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Big guns sent in for Malema

2011-04-17 21:24

Johannesburg - The ANC is sending in its big guns to help its youth leader, ­Julius Malema, survive his "shoot the boer" hate speech case in the South Gauteng High Court.

ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe; Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane; Science and Technology Minister Derek Hanekom; and Freedom Park founder Wally Serote will testify on Malema’s behalf.

Each of the youth leader’s courtroom saviours has a specific role to play according to their ­responding affidavits.

Hanekom, who started testifying on Friday after AfriForum closed its case, will be the ANC’s Afrikaner stormtrooper.

He testified that he, as an Afrikaner, has never felt threatened by the words of any struggle song during his long ­career in the ANC.

Hanekom told the court that many ­Afrikaner ANC members sang them.

Clear conscience

He also did so with a clear conscience, knowing the words were not designed to harm whites, Afrikaners or farmers.

Chabane, apart from his job in the presidency, is also a musician who recorded the contentious song, Dubu' ibhunu in 2000.

He will be deployed in court as a man of stature who not only sang but also recorded the song made notorious by Malema.

Chabane will explain liberation songs to the court, noting for example that struggle-song lyrics referring to destruction, death or harm, were directed at the system of white racist supremacy and not individual South Africans.

He will tell the court that when he joined the ANC in 1980, the song was already part of the body of songs sung by students. Many people sing it, not only Malema.

Chabane will tell the court that he recorded the song after the pre-election bomb attacks of 2002 and his version reflected those events.

Serote – revered struggle poet, custodian of struggle history and recently retired chief ­executive of Freedom Park – will add scholarship and dignitas to the ANC’s strategy to defend Malema.

He will lecture the court on the importance of struggle songs as part of the struggle’s history and heritage.

Serote will also be there to make an important point to the Afrikaners in the court.

Voortrekker Monument

He will tell them that preserving these songs was as important as preserving the Voortrekker Monument, which after apartheid was kept intact as part of South Africa’s history.

The old poet will also argue that it was misplaced to connect Malema’s song with farm ­killings, which he regarded as nothing but "criminal and barbaric acts".

Mantashe will defend Malema's position in no uncertain terms.

He will tell the court that Malema's position on the song is also the ANC’s position.

Mantashe will tell the court that the ­occasions at which the youth leader sang the song "were consistent with the occasions at which such liberation songs are usually sung".

He will tell the court that AfriForum’s literal and contextual interpretation of the song was "wholly unreasonable" and "entirely bereft" of the context in which the song has traditionally and historically been sung.

Mantashe, on behalf of the ANC, will deny that the words could be construed as intention to incite harm and propagate ­hatred against Afrikaner farmers and white people.

Comments
  • Grant - 2011-04-17 21:41

    There has been a strong suspicion for some time that Malema has been used by the ANC upper echelons and Zuma in particular, to vocalise the true stance of the ANC and 'test the water'. Hauling out these big guns in his support serves to confirm this. Be worried SA, be very worried. nationalisation of the mines is just around the corner

      Father-Time - 2011-04-17 22:28

      You are quite correct on malema's "use". I want to say that nationalization will be the very least of worries in the next 3 - 6 years, mark my words.

      TamaraSays - 2011-04-18 00:09

      I agree Grant. Too many people don't take him seriously, but I think the tipping point is coming, and fast. White farmers and citizens of Zimbabwe thought Uncle Bob was a bit of a joke too...

      Spoofed - 2011-04-18 08:25

      Is it too late to ask for sanctuary in another country?

      Realist - 2011-04-18 08:29

      Let us all just hope that the BIG GUNS can at least explain the true meaning/translation of iBhunu. We are not all stupid! The Readers Digest "Multi Language Dictionary" states very clearly the following: System = ihlelo Africaner = iBhunu Shoot = dubula THUS "awudubhule ibhunu" means "Shoot the AFRICANER" period. So why all the ANC okes evading answering what is the documented correct translations? This is very disturbing indeed.

      Dan Grey - 2011-04-18 08:51

      @ Kabelo If your uncle got shot at during apartheid, it was because he was an criminal. Do you knw that the ANC's TRC and HRC found the apartheid government guilty of only 7,000 deaths during its 42 year rule. Yes that's right, not millions, not hundreds of thousands, but only 7,000 over a period of 42 years. That is 167 daths per year. This for instance includes deaths in police custody and uprisings such as the Sharpville uprising. Incidentally this low figure compares favourably with any first world country. If you consider that SA was a war, the figure is neglible. Now compare that to our current murder figure of 20,000. This figure incidentally isn't believed to be correct. Interpol puts it at over 50,000. So if the old SA was evil in terms of murder, the new SA is a hell of a lot more evil. The figure of 7,000 was determined by the TRC and the proof is available on their Web site. You are a victim of propaganda....

      Jaimo - 2011-04-18 08:54

      Im glad more folks are seeing the seriousness of this circus!! Really - Now is the time to say "no!" "enough!" "We wont tolerate this VANDALISM of our beloved country!" This constant dismantling and breaking of what is good will continue until heart-brake if not apposed now. Will the country's investors realise that the ANC is run by GANGSTERS is concerning!!

      Stox - 2011-04-18 09:25

      "Wholly unreasonable" to assume that a song with the lyrics "shoot the boer" means shoot the boer? "Entirely bereft of context"? I seem to think that seeing as though the words literally mean "kill the farmer" and farmers are literally being killed, it's precisely in context. C'mon... that's actually insulting in itself. And Mr Hanekom, I hope your paycheck is worth betraying your own people

      wide awake - 2011-04-18 09:51

      Om the button Grant - as I keep pointing out he is just a puppet. The cANCer at best can only steal everything. Nationalize the mines, in fact nationalize everything, land grabs, typical behaviour of any dictatorship. Blame the media and the whites, create diversions with racism 'of course', any dictatorship needs to silence the media and the whites, they are the ones exposing all the corruption. Their followers need to be kept brainwashed in order to keep supporting them. The cANCer are really good at focking a country up, behaviour no different to Zimbabwe, a small group of mad dictators and a starving nation, that's the future here.

      2012 - 2011-04-18 09:58

      whatever....!!! you are paranoid..

      Ang - 2011-04-18 10:37

      Grant, it is not a suspicion, it is a fact, Malema was 'lauched' to the public during the court case of Jacob Zuma to deflect unnecessary and damaging attention away from Zuma at a critical time of the pre-election and court case, if you refer back to that time, almost all of the attention was focused on Malema and not sufficient attention focussed on Zuma which allowed for an easy ride into his current position. Malema is the 'unofficial' spokesperson for the 'official' position of the ANC, however the ANC as the official Government of the country cannot be seen to be supporting a policy that is against the official Government Policy. Malema has the full and unequivocal support of the ANC in everything he utters in public.

      one-way - 2011-04-18 10:48

      This debate also reminds me of a speech made by a U.S. Supreme Court Justice concerning pornography. "I can`t define it, but I know it when I see it." I agree entirely with your statement . The way Julias and his cronies sing it, can mean nothing but Hate for the white in my mind. It therefore by implication means we will have our own "Struggle" soon. Nationalisation will be subtle, enforced Black Ownership and or Australia - Type taxes.

      Gonk - 2011-04-18 11:23

      Even if you give the ANC the benefit of the doubt and assume that when they sing they do not intend hurt to anyone, the perception by those whom are threatened in the lyrics is that they are a target ie Perception v Reality. If the ANC is serious re building a unified nation then the lyrics could be modified or the song dropped from public singing.

      Together - 2011-04-18 11:37

      This is good. It shows the whole country where this ANC's priorities lie.

      michaelx - 2011-04-19 07:32

      WHY DO YOU THINK THE BIG BUMS ARE COMING OUT IN SUPPORT OF THEIR PET MUPPET?THEY ARE AFRAID,VERY AFRAID,THE BIG SLIDE HAS STARTED AND THEY CANT STOP IT NOW-THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION WILL SPEAK AND THE ANC ARE VERY WORRIED.RISE UP CITIZENS AND TAKE BACK WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY YOURS.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-04-17 21:51

    I thought "kill" was to end a life. And I thought "shoot" was to make a gun go boom!. Now the highly educated cadres will show me how wrong I was, and that these concepts are in fact a beautiful song, to promote peace and harmony. Where is the music in this madness?

      pediman - 2011-04-17 21:54

      AND I THOUGHT COMMON SENCE WAS COMMON

      Angel - 2011-04-17 23:04

      @pediman Did you not see on TV tonite, ANC wants to nationalize "common sense" , probably not enough in Africa

      Asterix - 2011-04-17 23:15

      @ pediman I know you are saying this with tongue in cheek for nothing is common about common sense BUT for these assssshooooles they are very common and has yet to display an inkling of sense!!!!!!

      AJ - 2011-04-18 00:13

      @pediman - common sense, ironically, is one of the most rarest of attributes to have.

      mbossenger - 2011-04-18 13:07

      The ANC claim the song is really about killing apartheid, not about killing a farmer. Do they really expect the huge uneducated population of South Africa to make the distinction in meaning of the word "boer" when the song is sung?

      Chillepeppa - 2011-04-18 16:01

      @mbossenger According to some, if not most of the pro-ANC supporters on this thread, Apartheid is still far from over, so they are still fighting that battle. Unable to move forward in life and society...

      Daniel Jones - 2011-04-18 16:08

      Well its all a metaphor, just like shoot the kffrs actually means bring back my apply pie. All very innocent and happy!! It makes sense doen't it, I mean it must because the ANC says so, oh fck, no its doesn't , cos they a bunch of cnuts.

  • Coin - 2011-04-17 22:20

    Is he also going to explain to us why Malema was in Zimbabwe dancing and chanting, shoot the boer, to and with ZanuPF supporters?

      MJ84@24.com - 2011-04-18 10:28

      Because malema supports our baboon for a president mugabe. Zuma does not!

  • velastardust - 2011-04-17 22:27

    Oh please, what a farce ! The song is hate speech ! The ANC can bring in as many 'big guns'as it likes. South Africans are not stupid. The ANCYL sings 'shoot the boer'. Zuma sing 'bring me my gun'. Seriously, what racists ! Zuma might have done better had he have sung 'bring me my condom'!

      Wessel - 2011-04-18 16:15

      I think it is time for us to make a song."Shoot the black farmer".I can promes you if a white ouk sing a song like that he will go to jail.Let see what happen in court with "shoot the boer".i wil write a song.There wil be war in SA in the next 2 years.

  • OuWitBooi - 2011-04-17 22:27

    Hanekom - you are a pathetic little idiot that will be spat out by the ANC the moment you have served your purpose.

      GeorgeSA - 2011-04-17 23:16

      Derek Hanekom brings to mind a phrase used during the war between the boers and the British - hensopper

      Asterix - 2011-04-17 23:18

      He is already out he is desperately trying to get back.What a very stupid minister he was So pardon this new display of stupidity,ass licking and despair

      DW - 2011-04-18 08:11

      Natrually Hanekom does not feel threatened by the song. He is an ANC member and probably has his own bodyguards (paid for with taxpayers money). Its the white farmers who are NOT ANC members/officials at whom this song is directed.

      Kenko - 2011-04-18 08:17

      GeorgeSA, I think you are referring to the "Joiners" - what a sad lot they were. They also turned on their own people in the hope of getting something from their new masters.

      Snoek - 2011-04-18 08:19

      @George, a hensopper was someone who gave up and was neutral, Hannekom is a JOINER. A joiner is someone who gave up and joined the opposition to fight against his own people. Just like kortbroek...

      Fred - 2011-04-18 10:57

      What does van Schalkwyk and all the other ex- NP verraaiers have to say about the song, they seem very quite about this.

      Daniel Jones - 2011-04-18 16:09

      Derek Hanekom se ma skuld my hond geld

      Wessel - 2011-04-18 16:31

      A white man that needs money.He is first in line to be shot.Do he realy thinks that Malema wants him.He is afrikaans.He is just there to help him to listen to afrikaners.Hanekom you stuped

  • MK007 - 2011-04-17 22:33

    this is now getting really boring

  • Karoobloed - 2011-04-17 22:35

    Do I have a deal for the ANC and Afriforum/Freedom Front... The old RSA flag really upsets most most African people. The context is Apartheid and 21,000 African citizens killed over 46 years. The "Shoot the Boer" song really upsets most White South Africans, especially Afrikaner farmers. The context is the 3,000 farmers killed over the 17 years from 1994 to 2011. Would it not be a significant gesture in nation building if the ANC ensured that "Shoot the Boer" is not sung at public gatherings, and Afriforum/Freedom Front ensures that the old RSA flag is not brandished at public gatherings, including sporting stadiums? Deal or no deal?

      william.botha - 2011-04-17 23:07

      Where do you get 21000? The TRC document states 7000 including black on black violence from 1946 to 1994.

      Stanley - 2011-04-17 23:10

      You failed to mention that of the +-21000 african citizens killed; 8000 were attributed to the police/government...... the balance was national vs national (as per the TRC findings)..

      Asterix - 2011-04-17 23:21

      I think we should unfurl our old flags if they win this case. So we can also irritate the living s out of them At least no body's life is threatened by a flag.

      Asterix - 2011-04-17 23:26

      Most of those deaths was black on black violence with burning tyres Your stats are heavily inflated that is nearly 500 a year. Where did you get these stats in ANC HQ

      Karoobloed - 2011-04-18 00:08

      My intention was just to remind both sides involved in the court case of the opposing context of "taking offense". The impact of murder and fear cannot just be measured in the respective tally of killings - one person killed or living in fear is one to many already. SA Human Rights deposition at the TRC: Apartheid directly responsible for the death of 7,000 RSA citizens between 1948 and 1989, and 14,000 between 1989 and 1994 (I think it is offensive to try and make the 1989 to 1994 a largely African-on-African phenomenon thing, when a "3rd force" was clearly at play at that time). And take into account that I did not include the tally from the Apartheid era cross border atrocities, or the senseless slaughter of citizens in the crime wave since the ANC came to power. Our beloved RSA has serious problems. Let us not forget where we came from, but try and reach out to our perceived adversaries. To stop singing "Shoot the Boer", and stop waving the old RSA flag would seem to be a great start.

      TamaraSays - 2011-04-18 00:12

      Notwithstanding, even if the 21,000 is an inflated figure, that amounts to 465 per year. If you take the 3600 white farmers killed IN A DEMOCRACY, that averages 212 per year. Adjust that according to the 9:1 racial ratio, and that would have been 1880 killed every year. But that, apparently, is okay, because we don't have a name for it. Excuse my while I hurl.

      AJ - 2011-04-18 00:17

      @Karoobloed - why is it Afriforum's responsibility - they do not use the old flag, I dont undserstand what you mean. Oh and aparthied deaths on black people by the apartheid govt were about 5-600 - the rest was black on black and nowhere near 21000..

      william.botha - 2011-04-18 07:56

      http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/media/1997/9705/s970527b.htm

      Dan Grey - 2011-04-18 08:55

      You have your facts wrong. The 21,000 blacks you mentioned that were killed during apartheid were killed by other blacks. The TRC found the apartheid government guilty of only 7,000 deaths over a period of 42 years. Please check your facts, as you are misinforming people, but then again isn't mis-information all you have going for you? ............. The old SA flag was never used to kill anybody. The song on the other hand incites hatred and it does lead to murder.

      Thandi - 2011-04-18 09:38

      The old RSA flag is an embarresment - the 'Shoot the Boer' song is an embarresment - but there can be no bigger embarresment to the entire human race than Malema and his persistent striving to associate himself with everything that is negative. If he, as the leader of the so-called youth, were to promote things like education, work ethics, etc. he might earn himself a place as a member of the human race. He will go down in history as the 'clown prince' of the Zuma era, but unfortunately not before furthering his racist views to the detriment of all, particularly the black youth.

      wide awake - 2011-04-18 10:50

      Not sure who you are trying to make a deal with Karoobloed, but if it's the cANCer you have no chance. This whole debacle suits their intent, it is keeping the followers occupied, singing songs and focusing on bull***t, a great diversion from the important facts, their corruption and racism, which was being realized by all. You have to understand how dictators work, go research old news on Idi Amin - Uganda or Zimbabwe - Magabe 'after he contracted syphilis and you will recognize what this farce is about. Basically they need to keep followers 'brainwashed' in order for them to keep supporting them no matter what corrupt bull***t they are up to. Easy pattern to follow, next up 'land grabs' nationalization etc. Zuma says nothing either way, they still need someone to create the opposite illusion so that taxpayers continue to pay, if the cANCers true intent is exposed at this time, there would be a lot more tax payers 'skilled people' leaving, they cannot allow that, still need someone to direct blame at and of course be able to steal money from tax payers.

      Bad1hq - 2011-04-18 14:45

      The old flag has nothing to do with it, it is a symbol cast away to give a gesture of unity... the same should be done with inciting struggle songs, they are no longer relevant and are inappropriate where people are getting killed NOW in a "democratic" country. But apparently the court case is against their "revolution", the revolution is over, we got a new government and new constitution 17 years ago which we should all abide by. A new revolution isn't something anybody should take lightly. The government should be worried when people start talking about revolution this and revolution that, especially when the youth are yet to learn the true meaning of the word.

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-04-18 18:26

      The old flag has already been banned...

      Karoobloed - 2011-04-19 21:21

      RSA cannot heal or succeed while population groups wait for other groups to transform, while not willing to transform themselves. In this case the Malema and the ANC are clearly failing the objective of nation building. Hate over vision. Hugely disappointing.

  • Mike - 2011-04-17 22:37

    Can't believe an Afrikaner can be soooo stupid. What in the world is Hannekom thinking ? Is hy getik ... lol. Hallo ... you're a white guy ?!? Shoot the white guy ?!?

      Angel - 2011-04-17 23:08

      He is earning a packet, being on the gravy train.......give him a break. What a joke!

      Judge DREAD - 2011-04-18 08:09

      @Kabelo,not about colour you say ?????? - rich coming from you,one of the biggest regular racists on this forum- its funny that you just cant manage to hide your hatred for white people- racists like you will destroy this country

      Dan Grey - 2011-04-18 08:57

      People will say a lot of things for thrity silver pieces. He has also made himself guilty now, as the blood of the innocent farmers are now also on his hands. It is between him and God now.

      bent5000 - 2011-04-18 10:48

      I recon Hannekom is going to get taken out for being such an puppet.

      croix - 2011-04-18 12:25

      Please remember the upcoming election - the ANC feels it is losing its grip a bit, so now another diversion by Malemmer's court case to hide the failures with service delivery of the ANC government. All election talk BLAH,BLAH,BLAH............

  • Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-04-17 22:43

    Okay, can we save everybody a lot of time and money, and stipulate that every ANC official will not regard the song as hate speech? Hearing them all testify to this will achieve nothing. Will the ANC stipulate that an overwhelming majority of citizens, including their own membership, has a different view? There can be no question that the literal interpretation is relevant, when it is uttered by the same people who are on record declaring "We say what we mean, there is no other meaning" on another matter of hateful and defamatory speech. Ultimately, hate speech is always endorsed by those who utter it. The judgement must favour those to whom it causes offence. No rational person could possibly condone the continued use of a device so clearly inflammatory.

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-18 01:47

      Yes, when I stuck my knife in your belly, I didn't feel a thing. How can you say it is painful? It is a beautiful knife with a lot of sentimental value. My grandfather gave it to me.

      Kabelo - 2011-04-18 08:04

      As a reminder: ANC is the same party that fought against apartheid, it is therefore still in support to its people and they are still in the same thoughts as they were during apartheid time. Don't be confused, have that in mind. Therefore, injury to one - injury to all. Asseblief, u can't break the fatherly bond between a son and a father

      DW - 2011-04-18 08:20

      @ kabelo - that is exactly the point. Injury to one is injury to all. Killing farmers is a major injury to the country's food producing ability. And the fact that they still have the same thoughts as during apartheid time is also not a defense - during that time they HATED the white man and wanted him dead. We are in a new democracy and, although the past should not be forgotten, staying in the same killing the white man mindset will not ensure the future peace and prosperity of this country. What if the white Afrikaners kept the same thoughts as during the apartheid time? Move forward, man. You cannot keep living in the past.

      Cheq - 2011-04-18 08:22

      @Kabelo, one can take a person out of the bush but can never take the bush out of the person....now that's the truth you dumb ass....

      gizzy - 2011-04-18 08:46

      The ANC fought for freedom? And so did the PAC, Black sash,UDM, Progressive Federal Party, university students etc... The ANC can't claim to be the only people that fought apartheid. Put that in your stinking pipe and smoke it Kabelo!

      Dan Grey - 2011-04-18 09:07

      Fact is that we live in a country in which farm murders occur frequently. These murder victims are often tortured before being killed. If farms murders were not a reality in this country, thyen the song would have been OK, but the fact remains that farmers are being slaughtered. To try to imply that the song does not motivate these bural killers to kill farmers is an exercise for the stupid. What I find most telling is that the ANC finally has come out in support of this song. Finally they are stopping their double speak and being truthful. They want the whites dead. Whites are only good enough as cash cows...for paying taxes. I say enough. This government hates me and want to see me dead. Why should I give any money to them at all. Read my lips: "They are backing Malema when he sings about killing the Afrikaners" They are not repesentative of my people. I do not view them as my government any more. They can go fly.

      Dippidydot - 2011-04-18 10:21

      @Kabelo, I would question how the ANC and its followers can remain in the "same thoughts" as you call it? Apartheid is over, maybe time should be spent in making the future of South Africa better in stead of keeping your head in the past. We should all remember the past, but only in such a way as to not make the same mistakes. Unfortunately, singing this song only fans the flames of hatred and so makes exactly the mistakes of the past. Also, as a party elected to government, the ANC should support all people of South Africa, not just its supporters. That is the responsibility of a democratic government. So an injury to ANY race should be an injury to the government!

      wide awake - 2011-04-18 11:47

      lol Kabelo - that is the funniest reply I have read for a long time. As a reminder - 'ANC is the same party that fought against apartheid' The leaders of the old ANC had integrity, they also had a 'struggle' which was appropriate. They were fighting against the government. Your cANCer of today are the government and have been for 17 years, their legacy is: corruption, racism at the expense of the nation. None of the cANCer has shown any signs of integrity or any real attempt to uplift the nation. Their only concern is to fill their own pockets, and spread bull**t propaganda to cover their deeds. Their is no comparison to the old ANC, that's why the cANCer keep mentioning old leaders names and old struggle songs etc. they really have nothing of their own behaviour in the past 10 years that they can promote with. When your organization is rotten you have to revert to the past to gain support.

  • shrink - 2011-04-17 22:46

    i heard that in anc they measure the space occupied by air in your cranium(head), if it is big enough, then you qualify to be called a BIG GUN and these is done by woodworm/k malema himself.

  • BigSpoon - 2011-04-17 22:50

    Dont these bigwigs have serious things to do during the day, like run the country, why was their time and our money again on this boy????

  • Macho Mike - 2011-04-17 22:54

    Eish, "wood" you belief it. Da "cabinet" is being sent to help the Woodman. Malema, what type of "oak" are you? Maybe a "pine" type, certainly not a "Wonderboom". Maybe a "coconut" tree, a "bonsai" or a "wheeping willow"? I think you are a "black gum" tree. So why do you need the big guns to help you? Can't fight your own battles, or are you just Zuma's puppet on a string? Anyway, you are busy "carving" out your future, and that of SA, and it all looks pretty dark to me.

      Kabelo - 2011-04-18 08:05

      Unfortunately Malema doesn't read this this brother - talk to us not him

      gizzy - 2011-04-18 08:47

      Kabelo, did your cadres wake you up early to troll? Depserate times hey!

      Arno - 2011-04-18 09:48

      @KissTheBoer: Ha Ha Ha !!!!! You just made our point for us. Thanks dude. BTW N24 your "report comment" button does not work, very much like KissTheBoer head.

      Arno - 2011-04-18 10:01

      Can someone please save the judge some time, print the above mentioned comment by KissTheBoer and hand it to Afriforum. This is all the proof they need. KissTheBoer you are truly an idiot (as can be deduced out of your grasp of the english language), id bet that your IQ is lower than malemas.

  • trainsmash - 2011-04-17 22:56

    Liberation song or no liberation song> does not matter because after 17years of ANC rule the so-called youth now getting swept up on these songs have no reference to its so-called liberation cause. They here shoot the boer just the same as if the AWB sang lets shoot the Caffers to 16 and 18 year old white kids. This is hatespeech and Malema needs to go to jail for this.

      WCD - 2011-04-18 11:52

      Be better than them! - give him a lollypop and forget about this misinformed hooligan !

  • Leon - 2011-04-17 22:59

    If all the arguments support the singing of "Shoot the Boer" has substance as a matter of tradition, heritage, etc., have any measure of substance, it would then also be in order for the Afrikaners to compose and sing a song with (something like) "Bomb the Brit"; becvause of the British murdering 26000 women & children a century ago. However, this isn't the point. Our greatest desire is to promote 'HARMONY' in SA. Against this factual background, could any body explain how songs such as "Kill the boer" could ever radiate a spirit of KINDNESS!!! Rgds Pro-South African

      liesl - 2011-04-18 16:20

      Actually no, because a new song can't suddenly acquire heritage and history even if it refers to historical events. For me this song does have a place in museums etc, not at political rallies.

  • Angel - 2011-04-17 23:02

    I would like to know how many Afrikaner ANC is in Hanekom's many? hahaha, I am positive he is dreaming

  • william.botha - 2011-04-17 23:05

    I say lets have a countrywide referendum on this song. Let the people who put those leaders up there have the definitive say. If more than 50% against, ban it.

      slg - 2011-04-17 23:12

      I think this is a good idea. There comes a time in every organization's life when it crosses aims and becomes self-serving, rather than serve the ideals and people it was formed to do. Clearly the ANC has crossed this line. A referendum will bypass it and most South Africans with common sense will vote the right way: to end the violence that these hate songs nurture and generate.

      multicon - 2011-04-18 08:52

      Are you scared of the outcome "BABA" Kabelo

      wide awake - 2011-04-18 11:35

      What is more crap Kabelo is you don't realize this has nothing to do with the song, it is another method of keeping followers like you brainwashed. Really sad is that you don't even realize you are brainwashed and being used as a pawn, when you finally wake up to that, the country will be a sewer like Zimbabwe, some wealthy dictators and millions starving.

  • joe777xxx@24.com - 2011-04-17 23:06

    What bothers me is the presiding "judge"(forget the thing's name) drives with open windows anywhere, WTF is this pr!ck living on another planet?If you are going to testify in a high profile case like this naturaly you are going to be concerned about your family.Help people, we have to see this to the international courts.Any good advocates out to help?

  • kirill.kholine - 2011-04-17 23:07

    oh please...nationalization...and then? people are constantly saying this is going to happen and that is going to happen for the past 15 years...lay off it for a while and just chill in the beautiful country we call south africa :)

      Asterix - 2011-04-17 23:36

      So you have not read any news papers lately??? To you it may seem a beautiful country but then you have not seen the excrement floating down the roads, nor the massive potholes nor any of the retrogression of what WAS a beautiful country,nor read about the farm murders occurring at least every day nor the rape and murder of innocent people for cellphones etc. PLEASE wake up and get your head out of that hole in the ground!

      WCD - 2011-04-18 11:54

      kirill.kholine, are you on crack?

  • GeorgeSA - 2011-04-17 23:22

    ########## He also did so with a clear conscience, knowing the words were not designed to harm whites, Afrikaners or farmers. ####### Can this be proven without a shadow of a doubt? I think not. 3000 farmers killed and counting. Where is the so called nation building in singing struggle songs. Isn't the "struggle" supposed to be ended for almost 2 decades now? Just wondering.

      Tamzien - 2011-04-18 10:54

      He who alleges must prove, you putting the cart before the horse buddy. If you say that farm murders are linked to the singing of the song you must prove it. You can't make an unsubstantiated claims and ask the accused to disprove it. Not in the new SA anyway, in the good old days the word of a whitey was all you needed to meet the burden of proof. Damn this pesky independent judiciary!!!!!! *If definitive proof exists then old Juju will be brought out on charges*

      Tamzien - 2011-04-18 10:57

      By the way I think the singing of the song is reckless and immature in this day and age but people are making an enormous leap by making it the reason for farm murders. Dare I say I think they are trivializing a much more involved worrying problem. Which will not be addressed until we find the root cause.

      Larissa - 2011-04-18 15:34

      6000000 Jewish people was killed during the WW2, do you Kabelo here them singing @KILL The GERMANS@?

      CharlieSheen - 2011-04-18 16:51

      @Kabelo - you defend the song since to you, it's an ANC matter, that the 'white people' want to take away. Just remember, you call this song heritage, part of history, yet the same people who claim they want to hold onto our heritage, are the people who's changing city names, street names, airport names...anything that sounds 'too white'. They say that things like the Springbok emblem reminds people of apartheid, and brings pain, and they want to change that, yet they defend songs that say "Shoot the boer". They claim street names that remind us of apartheid should be changed to struggle heroes, since the former only brings pain and bad memories...but they sing "Shoot the boer". No my friend, you're diffusional. Wake up and smell the coffee. Your so called government has nothing in their favor other than the struggle. Other than that, they've done buggerall for this country other than divide and conquer for their own personal gain. Election time, and all they can do is tell people they should vote for them to go to heaven, that they should vote ANC for Madiba, instead of being able to keep your vote based on what they do on a day to day basis. They HAVE to keep these songs, since without them, people will move on, and then they loose the only leverage they have come election time. This isn't about a song for them, this is about keeping racism alive!

      wide awake - 2011-04-18 23:13

      Tamzien - irrespective of the outcome of the court case, you have already lost but in your narrow minded racist brainwashed condition you don't even realize that. He has managed to expose the cANCer for the corrupt racist thieves that they are, has lost investment confidence that is going to take years to regain. This is going to affect the amount that can be stolen by the cANCer and whoever is connected to them including you who obviously benefits by the corruption.

  • To The Point - 2011-04-17 23:38

    ANC is more Racist than the Apartheid regime. The struggle is over and if you continue with this stupidity you will provoke a struggle you and all of us will regret. The ANC and ANCYL continue to dishonour everything Madiba stands for. He must be a very sad man seeing how people like Malema and the present government continue disgracing this country and everything Madiba the Icon stands for. You will be the cause of him dying a heartbroken man who only wanted this country to prove to the world that the people of South Africa are the key to world harmony and peace – you have disgraced and insulted our leader and you should not be allowed to call yourselves members of the ANC. Shame on all of you.

  • To The Point - 2011-04-17 23:42

    ANC is more Racist than the Apartheid regime. The struggle is over and if you continue with this stupidity you will provoke a struggle you and all of us will regret. The ANC and ANCYL continue to dishonour everything Madiba stands for. He must be a very sad man seeing how people like Malema and the present government continue disgracing this country and everything Madiba the Icon stands for. You will be the cause of him dying a heartbroken man who only wanted this country to prove to the world that the people of South Africa are the key to world harmony and peace – you have disgraced and insulted our leader and you should not be allowed to call yourselves members of the ANC. Shame on all of you.

      cdnmoose - 2011-04-18 00:36

      Eloquently spoken...some in the ANC seem to have not got the memo...."Apartheid is dead and buried....now govern and administer or move aside". I think this focus is a smokescreen to try to hide the failure of the cadres, lying to the people. However, they are not as stupid or gullible as Juliarse and company think. Beware...our TUnisia is coming and you ANC morons won't be able to hide.

      Dan Grey - 2011-04-18 09:08

      Mark my words...."The ANC will one day be remembered as a regime that was as evil as the Nazis."

      WCD - 2011-04-18 11:56

      Dont insult the Nazi's !

      Cire - 2011-04-19 12:55

      Well, if Madiba really is 'saddened' all he has to do is say so! Hear anything yet?

  • v3 - 2011-04-17 23:42

    Hanekom is a total flake: how representative can he claim to be of Afrikaners. It is sad to see once, not exactly great, but not exactly mediocre either, "leaders" reduced to dishonesty, omerta and brazing it out together, which is all the ANC is, these days. Clearly, the Big Wigs in the kleptocracy back Inkwenkwe, clearly he speaks on their behalf and with their blessing.

  • saxor - 2011-04-17 23:55

    I see that this country seems to be heading downhill why sing to kill others ,take the time and work for jobs

      Moi1980 - 2011-04-18 08:21

      @Kabelo - yes, it's putting an end to work and jobs

      KnysnaSha - 2011-04-18 10:15

      Kabelo, watch and learn what? All the corruption and lack of services? That is something no one should be learning.

      KnysnaSha - 2011-04-18 10:17

      Kabelo I had a black principal (32 years experience in teaching in SA)in a township school tell me the other day how the education system has gone down since the ANC has been in government and I am afraid he is right. The 'cheap' schooling the kids are getting in the township is a disgrace. Whose fault is that?

      bent5000 - 2011-04-18 10:54

      Kabelo! just stop commenting! Your a disgrace to the african culture.

      wide awake - 2011-04-18 11:31

      Kabelo is right - we should watch, nothing to learn though, not hard to see the cANCer dictatorship is following any other dictators moves. Corruption, diversion, self greed, racism, useless. Nothing new another dictatorship in the making.

      Realist - 2011-04-18 11:43

      This Kabelo is an absolute racist jackass! It is him and his ilk that keep the ANC in power. PS I am not white Kabelo! Judging from all your comments, you lack intergrity, or the poer of rational unbiased thinking. SA does not need people like you here!

      Christel Olivier - 2011-04-18 20:53

      There is a lot more to all of this than meet the eye. During the ANC "struggle" they were in cahoots with the Russians. Today they are in cahoots with the Chinese. Has anybody noticed how the "Big Man" is swaying to their tune? What kind of hold do they have over the ANC? Money. And lots of it. They are funding the ANC, and at the same time working their way into our country. Where you look are Chinese. The Chinese have sent their people over with the promise that if they start a business here, they will fund them. All they need is a minimum of five people. Our clothing factories were closed some time ago. South Africans that have worked there for generations have lost their jobs. Who today provide the clothes? The Chinese off course. Check out Edgars etc. And that is not the only place they have taken over. This Zuma allows. He is just standing back and opening doors left and right. Jobs? Promises only (because of the election coming up). Anything to distract from the real issue at hand. But don't kid yourself. There won't be any so called jobs. For South Africans, that is. And that includes you Kabelo! I am not saying this is the only thing happening in the background. There are lots more, and I am sure we don't even know or suspect half of it.

  • TamaraSays - 2011-04-18 00:08

    I am sorry, but if they were intended to be against the system of white oppression, then what is the point of singing them now, 17 years after that system ended for ever? Smells like a load of BS to me.

      AJ - 2011-04-18 04:09

      Tamara - is is obvious that they want the song around as it is a convenient tool for engaging in anit-white rhetoric etc, especially at rallies. Songs that encourage unity are unfortunately successfull substitutions for disocussions on policy and governance / service delivery (which should be the focus of electioneering). In a nutshell, it is useful for the ANC to have a short sharp song which encourages distrust and hatred of all white people in general.

  • AJ - 2011-04-18 00:12

    Many countries have had songs which used to be song, but due to common sense, have dropped them as they serve little purpose but to alienate people. SA does not seem intelligent enough to make the same distinction. The Republicans in the US might well have had an antiIndian song they sang around campfires back in the day, but they would hardly use it to open congress in the modern day and age on the basis of it being 'part of their history'. One needs to acknowledge that all have part of their history which are inappropriate and embarrassing and liable to be misused and misunderstood. The glaring lack of brains trust in SA is totally missing the point in this regard. In the rest of the world, let's face it, what govt would not only sanction but actively lobby for a song that called for death of a group of people, who are still referred to by the same name as that in the song. Backwards nation, baackwards 'leaders' - the world must laugh at our childishness.

  • Voice - 2011-04-18 04:28

    When Bok van Bler sang the song about a freedom fighter that will safe the "Boer", this was attacked by the ANC as something that can do harm to piece in the country. Now what do you call Malema song???? A love song?????

      Spoofed - 2011-04-18 09:58

      I'm sorry but The song De la rey has noting to do with apartheid like the ANC claims. it is a song about the struggle against the British trying to take our country from us. The British put us, black and white, into concentration camps and killed us by the numbers. It is about a small group of Boere who stood up and won! they fought for everybody! black and white and now look? The ANC wants to fight to keep singing a song that incites the killing of the BOER

  • Stefan Terblanche - 2011-04-18 05:22

    How can hannekom call himself an 'afrikaaner'. They are just proofing the point that boer = afrikaaner. I've immigrated and now see that I had made the right decision, why take my children back to this. So they can be shot and killed because malema cannot let apartheid go. The song was aimed at 'white racist supremacy and not individual South Africans', your telling one group to kill another group. What does the Voortrekker monument have to do with apartheid, does everything that belongs to white people now form part of the apartheid era? Sad day for South Africa, when malema gets released and allowed to sing this, very sad day.

  • Proudly SA - 2011-04-18 06:08

    In terms of the constitution, this should be a clear cut case and this song should be banned and Malema severely sanctioned How can the ANC not be senisitive to the obvious trauma this song causes many people in this country, let alone enormous damage to the image of country and our economy ? It is ahr to believe, we were selcted to host the 2010 World Cup as singing this type of song is not what done in civilized country. If the song is so special and peace loving, why is not sung when a large grant for HIV research or major investment deal signed ??? The attitude of the hangers on outside court is clear indiation that this song is taken liteally and trust this can be taken as evidence. I hope this week the police have not had amneasia again and fogotten to arrest people with automatic weapons in public and that it is also an offensive to urinate on somebody in public and expose yourself.

  • ms.labelledPanda - 2011-04-18 06:22

    I am disgusted and very happy that I left. I lve my home country but I used to dread walking through Jhb CBD to uni because I am a minority. This just adds to the hate

  • Atoombom - 2011-04-18 06:42

    What a bunch of monkey spankers. Just blow this monkey's brains out and the problem is solved

  • pitbull - 2011-04-18 06:44

    I reckon they should AK 47's on themselves. What is the bet that Hanekom is being bribed to make these comments? Enough money will see him overseas away from Africa. A solution: I have been having these wonderful thoughts on how to get rid of the useless politicians in South Africa and solving the housing problems for old people at the same time. Because South Africa does not support their old people each of the old people should kill a politician. The perpetrators would be sent to prison where they would get free board and lodging, free medical aid, free burial at the end of it and their kids would visit them as much as they do anyway. The richer perpetrators could support the poorer ones and the other prisoners would then become protectors to the older prisoners.

      Dippidydot - 2011-04-18 10:25

      Troll-alert - Please do not respond to @Kabelo! For those who do not know what a troll is, in Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response. So don't give @Kabelo the satisfaction please, just ignore.

  • daaivark - 2011-04-18 06:58

    What a load of bull.

  • pig - 2011-04-18 07:13

    hanekom is a traitor!!!!!

      Snoek - 2011-04-18 08:25

      Joiner!

  • mrsesom - 2011-04-18 07:14

    That fat,matric failure,idiot, must go rot in jail.

      wide awake - 2011-04-18 11:08

      Keep singing the songs Kabelo, it is keeping you in your brainwashed state of mind, perfect for the cANCer to manipulate you into supporting them. You are either naive or benefiting from the corruption, you will only wake up when you are in a mud hut starving.

      Realist - 2011-04-18 11:49

      IGNORE THE TROLL!

  • Gazwa - 2011-04-18 07:20

    What struggle, what revolution, the ANC have the country so why must they continue with the so called struggle. The only people keeping the poor down and in the gutters are the ANC beaurocrats who line thier own pockets. If you want to use the word communism then why don't you act accordingly and adopt "communistic" practice in full. But i guess that would mean no more swanky watches and clothes and cars and everyone would be on the same paygrade, those that pick thier noses and do nothing would be rewarded....or let's go with the Red Chinese, no human rights,mass genocide and a total ban on freedom of speech. Rainbow nation, that is all bull.

      william.botha - 2011-04-18 08:03

      It is when so called leaders have no value to bring to the people, they have to retort to usurping and stirring revolutionary emotions in order to remain in or attain positions of power. It is common amongst struggling and third world countries.

      Dan Grey - 2011-04-18 09:10

      The struggle will never be over for most blacks, as they remain poor. The fact that they are poor, because they remain uneducated excapes them. It is easier to blame the white man for your own shortcomings.

  • Shai-hulud - 2011-04-18 07:20

    The Voortrekker monument has nothing to do with apartheid. The Great Trek happened in the 1830's. So Serotes argument about it makes no sense. Derek Hanekom is a spineless,gutless,corrupt ANC crony. I have personally never heard an Afrikaner sing "dubula". What a coward. What a joke.

      pitbull - 2011-04-18 07:27

      I wonder how much he was paid to say what he did. Love of money is the great corrupter. Worshippers of the gods of Mamon. You can't take it with you when you go so what is the point of accumulating wealth?

      KissTheBoer - 2011-04-18 08:47

      maybe you need to have your ears checked

      wide awake - 2011-04-18 11:12

      Kabelo - the problem is not with 'a white man running with darkies', the problem is a white man supporting corruption, racism against his own colour, supporting dictatorship, and supporting the fact that in the hands of the cANCer, this country is f***ked.

      Realist - 2011-04-18 11:50

      IGNORE THE TROLL!

  • Spiral - 2011-04-18 07:32

    So why sing the song in the first place. White oppression does not exist anymore, the only reason why he sings this song is to kill the farmer and the get rid of the whites who actually made South Africa. Without the whites SA would be like the rest of Africa. Julius and Winnie Mandela are a racist pigs and should pay for his actions. If Afriform loses this case they should take it to an International court, where the judges cannot be bought or threatened.

  • saliem - 2011-04-18 08:04

    Using Hanekom is a stroke of genius. As a Jan van Riebeek Hoerskool (hehe) old boy and someone who dutifully completed 2 years national service under the old regime, he is clearly previously "disadvantaged". One wonders where he learnt the song... at school of Pothofstroom (where he did national service) :P

  • Godfather - 2011-04-18 08:04

    ohhhh....i like! i like!! finally you catchin the drift, thats how we roll, slow poison its what it is. w8 until it gets to your hearts and there shall be no utterance, in the mean time welcome to SA & enjoy the ride till further notice.

  • c1 - 2011-04-18 08:12

    One bullet... one Malema

  • Steveribs - 2011-04-18 08:15

    Who really is attempting to rewrite history? Is the controversial song urging the killing of “Boers” truly part of the ANC’s liberation struggle heritage, or are such claims simply an ingenuous, or perhaps sinister, attempt by the ANC leadership to defend its Youth League leader Julius Malema by distorting the historical truth? Or is the ANC itself trying to rewrite history after it accused the courts of doing so when two successive court rulings found the song to incite racial hatred – findings in line with one already made by the Human Rights Commission (HRC) as long ago as 2003? These are questions that come to the fore from an investigation into the origins of the controversial song, "Dubula iBhunu". The truth seems to be that words to the same effect first were chanted in Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC) circles in the early 1990s along with their infamous slogan of “one settler, one bullet”. Shortly thereafter, the late ANC youth leader Peter Mokaba borrowed the slogan and began chanting his “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” version in 1993 after the murder of ANC and Communist Party leader, Chris Hani. In none of the sources on the origins of the song which could be identified, could any indication be found that the song has ever been part of the ANC repertoire of songs during the struggle days. Although the controversial song sung by Malema is claimed now to be a historical liberation struggle song, it was not included in a 2-CD history and recording of 25 freedom songs released in 2002. Senior ANC and former Umkhonto we Sizwe leaders, including Ronnie Kasrils, Baleka Mbete and Pallo Jordan among others, had collaborated in the production of the collection. At the time of its release, the CD set was described as a collection of field recordings of songs and chants used in the liberation struggle, complemented by a radio documentary providing an overview of the songs, their history and context in the struggle. These songs were sung in ANC camps, at meetings, mass rallies, demonstrations and other gatherings. The set, it was said, was designed as an archival and historical document. Nowhere did it mention “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” or “shoot the Boer”. All indications are that the slogan or chant and the song, or even songs that developed from it, originated with the Pan Africanist Congress (PAC). In August 1999, Thomas Ramaila told the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that he had been a PAC operative and had been influenced by what he called a PAC slogan, namely “kill the farmer, kill the Boer” to kill a farmer, Neville Rudman. Most of Ramaila’s testimony and his amnesty application were rejected, but his reference to the slogan was not. The slogan/song in any version was used first in circles associated with the PAC in the early 1990s, although the PAC never officially took ownership of it and, after the first democratic elections of 1994, distanced itself from it. At almost the same time, the ANC’s Mokaba began using the slogan in 1993 when the armed struggle for all intents and purposes was a thing of the past. In that same year, a large crowd of PAC supporters marched through Cape Town’s Kenilworth and Claremont suburbs, demanding the release of PAC members who had been arrested in connection with the massacre of 11 churchgoers at the St. James Church and chanted “kill the Boer, kill the farmer”, “one settler, one bullet” and “one church, one bomb”. Also in 1993, at a rally in Tembisa near Johannesburg, both Mokaba and a PAC representative used these or similar words in speeches to the large crowd. Mokaba reportedly also urged the crowd to direct their “bullets” at then president FW de Klerk, declaring that he hated De Klerk. To which the PAC representative added, “war against the enemy... kill them”. In March this year, a former participant in an August 1993 march (called “Operation Barcelona”) against increased exam fees in Cape Town, wrote in a comment to an article on the Internet, that he was among PASO (PAC student wing) students in the march who chanted “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” immediately before American student Amy Biehl was killed by members of that mob. In 2002, then president Thabo Mbeki, as president of the ANC, and in 2003 then ANC secretary-general Kgalema Motlanthe - who is now ANC deputy president - firmly and unambiguously distanced the ANC from any such song or slogan, saying it had never been, and would never be, a part of the ANC. No claim was made then that it – in any form - ever had been an ANC liberation struggle song. That is until now, when, in March this year, Malema began singing a generic version of Mokaba’s chant. Suddenly senior ANC leaders, among them secretary-general Gwede Mantashe, are claiming this to be an old ANC liberation struggle song that apparently never was sung to incite violence against white farmers or whites in general, but was aimed against the apartheid regime. Mcebisi Ndletyana, senior researcher at the Human Science Research Council - in another defence of the song and attack on the judges who ruled against its use in an article in "The Sunday Independent" - claims the song embodies black hatred of “whiteness”, but not of people of European descent... with a very wooly explaination of what the difference is intended to be. No documentary or other evidence could be found that the chant or related songs were indeed ANC liberation songs before 1993, when the liberation struggle was practically over and constitutional negotiations in full swing. The Mokaba chant of “kill the farmer, kill the Boer” was next heard in June 2002 at an ANC Youth League meeting in Kimberley, and at Mokaba’s funeral in Limpopo. The funeral was attended by prominent ANC leaders, including Nelson Mandela and Mbeki, and the chanting was stopped immediately. The Freedom Front lodged a complaint of hate speech with the HRC, which subsequently rejected it. However Mbeki, as president of the ANC and the country at the time, on 19 June of that year told Parliament: “Nobody in our country has a right to call for the killing of any South African, whatever the colour, race, ethnic origin, gender or health condition of the intended victim. Those farmers and boers are as much South African and African as I am...” In June 2003, the HRC, chaired by Professor Karthy Govender, assisted by Professor Henk Botha and Mr Khashane Manamela, heard an appeal by the Freedom Front against the earlier HRC ruling. In their decision, delivered on 15 July, they overturned the earlier HRC ruling and found that the slogan "Kill the farmer, kill the boer" as chanted at the ANC youth rally in Kimberley and at the funeral of Mokaba constituted hate speech as defined in section 16(2)(c) of the Constitution. What is even more interesting is that part of the record of submissions made to the HRC at the time contains a letter from Motlanthe, then ANC secretary-general, stating that the ‘’utterance has never been, cannot and will never be a slogan of the ANC, not used by the ANC at all.’’ The logical assumption then is that, according to Motlanthe, it was not part of the ANC’s liberation struggle heritage.

      Sme - 2011-04-18 08:49

      Now this sounds like perfect closing argument to me Steveribs!!!! :-) Please forward without haste to the FF advocates!!! Just goes to show the SOB's will use anything to incite and make a point.... Kabelo, what do you think of this then.....awaiting your answer in anticipation.....please answer each and every point and fact that Steveribs laid out in his comment.......I DARE YOU

      multicon - 2011-04-18 08:58

      Spot on Steve, a marvel of information, well done.

      Gatvol - 2011-04-18 10:12

      Very interesting info and very thorough. You seem very clued up on the subject. You should approach these Afriforum advocates in a hurry. It's seems more and more like they are gonna lose the case

      Hugh - 2011-04-18 10:25

      well reseached, good memory and vert accrate. Some of the video of the information can be found on U tube. Most are shot at the time so there is no argument of what was said and in what context. The problem with most South Africans is that they have a short memory span of what counts in our history. They are easily diverted with minor issues and comment with their hearts and little logic.

      Voidy - 2011-04-18 11:17

      Well said, thank you for a nice read, I agree with the other people, now contact those attorneys.

      BlackLikeMe - 2011-04-18 15:55

      I sent this piece on to Alana Bailey, Adjunk-Uitvoerende Hoof AfriForum. She has read it and gives her thanks.

      PIM - 2011-04-19 11:48

      Steveribs - you are confusing 2 different things here; "Kill the boer" chant and "Dhubula" song. With regards to the chant, you're mostly correct to its notorius history; but regarding the song, I beg to differ from someone who was old enough and there in those turbulent mid-to-late 80's. We sang that song all the time, when we were staring down a "Hippo" (casspir), or during the many rallies/meetings/strikes. Having said that, it is most unfortunate that Malema/ANC persists in defending its singing under the current circumstances. I believe it is time that it gets archived with all the other apartheid-era symbols, especially as it's been used by its enemies to discredit it. However, just like Tamzien above, I still don't believe that farmers are been killed because of the singing of these song, and getting side-tracked on this song will delay getting to "grips" with these killings.

  • Spoofed - 2011-04-18 08:20

    I wonder how much Hanekom is getting paid to testify on malema's behalf?

      Dan Grey - 2011-04-18 09:11

      30 Pieces of silver. He sold his soul. Lets hope he finds sollace.

      Voidy - 2011-04-18 11:18

      He should be paid in lead.

  • Realist - 2011-04-18 08:23

    Let us all just hope that the BIG GUNS can at least explain the true meaning/translation of iBhunu. We are not all stupid! The Readers Digest "Multi Language Dictionary" states very clearly the following: System = ihlelo Africaner = iBhunu Shoot = Shoot THUS "awudubhule ibhunu" means "Shoot the AFRICANER" period. So why all the ANC okes evading answering what is the documented correct translations? This is very disturbing indeed.

  • mhaga.sabe - 2011-04-18 08:24

    Let me thank AfriForum and all her crazy supporters for popularising both Malema and the ANC thru this court case, especially during this elections time! Most people, even those who were begining to forget their fredom songs have now been revived! Most black people now want to sing their liberation songs as part of their culture and heritage! The ANC is going to win these elections despite all these sponsored court and street protests. Those who hate Malema and the ANC will have to swallow their pride. "If you cant bit them join them, join the ANC" otherwise you will be sick to your grave!

      Dan Grey - 2011-04-18 09:14

      It is not about winning the elections. It is about the whites waking up and realizing that their own government hates them. Once this wake up happens beware the mass action. Whites will strike some day soon.....mark my words. We are good enough to pay taxes, but that seems to be all. In every other sphere we are marginalized. We are not even allowed our own Afrikaans schools as this is seen as racism. This goes against the constitution.

      Whoosa - 2011-04-18 09:21

      I hate to admit it mhaga, but you are spot on! You sound like a properly eucated man( despite the fact that you support the anc) But tell me one thing, and this a straight forward question, no racial intensions, just an honest qeustion. "Do you realy think that the anc and the way they operate( crime,corrupsion,tenderpreneership,disfunctional managemant etc etc the list goes on) is the way forward for this country and its people. Where do you see this country in 20 years time?? Cause i see something worse than zim, and my friend, SA's southern Border is the sea , no where to run to this time. Would love hear your view.....

      JackMeoff - 2011-04-18 10:32

      @MHAGA.SABE - "IF YOU CAN'T BIT THEM JOIN THEM " Oh dear, is your ANC govt starving you too you racist little cannibal ? Seems you also dropped out of school with a STD 2 education....you thinking of vying for presidency too?

      Realist - 2011-04-18 11:56

      mhaga.sabe. I do not support, respect or vote for the ANC! I am happy, my life is full of opportunities, my children go the extremely expensive private schools as I am preparing them for a future outside of SA, my health is good, I have 3 paid for properties, a business and what can I say, I will NEVER GO THE GRAVE SICK because I did not support the ANC. I AM EDUCATED! I AM ALSO NOT WHITE! VIVA DA, IT IS THE WAY TO GO, THE DA IS GOING TO BE A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH! Watch this space and you will be the one who will be sick!

  • Realist - 2011-04-18 08:26

    Let us all just hope that the BIG GUNS can at least explain the true meaning/translation of iBhunu. We are not all stupid! The Readers Digest "Multi Language Dictionary" states very clearly the following: System = ihlelo Africaner = iBhunu Shoot = dubula THUS "awudubhule ibhunu" means "Shoot the AFRICANER" period. So why all the ANC okes evading answering what is the documented correct translations? This is very disturbing indeed.

  • gizzy - 2011-04-18 08:35

    Big guns? Hahahahaha!!!!! Empty vessels more like it!

  • skulldude70 - 2011-04-18 08:39

    Juli-ass does not need the "Big Guns". He already has one , it is called his mouth.........

  • Me again@24.com - 2011-04-18 08:41

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      Me again@24.com - 2011-04-18 08:42

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      Smaal - 2011-04-18 08:55

      Just goes to show that black people all over the world “demands” everything and runs around shouting that they are the victims. Nothing new there but they should change their slogan from “Power to the People” to “Power to the black people”. Truth be told, eventually they will rule this planet. European nations will rue the day they let Africans into their countries.

  • Andre Gross - 2011-04-18 08:41

    I want a South Africa that is free and fair for all! You should too!

      Dan Grey - 2011-04-18 09:15

      Not goiing to happen in a country where their is an ongoing stuggle by the vast majority and this struggle they have is against their own limitations that prevent them from becoming educated.

  • Smaal - 2011-04-18 08:45

    I watched about 2 hours of this on TV. Two hours of my life wasted. It was a not a total loss. I learnt that I will never employ a black lawyer (Don’t know if anyone picked up what I picked up and they are the “best of the best”) and if a black man who thinks he is white is called a coconut what is a white guy called that thinks he is black: A coco-not? If a few whites sings “One bullet, one black infant” and a few months down the line some white guy executed a two year old black girl, can you imagine what will happen? We whites are too passive. We literally let them get away with murder!

      multicon - 2011-04-18 09:01

      I still believe that this is isolated to a minority revolutionary group, it is not the sentiment of most black South Africans. Ask around and you will be surprised. There is plenty of goodwill amongst black South Africans.

      JackMeoff - 2011-04-18 10:37

      @SMAAL - We aren't too passive...we are just educated to first world ideology. These ANC gooks and their delinquent racist herd are uneducated in the subjects of COMMON SENSE and CULTURE. Sorry to say, but apart from a mere handful of decent blacks with common sense and pride, 99% of the gooks running around in SA are the former.