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Booing and arguing at info bill sitting

2012-02-07 21:01

Bloemfontein - Booing and arguments with committee members over support for the Protection of State Information Bill marred the NCOP's public hearing on the bill in Mangaung on Tuesday.

A war of words erupted between African National Congress committee member Nosipho Ntwanambi and Free State Democratic Alliance leader Roy Jankielsohn after speakers in favour were cheered and those against were booed.

The public ignored repeated appeals by Ntwanambi, who chaired the meeting, not to boo, ululate, or cheer speakers.

She told them not to bring "political party concerns" into the public hearing on the bill.

Ntwanambi said speakers also had "no right" to raise concerns in the public hearing about the withholding of information on investigations in Free State municipalities.

This prompted Jankielsohn to tell Ntwanambi that the National Council of Provinces committee was not there to "debate or defend" the bill.

The two speakers then engaged in a war of words during which Jankielsohn was loudly booed and accused of being rude.

After calm was restored, Ntwanambi said the committee could not be quiet when "wrong allegations" had been made about the bill and she said "only the truth" would be allowed.

Earlier, a DA speaker wearing full party colours was booed by most in the hall.

ANC committee member Grace Boroto took issue with some of his comments, including his accusation that the committee had not read the document thoroughly enough.

To wild applause, Boroto said no one should tell the committee it had not read the bill, while he was the one who did not understand it.

The crowd reaction ended when there were fewer people who spoke out against the bill.

Many speakers gave their full support to the bill, which was described as a "beautiful document" by a Botshabelo businessman.

Most, such as Thembeni Nxangisa, openly declared their ANC membership before declaring their support for the bill.

Nxangisa also wanted the bill to protect identification documents and cellphone accounts.

Welkom resident Samuel Sekhosana said the bill was needed because he had never seen a country without a security bill.

He urged the committee to finalise the bill before state information ended up in the wrong hands and South Africa had its own "9/11 incident".

Mangaung ANC Women's League member Zinn Simpson said the government should hold workshops in communities to explain the bill, which she said many did not understand.

Like many other speakers, Simpson could not understand why the media was against the bill, because no mention was made of the media.

"This is no tool to hide things," she said.

Another ANCWL member said she would support the bill even if it meant she had to go to jail.

The NCOP ad hoc committee dealing with the bill is holding public hearings in all nine provinces.

Comments
  • mike.clery - 2012-02-07 21:17

    Yep. Cut off your nose to spite your face ......

      Cracker - 2012-02-07 21:26

      So true.

      Fanie Verwey - 2012-02-07 22:06

      Clearly, the African National Corruption in the Free State has a lot of skeletons in their closet that need this protection bill urgently.

  • Geronimo - 2012-02-07 21:24

    *sigh* we have such a juvenile democracy in this country thanks to the masses of blind sheeple. Many follow the ANC unquestioningly, as though they owe the party a lifetime debt of votes for delivering them freedom. I look forward to the day when the South African electorate will adopt a mature and objective approach to the issues.

  • pirba - 2012-02-07 21:28

    Speechless, enough said...

      piet.strydom - 2012-02-08 01:11

      Soon they will be too....

  • Cracker - 2012-02-07 21:34

    The info bill and other secrecy laws - including the attempted regulation of the media to identify sources - should not even be an issue in a democratic society. The people who do follow the news know what the motivation is. We are of course seeing the recreating of a new National Party State. People will vote for a particular political party for many different reasons. To argue that they specifically vote for a political party to take away the free flow of information is dishonest. The ANC must stop its lies.

  • mundu.olewega - 2012-02-07 21:48

    A bussed in crowd to support a corrupt government. They will get what they wish for and be very sorry about it.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 22:23

      There is a Afrikaans saying "dom bly dom"

  • Carlton Bana - 2012-02-07 22:04

    Lets face it the only reason the ANC is in charge is because the vast majority of people, 2/3 infact did not resieve proper education, hence the only diffence between a "Loon" and the electorate is that they arent in an assylim. Sorry for the grammer Obe baby.

  • Carlton Bana - 2012-02-07 22:04

    Lets face it the only reason the ANC is in charge is because the vast majority of people, 2/3 infact did not resieve proper education, hence the only diffence between a "Loon" and the electorate is that they arent in an assylim. Sorry for the grammer Obe baby.

  • Carlton Bana - 2012-02-07 22:05

    Lets face it the only reason the ANC is in charge is because the vast majority of people, 2/3 infact did not resieve proper education, hence the only diffence between a "Loon" and the electorate is that they arent in an assylim. Sorry for the grammer Obe baby.

      Fanie Verwey - 2012-02-07 22:20

      No surprises here. The greater tragedy is essentially the FACT that the only way for them (ANC) to stay in charge is to maintain the upper percentage level of these uneducated masses - hence the total demise of our non-existant educational system to serve their purpose.

      sosm1 - 2012-02-08 07:03

      @Carlton, let me rephrase your first sentence: "Lets face it the only reason the ANC is in charge is because the vast majority of people, 2/3 infact did not resieve proper education"...from previous Apartheid government

  • Elton - 2012-02-07 22:09

    ANC = NP

  • Herman - 2012-02-07 22:11

    Proof yet againthat One Man (idiot) - One Vote is the worst thing to happen to SA

  • ivan.coetzee2 - 2012-02-07 22:13

    Flip they are STOOOPID these, whateva you call them???? They dont even understand enough to know they are quite literally FORNICATING themselves, what sheep. U get the service delivery you vote for sheeple

  • Jymiro - 2012-02-07 22:27

    I beg to differ with someof the sentiments that are expressed here. I belief in the independence of the media but we all know that if the media remain not accountable to the society instead it want to develop policy and influence the society, we will be flucked. This what this is all about not more than corruption. The media can still report on any form of corruption, even on classified information if it get a court order. And I believe in our courts. The media does trust this government and it instigate society to do so as well and on the either side the government does not trust the media and they ant to influence society to do so. The worse of this is the division is on political lines with whites ad the media supporting the DA and the blacks and government supporting the ANC. Be your own judge. No media can be given a free ruin in any country and society because they always push certain agendas

      Alfred - 2012-02-08 01:11

      Sorry Jymiro, I may agree with you as far as the necessity for objective and accountable journalism goes but did you honestly manage to type the rest of that with a straight face? Nobody, and I do mean NOBODY of sound mind over the age of 12 who has been in SA for longer than 2 weeks could possibly trust this piss poor excuse of a government. Everything they touch becomes a crime scene and I think I speak for the entire bloody country (even the ululating fools at this meeting who are too stupid to know any better) when I say that we've all had enough. But here's a novel idea that could have possibly avoided this whole situation in the first place: If the ANC are so tired of the media writing stories about their incompetence, blatant criminal tendencies, complete lack of transparency and scandalous inability to tell the truth then maybe, just maybe they should get their s**t together and start doing what WE pay them to do so the media wouldn't have to constantly update us on their latest screwups instead of using our constitution as toilet paper and taking us 30 years backwards.

  • Lindiwe Skosana - 2012-02-07 22:39

    Oh dear, it suits the ANC just fine that the majority of blacks be uneducated.

      Alfred - 2012-02-08 01:14

      True Lindiwe, but I think for once this isn't a race issue. We're all getting shafted equally this time.

  • Alfred - 2012-02-08 00:53

    Just get someone with more than two braincells to walk in wearing an ANC Tshirt and tell these criminally idiotic gibbons that the ANC says that anyone supporting this evil bill will be haunted by their ancestors and sodomised by the tokoloshe.

  • annie.kalahari - 2012-02-08 11:06

    The usual "Democracy" ANC-style then: just drown them out when you don't want to hear them...

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