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Arms deal inquiry: Zuma may testify

2011-09-16 08:18

Cape Town - President Jacob Zuma will probably have to appear before the commission of inquiry into government’s controversial arms deal, which he announced on Thursday.

Zuma did not announce the members of the commission or the parameters according to which the commission would take place.

Justice department spokesperson Tlali Tlai said this would be announced on Friday.

Zuma’s direct involvement in the arms deal includes signing the order to stop Parliament’s Standing Committee on Public Accounts (Scopa) from investigating the arms deal in January 2001.

Cape Town mayor Patricia de Lille, who in 1999 asked the first serious questions about the arms deal, said on Friday Zuma had to appoint a retired judge to lead the commission.

"There is a cloud hanging over all the parties about which allegations were made - also the president.”

Bringing the matter to an end

Speculation abounds about the reasons for the unexpected announcement.

Presidential spokesperson Mac Maharaj said it was time for the matter to be brought to an end. “The president decided the fastest and cleanest way to conclude the matter is to appoint a commission of inquiry.”

But former ANC MP Andrew Feinstein, who did an exposé on some aspects of the arms deal in his book, After the Party, believes otherwise.

“It is my opinion that there are two reasons for Zuma’s decision. Number one is that Julius Malema has threatened he will expose arms deal skeletons if the ANC continues with his disciplinary hearing. Now Zuma can neutralise the threat by controlling the process.”

The second reason could be the Constitutional Court challenge, in which Terry Crawford-Browne wanted to force the president to appoint a commission of inquiry.

Crawford-Browne’s legal advisor, Paul Hoffman, said they believed the announcement was made to obstruct this case.

“Government had to hand in their legal documents (on Thursday) in which they opposed our claims. I believe they realised their argument was not watertight so they issued a statement with no particulars.”

Comments
  • wv - 2011-09-16 08:24

    I suppose Shabir will be in charge of the investigation.

      saabnut - 2011-09-16 08:29

      Wouldn't be suerprised. Place your bets. The commission is going to consist of all Showerhead's gravy train buddies, and the terms of reference are going to preclude any proper formal investigation, as we all know who will be fingered if they investigate it properly. window dressing, fellow scribes...

      Bill - 2011-09-16 08:36

      No, I think he is handicapped...!

      Ohmikehunt - 2011-09-16 08:48

      @saabnut - ok genius... perhaps you should sit on the commission, seeing as you seem to know so much. Pathetic comment bro!

      Blougroen - 2011-09-16 08:49

      Well spotted ! - case will be heard, adjudicated and settled at the nineteenth hole . . . .

      Servaas - 2011-09-16 09:00

      Every time I think Zuma can't be dumber than this he astounds me more with his stupidity. And he is our president!! Sheesh, what a disgrace! Ironically the intelligence agency reports to someone like him. How intelligent is that!

      birdman - 2011-09-16 09:02

      When last did you hear of any "commission of enquiry" coming to a final conclusion with indictments for the guilty all round? NEVER!This is another attempt by the corrupt to side-step the facts by setting up a smoke & mirrors magic act. The ANC must really think that the 20% tax base who pay 80% of the country's tax are fools. If they stopped wasting our money on fast cars and body guards..............nufsaid!

      saabnut - 2011-09-16 09:18

      @ Ohmikehunt: I have far more important things to do than entertain a bogus, farcical commission. But thanks anyway for your criticism- I think I am going to slit my wrists now. BRO!

      Kevin - 2011-09-16 09:37

      No it will be Yengeni in a new Merc

      Danel - 2011-09-16 10:09

      And don't forget the "Secrecy Bill" WTF??????????????????

      Antoine - 2011-09-16 15:51

      For the life of me, I don't get Ohmikehunt does he reckon there'll be an outcome leading to indictment of ANC thieves? 'Must be an idiot who also believes in the Tooth-fairy -or an ANC agent. And he calls an other's comment "pathetic".....

  • Jazzie - 2011-09-16 08:27

    I bet Juju has got something on Zuma......so blackmailing is the order of the day.

      Observer - 2011-09-16 08:41

      I would imagine that just because there is an investigation underway, Juju is not going to adhere to the silence required, and he could well still spill the beans. Which ironically could make him more popular to the masses. The whole timing of this announcement smacks of pathos. One almost feels sorry for how JZ thinks we're all idiots.

      Ohmikehunt - 2011-09-16 08:49

      @Jazzie, who is Juju?

      Pupuzela - 2011-09-16 09:08

      Ohshutupmikehunt

      vanommen.jan - 2011-09-16 09:26

      Nice wording... black mailing...

  • Slapper - 2011-09-16 08:28

    Whatever JZ say's, or doe's not say, will be accepted. Another farce on the horizon, but it will not make the stink go away.

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-16 08:34

      OMG.... imagine sitting thru the Zuma interview.... those 3 word sentences.... the non stop lip licking.... the hesitation... Please stop... it's hurting me already!!!!

      leonard - 2011-09-16 12:26

      @Slapper. A preview of Zuma being questioned at the hearing.Zuma.....You may only ask me questions as you were advised by my backroom boys and then you must give me time to find the answers so that I can read them to you.

  • d2eguy - 2011-09-16 08:29

    zuma testify ??? more like lie through his teeth as he normally does .

      d2eguy - 2011-09-16 09:06

      @Ohmikehunt ..... zuma`s past and present reputation and the fact that all the ANC and zuma have promised the people has never been delivered . open your eyes , only donkeys wear blinkers .

      Shistirrer - 2011-09-16 09:39

      Troll alert! Troll alert! Ohmikehunt, please go play in the traffic.

      GEZABABE - 2011-09-16 09:46

      better he will... could not find any one baas anytime during last time before '94

  • arthur.amgen - 2011-09-16 08:32

    "Julius Malema has threatened he will expose arms deal skeletons if the ANC continues with his disciplinary hearing. Now Zuma can neutralise the threat by controlling the process.” ... There you have it. Love him or hate him. Malema makes things happen. Malema was listed as one of 10 men under 40 "who wield enormous influence in Africa's political and business circles" by Forbes magazine yesterday. What we have here is "The Power Game" South African style. Better than TV sit down and enjoy the entertainment. The drama, the lying, the swirling as big fish try to escape.

      Chris - 2011-09-16 08:52

      and this to the cost of the future of SOuth Africa, and the future of each south africa citizen - the ANC is leading this country down the drain. such a pitty.

      Felix - 2011-09-16 08:59

      Just wish he wasn't so full of hate.

      Christiaan - 2011-09-16 09:35

      @Felix - I agree. But there were books written about the last generation of apartheid. They still experienced the full hatred of white vs black and that anger and hatred festers. Us whiteys will never understand what they went through, but I also hope and pray for a change of heart.

      King147 - 2011-09-16 09:37

      I cant wait for them to crucify each other, it would be like a zimbabwe financed soapie

      DW - 2011-09-16 13:47

      Trouble is, King, it wont be financed by Zimbabwe. It will come from the taxpayers. ANOTHER futile waste of money. And I actually think that Zuma is doing this for both reasons in the article - but he will appoint the people and tell them what they may and may not investigate. And we have to pay for it.

  • Swart_Baas - 2011-09-16 08:33

    I can imagine Zuma and his cow-boy friend Cele sharing a jail cell....but that could only happen in a law-abiding, corruption free society!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      kalabafazi - 2011-09-16 08:44

      They may invetigate and point out the culprits, but recent history shows that nothing will come of it.

      Proefleser - 2011-09-16 09:06

      It's called a typo.

  • Allrightythen - 2011-09-16 08:34

    Set a thief upon a thief? Zuma should head up the commision, you know, to make sure there is no corruption and that there is good leadership and direction....I am just kidding :-)

  • Bardy - 2011-09-16 08:34

    Corrupt! The whole lot of them!

  • sushi - 2011-09-16 08:35

    Mr president why now? >when your ambition was to be president you signed the order to stop the investigations. > now you are the president and your ambition of second term is under threat you open a commission of enquiery. > let me guess on the referrences you will never give the references that will implicate you >who will be in the commission? mr president my onlr question is who are you fooling here?

      Bardy - 2011-09-16 08:45

      Or rather, trying to fool?

      Ohmikehunt - 2011-09-16 08:55

      @sushi your reasoning is as mangled as your English bro. Mind-boggling how you can reach those conclusions before even a single shot in anger has been fired by the commission. A wise man would sit back and review ALL of the EVIDENCE, before making judgement calls.

      MaanDonkie - 2011-09-16 09:41

      A wise man would sit back and not use this platform to air his idiotic uninformed views. In Afrikaans we have a beautiful saying: Lee vaatjie hou toe jou kraan netnou sien die baas jou vir n volle aan". But very few people would understand that BRO

      Antoine - 2011-09-16 16:54

      A wise man would consider the the lies and corruption, lack of accountability in the track record of the ANC / JZ. He would reckon it impossible that such individuals could EVER lead a decent inquiry into their OWN corrupt dealings. And a wise man would also notice the great number of thumbs-down he gets -and stop his propaganda blather, go have fun at your www.anc.org.za.

  • Bardy - 2011-09-16 08:36

    Wonder if Mandela also had a hand in this?

      Vela Stardust - 2011-09-16 08:48

      Been wondering that myself. Would break my heart if it is so, but ????

      Ohmikehunt - 2011-09-16 08:56

      @Bardy don't "Wonder" too far without supervision - you might get lost.

      Bardy - 2011-09-16 09:30

      Think you belong in a cage with Moron. You 2 make the same kind of moronic statements!

      CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-09-16 09:37

      Ohmikehunt open the curtains or switch on the light as you are in the dark bro :)

  • charliewoo - 2011-09-16 08:39

    Here we go again more tax payers money i am sick and tired of funding these waszacks it is time this nation stood up against these corrupt people.

  • chiepner - 2011-09-16 08:39

    I am so glad that we the tax payers will again foot the bill for a empty vessel of a commission! Tea and Scons anyone! O and by the way - let the people that elected you in power eat cake!

  • Bill - 2011-09-16 08:39

    You have to admit…Zuma is one extremely calculating individual when it comes to conniving and squirming around issues…!

  • Terminusest - 2011-09-16 08:40

    It's taken 12 years to dismantle the Scorpions and to get ANC boot-licking parasite in charge of the NPA, as well as a cadre crony as Chief Justice. Now JZ783, who is implicated in these deals, gets to appoint the commission investigating himself, and decide the scope of the investigation. What a farce! Like hell this is going to be a fair and impartial inquiry.

      birdman - 2011-09-16 08:54

      Fox in charge of the henhouse??

      Kevin - 2011-09-16 09:43

      COME ON CONSTITUTIONAL COURT. DO YOUR OWN INVESTIGATION AND STOP US BEING THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD.

  • Moron - 2011-09-16 08:40

    For transparency the Commission must report to ANC and no white judge at all, and the President can`t appear before the commiss he set up

      Bardy - 2011-09-16 08:47

      Oh your name does not elude you at all hey? You are a complete moron to say the least! What does a white judge have to do with any of this? You are simply a racist human being! Get out of society please!

  • Lee - 2011-09-16 08:41

    JZ is intelligent, he realizes that the number of educated South Africans are increasing and now people will not believe the lies. So unlike Juju he is appealing to the educated (ju ju already has the uneducated) and in order to get their support he has to make it seem like he is doing something. And action on a topic that is so “sensitive” regarding his role is the perfect way to do it. Even if he is not painted in a perfect picture we will be “shown” honesty. Let’s face it us intelligent people know no one is perfect and we would rather have an honest person. Seems that Zuma has just delivered a check on Juju. And not us pawns will just have to wait for the players next move.

  • Shivermetimb - 2011-09-16 08:43

    My guess is that one of Malema's backers was also a recipient of an arms bribe - hence the timing of the announcement. You have to hand it to JZ - he certainly knows how to silence his enemies.

      kriskross - 2011-09-16 10:50

      Malema threatened to spill the beans on the arms deal if the ANC proceed with his disciplinary hearing. By appointing a commission of enquiry, JZ can neutralize the threat by controlling the process and information.

  • kalabafazi - 2011-09-16 08:43

    I posted on a previous story that Malema had something on Zuma, that's why nobody wants to stand up to him. Now it appears that my guess may have not been to far wrong.

  • Ohmikehunt - 2011-09-16 08:44

    Brilliant and courageous move by Mr Zuma. He should be praised for his courage in making this decision. Finally all South Africans will see that claims of corruption/wrong-doing are nothing more than spurious. Mr Crawford-Brown must go back to his country and stay out of South African politics - we don't need people like him here!

      sushi - 2011-09-16 08:59

      i suggest you follow him

      Felix - 2011-09-16 09:02

      I take it you have first hand knowledge that the evidence has been destroyed.

      Shivermetimb - 2011-09-16 09:32

      Mike "cunning stunt" - using a disfigured picture to hide your identity doesnt work. Your education standards have given you away.

      saabnut - 2011-09-16 09:36

      I AM going to slit mr wrists- I promise.

      Powerman - 2011-09-16 09:36

      Really? Or did he just find another way to cover things up?

      Ohmikehunt - 2011-09-16 09:37

      Huh @Shivermetimb - are you insulting my good looks? Where's your pic?

      Shivermetimb - 2011-09-16 10:06

      Actually, cunning stunt, I'm complimenting your picture. As to your real looks, well . . . . probably best left unsaid.

      Kent007 - 2011-09-16 13:09

      @Ohmikehunt. Zuma did not make the move, the courts forced him to open up the investigation. No praise due for Zuma and even less for your attidute. Zuma threated to blow the wistle on the arms deal if he gets involved. Knowledge of the crime and not to report it is considered to be accomplice to the crime. "we don't need people like you here!" either

      Antoine - 2011-09-16 16:31

      Ohmikehunt clicks to give himself a thumbs-up. (And here he got his mom* and three aunties to help him) This must be HIGHLY important to him / her. "It" will probably will lead the inquiry... *Bastad has no dad.

  • MAWEMAWE - 2011-09-16 08:49

    zuma knows the likes of moegoeng moegoeng will hide the skeletons this is just a formality to silence the nation,he was forced to do so before we hear it from malema.

  • Gadafi007 - 2011-09-16 08:49

    hahahahahahahaha feeling threatened by JUJU aka the words sniper .

      Gadafi007 - 2011-09-16 09:06

      now the dubula theme has invaded the President

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-09-16 08:52

    The culprits have had ample time to hide evidence. Guess where ANC funding came from? Zuma is now controlling the situation. I remain optimistic but will we ever really learn the truth?

  • MAWEMAWE - 2011-09-16 08:52

    corruption in this country is like a daily weather forecast,you always certain that tomorrow somebody will do it, how wait for the forecast.

  • mac-sdi - 2011-09-16 08:53

    who would've thought; Malema being the key driver to exposing corruption in a government pillar. The must burn..!

  • Chris - 2011-09-16 08:54

    Die hele ANC moet na gekyk word, elke persoon in die ANC regering het 'n misdaad rekord...dit is belaglik.

  • Gelien Botha - 2011-09-16 08:57

    What we all want I think is for Zille and Patricia to be on the investigation panel

      Ohmikehunt - 2011-09-16 09:04

      This is not about your skewered and misguided adulation of politicians @Gelien. It's about the production of HARD evidence instead of the subjective garbage that we have been fed by the media and politicians with hidden agendas. Mr Zuma must be very sure that there is NO evidence, or he would not have called for the commission. Time to lay this thing to rest and move on with our lives! NTW, I think that the decision to embark on the SDI was inspired and keeps our SANDF on the forefront as a modern and well equipped force - something that we should all be truly proud of.

  • Nipcat - 2011-09-16 08:59

    @ohmikehunt Why don't you rather keep quiet? Doesn't seem like you have too much to contribute.

  • MAWEMAWE - 2011-09-16 09:13

    @gelien botha how can criminals investigate a criminal it will be a matter of saying who is the best thief.

  • Kwena Mogopa - 2011-09-16 09:18

    Cant we just move on?This is a non-starter,other countries who are involved have closed their investigations and will not provide us with their findings.This is a waste of time unfortunatedly some people invested their resources and time on this case,now they hope to get their answers.No answers now,futile exercise I say.I have never doubted Zuma's leadership(and/or ANC government) and think this is a wrong decision and it shouldn't consume us at all.Lets take those arms and safe Libya and the rest of Africa against the imperialists.Lets wipe out Botswana and Swaziland first and maintain proper control of this region.

      Danel - 2011-09-16 10:27

      Kwena Mogopa, Are you serious? if you are, then why re-open the investigation? Train your eyes to read between the lines. "Hierdie regering voer julle Poep, en julle is so gulsig, julle eet dit sonder om te kyk". It is high time "you" guys started paying attention in class!!!

  • Sharkie - 2011-09-16 09:19

    With who presiding over the hearing? His chief justice? Ag se blief! Would have thought he'd be little more clever about this after what Mbeki tried to pull

  • phinda.buthelezi - 2011-09-16 09:21

    As if he would appoint a commission that would find him guilty or him providing testimony to incriminate himself. Why waste time on this matter? Just forget the whole thing and find other ways to destroy each other

      Danel - 2011-09-16 10:32

      @Lacoste, Thinking people think for themselves. We know what we know & we think what we think. Window dressing will always make the anc look pretty but NEVER CLEVER enough to fool thinking people.

  • ThabaNchu - 2011-09-16 09:34

    Love Your Country

      Kevin - 2011-09-16 09:48

      BUT A COUNTRY NEEDS AN HONEST LEADER

  • Malcop - 2011-09-16 09:42

    I would say there is combined merit in both Crawford Brownes theory and Paul Hoffmans theories. I dont think Julius had initial insight into the original shenanigans of the arms deal though. He was less than a youth in those days. I think Winnie Mandela is the muscle and knowledge behind this boy. I bet she has dirt on even the worlds "last great black hope", Nelson Mandela.

  • Nintendo - 2011-09-16 09:42

    ohh so JUJU is going to fired i see, he wont have anything to shout about re: open up the arms deal investigation

  • Kaizo - 2011-09-16 09:54

    If Zuma doesn't have his charges reinstated after this investigation, you know it's rigged. I wonder if Pikoli will testify. He still believes the charges against Zuma were 100% correct till this day.

  • Frustrated - 2011-09-16 09:59

    Lets hope that the saying: "When two dogs fight over a bone, the third is most likely to walk away with it!" is true. Let Zuma and Malema battle it out!

  • Paul - 2011-09-16 10:01

    He's had 13 years to work on an excuse and fabricate a story full of lies, let's hear what it is...

      Danel - 2011-09-16 10:51

      Can't wait. This will be better than 7e Laan & Dallas combined

  • GILES BATTISS - 2011-09-16 10:07

    Sorry South Africa. The secrecy bill will veto any relevant results. Once again an expensive smokescreen.

  • Markal - 2011-09-16 10:37

    Headline should read: Arms Deal Inquiry: Zuma may lie

  • BoerSeun - 2011-09-16 10:52

    haha, but nothing will happen, they rob the country and get away with it.

  • kenny.maake1 - 2011-09-16 11:04

    Is the president aware of the implications of this inquiry. This case was closed , why reopen , what is the agenda here. The president himself is part of the arms deal team .

  • Phumlani Blose - 2011-09-16 11:05

    What if the outcome proves otherwise from all the negetive speculations?

  • Anthony - 2011-09-16 14:08

    Could you people stop complaining and take action! all you ever do is moan. block traffic, burn tires, destroy something that's what they do when they don't like something.

      Antoine - 2011-09-16 17:16

      That seems a nice idea. Sadly such debased, primitive stuff is not in our make-up. (Disadvantages of decent genes, civilisation and proper upbringing.)

  • Charles - 2011-09-16 19:11

    The truth of the matter is that President Zuma has never been appreciated in what ever good things done.From the time he became President,people still can't believe that the he is capable of leading the country thus such opinions from Andrew Feinstein.I think the President has displayed administrative maturity by giving himself more time to think before acting to all the allegations brought forward for him to decide.

      Antoine - 2011-09-16 20:28

      Charles, go play on the nearest railways track. This is a serious discussion -no jokes please!

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