SCHOOL to send her 11year old daughter to. At least she has woken up to the reality that without a proper education her daughter is doomed...and since the government has failed she can only get it from a private provider...For her it is now or russian roulette in 7 years...so there isnt any time left to lose. I talk to her and realise the desperation in the situation. It is trully heart breaking. The irony of it, however, is that the councillors come around feeding them empty promises (on everything not only education) that they believe things will change...and she continues to vote them in...the worst is that she hasnt even considered voting for another party...the two options are...vote ANC or Dont vote at all. Whether the government cant deliver decent education, whether the mother is insane to continue doing the same thing hoping things will chane in voting for the same government,the reality is that there is a kid that has the odds mounted up against her future before she even enters the world...and she is TOTALLY helpless to change her situation.

      JuditVictor - 2012-07-09 12:39

      What utter nonsense. Hong Kong's bay is STILL called Victoria Bay. Did the Chinese go all out to change names and remove the English when Hong Kong went back to China. NO! They went on with business to grow. They did not sit in rooms to discuss name changes and petty things. They will blame apartheid forever. Heard the sex doctor on 702 blame apartheid for men's stupidity of women's sexuality, because hey.... they were gone so long to war. Isn't American, England, Afghan, EVERYONE at war all of the time. Get the hell on with the job. WHO threw the books away? Was it a lot of stupid old boere who wanted to sabotage your children - NO! it's a lack of will to get ahead. Could it be that the black man's hatred of the white man overrides his fear of poverty. This is insane. It's 20 years.

      louis.olivier.988 - 2012-07-09 17:29

      This creep has done so much damage to this country. What a waste of a black skin, what aring gear

      aristar.aristary - 2012-07-09 22:21

      I wish the ANC would take responsibility for the garbage that they insist on teaching the children instead of pumping them full of political garbage.

  • koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-07-08 22:44

    So who exactly is causing this "new" apartheid?

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-07-08 22:47

      imaginary foreign agents and antirevolutionaries

      Roelof.Richter - 2012-07-08 22:54

      the devil, lol

      Cassandra Eileen Olivier - 2012-07-08 22:58

      The ANC, the disgrace of a woman's league and the ANCYL

      RabbleRouser - 2012-07-08 23:08

      The elected leaders of the country - by the people and for the people. You get the government you voted for. They place a much higher priority on bling and wabenzis.

      geronimo.feather - 2012-07-08 23:41

      bluddy a-ghentss frrrom da revalushunarrry howse. That's who.

      Vlad - 2012-07-09 06:46

      WITCHCRAFT.....IEASH

      TSR01 - 2012-07-09 09:17

      "Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi says apartheid will not end [...]" Straight from the horse's mouth! The ANC is merely copying the NP and reversing racial roles. The ANC is causing (present day) apartheid! The ANC is hindering education! The ANC is corrupt and incompetent! DOWN WITH THE ANC!

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-07-09 12:15

      The parents who continue to vote ANC.

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-07-09 12:23

      @koos. It's going to get a hell of a lot worse over the next few years with a declining economy and millions upon millions of uneducated children pouring out of the schools. They (the kids) will of course require financial assistance from the ever decreasing number of people actually paying tax on production as opposed to 'registered taxpayers' half of which are paid for by the real taxpayer.

      Raymond - 2012-07-09 12:53

      Blame the lightning.

      aristar.aristary - 2012-07-10 05:11

      to the ANC/Government/VAVI: Oh for heaven's sake!!! Take responsibility for your decisions. Stop blaming apartheid. If you stupid fools could actually make a decision to teach your children properly instead of spoonfeeding them political trash, you might actually have a nation that can think for itself instead of a bunch of idiotic sheep.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-07-10 07:29

      !8 years later and you now find that YOUR vote is not working. Who now is the idiot

  • JohncarlosBiza - 2012-07-08 22:46

    It should be mandatory for politicians to use public facilities like schools and hospotals. Parliament wouldn't care much about education whilst their kids are in private schools.

      Gallant LeVogue - 2012-07-08 23:01

      that's perhaps the smartest comment ive ever read on News24

  • magomarele - 2012-07-08 22:59

    Vavi says all these things against ANC when addressing workers, but as soon as he leaves the podium he starts smiling and shaking hands with the same corrupt thugs of ANC like Zuma, Jackson Mthembu and Blade Nzimande. He connives with these thieves.

      RabbleRouser - 2012-07-08 23:10

      And then he encourages his workers to vote for the ANC, the party of the people at election time. He shouldn't complain. He is getting the government he voted for.

      seleso.myungsoo - 2012-07-09 00:50

      And who are these workers? teachers, right? Why are they quiet about their poor working conditions, classrooms without electricity, no libraries or science laboratories? Let's face it, all township schools built by the old regime had science labs. . . what happened to them now? They have been turned into classrooms because these days principals get more salary for having many students.

      TSR01 - 2012-07-09 09:20

      What Vavi said, that is utterly striking is; "Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi says apartheid will not end [...]" - straight from the horse's mouth! How can Apartheid not end if it was abolished 18 years ago? That must mean the ANC is proliferating it! It all makes sense now. The ANC is running the "new" apartheid (reversed racial polarity), refusing education to their supporters / non-supporters, and lining their greedy and corrupt pockets at the cost of the country and economy. Down with the ANC!! Down with their "new apartheid"!!

      wdugmore - 2012-07-09 09:53

      Seleso, we are quiet because we relised a long time ago that we are fighting a loosing battle!!! We rather put our energy and time into the children...

  • stefan505 - 2012-07-08 23:03

    I find it hard to believe that the state of our country's education is as a direct result of apartheid. Since 1994, the ruling party decided to replace those with the necessary knowledge and experience with their own comrades that struggled. Bloody fools!

  • phuti.hlabane - 2012-07-08 23:03

    He keeps on supporting ANC,why don't they just support another party cos as long as unions keep on supporting ANC ther shall Neva Eva b some real changes.

      wesley.nel.5 - 2012-07-09 05:45

      Vavi, this systems is ANC policies, keep the masses stupid, then they will be sure of the votes. Just go and have a look, do they replace books an furniture in funcional school, they spend millions every year for the same stuff, yet still there is nothing

  • marinus.bell.7 - 2012-07-08 23:04

    Mr Vavi, you are SO right, thank you for your concern. But I can take you to rural schools where teachers are disciplined and work extremely hard and have incredible results to show for that. For example a government school with 100 grade 12 students and... ALL of them received matriculation exemption! Indeed there are challenges, but I beg to differ to once again play the race card. Inequalities WILL be eradicated, over time, it is no quick fix, but the focus should be on a strong work ethic.

      aristar.aristary - 2012-07-10 06:37

      Oh for heaven's sake!!! Take responsibility for your decisions. Stop blaming apartheid. If you stupid fools could actually make a decision to teach your children properly instead of spoonfeeding them political trash, you might actually have a nation that can think for itself instead of a bunch of idiotic sheep.

  • phillip.beukes.5 - 2012-07-08 23:04

    Dear Mr Vavi.. the fact that the governing party decided to rid itself of a well educated and established education department, to replace it with people that had no idea how to educate learners, is the first thing that you should blame. To re-invent a wheel is not only diffucult, but stupid... Freedom before education, was surely one of the dumbest things of the freedom-fight, because not only did you steal education from a generation, you made sure that those who followed, will be behind for genarations to come... It seems that the policy of dragging all down to a low standard of education, is the only way out of the deep... sadly it places an even more sombre outlook on the future. To blame it all on aparheid is the simple way out, unfortunately it does nothing for this bleak reality that you helped to create. So if you whant to re-invent education in this country, get the people with know-how to help you.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-07-08 23:40

      It was not even freedom before education, but enrichment first.

  • theresa.wiid.5 - 2012-07-08 23:10

    Did Vavi and the ANC not get the memo .... "We (The ANC) are Ruling the country Now " If there is any apartheid then it is they themselves who have created it removing virtually all educated accomplished teachers and oversears of Education, attacking the structure calling it then Apartheid but you and the ANC replaced them with uneducated corrupt personal and Officials under the guise of BEE /AA. Clean your own house VAVI ..and stop using apartheid for the corroding of our Nations educational fabric this You ,Yourselves and Your Corrupt Cronies did against the people of South africa.. therefore resorting to inflammatory statements ,using the dire need of our people for you own political gains ...shame on you such BS spilling out from this man's mouth..." REALLY!! " VAVI" .. REALLY!!!!!!.. How have the mighty Big Mouths have fallen since 1994...Hospitals, Schools,Gov, ... For their Fruit is in their Deeds ...A bad tree can only produce bad fruit ....especially if it is in the ROOT...

  • theresa.wiid.5 - 2012-07-08 23:12

    Who is creating this New ..."APARTHEID"...is it not BEE /AA...Oh! No!... this is not apartheid ...Well it looks like a duck ,walks like a duck, quacks like a duck .....What is it?...Oh! it is a DUCK...Do you See it VAVI...or are you so blind do you not see ...

  • sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-07-08 23:12

    Again the dirty toilet syndrome. After 18 years, it is impossible to blame the previous tenants if the toilet is dirty. Clean the stuffing thing! They have had ample time to fix the education situation. But no, in stead of doing hard work, they decided to rather lower the standards and put uneducated fools in charge of this very important portfolio. Way to go, ANC, thanks to you our children are the same when they come out of school as they are when they go in - uneducated! And then they go and blame apartheid....

  • rowen.loretz - 2012-07-08 23:13

    that word "apartheid" should become banned. It is all i am hearing lately. Blame everything on apartheid ...eish

      lownabester - 2012-07-08 23:49

      Since 1994, and he still blames Apartheid, Must be a April's fools joke, Wake up and smell the coffee, Vavi.Idiots, all of you,

      attie.gerber.1 - 2012-07-09 05:24

      they are just like my parrot at home with a small vocabulary. they only knows two words apartheid and white people and of course i forgot steal and waste money

      mariuskowie - 2012-07-09 08:21

      The bottom line is that all ethnic groups are affected by the incompetence and gross human rights violation of South Africa's education system. Now Vavi, please explain where Apartheid (Segregation)enters this picture!

  • jimzimbo - 2012-07-08 23:15

    "We must wage war""....oh, another one, it seems every sa crooked politician who open his/her mouth talks of war of some sort..... ???? Look inwards you stupid idiots you have failed the electorate and are happy to continue along this path.

  • gavin.potter.75 - 2012-07-08 23:17

    Vavi here is an education for you - Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

  • Henk - 2012-07-08 23:20

    Yes Vavi, the school I went to is still standing. The desk that I scratched in grade 2 is still at the school. it has not been turned into firewood. The roof is still on the school...

  • kosmonooit - 2012-07-08 23:21

    Please do a proper analysis before spouting populist rhetoric comrade. IMO the failure of public education (along with many other public services you mention) is largely the result of disastrous change / reform policies and management, failed social engineering, corruption and graft and brought about by too many people put in positions they simply cannot deliver on. How about paying state teachers a decent salary for a start, so that teachers with some ability and passion for education can be tempted back? !

  • mantsho.tlali - 2012-07-08 23:23

    Hypocrite Vavi, as l always say.l went to school in South Africa during Apartheid, l can tell you that we had the good education. What our children have today is a disaster, We are in trouble.

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-07-09 00:22

      Agreed. It feels like a privilege to have finished school before the ANC's failing system

  • KCorsar - 2012-07-08 23:23

    Well clearly there is ONLY one PARTY to blame - THE GOVERNMENT - you blonker! Why is 18 years of a new democratic country still harping on this when effectively we have close to 20 years of integrated schooling. Give it a rest Vavi, you sound like a stuck record. But just for the record YOUR ARE RIGHT, education is what has kept the country back from realising its potential; not free handouts like land, nationalisation or all these other socialistic harbourings, EDUCATION. Sadly though this Government, the same we have had for 18 years HAS FAILED completely on this front; education has gone backwards! So how this can be 'blamed' on the previous government is a mystery......

  • Shaun McDermott - 2012-07-08 23:27

    Sorry china stop blaming the past. its like that all over the world.

  • ChrisinOz294 - 2012-07-08 23:32

    So good to see someone realising the ANC is just carrying on with apartheid.

  • carl.debeer.33 - 2012-07-08 23:36

    18 years on... and the useless fu4CS still blame apartheid.

  • donovan.solomons - 2012-07-08 23:38

    Wow, how intelligent of him...HA HA HA. They dump books, keep the school children illiterate and then blame apartheid. I wonder if Angie was his teacher. I wish they would stop blaming everybody and everything else and look at the mistakes they are doing. Or are they too arrogant for that?

  • colingkearns - 2012-07-08 23:38

    Talk Talk Yakity Yak, Vavi and his band of shirt tail hangers-on have created this culture of mediocraty. Dilute the cream, pass one,pass all mentality.

  • bob.small.7547 - 2012-07-08 23:39

    Pathetic little fool.....Very lame excuse Mr Vavi...!

  • michael.i.wright - 2012-07-08 23:39

    It never occurs to any of these twits that there is no free lunch and that schools, much like computers, operate on the principal of rubbish in=rubbish out.

  • Erna - 2012-07-08 23:40

    All true Mr Vavi but only you and the people of SA can do something about it. Stop stating the obvious and do something about it - put your money where your mouth is. This is not a case of a white government being the cause but your own comrades.

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-07-08 23:41

    I notice very few viva ANC comments here.

      scouter.fourone - 2012-07-09 01:18

      Bless, I should imagine that you are absolutely gutted by Mphozana's latest missive!

      Bless Boswell - 2012-07-09 07:23

      I am extremely serious. You'll notice my posts concern the matter of how the government has abandoned its own people. I will, from time to time refer to the matter of being white, because I am white, but you will not hear or see me complain about having a hard time. If I am having a hard time I will somehow get myself out of it, but there are thousands of black people who cannot do so and it is those people whose causes I champion. Can the same be said for you? Do you even care about your fellow black south Africans?

      Bless Boswell - 2012-07-09 07:42

      @Scouter, I am absolutely heartbroken!

      antin.herinck - 2012-07-09 08:29

      Viva ANC.

  • keith.ngobeni - 2012-07-08 23:44

    Textbooks late arrival and some were dumped at a dumping site and the cosatu boss is still blaming the apartheid, with the leaders like the vavi's,Zuma's etc south africa's future is very concerning, when is this silly blame game gonna reach it's end because ANC

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-07-08 23:59

    This is probably the most cowardly comment ever to be uttered since 1994. It clearly shows the failure of government to better the lives of the majority. Billions have been stolen, misappropriated and misspent - without even the slightest show of embarrassment, but the very evident failure of our health, education, roads etc systems is still the fault of apartheid. It's time government takes responsibility for the appalling state of our services, schooling, roads, municipalities etc and stops trying to find new ways of fleecing the public. The only way white people can exist within this disaster is because we work extremely hard. We do not sit around and make demands nor do we expect handouts. This "give me" attitude sucks!

      scouter.fourone - 2012-07-09 01:21

      Yes, Mphozana - and still we keep feeding you. God alone knows why though....

      scouter.fourone - 2012-07-09 01:34

      and I am posting in the full knowledge that you are not Mphozana - but the principle that you are feebly trying to put across is worth conforming to for the time being, at least.

      dee.980 - 2012-07-09 01:35

      Peace Mphozana It is FEAR at the root of all the thoughtless words that divide us. And yes, I do understand how words like "Us Whites" and stereotyping of "You Blacks" MAKES ONE MAD!!!! No excuses - but of late, have you noticed how much 'white bashing' and 'threat' and blame is being directed at whites by leaders speaking in the various conferences? Also seemingly in the news alot - the idea that whites are the rich ones (a few are - most are not), should pay extra taxes, must hand over land / property / business ... This is particularly stressful as ALL of us are finding it increasingly difficult just to put food on the family table. I mention this because it is REALLY DANGEROUS for ANY OF US to react in fear and hatred. Let's remember it's an election year ... and keep clear heads in understanding that apart from the very, very rich people (blacks, browns & whites), the rest of us ALL stand together feeling robbed, kicked, enslaved, imprisoned (in our homes - by crime:)) and pushed to the mountain.

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-07-09 00:16

    Our esteemed president openly admits that there is corruption, but does nothing about it. He also knows that corruption is responsible for the reprehensible state of our schools and healthcare systems to say nothing of the police force. (my apologies to those members of the police force who are not corrupt violent thugs). The ANC has had 18 years to straighten out the kinks. They have not done so. They continue to blame the previous regime for everything that ails the nation. That excuse can be used only for so long before it becomes pathetically lame. It is mow officially lame. Change your tune. Find another excuse or pull your socks up and do what you've promised the people, or find another president - one who cares about the crime rate, corruption and poor service delivery - and is actually prepared to do something about it.

      ex.dutchman - 2012-07-09 11:20

      And while the illustrias president is doing all the fine things you ask of him, get him to instill some dicipline into schools - the pricipal, teachers, studentes as well as caretakers, handymen, cleaners and janitors. While that is in progress - do the same with healthcare.

  • boitshoko.seothaeng - 2012-07-09 00:58

    Dont tell us wat is wrong, we know. U as a person dat can be heard, tell the anc to do something. Go to court, make a petition do something anything!

      scouter.fourone - 2012-07-09 01:30

      Mphozana - you dumb clown. We all know that you are a honkey masquerading - give it up mate, you are now becoming an embarrassment to all thinking contributors.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-07-09 07:48

      Boitshoko - the best way we can assist is to encourage you to think carefully before you vote. Your vote is precious - put it where it will work the best for you. Going to court costs money - lots of money. If things are to change, it must come from the people. Remember - you get the government you vote for.

  • Simphiwe - 2012-07-09 01:21

    The problem of temporary teachers in Eastern Cape does not receive enough media coverage. It continues to drag endlessly. How I so wish that it receives attention like texbook issue in Limpompo. I'm sure, this can yield positive results.

  • john.dorian.1042 - 2012-07-09 01:32

    All government officials should be forced to send their children to govenment schools, use govenment hospitals and pubblic transport! Exclusively! They have no reason to change the status quo under the current arrangement.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-07-09 07:49

      Agree with you 100%. The same goes for the president. He should use SAA and not have a private hospital in his home. It would save the country millions.

      antin.herinck - 2012-07-09 08:37

      John, Forcing them to use 5th-rate public schools would be less devastating to them than you think. The ANC inner circle does not need education. Look at Zoomer. Look at his obese nephew, KulObese. The former is president of SA with a failed grade 5, the latter is a billionaire, whilst he's not fit (physically & mentally) to tie his own shoelaces. Taking away their Beemers would rip their harts out, on the other hand. They absolutely need them, to negate their feelings of own inferiority. Without the bling they think of themselves as nothing.

  • danny.mozzy.sugarlump.pinkie - 2012-07-09 01:49

    Hmmman interesting. LAst year the education department decided that it is too difficult to have high school classes taught in more than the english language. The exams are only to be written in english. Why???? well the pracitcalities of finding suitably qualified teachers to teach most subjects are difficult enough never mind trying to find them in 11 languages. Do the general population know that this occured??? not really. but in '76 the country had civil riots with schools being burnt and students making a mess of the country for what they thought was their right to education being hidered by the enforcment of education in a language not of the mother tongue. 40yrs later its been passed and done by a ANC government and NOT A PEEP in the media? Bias or calm acceptance of the fact the apartheid government as they are know actually had vision and knew that the impracticalities of teaching a quality education by spreading resources too thin was just not on the cards. MAths and the sciences are difficult enough especially when terminology is english based to try and get teacher qualified and educated but to then have them have to try and teach to students in another language just exacerbates the sitution. Makes one think .....

      ex.dutchman - 2012-07-09 11:24

      Liberation now! Education later. Much later, the schools are still getting destroyed, but nobody cares. There are schools in the previous white suburbs that can be occupied and destroyed.

  • ramohapelwa.berries - 2012-07-09 02:25

    Apartheid under ANC, interesting, sad but true. UDM Bantu Holomisa's words- \The troughs have not changed, but only the pigs feeding from them\. It's useless and costly to hold this/that summit, congress, conference in Sandton, Kliptown, Polokwane, Mangaung. There's no implementation at the end of the day. I bet the summits are also a self-enrichment. Overprice food, venues, transport, stationery.

      ramohapelwa.berries - 2012-07-09 02:46

      Vavi, pls urge COSATU members to refrain from absenteeism, violence

  • koos.strydom.923 - 2012-07-09 02:57

    Mr Vavi you are 100% correct! But he only briefly touched on the sollution: Government officials and politicians must be forced to send their children to government schools and only be allowed to use government hospitals. That is the only way to ensure political will to solve these two major problems.

  • john.chamberlain.3152 - 2012-07-09 03:01

    You are right Mr Vavi. After 18 years of dysfunctional government time to change your allegiance. The problem is not racial it is rich and poor and the government and their cronies are the rich and those that vote for them are the poor. Plebs and patricians. The government is quite happy to maintain the cycle of deprivation.

  • thabo.modiba.7 - 2012-07-09 03:23

    Ecclesiastes. 10:17 “A nation will prosper when its ruler is mature, and its leaders don't party too much.”

  • strauss.steven - 2012-07-09 03:33

    Why does every Dawie and Vavi need to be accompanied by a blue light brigade?? At the most, only the president, his deputy and maybe the premiers for each province should have a brigade. take the cost of those cars and the payment of the drivers and guards and build schools. educate the guards to become teachers or taxi drivers. cut down on all the meetings, trips overseas, fancy funerals and parties- and use the money to build schools and educate teachers. i can only think that someone like Mr Mandela will rather than have a funeral oneday that costs 10's of millions of rands have a small funeral and the rest of the millions given to child education. the best way to make a difference Mr Vavi is to start with yourself. use words like apartheid, white regime etc. less and talk more of nation building, better life for all.

  • danie.smit.587 - 2012-07-09 03:46

    In 1994 what was the level of black education in SA, What was the level of education in free black manage countries, like Mozambique, Zambia,Angola, Uganda, Tanzania ? Did apartheid not do better for the black school kids, than free black managed education? Did the black kidds in grade 8 today not started school at the time when /Vavi alliance partner was in charge of schools? Why the problem, will apartheid actually receive credidit for better quality black school education than what they receive today?

      Amanda - 2012-07-09 05:08

      No, anything that was under Apartheid will always be bad in their eyes. They will never admit we had a country that was decent, orderly and educated. Today we have one of the top murder and rape stats in the world and uneducated kids who can't find a job. Blacks can't create wealth. It's been proved over and over, yet they want to run a country. Go figure.

      michael.rampatla - 2012-07-09 06:23

      U are real ass

  • Edward Du - 2012-07-09 04:12

    yes that's truthful what you just highlighted which is affecting the nation, Vavi you passed your words they were building the nation but that is not enough, you have to go down and follow your words to change the country education etc… vavi our eyes are staring at you, My leader V…

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-07-09 04:15

    if we are serious about changing the lives of poor people in this country we must introduce a new law that will force famalies of public representatives to go to public schools,public hospitals.I agree with Mr Zwelinzima Vavi if children of politicians were affected by Limpompo textbooks saga the matter would be addressed as quickly as possible.We are a nation of 'status'.We only stand up when issues are affecting people in high places.The poor will remain poor in our country.Mark my words

      Marco - 2012-07-09 09:42

      trouble is : GOVERNMENT MAKES THE LAWS

  • jacques.pretorius.79 - 2012-07-09 04:18

    You dumb idiot! Do you not realise that even in the "Apartheid-era", whites still had to pay for education and not for one minute, did we get free education as you now demand! How on earth do you think free aducation in SA will EVER be a posibility? Start looking and ask these questions to all the politici who squander and fraudulantly "run" the country! Wake up and realise that education is not solely the government's responsibility! Why burn-down the schools everyday and then cry for free education? You dumb idiot!

  • roy.hart.54 - 2012-07-09 04:52

    Once again blame Apartheid after 18 years,what about the fact that it is the ANC,who has brought the country down,corruption,killings,theft,its everyone's problem that our children do not get educated !

      kleinbooil - 2012-07-09 05:11

      Well I have 2 agree with u dat da ANC government hs failed 2 deal with the things dat u have highlighted above, but we need 2 always always remember dat we r trying 2 correct a wrong of close 2 350 years n as such after 18 yrs a lot stil needs 2 b done.

      sean.lambie.3 - 2012-07-09 20:36

      @kleinbooil - Bad news for you , nothing CAN be fixed with the ANC in charge ! Keep on blaming apartheid , that`s all you can do !!

  • mark.webb.50 - 2012-07-09 04:55

    and how did apartheid create this problem you stupid savage

      kleinbooil - 2012-07-09 05:07

      By reserving privilege 2 a certain people of a certain race while for the other race it not only denied them these privilege but it also exploited them. As such, today among the youth you have those who are living of the fruits of apartheid and see nothing wrong with it n dose dat r suffering as a result of apartheid.

      ex.dutchman - 2012-07-09 11:40

      Jip the small group you are referring to was the TAX PAYERS. The same tax payers also paid for the black schools and universities. Pray tell where did Mbeki graduate? And Mandela?

  • EricksonTL - 2012-07-09 05:09

    The and run education. Therefore, the anc are keeping apartheid alive. I concur.

  • andzon.deboer - 2012-07-09 05:10

    Ok, I read it a few times to make sure, but, he did not blame the previous goverment once - I'm amazed, his statements make sense for once - So, stop "struggling" & do somthing about it already, make those heads roll, distribute those text books, get better teachers in place - in 10 to 15 years time there may be a decently educated population. Come on South Africa, education isn't an overnight thing, it takes a few years to see the benifits. If they had made education the national priority 18 years ago we would not be here now!

  • rivalani.mabasa - 2012-07-09 05:20

    Gud point Mr Vavi, all the politicians' children must go to the public schools. It must be a passed law!

  • flabutte - 2012-07-09 05:37

    Am I the only one who read a different article?! I am by no means supportive of the ANC but what Vavi says is that apartheid still exists in education, because there is still separation between class and race. He even admits that politicians' children are treated differently. He also further admits that those in power (the ANC) should be ashamed for the gap that exists. I did not read anywhere that Apartheid is to blame. I am glad to see that some people are making open declarations that the education system is a huge mess. I just hope something will happen from this.

      sisa.mtwana - 2012-07-09 12:23

      Me too Flabutte. What you've just said it's so true. Please people read the article again and again. You will find out that this Man (Vavi) is saying what everyone how is commenting is saying. Or did that fly over your heads again. Read the article again. Or it's those cheap shots at the True.

  • ylundin3 - 2012-07-09 05:40

    Apartheid, Apartheid, Apartheid what the hell got this to do with Apartheid there are blacks who's children are in private schools we have to pay for books and school fees so where is it for free our children where tought to look after things and not to destroy everything South Africa is falling apart it's probably Apartheids fault to get real this is getting boring