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Calm down, dismissive ANC tells Tutu

2011-10-04 22:10

Johannesburg - Archbishop Desmond Tutu's attack on the ANC is unfortunate as he is saying things that he knows deep down are untrue, the ANC said on Tuesday.

"It is very unfortunate that [Tutu] before even hearing government's side decided to attack the government and the ANC," said party spokesperson Jackson Mthembu.

"In his anger he decided to be economical with the truth."

He pleaded for Tutu to "please calm down".

Earlier on Tuesday, reacting to the government's "failure" to grant Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama a visa to visit the country, Tutu said South Africans would pray for the downfall of the ANC.

"We will pray as we prayed for the downfall of the apartheid government. We will pray for the downfall of a government that misrepresents us," Tutu shouted at a news briefing in Cape Town.

Mthembu said very few would pray for the demise of the ANC.

"The Archbishop should know deep in his heart that the ANC is doing its best, therefore very few in the religious community will pray for the demise of the ANC," he said.

Tutu said, "The Nationalists had a huge majority. They ate dust," while shaking his finger.

He said the ANC had a large majority, but so did former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak and former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, both of whom were overthrown in popular uprisings.

"Mubarak had a large majority. Gaddafi had a large majority. Watch out. I am warning you. Watch out."

However, Mthembu said it was incorrect to liken South Africa to the government in Egypt, and that the ANC government and the apartheid government could be equated, he said.

"They are not the same and to say ANC has gone worse...The Bishop knows that's a total untruth".

"[Tutu] has said all those things because he is angry and he is emotional."

"When angry, one is likely to make serious mistakes with utterances... We are not micro-managing government. The issue of the Dalai Lama was not even discussed in our structures."

Mthembu called on the department of international relations to take South Africans into its confidence on the issue around the Dalai Lama, by revealing what transpired so that everyone could be on the same page.

"The South African government has not responded to his withdrawal of his application," he said.

"We therefore request South Africans to hold their breath and calm down until we get a response from the government. It's logical and makes common sense that we don't jump the gun."

Comments
  • cameronrh1 - 2011-10-04 22:19

    "They are not the same and to say ANC has gone worse...The Bishop knows that's a total untruth". This be true... They reached a whole new level.

      Richard - 2011-10-04 22:36

      assuming the ANC can get worse? Anyway, I'm sure many SA's have been praying for the demise of the ANC for some time now... No luck as of yet :(

      Sammy - 2011-10-05 07:26

      @kolobe It's because of this "drama queen" and many like him that you have a computer u ignorant SOB.

      GetitRight - 2011-10-05 20:31

      See what you have done now Archbishop Tutu...you have started praying and now Malema has fallen ill. Eishhh...my Bishop...you have a direct line to the man upstairs...PLEASE keep praying.

      Louis Erasmus - 2011-10-05 22:48

      Of course the ANC is worse! At lease one knew where one stood with the old regime. The ANC is evasive, aloof and arraogent! Power corrupts! They have forgotten their mandate to the South African People and only seek to line their pockets through tenders and corrupt political relationships. That is why they act as though we are a Chinese colony and in some ways we are! They are selling this country out from under our feet.

  • slg - 2011-10-04 22:19

    Desmond is being true to his principles. For this he should be respected. He is a man of character.

      blacksonly - 2011-10-04 23:18

      @axiom, u such a joke. true though, only whites could vote. i am sure tutu was refering to voting exactly, they ate dust.

      Yar - 2011-10-05 06:15

      @axiom I guess what the arch has noticed, but you don't understand, is that today nobody's vote counts for anything.

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 07:12

      I don't think you need to smoke anything, Axiom. You're high enough already.

      George - 2011-10-05 09:24

      I think Desmond has never liked this gvt. Right from the start he had said he would never vote for Zuma. Thats his right. Its also within the gvt's right not to grant his guru friend a visa. Our interest as a country are with China, not with some guru who wants to come and do a get down with the Arch!

      DW - 2011-10-05 10:19

      Now George imagine if the international community had that same opinion when the apartheid government was at the helm. They had massive investment in this country and many, many companies pulled out to put pressure on the country. They could have just said that they werent interested in siding with some "freedom fighters" who wanted to do a get down with them in London or New York. Why were human rights abuses so important then (when it was perpetrated against them) but now they are unimportant? I'll tell you why - because now they benefit from massive contracts from China and human rights abuses be f*cked. Who cares? They are making money from kickbacks etc. The fact that these cheap imports from China are actually robbing our population of jobs is irrelevant too. We have now been colonised again - just this time by China. They dictate our policies.

      George - 2011-10-05 15:33

      I put Desmond in the same League as Mugabe- an old man who has outlived his usefulness, doesnt understand the current world order and should follow the good example of Tata-retire quietely on a farm and enjoy his old age!

      ANC-FTL - 2011-10-05 16:54

      George - to me you dont understand either.

      Denise - 2011-10-05 17:30

      HERE'S A HINT - For some time now it has been clear that the ANC has been running the best election campaign that money can buy compared to the other political parties... Much of the ANC's massive & overwhelming expenditure on the last election campaign originated from China. The Chinese Communist Party heavily subsidised & financed the ANC's 2009 election campaign. One result has been the serial neglect by the ANC government of SA's national interests in foreign policy (not to mention human rights considerations) as its first priority has always been to repay its main funders with favours. Over the past 17 years the ANC has been in hock to the regimes of Nigeria, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Libya, China & Taiwan. Zuma has successfully been using his visits overseas to do some fund raising on the side. This may already be compromising the ability of SA to pursue its own interests, free of external interference. If the Chinese Communist Party did help to pay for the ANC's 2009 election campaign - the obvious question is whether this underpinned the government's otherwise inexplicable decision to ban Tibet's Dalai Lama from entering the country?

      Ohmikehunt - 2011-10-05 21:57

      @slg - yea brings to mind the lyrics of an old song "I am the one and only..."

  • The Wonderer - 2011-10-04 22:20

    "We therefore request South Africans to hold their breath and calm down until we get a response from the government. It's logical and makes common sense that we don't jump the gun." SORRY WHAT????!!!?? I won't hold my breath until the ANC finally decide to act on ANYTHING, I'll be 6 feet under by that time. They HAD 3 months!!! I think we ALL need to pray with Tutu on this one...

      Sir.Matthew.Jr - 2011-10-04 22:40

      We're still waiting for them to respond\act on the issue of the police lease, Sicelo Shiceka issues etc amongst other pending issue. I swear S.A has no president and trust me Tutu won't have pray that hard cos I aint voting for them any more....!

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-10-04 23:40

      Exactly Wonderer and Matthew... I mean why is he even telling Tutu to calm down if he himself has no answers... First go do your homework, THEN address the media. Regarding this we ALL KNOW the truth, they just don't want to admit to it and they won't. @Sir.. Yes... Absolutely ZERO leadership... Zuma gets paid to appear

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-10-05 04:45

      CHINA took control of South Africa, the day Jacob "The DANCING FOOL" Zuma took over as their PUPPET PRESIDENT! Mothlanthe was ORDERED TO CHINA, under the disguise of a "TRADE MISSION"!!!

      Yar - 2011-10-05 06:27

      Most people ignore the fact that in 1950, Communist China simply invaded Tibet. It isn't necessary to defend South Africa against the Chinese, the African Nationalist Communists are simply going to give our country away.

      PomegranatePip - 2011-10-05 12:46

      Better have big lungs - it takes these twits a while to apply their minds to complicated stuff like this!

  • Rowen - 2011-10-04 22:26

    ANC nothing yet!

      silvi1 - 2011-10-05 07:37

      LOL

      Darwinian - 2011-10-05 11:29

      epic!!

  • twattums - 2011-10-04 22:27

    Why should he calm down? He's a very wise man, maybe it's time the ANC and their cronies start listening to someone like him!

      David - 2011-10-05 23:44

      The ANC/government wuld be naive to listen to such an idiot. He was very wise but because of age he is an ass-hole.

      Jo - 2011-10-06 15:49

      Interesting - not only are the new ANC racist, but now they're also age-ist, David? I thought the world had run out of things to hate, but when you start hating people because they have successfully lived long lives, you truly have become a fool.

  • BB - 2011-10-04 22:28

    Are these fools serious, untruth, hear the side of this lying corrupt government, Arms Deal, endless promises of service delivery and increasing sevice delivery protests...and this fool tells one of the last true struggle icons to calm down. AG SIES

  • majents.majida - 2011-10-04 22:28

    Zim will enjoy to watch this fiasco n jus 2 years time watch, n' lean watch n' lean

  • Janine - 2011-10-04 22:28

    How arrogant and condescending of the ANC - they do not enjoy it when people speak the truth. Go Arch!

  • dekkeranton - 2011-10-04 22:30

    A 80 year old Anglican priest invites an 79 year old Buddhist monk to his birthday party, but the political party build on the philosophy of freedom, refuse him a visa, because of pressure from a communist regime, with the worst human rights record on the planet. No, it is not a futuristic Hollywood movie plot. Welcome to South Africa!

      chrwl007 - 2011-10-04 23:36

      I really hope James Bond can swing by and save the day. Even Lassie's help will be appreciated right now.

      Jeff - 2011-10-05 01:16

      Spot on...

      NewsHoundMe - 2011-10-05 06:58

      @ chrwl007 James Bond is coming, but not to an ANC led municipality, clever guy!

      ANC-FTL - 2011-10-05 16:57

      dekker 100% - you have to be a total moron or a selfish racist tosser to support the ANC

  • Vince - 2011-10-04 22:30

    ANC !!! "The times they are a changing"

  • alice.pretorius - 2011-10-04 22:30

    .... and we will all pray

      Ci-Log - 2011-10-04 22:51

      Amen!!

      IsThatAFact - 2011-10-05 06:23

      We are praying or should be Do It Now...

      Janine - 2011-10-05 08:42

      I'm an agnostic but I'll pray this time!

  • BryanJhb - 2011-10-04 22:32

    They diddled daddled for so long! I applied for a passport for my son and it took less than 2 weeks to get it. When I applied for a USA visa it took about a week? Why more than 3 months for the Dalai Lama? A man of his stature should not even have to apply for a visas! Would the Queen or British PM have to or the Pope or the head of the IMF?

      Vlooi - 2011-10-04 23:12

      The same ANC that were happy to waste R200 000 on a chartered flight just because some women who nobody knows refused to let custom officials scan her handbag.

  • Chris - 2011-10-04 22:34

    Typical ANC arrogance. I'm not sure which is worse: the poor judgement and sheer ineptitude to leave the matter of a foreign visitor of significant international stature to some clerk in Pretoria or LYING about it as Tokyo did on ETV -he spoke as if the cabinet did not know about this issue. Is he deaf dumb and blind? Incompetence and arrogance, they will lose power.

  • Flash - 2011-10-04 22:35

    Tutu should have rather invited Gadaffi or Mugabe, their visas would have been approved immediately. I can't wait to see how the ANC spin doctors this stuff up.

      York Hunt - 2011-10-05 07:55

      Hilarious!

      Taurus 11 - 2011-10-05 08:00

      The All Now Chinese (ANC) would have sponsored those swines

  • proudandpink - 2011-10-04 22:36

    The sooner the ANC sees it's @hole the better it will be for SA and all of it's citizens. Vile, repulsive bunch of corrupt thieves. I'd rather die than EVER vote for them.

  • Neilson - 2011-10-04 22:36

    Why didn't I think about that! I should stop only praying for a better SA, and start praying for the downfall of the ANC as well. Its kind of the same thing, but results will be easier to observe.

  • Chris - 2011-10-04 22:37

    PS: ..... and they did not even have the courage to refuse the Dalai Lama's request, they just delayed until the application was withdrawn. COWARDS!!

      blacksonly - 2011-10-04 23:21

      its called political correctness. get it bro.

      Chris - 2011-10-05 09:51

      ... and today Motlanthe says the government "would have granted a visa if the application was not withdrawn". i.e. leaving less time than that of the flight to SA. Does he think we are stupid? LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR!!

  • settled - 2011-10-04 22:37

    The Anc is embarassed!! They had 3months and thought to leave it to the very last minute..Just shows how bad their administration is.. Maybe they are spending 90% of their working day shopping and having lavish lunches etc..while they are SUPPOSE to be serving S.A. Gosh I would still like to see a journalist snapping away pics of them not doing their jobs!! That should be interesting..I am very sure those who voted for them should be questioning their decisions as all the ANC was good for is very bad publicity since the election and here the poor in their province are still battling to get service delivery..SIES MAN!!

  • njabulom - 2011-10-04 22:38

    We've got bigger issues in South Africa to be bickering about someone who wants to come for a birthday party, really people,...must we always be at each other's throat even for such lame issues.

      erno.v.dyk - 2011-10-04 22:49

      Then why should this particular Visa be a problem Njabulom? Our minister of SECURITY's 'EX'-wife has done far more harm to SA than a visit from the Lama. Take care of the small things and the bigger things will take care of themselves!

      gatvol4corru - 2011-10-04 22:53

      get back into your hole comrade. You have lost the plot

      Hlangi - 2011-10-04 23:06

      If it's lame, why such a fuss about giving the Dalai Lama the VISA?

      THE-SRG - 2011-10-04 23:24

      im sorry but there is a whole lot more behind it than a party as you put it...if you cannot see past your nose then just dont say anything,open your eyes and brain my friend

      Purplehaze - 2011-10-04 23:26

      Not so lame at all, bro. The issue at stake here is the Constitution itself, our political leaders' patent dishonesty and the moral ground upon which we as a nation stand. I'm afraid our goose is cooked, or rather, the one that laid the golden eggs has finally had its throat cut.

      chrwl007 - 2011-10-04 23:39

      njabulom, the problem here is that another country is dictating to us who we may and may not have as visitors. Last time I checked we were a sovereign state, but if you want to hand SA to the Chinese on a silver platter and let them plunder our natural resources and take our jobs, be my guest and support the ANC's inaction regarding this matter.

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 07:14

      watch and "LEAN", majents?

      Chris - 2011-10-05 10:05

      The issue is that our rights (yours and mine) under the constitution are being ignored, DESTROYED by the government's contempt for the citizens. We are just voting fodder for them. They do not understand civil rights. A VERY SERIOU warning to all South Africans: the ANC are fine and dandy while their position is secure, but when they come under real pressure, our rights will go out the window in their ALL OUT holding onto power. Watch Zuma righjt now: Malema (who I despise) is being attacked by the party, SARS and the Public Protector to neutralise him before the elective conference; Cele will go, he is reported to not support Zuma; The security guys who would not be used for party purposes are being targeted; now watch Sexwale, before long he will be neutralised. It is called "big man" politics and is the model used throughout Africa: Banda, Moi, Sese Seko, Mugabe. I used to vote ANC, but now I see their undemocratic practices I am worried. The democrats who delayed the cencorship law in the ANC caucus are dying out and the undemocratic wing who use the party for their own enrichment are a serious threat.

      Ulindi - 2011-10-05 10:08

      Are you thinking with your brain? Take your foggy glasses off, perhaps then you will see the bigger picture - this IS a big issue Njabulom, with serious implications. I hope they blow this up so big!!!

      Stof Donkie - 2011-10-05 10:54

      PLEASE TRY TO SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE!!

      mtzulu1 - 2011-10-05 11:19

      well said Njabulo. is the Dalai Lama God.? neither nor Tutu. how important is the Party to an odinery poor SAfrican. the money he wants to use at the Party must be given to the poor. Jesus said to the rich young ruler go and sell everything and give to the poor. i ges thats what the Arch should do rather than going to throw a bash when more people are hungry. Practise what you Preach Mr Arch

      Hayek_rules - 2011-10-05 15:47

      It just goes to show the blatant corrupt character of the ANC regime. The Chinese have bought them all. LET ME SPELL IT OUT: THEY HAVE BEEN BRIBED.

      grimbie1 - 2011-10-05 16:18

      Dude theres a tornado and people in sa manage to find racism in that. Theres a shark attack and people find racism in that. There surely are many bigger things to deal with but ubill the governing party see that and take responsability for that things will never change or be dealt with.

  • joshreader - 2011-10-04 22:40

    "The issue of the Dalai Lama was not even discussed in our structures." Exactly, and that's precisely the problem. NOTHING is discussed anymore. Capital, cronyism and corruption decide everything. Democracy is not dead, but it is being discombobulated, assaulted, taken apart piece by piece. Those who believe they have a say, or that the government cares how they feel or what they want, are seriously deluded.

  • erno.v.dyk - 2011-10-04 22:43

    As much as I dislike the false prophet called Tutu, I have to agree with his sentiment. Before long people will pray for the demise of the ANC, and soon after plebians will take over our 'organised society' in favour of what they know best namely hooliganism and African terrorism (Strikes)! Nothing new, even the most liberals knew this would happen. Africa to Africa and pigs to the slaughter.

      Karoobloed - 2011-10-05 01:10

      How dare you call Mr. Tutu a false prophet? P@eph@ol.

      AZB - 2011-10-05 07:47

      Ish, false prophet? Is it just because he is black and therefore not seen as "human" by you?

      Bored - 2011-10-05 10:02

      @karoobloed, @AZB A prophet is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the devine , and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people. (Wikipedia.org). I have not once heard anything spoken by Tutu to indicate that he is a prophet, thus he is a 'false prophet'. @AZB skin colour has got nothing to do with bein a prophet or not. Get your facts right, and stop being a racist p**s!

  • Piet Opperman - 2011-10-04 22:47

    Jackson needs to relearn that one should show respect to your elders and betters, and to open your ears when they criticise and reprimand you. That is part of African culture and ubuntu.

  • moby.quest - 2011-10-04 22:47

    If anyone is in a position to comment on the well being of the country and the position of the ANC, its the Archbishop himself. What a major role he played during the struggle years. He pretty much created the ANC along with the likes of Madiba etc. Is it not clear that the current ANC has gone astray from that which it stood for initially? Can we not see how the current government is always making news headlines for all the wrong reasons? Most of the nincompoops in the ANC camp have no morals and dont care about the foundation which Madiba, Tutu and Co laid down. Its all about greed, money and power now and not about freedom and liberation. And pretty soon we'll end up like Zim and after that like Egypt & Lybia. Its just a matter of time before the majority of the population start seeing clearly. And that will be the demise of the ANC. Without the "people", the ANC cannot survive.

      CAIRO - 2011-10-05 07:04

      you are really stupid by the mere fact you only know about Tutu and Mandela whilst Tambo and luthuli Sol platjie were the pillars of the ANC.

  • vic levine - 2011-10-04 22:48

    Something to laugh about... Zuma: ey Gwede mfowethu so shud we issue uDali Tambo that visa? Gwede: haaibo Msholozi ndoda, its Dali Lama, not Tambo Zuma: watever man, so wat do we do? Gwede: the minister of sports in china says if we allow uDali entry, they'll send Jet Li to discipline us nge karate yabo, and mina I don't wanna end up looking like dat guy *Gwede pointing at Jackson Mthembu* ... Zuma: eish, nami ndoda phela I wanna go to Mangaung with a full set of teeth *Stolen status* WHAT A DILEMMA

      blacksonly - 2011-10-04 23:25

      hahahahaha "pointing at Jackson Mthembu" he really looks like he's been in an infight with jet lee, HAHAHAHAHAHAH

      Parko - 2011-10-05 09:54

      Jackson Mthembu, toothless AND spineless .....

  • vic levine - 2011-10-04 22:48

    Something to laugh about... Zuma: ey Gwede mfowethu so shud we issue uDali Tambo that visa? Gwede: haaibo Msholozi ndoda, its Dali Lama, not Tambo Zuma: watever man, so wat do we do? Gwede: the minister of sports in china says if we allow uDali entry, they'll send Jet Li to discipline us nge karate yabo, and mina I don't wanna end up looking like dat guy *Gwede pointing at Jackson Mthembu* ... Zuma: eish, nami ndoda phela I wanna go to Mangaung with a full set of teeth *Stolen status* WHAT A DILEMMA

  • ubuntupunk - 2011-10-04 22:49

    The ANC is the oppressor.

  • TamaraSays - 2011-10-04 22:50

    Actually, millions are already praying for the downfall of the ANC. Those who are white, and who are targeted by the racist ANC. Those who are poor, and still live in shacks because money has been stolen by the corrupt ANC. Those who can see we are heading for disaster, and who blame the visionless, inept ANC. There are plenty of people who want the future we were promised, and the ANC is not delivering. God help them when they stop buying votes, because they've stolen everything.

      Che - 2011-10-05 16:39

      "Actually, millions are already praying for the downfall of the ANC." ever heard of projection???

      TamaraSays - 2011-10-06 00:10

      Ever heard of observation?

  • Peter - 2011-10-04 22:52

    Hmmm. Perhaps the ANC should grow up, find a bit of moral fibre, and remember that the world stood up for them. Instead of reciprocating the ANC shows an uncanny ability to support the "baddies". Viz: Zimbabwe, Tibet, Libya, Egypt, Burma etc. Have they lost their moral compass, always putting self interest and bribes before human rights?

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-10-04 22:58

    ANC=izibhanxa!

  • OuWitBooi - 2011-10-04 22:58

    Hey Jackson - drunk again? It's time to lay off the juice and try to see reality.

  • EXQSME - 2011-10-04 23:03

    Whew this is one hellava quick reaction from the ANC???

      Axiom - 2011-10-04 23:11

      It was a joint press conference. They left together, shared a chuckle and then a Bell's.

      Vlooi - 2011-10-04 23:16

      Some Chinese official wrote the speach

      A1 - 2011-10-04 23:26

      ANC Running scared

      chrwl007 - 2011-10-04 23:42

      @Axiom. It sure was - I can still see the smoke coming from their offices. That might explain the s**t they talk.

  • Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-10-04 23:04

    Immm, they have a few years left... By that time we won't need change (here) anymore because the UN and the global community would've granted us our own country (homeland) as promised in the constitution - free from of this idiocracy where we can live in peace and freedom, where our own culture is preserved, and we won’t be forced to live under a system that seeks to demonise our heritage, by trying (but failing) to replace it with their lying deceitful hybrid “culture.” A twenty year old (nothing more) culture based on twisted truth and lies. Then [we] can at last be hopeful for the future, while the rest of (the remaining integrative) SA will look to Malema to produce their food on his farm.

  • ChiefJustice - 2011-10-04 23:07

    Mthembu is close to putting his foot in his mouth when he trying to hide the fact that the ANC had not even had a chat about the Dalai Lama. Two,Two,Two months awaiting a visa that is disgusting. They were HOPING the DALAI LAMA pass-on before TUTU 80th Birthday.

  • Jonas_Barbar - 2011-10-04 23:10

    "hold your breath". thought about it and decided against it

      Janine - 2011-10-05 08:45

      You don't want to end up looking like a smurf!

  • Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-10-04 23:17

    This is most certainly NOT the "ANC doing its best". We have seen much better from previous leaders. Waiting for a "response from government" has proven to be a fool's mission. The Archbishop is a man who enjoys laughter and happiness, so to see him this enraged is a profound indictment of the arrogance and utter contemptibility of the ANC conduct. The Archbishop is often controversial, but he is seldom wrong. I believe his anger is justified. I feel it too.

  • v3 - 2011-10-04 23:20

    Jackson Mthembu has the cheek to call Tutu a liar! The ANC has become even more despicable than the apartheid regime

  • Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-10-04 23:20

    Tutu - I thought you backed the Rainbow Nation ideology. Let’s build a nice little rainbow, a black one. Only one colour. Add some colours in the rainbow give it a rainbow flavour, by allowing them to produce the cANCer's salaries, and then blaming them for the darkness of the state of the rainbow. Then tell them the rainbow is for all to gaze upon, but the basket of gold at the end is only for the cANCer-elite, because they represent the black rainbow, being that centre part, the one where a dash of gold springs forth at the expense of the rest of the black stripe, and blaming the tax-payer that the basket at the end of the rainbow is depleted. Soon that black strip grows larger and the dash of gold and silver in-between thinner and smaller in comparison. Then once the other colours have left, blame the rainbows across the seas and ocean for stealing the other strips (their demonised tax/salary payers) of their so-called rainbow, and demand compensation for decolonizing their depleted rainbow basket.

      Annom - 2011-10-05 05:40

      Decolonizing. I like that. Your analogy of the "rainbow nation" is very representative of the attitudes of the ANC, the issues at hand and the coming future of South Africa. The question has to be asked how long until South Africa will reach the pivotal point in your prediction when South Africa is known as Zimbabwe take 2 to the world and the now corrupt leadership point a finger with one hand the west while simultaneously holding a begging bowl with the other to the UN. Make no mistake this day is coming, and by the looks of things sooner rather than later... A very sad realization indeed. I weep for my mother country even though I am no longer apart of it.

  • desmond.nair - 2011-10-04 23:20

    The ANC led government has just shown its true colour YELLOW!!!

  • za101 - 2011-10-04 23:22

    The ANC of today is not the same of the ANC of Nelson Mandela

      chrwl007 - 2011-10-04 23:43

      Sadly so

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-10-04 23:43

      It is exactly the same. It only took a while for them to manifest their true colour(s) / intentions. Two groups of observers exist (maybe three, but let’s exclude the third for now) - The first, knew the corrupt / deceitful ANC, and were hoping they were wrong. The second thought they were upright, and realised they were wrong and the first group where right. The observer in the second group is angry because they’ve been taken for a ride. Unfortunately that’s how the Good Lord allows life to work. The first group have been demonised and were forced to take the blame for all backwardness

      daaivark - 2011-10-05 07:15

      Tragically true.

  • A1 - 2011-10-04 23:30

    ANC How big and brave of you picking on an 80 year old. Bunch of cowards.

  • Afrocentia - 2011-10-04 23:32

    And where is your government Purplehaze, somewhere in Europe huh? You seem to be suffering from a serious identity crisis.

  • Totman - 2011-10-04 23:34

    Interesting to see that Jackson can now make a statement so quickly, but earlier he said he got nothing to say around the application. Why did he than not appeal for the department to reveal reasons, but now suddenly do it. Live is becoming a bitch when one's own dogs start biting you.

  • Deckard - 2011-10-04 23:41

    Hey Tutu..why were you not praying for their downfall when abortion was legalised?...come one..now that your buddy is not allowed to attend your party you are all chessed off. Either get off the fence and choose your side..but stop balancing on the wire.

  • A1 - 2011-10-04 23:55

    Insinuating that TuTu is overreacting, talking about the pot calling the kettle black. "You assaulted me with a few drops of whiskey, lets waste the tax payers money, by suing you." What a bunch of twats. ANC, your time has come, To say fair's fair, To pay the rent, To pay YOUR share, The time has come, A fact's a fact, It belongs to them, They'll take it back.

  • Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-10-05 00:04

    Come to think of it, I retract my statement… I won’t throw my pearls to the swine after this one. For most people God is represented in various shapes forms and sizes. That explain why Evangelization is not regarded as high priority. They are probably taught God has an identity crisis, and allows many various choices of roads to one entrance. Now with that in mind, I apologise for my (brainless) comment. It is irrelevant (to you.)

  • B A M - 2011-10-05 00:04

    The arrogant ANC has treated Tutu with such disrespect. There is no excuse for this sort of ruling arrogance. They show a brutal disregard and lack of caring for their own people. There is no moral courage or backbone, Tutu's warnings will only be ridiculed and South Africa will go down with the ANC as it has been over the last 18yrs.

  • Johan - 2011-10-05 00:06

    Please, please, please the ANC is not all bad. They do a lot of things well - for instance dance, sing, breed and enrich themselves.

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-10-05 00:15

      For a few words i wanted to blunder out something completely off-the-topic. But towards the end I was relieved that the comment was indeed representing the truth.

  • Tsametse Mohlamonyane - 2011-10-05 00:06

    Jackson, we are no retards if that is what you are thinking and so is Tutu. Failure of government is failure ANC, don't get twisted about the issue attending to by-facts. Dept of International relations is making mockery of our international good standing and you want us to calm while you drowning us with shame. You also must stop chronic defense attitude and own up to performance gaps

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-10-05 00:21

      Now this is a decent comment! I liked this part; "chronic defense attitude" Couldn’t have said it better! Maybe you should go and give them a lecture on taking ownership of bad decisions. That way they can actually focus on building a better SA for all, rather than shape-shifting the facts!

  • sphamandla - 2011-10-05 00:12

    guys,let us not lose sight of what just happened:an 80 year old man who sacrificed for our freedom has been denied a chance to spend his birthday wherever and with whatever friend by the liberation party he spoke for when they were considered terrorists;I fear if this could happen to someone like that,what about us?

      Samantha - 2011-10-05 07:36

      Exactly.

  • Nox - 2011-10-05 00:15

    The ANC government is correct for not granting the Dalail Lama visa;I mean we r to loose big time economicaly if he was going to come.most people are unemployed so we don't want to add people to the list by messing with China.

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-10-05 00:31

      Can you believe this? Have you thought about what you are saying? And still you don't realise the master-slave mentality is destroying SA. You are propagating not to cheese China "off" because we are to lose a bit of short-term cash. With this mentality your gains will be short-lived and your freedom temporary. Allowing slavery by choice does not remove the fact that it remains slavery... SA needs to break away from this thinking A.S.A.P. --- this is exactly why we are in this dark hole in the first place. Removing one “Master” who actually fought and died for SA, and replacing it for another who feels nothing for SA in general will not benefit us at all (in the long run.) If you want to have a beer with Adolph Hitler in a Rolls-Royce in a Gas-Chamber, don’t be amazed if you end up dead (in HIS Rolls-Royce.)

      frans.visserdsb - 2011-10-05 07:35

      Nox... Since JUJU started preaching nationalisation, we had a reduction of 70% in direct foreign investment. That is a lot more than China's investment in SA..Furthermore, the ANC's stubborn support of Ghaddafi (and Mugabe) in the UN security council cost us enormous support with the USA and Europe - who still outweighs our trade with China by a LONG way. So the economic impact argument holds no water...

      mtzulu1 - 2011-10-05 11:31

      Tutu must go and the money to the street kids under bridges, if he is a true Minister of God. Dalai Lama = to Dilema