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Cele is compromised - DA

2011-02-24 18:06

Pretoria - National Police Commissioner General Bheki Cele is making such a mockery of the constitution, the principles of accountability and transparency that he is "compromised and should resign", the DA said on Thursday.

Democratic Alliance spokesperson Dianne Kohler Barnard made the call shortly after Cele said he disputed the public protector's findings that he was involved in improper, unlawful conduct that amounted to maladministration.

"Commissioner Cele is too compromised to continue in his position and makes a mockery of our constitution and the principles of accountability and transparency," said Kohler Barnard.

"The president cannot remain silent on this matter any longer. He should dismiss him."

She said that while Cele said he respected the public protector, his stance was that "he can ignore that official's findings if he does not like them".

She said Cele should take responsibility for his actions and of those who acted on his behalf, including when he delegated authority.

Comments
  • Madelane - 2011-02-24 18:45

    A Minister in the British parliament committed an indiscretion by having an affair and when found out he immediately resigned so as not to undermine the parliamentary process. Our corrupt politicians however, no matter how compromised with evidence of fraud and corruption they are, merely tell the populace, in effect, that they are untouchable.

      Dave - 2011-02-24 20:44

      Madelane, as you know, there is no honour amongst theives

  • Marusi - 2011-02-24 18:47

    I agree that Cele should resign. But the gutter level of your comments are very much on par with the his scant regard for authority and rule of law

      aidhinwiyat - 2011-02-24 19:35

      Marusi, I hear your point but I think you are not underestimating how frustrated we are getting with the lack of due process that was followed. People are venting in the only way they know

      Felix - 2011-02-25 08:21

      So Marusi, you think having a little rant on the web is on par with blowing 500mil of taxpayers money then laughing in the face of the justice system? Shame

  • Allin - 2011-02-24 18:53

    Cele has proven that he can replace JZ as prez.

  • alain.bezuidenhout - 2011-02-24 19:05

    Such a shame. Cele come down from your high horse. Nobody is above the law. Where did you hide the 500 million? Come clean and do the honourable thing!

      Johan - 2011-02-24 19:36

      @ alain, you must be tired or something, you have used the words "honourable thing to do" and "Cele" (ANC)in the same sentence. That's like nailing jelly to the ceiling. :) Agreed, what a shame!

      Sande - 2011-02-25 10:12

      Alain!! are u sure he took that R500m? From what I heard he authorised the lease agreement but didn't take the money and the agreement was stopped

  • KaiinSA - 2011-02-24 19:26

    Why don't they just go the whole hog and replace him with Winnie?

      watalife - 2011-02-24 19:31

      Lets no fool ourselves its going to happen,The only problem with her she has no more smoke to add she killed her last stompie..............

  • Sir Richard - 2011-02-24 19:52

    general, what you did was bad say after me B - A - D

  • Hans-Erik Iken - 2011-02-24 21:09

    Ignoring the findings will not make them go away mr. Cele. You are NOT above the law.

      Dave - 2011-02-24 21:21

      Hans, i think we both know that unless Pres Zuma has a frontal lobotomy tomorrow, it will unfortunately just go away

  • Thouca - 2011-02-24 21:30

    @all the general bashers,....no guys, u are wrong on this one.......for 2 decades now most of us have been baying for the death penalty......the general has the balls and mandate and is in fact delivering what we have been crying for- hard criminal blood is flowing and he is contributing to a lower crime figure - fact- say whatever u like-.......we called for a hard man to step up and he has , not some penpushing administration rental fairy.......dept. of public works messed this one up and they should have stopped this debacle when it started in the first place, they must take the fall for this........the general is a hard man and he is paid to do one job only... i judge him by that job only and i am standing with this general ......i say.... "OOOIII....GIVE THAT MAN A BELLS"

      GhengisKhan - 2011-02-24 21:55

      There is a difference between having balls and getting caught with your hand in the cookie bar...

      Bill - 2011-02-24 22:00

      Sorry Thouca, he might be doing a bit for crime...and it is only a bit...not a lot! Either way, the top dog is responsible all the way down the line for his department. There is no excuses for this kind of misconduct! He was well aware of the implications in this deal, beforehand!.

      jef lebowski - 2011-02-25 09:39

      what are you talking about? He is one of the criminals.

      Sande - 2011-02-25 10:18

      Thouca at last we have someone who understand how these department works!! if Public works checked the building and say it worth the price after he told them the building was suitable for SAPS needs. Public Works responsibility to scrutinize those details.

  • Zakhele - 2011-02-25 07:52

    Fair enough buddy. I agree DA has made some great strides in the Western Cape. And your assessment and records cannot be disputed as you seem to tap into facts not just rhetoric. I applaud you for that. But here is me: I want the ANC to try mimic the DA in terms of service delivery and intolerance for corruption. Yes I do. But also hear this since you say you don't know what PBMR is: PBMR was a government project sponsored by Alec Erwin which ended up only benefiting only the white boys and girls. It may have been a good concept but it became a madness because contract were awarded to friends (white companies only) ....to cut the long story short...they blew R9 billion in 8 years. Another R5 bullion is required to dismantle the bloody lot... total cost will be R14 billion. This is the money that was gobbled by greedy and incompetent individuals: Therefore I am saying if Mama Zille or Diane Kohler doesn't tolerate corruption why doesn't she investigate this? Of course they know who squandered that money? On Construction: White owned companies (please, don’t make me name them?) have been colluding on tenders rigging and inflating prices to milk the government resources: Again, why doesn't Mama Zille and Diane Kohler investigate this especially considering the fact that we are talking hundreds of billion of Rands that are drawn by these corrupt DA aligned companies? You think the CEO's and the predominantly white boardrooms of these companies vote for ANC or DA? Do you really think Alec Erwin served the interests if the government of those of his fellow white people? Do you think Rob Davies and Ebrahim Patel are serving interests of government or are pushing the DA agendas? That’s what I call fighting silent wars and making a fool of the lazy ANC government. Somebody has to be brave enough to Jacob Zuma some magnifying glasses to really check his lieutenants! This is Zakhele umlomo ongathethi manga (the mouth that doesn’t lie). It is upto to the ANC to hire us to uncover the evils of the DA just as much as the DA hires knowledgeable people to unearth the evils of the ANC. I have a bucket load of DA people corruption….you dare challenge me! Take this comment and give to Hellen Zille and Daine Kohler I am ready to challenge them?

      tommy 2 - 2011-02-25 08:24

      Powerfull Dude.Always new Helen is iZiNYOGA. (SNAKE)

      pop101 - 2011-02-25 08:25

      The PBMR was sponsored by SA tax money, not Alec Erwin. I know of plenty black engineers (black, coloured, indian) that were trained to one day work in the PBMR - so, it benefited everybody. The biggest problem with the PBMR were the EIA for the demo model - supposed to be approved by your buddy, Mr. Kortbroek, and ANC member - not the contracts as you suggest. If you maybe suggest that only white companies got contracts, well in old SA we don't always have all the skills, and a lot of foreign companies were invited to tender. We can't help that foreign companies are mainly white (and no, they probably don't vote ANC, they are oversee and vote for their own party). In short, your PBMR argument is fubar. Also, Alec Erwin is an ANC member, not DA. Reveal your bucket of corrupt DA people please, and I'll give you a Olympic size swimming pool of corrupt ANC people.

      pop101 - 2011-02-25 08:26

      * over the sea

      Felix - 2011-02-25 08:30

      Zakhele, DA=!Carte Blanche. Their job is to be an opposition party and try keep the ANC on it's toes... not to run around investigating every bit of malpractice or misappropriation of funds. If you have evidence, as you have mentioned on numerous occations, then take it to the police, public prosecutor or the press. I doubt you're going to get much done whining on this forum.

      Zakhele - 2011-02-25 08:47

      I am going to ask again: Do these three men serve the interests of the government (hence the ANC)? Alec Erwin, Rob Davies and Ebrahim Patel. Or, are they just there to fool the ANC whilst serving the interests of the DA? Answer me Pop101? Felix: You not serious that I take this matter to the police? Since when is the ANC interested in unearthing the evils of the DA? You want me to loose my job? Don't you know that the ANC leadership suck up to a white man? Why do you think all the top brass are the beneficiaries of BEE? Isn't it that a super rich white man says, how much do you want for yourself and the ANC leader idiots run around saying I am a billionaire BEE? There is no hope with my ANC leaders buddy. Only thing we can hope for is that the system works itself out because believe me people will rebel and there will be chaos if things continue the way they are.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-02-25 08:59

      @Zakhele: Not one soul in the current National Government serves the interests of ANYONE, but themselves.......(White, Indian, Black is of no matter - their SOULS are all the same colour - the colour of SELF INTEREST.)

      pop101 - 2011-02-25 09:10

      "I am going to ask again: Do these three men serve the interests of the government (hence the ANC)? Alec Erwin, Rob Davies and Ebrahim Patel" Can't say Zakhele, they are ANC. If I'm assuming correctly, then you accuse them of being DA spies (double agents). Am I correct? If so, surely the ANC would be interested in your story, or take it anonymously to the papers. You can even make a bit of money, I'm sure Debra Patterson will buy your story - I double dare you. Zakhele, your ANC is not the ANC you and I used to know, and I can see that your eyes are open.

      mdubane04 - 2011-02-25 09:17

      Tell you one thing if there's any form of corruption the public protector is there to investigate any allegations the ANC is the ruling party I'm 100% sure they would have raised an alarm having said this all your allegations have no substance whatsoever.

      Zakhele - 2011-02-25 09:24

      @pop101- ''The biggest problem with the PBMR were the EIA for the demo model'' No Pop101! The biggest problem with the PBMR and your Construction companies is this irresistible edge to subbotage government programes so that we look bad. Do yourself favour: Find out where PBMR is now? Not in France exported by both ANC and DA? Where do these South African Construction companies bank and invest their money? Don't they 'statch' it somewhere overseas? On your second vernom: ''If you maybe suggest that only white companies got contracts, well in old SA we don't always have all the skills, and a lot of foreign companies were invited to tender'' Once again Pop101. Overseas and the so-called South African white companies drop the work at our desks anyway because they know we can do it. You see Pop101, at the real universities they teach us international engineering, contracts managements (your FIDIC, NEC, Safety Reports, Design for Safety) Project Management & Costing, etc and Finance using the very same books the Americans, Germans, French and Japanese use. The only difference is that whites continue speaking on our (blacks) behalf in RSA boardrooms saying there are no skills in the country like you've just done. The fact that the National Party government and the the now ANC governments did not invest money in world class R&D programmes and Research Centres and Laboratories has got nothing to do with you and me not being able to do our work. Where did you get you education my friend? Don't make your problem our problem Pop101- we have been to great schools and universities and don't speak on our behalf..

      Zakhele - 2011-02-25 09:41

      @mdubane04 - They know about these corruptions. They just don't know where to start and they don't have balls to change the laws that are very easy to manipulate. If you still argue with these facts then I am sorry you one of the lost sheeps, there is nothing we can do to bring you home my son. Good luck with abelungu bakho (that is if you are indeed an abused African like me).

  • danielgie - 2011-02-25 07:57

    It is sad but true , it is the actions of people like Cele , whose actions actually entrench the concept of another dumb black man . the police force has become his fiefdom eg sisulu and the defence force . this is now going to cost millions to remove him .... all the promises of liberation to the poor fades .

  • Zakhele - 2011-02-25 08:14

    I once that defending the ANC leadership is like catching your wife having sex with your neighbour in your own bed and bedroom. But in catching them you accuse your neighbour of seducing and tempting your wife even though your wife is jumping up and down with pleasure enjoying sex and even saying baby I am coming, I am coming , I am coming…… You see the DA and the ANC accuse each other in public but they are both (directly and indirectly) in bed when it comes to misappropriating the public funds. You and I are just the poor husband who is consumed by the hatred of the neighbour when both culprits are coming adultery.

      danielgie - 2011-02-25 08:23

      lol ..... I like this ..... good one .

      pop101 - 2011-02-25 08:39

      Only thing is Zakhele, the DA Municipalities in the Western Cape opened their books to an Independent Investigating Body (Auditor General)to investigate. All of their budgets were approved and money accounted for. How many ANC Municipalities could say the same?

      jouplesier - 2011-02-25 09:35

      blah, show some facts before showing your ignorance

      Sande - 2011-02-25 10:30

      @ Zaks I like I like @pop101, remember whites have mastered the skill of misappropriating funds robbing the public and get clean audits

      pop101 - 2011-02-25 10:59

      Sande, maybe you can explain your comment above: "whites have mastered the skill of misappropriating funds robbing the public and get clean audits", especially since and independent body was used to investigate. Or are you talking about the previous Government? If so, does that mean the current government must do the same?

      Zakhele - 2011-02-25 11:04

      @pop101- Who are you trying to teach? Let me rather enlighten you further because you used to explaining things for blacks and never get to grips with things: Here are the financial engineering definitions of audits opinions: Unqualified opinion: issued by auditor when financial statements (F/S) presented are free of material misstatements and are according to generally accepted principles of accounting (the US GAAP). Could us IFRS if you like. Qualified opinion: issued when auditor encountered one or two situations which do not comply with GAAP, however rests of F/S are fairly represented. Adverse opinion: issued when auditor determines that F/S are materially misstated and go not comply with GAAP. Disclaimer opinion: issued when auditor could not from or refuses to present an opinion on F/S. Reasons could be gross violation of accounting methods, ASSUMPTIONS & ESTIMATES used by management to develop reported F/S. Now DA must get a Disclaimer opinion: Why? Because right in the beginning they ASSUME black people must be content for being assigned less than 2% of the DA expenditure. Of course financial records will add up if you rigged the process right from the onset. Also the independent auditor deliberately overlooked the cheating or he/she is unable to uncover the evils of DA like the ubudget allocated for the toilets in Khayelisha and ZERO budget allocated for solving LAND REGORM problems and Corporate sins of imbalances. So, why not get a clean bill of health if you excuse your budget from the real issues affecting majority South Africans? He/She is not a God remember!

      pop101 - 2011-02-25 11:38

      The mere fact you mentioned the toilet saga makes your whole argument invalid. Despite, can you please re-write your comment. I think you are so worked-up you can't type fast enough, and are consequently making a lot of grammatical errors, hence, the meaning of your post is lost. I can't reply to something i can't read. E.g. What does this sentence mean: "Let me rather enlighten you further because you used to explaining things for blacks and never get to grips with things: Here are the financial engineering definitions of audits opinions." You make a lot of assumptions in all your posts. I'm not interested in assumptions, I believe in hard facts. Also, the majority of South-Africans doesn't live in the Western Cape, so why should the Western Cape Budget affect the majority of South-Africans. It is supposed to reflect the budget of the Western Cape, not the whole of SA. Again, calm down and re-write your comment, so we can debate the issue on the table.

      Zakhele - 2011-02-25 11:53

      Let's write it in isiZulu then? English is not my language and I don't take pride in perfecting other people's languages. I am not brainwashed but I am a real core African, umakoya. If you didn't get what I was saying maybe it's your turn then to try get what I say in isiZulu. Germans, French, Russians, Hungarians, Japanese, Chinese all make these kinds of mistakes. What are you on about? You think you can debate issues with me? If DA is content governing Western Cape why the hell do they want govern South Africa if they are unwilling to holistically solve the country's problems? Then DA must shut up because it has already excused itself from getting involved in the whole country's affairs-that is according to you and your friends when you excuse yourselves from solving the Land Reform Problems and Corporate Sins in the boardrooms. Why get involved if you can't stand the heat in the kitchen? Should we try it?

      pop101 - 2011-02-25 12:40

      Well, English is not my first language...or as some may say: "the tongue of my mother". BUT I know English is the language of business, hence I try my best to learn, read and write it in a proper way. Also, grammar is not language specific, it's a concept used to write/speak properly and is applicable to every language in world. I'm not judging you, I'am merely asking you the pen your comments in a more understandable way. Regarding the DA running the whole of SA. First you ask why the DA include the majority of South-Africans, then you ask why do they want to run South-Africa. It's getting a bit confusing. They must look after everybody, but they are not allowed to Govern them. Despite, my simple answer, most logical answer would be: South-Africa is a Democracy, consisting mainly of one ruling party (which is in control of the National Government) and a number of opposition parties (which may or may not have control of a province or provinces and local governments / municipalities). The USA is a great example where different parties control different states, but the Democrats are in charge of the National Government. Basically, when it comes to national policy writing, all parties have input, but the ruling party have the majority say. If one of the parties "shut-up" as you suggest, then we don't have a Democracy anymore, but a totalitarian state, which is typical in communist countries. Should we try what.

      Zakhele - 2011-02-25 13:05

      @pop101-''but a totalitarian state'' George Bush was a the greatest totalitarian I ever known. Who opposed him when he made those decisions alone? In fact DA is a totalitarian party-they impose themselves on Africans in their own squatter camps telling them how much they would recieve. DA tells us they are not interested in solving Land Reform issues and Corporate sins committed mainly by white DA males. What is that? Isn't that a Totalitarian style- that thou shall do as madam ask? Again, please let go of correcting me on grammar because trust me there are a lot of people who get away with murder on that topic-including David Beckam speaking and writing his own mother tounge. Your problem pop101 is that your mind is conditioned to correct black people. Why don't you correct a barrel load of other people who come up with even worse grammatical errors than mine? Why????????????????????

      Zakhele - 2011-02-25 13:09

      @pop101-''but a totalitarian state'' George Bush was the greatest totalitarian I ever known. Who opposed him when he made those decisions alone? In fact DA is a totalitarian party-they impose themselves on Africans in their own squatter camps telling them how much they would receive. DA tells us they are not interested in solving Land Reform issues and Corporate sins committed mainly by white DA males. What is that? Isn't that a Totalitarian style- that thou shall do as madam ask? Again, please let go of correcting me on grammar because trust me there are a lot of people who get away with murder on that topic-including David Beckam speaking and writing his own mother tongue. Your problem pop101 is that your mind is conditioned to correct black people. Why don't you correct a barrel load of other people who come up with even worse grammatical errors than mine? Why????????????????????

      pop101 - 2011-02-25 14:00

      Zakhele, Here is the DA's Land Reform Policy: http://www.da.org.za/our_policies.htm?action=view-policy&policy=612 I can't comment on the "corporate sins" issue, until you provide hard evidence.

  • lee.larryblue - 2011-02-25 09:24

    DA again....Everyone can see that what transpired with the 500 mill deal is suspiciuos but I swear this DA idiots like listening to their own voices on radio and seeing their ugly mugs on TV everyday, braging to their kids "Did you see me?".....Politicians are just like nappies, they all need to be changed for the same reasons...Sh*t....

  • Sande - 2011-02-25 10:10

    I just wonder if Bheki Cele was white the tone of the call would have been the same. The same DA complained about crime in RSA Bheki is fighting crime since they have nothing to say about crime now he must resign. if the public protector has recommended legal action let the law take it's course.

      pop101 - 2011-02-25 10:33

      Yes, it would have. It probably would have been even worse. But we wouldn't know, would we.

  • amabok - 2011-02-25 10:35

    Compromised? He's a criminal!

  • SouthAfrican - 2011-02-25 10:42

    Didn't President Jacob Zuma say in his State of the Nation address that any corruption or fraud would not be tolerated and such individuals would be brought to justice...Keep your promises. Make an example of such people so that South Africa can move forward. "Msholozi" don't let us down...

      gekko - 2011-02-25 11:12

      He himeself is a criminal.@SouthAfrican...lay off with the green stuff...

  • unskinnybob - 2011-02-25 11:06

    They must ENVY your building!

  • Zakhele - 2011-02-25 13:03

    @pop101-''but a totalitarian state'' George Bush was a the greatest totalitarian I ever known. Who opposed him when he made those decisions alone? In fact DA is a totalitarian party-they impose themselves on Africans in their own squatter camps telling them how much they would recieve. DA tells us they are not interested in solving Land Reform issues and Corporate sins committed mainly by white DA males. What is that? Isn't that a Totalitarian style- that thou shall do as madam ask? Again, please let go of correcting me on grammar because trust me there are a lot of people who get away with murder on that topic-including David Beckam speaking and writing his own mother tounge. Your problem pop101 is that your mind is conditioned to correct black people. Why don't you correct a barrel load of other people who come up with even worse grammatical errors than mine? Why????????????????????

      Rudi Greyvenstein - 2011-03-18 07:33

      OMG it's David BeckHam, get it right jeeez :D But what has his grammatical ability have to do with anything?

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