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Cele prayed before suspension

2011-10-25 11:09

Johannesburg - National police commissioner General Bheki Cele and his wife Thembeka prayed with the Grace Bible Church's congregation in Pimville, Soweto, before his suspension, according to reports on Tuesday.

Cele and his wife were introduced to the congregation before the sermon on Sunday by church founder and senior pastor Musa Sono, the Sowetan reported.

The couple sat in the front row of the church and Cele reportedly sang along and called "amen" while Sono preached.

Cele spent two hours at the church, the Sowetan reported.

His suspension on Monday came after Public Protector Thuli Madonsela found Cele's involvement in the procurement of two leases for new police headquarters in Pretoria and Durban was unlawful and amounted to maladministration.

The leases were valued at R1.6bn.

General Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi would act in Cele's position.

President Jacob Zuma's announcement followed weeks of speculation on Cele's future, including a news report that he would be offered a diplomatic post in Canada, a notion rejected by the international relations department.

Cele's office said on Monday he "respects" Zuma's decision to suspend him.

"The national commissioner of police, General Bheki Cele, notes and respects the president's decision.

"He is extremely confident that he will emerge completely vindicated from the forthcoming inquiry," his spokesperson Nonkululeko Mbatha said in a statement.

Comments
  • Shadoz - 2011-10-25 11:14

    Amen you are the weakest link goodbye.

      VOVO247 - 2011-10-25 11:18

      No Shadoz, YOU, & those like you, who attack a good man based on speculation, are the weakest links, & thanks to you & people like you, we face loosing the strongest face of crime fighting we have had since democracy. Its a sad day for good passionate people & the SAPS, & probably a good one for crime.

      MissGremlin - 2011-10-25 11:30

      @vovo247. Speculation? Erm, the Public Protector did a thorough investigation, based on facts and evidence. What's the point of putting someone in who will fight small crime and be stealing us blind behind our backs?

      zaatheist - 2011-10-25 12:18

      Love the Xian thinking. You can be a fraudster, wife beater, even a murderer and all you have to do is get down on your knees and beg the imaginary sky fairy (who grants wishes) for forgiveness. Done! You are forgiven, like serial killer Jefferey Dahmer who because a born again Xian before his execution. Now he sits with jesus in heaven. It is all a great big cop out (pun intended).

      Shadoz - 2011-10-25 12:37

      VOVO you are an idiot. So i go and steal from a shop then i see other people steal to and i report them does that make me a good man WTFU god the guy is corrupt

      Servaas - 2011-10-25 12:47

      Hmmmmm.. Ancestors clearly did not hear his prayers.

      Right - 2011-10-25 13:08

      @serv-ASS...Appears so. I guess thats why alot of folks seem to be turning to Satanism and resorting to abduction, rape, murder, dousing with petrol and rituals. But he will be back in the position shortly...as you can see on this page alot of people are already glamouring for his return.

      Andries - 2011-10-25 16:20

      @Right: "Glamouring for his return?" Are they dressing up? Who's paying for this glamouring? Hope it's not the taxpayer.

      Dewet - 2011-10-25 16:43

      @VOVO247 >we face loosing the strongest face of crime fighting we have had since democracy You should really learn to raise your standards for service. That is the diff between a successful society and a unsuccessful society. Learn this for your own and your kids' benefit

  • solanga.maluleke - 2011-10-25 11:17

    Good one Jesus said who is in pain,tired,lonely and trouble must come to me I will rest him. I think he can go to church for ever now cause he will be off the hook by doing so. May God bless you Cele even though there are some speculations about the lease tender prob. Keep well

      Kobus - 2011-10-25 11:22

      mmmmm Jesus also said that many will knock but few will enter. Also that many will claim to have done something for Him and He will say depart from me I know you not. Jesus is not to be a cruch when times get tough but a lifestyle you follow daily. Or better said, prayer is not a sparewheel but your steering wheel.

      James - 2011-10-25 12:26

      might as well have been prayed to the sky fairies

      Dewet - 2011-10-25 16:51

      I love it how your leaders manage to fool you into thinking they are working for you. Wake up Look at the houses they are staying in, the cars they're driving and then ask yourself if they are really worried about you. And why you keep forgiving them for blatantly stealing with such stupid and uncontrollable greed is beyond me. The only logical reason can be that you are too dumb to understand what it means

      Grant - 2011-10-26 02:17

      @solanga.maluleke. Jusus did not say that: Matthew 11:28-29 states, "Come unto Me all you who labor and are are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. "Take my yoke upon you for I am gentle and lowly in heart and you will find rest for your souls". I'm a stickerler on this one. If you want to quote scripture, make sure you get it right. This paticular passage was read to me in Lusaka remand prison in 1972 when I was accused of being a Rhodesian spy so I'll never forget it.

  • Speed.E.ZN - 2011-10-25 11:18

    who cares if he prayed, big whoop!

      MissGremlin - 2011-10-25 11:32

      Agreed. Truly not sure why it is relevant or news worthy.

  • Stevie - 2011-10-25 11:21

    Can we not wish for someone better?

  • ezekiel.ratshefola - 2011-10-25 11:21

    finally he knew the power of prayer, was he looking for devine intervention.

      zaatheist - 2011-10-25 12:11

      And of course the imaginary sky fairy (that grants wishes) ignored him. The concept of prayer is quite literally insane if you also believe in a God that knows everything. He knows in advance that you are going to pray, and of course he knows how he is going to answer it! Do you actually think that God will change his behavior as result of mumbling a few words? If god is willing to cure someone of cancer just because some hack prays for them, and yet lets millions of other people die in horrible pain from such diseases, doesn't that make him something of a huge jerk?

      Gary - 2011-10-25 13:27

      zaatheist, It is apparent that you know very little about the God of Abraham Issaac and Jacob. There is a recorded episode when God extended a kings life because of prayer. The problem was the consequences that followed. To say that God is a "huge jerk" just highlights your total lack opf understanding about Him. It is only the love of God that keeps Him from destroying the earth and all mankind. If he was just, or as you say a "huge jerk" we would all be destroyed.

      Stevie - 2011-10-25 14:29

      @Gary, My wife gave birth 35 days ago; our baby died at birth and was brought back by the medical team, she died again three days later and again had her life saved by the medical team; she was on an hour to hour basis for three weeks; is still in ICU but is now looking as if she will be released within this week. My religious friends told me that this was all part of gods grand plan and that I should pray to this all caring god to find a solution. So am I to believe that this the all caring god who loves unconditionally conceived a plan to micro manage my babies illness in order for me to pray to him for a solution to the illness that he brought upon her? I do not believe in god but the very idea that such a god could do this whilst caring is obscene. Such a god would be a monster; as indeed the god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob was If the old testiment is to be believed then by his own word he is a psychopathic and cruel nut job who committed infanticide, genocide and heinous acts of brutality far too numerous to mention.

      Gary - 2011-10-25 15:32

      @Stevie. I cannot nor will I attempt to explain why you went through what you did. When people are lost for words many times they would rather say "it is God's will" rather than say nothing. I know of a gospel singer by the name of Matt Redmond that wrote a Gospel song when his baby daughter lay dying in hospital. The song is titled "Blessed be." Some of the words say "The Lord gives and takes away, Blessed be the Lord" This man has been through what you have. All that I can say is that I believe that because he had faith in God before it happend he was in a better position to manage his feelings than you are. May God bless you.

      zaatheist - 2011-10-25 15:43

      @Gary Oh Gary. I was in fact subjected to the same brainwashing as you as a kid. I grew up. I bet I know your bible better then you do. You god is in your imagination. He does not exist. A billion Muslims and hundreds of thousands of Hindus cannot be wrong. Of course some evidence for you god might change my mind. I'm waiting .....

      Malcolm - 2011-10-25 17:43

      @zaatheist @gary @Stevie. God gave his one and only son to be whipped 39 times with a lead-laced cat-o-nine tails; then nailed stark naked to a cross to suffer unimaginably and eventually die of suffocation, pain and dehydration. Jesus died so we may have eternal life if we accept him as our Lord. This little life is just an interview for the real thing, a life so wonderful we cannot even begin to imagine. Don't for one minute underestimate our God and lose your free gift of a new better life than this. If your current attitudes are right then all is well; however if I’m right you’ve got a big problem! Why take the risk?

      Delusion - 2011-10-25 18:15

      Thanks Malcolm, very inspiring stuff. You made me think - maybe I have a problem. I had children only because I wanted them to serve and worship me. I told my children never to touch the fruit bowl. They were naughty and touched it though, so I threw them out in the middle of winter and cursed them to suffer horribly for the rest of their lives, and for all subsequent generations to suffer also. Later I felt sorry for them, impregnated a virgin without her consent and sent this child to my naughty chidren so that they can torture and murder him – the logic: in order to protect them from myself. Sorted! and I felt a lot better. Do you think I am a psychopath Malcolm?

      WessBergg - 2011-10-25 18:18

      @ Malcolm: Have you had a conversation with God seeing as you seem to know It's will or are you just paraphrasing a book that was written by fallible human beings and is not complete seeing as the books locked up in the vaults of the Vatican are considered too controversial (read: too damning of the church and organised religion) to be published? I agree that this life is a stepping stone to something bigger, but that is every person's own journey and threatening people with Hell makes you no more of a Christian than not believing in Christ at all. This is taken as fact out of the Bible you hold so dear, so I know I would personally much rather burn in Hell than be led by the nose by false prophets without ever questioning said "prophets" who try to impose their world view on me, but hey that's just me. Peace and Love

  • Gary - 2011-10-25 11:21

    seriously?...this is news?

      Marion - 2011-10-25 11:24

      I share your sentiments... I pray but I seriously don't give a continental about whether or not he prayed. What I do care about is that we find out the truth and that, if he is exonerated, he be allowed to continue to follow through on the fight against criminals which seems to be working. If he is found to be guilty of more than ignorance, then his butt must be dismissed.

      Silvana - 2011-10-25 16:44

      @zaatheist I have seen your comments on several news item and I respect your views albeit that I don't necessarily agree with you. You religious or lack of religious beliefs is your perogative. Bringing the Muslims and the Hindu's into this has just exposed you for the cretin that you are. First of all the Muslims acknowledge Abraham (know who hw is?) as a prophet and that they are descended from Abraham's son Ishmael, Secondly Mohammed said that Jesus Christ was the greatest prophet and he is known as Issa. Sometimes it is better to keep quiet and be thought of as a fool than to open you mouth and remove all doubt.

  • VOVO247 - 2011-10-25 11:24

    Gen. Cele is a respectable, determined & good man. Those who have ever met him, or been in he's presence, worked under him will confirm my words. Speak to any Officer in the force, chat to anyone who has had the misfortune of needing being a victim of crime, beofre 2009 & after, & they will tell you, things have changed for the better. We hava a man who says in public what we all think. We have a man who thinks like us, who non racially supports every officer in the force, who fights for OUR safety. He may not be the best cop but certainly is teh best moral booster, & down to earth representative of the force we have ever had post Apartheid. Gen Cele, We salute you, & hope to see you back at the head of the SAPS in no time.

      Albert - 2011-10-25 11:40

      The man tried to make money dishonestly.Whats wrong with you.Is this your moral standing in life?

      Marion - 2011-10-25 11:49

      @Albert... He wasn't found guilty of trying to make money dishonestly. This is what he was found to have done: His suspension on Monday came after Public Protector Thuli Madonsela found Cele's involvement in the procurement of two leases for new police headquarters in Pretoria and Durban was unlawful and amounted to maladministration. I for one hope that he is only guilty of ignorance and not taking bribes. He is the worst thing to have happened to criminals in this country in a long time.

      Shadoz - 2011-10-25 12:47

      Albert guys like VOVO have selective thoughts yes CELE was good at his job but he got caught with his hands in the cookie jar. If i steal from my boss no matter HOW good i am at my job i will be fired plain and simple. So VOVO man please think about what you are saying.

      John - 2011-10-25 13:07

      I was in the SAPS.... till my skin color and striving for professional excellence became a thorn in the side for Cele and his crew. You see, even suspects and criminals have rights and are entitled to be treated fairly. Sure kill them if they are a threat... but Cele introduced the notion of the wild west. So he encouraged the police to become a law until themselves and a force, not a service. But they still are corrupt, they are unprofessional, unfit, overweight, illiterate and simply unable to fight crime. He destroyed professional units and instead of fighting crime by using clever detective work, which will secure a conviction, he promoted arrogance and police who lose cases because they simple haven't a clue. Good riddance!!! Give us a policeman, not a politician. A policeman who will fight crime, encourage professionalism, secure convictions and make us believe in and trust the police again.

      Graham - 2011-10-26 08:43

      This however is the same "man" (thief?) who openly said that people who are friends wiuth criminals are criminals. He is a regular visitor at the Mpisane home and these "people" (crooks?) have done nothing short of raping the public purse. The Public Protector obviously has a case and your "man" must go down!

      lionel.holder - 2011-10-26 12:44

      Dis mense soos jy wat my laat skaam voel om in geselskap te se ek was ook n lid. Hy is n krimineel en n plastic polisieman wat jou klein verkrimpte brein ook aangetas het. WAKE UP EN SMELL DIE VROT ROSE JOU OFFICE PEN PUSHER

  • Thulebona - 2011-10-25 11:24

    LOL... scraping the barrel... this is hardly news. are you gonna tell us what meal he had before suspension? colour of his underwear at the time of suspension perhaps?

      Marius - 2011-10-25 11:48

      FULLY agree with you Thulebona! And this is News24 TOP story, why, why?

      Mtizozo - 2011-10-25 13:01

      This is wht they call breaking news,, hahahahaha,,

  • rialine - 2011-10-25 11:25

    Of course he "respects" the decision. He's on Paid holiday!!!!!!

  • robertmanthe1 - 2011-10-25 11:26

    I actually like Cele, he goes to the same gym as me, but if there is a dirty record then, has to face the fire. I hope it isn't the end for him.

  • Heineken.Scholtz - 2011-10-25 11:26

    News24 please tell me why this drivel is newsworthy?

  • Nkosi - 2011-10-25 11:27

    WHY IS THIS IN MY NEWS?? ARE PEOPLE OUT OF STORIES????????????

  • Shalin - 2011-10-25 11:29

    How is this news? Why not write a report about everyone whose prayers didn't come true?

  • Sammy - 2011-10-25 11:34

    AMAZING how these rapers of the constitution always pray when they've been busted?

  • Serena - 2011-10-25 11:39

    What did this gangsta pray for??

      Johannvw13 - 2011-10-25 11:49

      he prayed that we will still get his salary and benifits while he is suspended. Now he and his wife can go on that long honymoon they have wanted fo so long

  • Shane - 2011-10-25 11:45

    @Myvision, how can you talk about "same passion he had in dealing with crime" while the same person is also doing crime. He is busy telling police to shoot and kill criminals, does that exclude him because of the difference in their crimes? SHAME on the ANC government and its leaders!!!

  • Kgabo - 2011-10-25 11:49

    who cares if he went to church or not!! he should have thought about that long before the mess he`s dug himself into..devils wear prada so what? give us real news not this crape about Cele praying or having breakfast before his suspension..people goes through real painful things out there..

  • Rory - 2011-10-25 11:53

    Pray to God, but steer away from the rocks. Ha Ha, hawu Generaaal! Hawu shame baba!

  • Bryan - 2011-10-25 11:54

    And the point of this article is what??? Clearly some peoplo have nothing better to do with their time..!!!

  • rita.jonker - 2011-10-25 12:05

    I wonder where the old skelm will be redeployed

      Trevor - 2011-10-25 12:12

      Word is, he is going to work for the reserve bank where the money is printed.

  • Trevor - 2011-10-25 12:07

    The next ou is also going to take his billion, that train is never late. Nou wil hulle bit ek wonder vir wie?

  • chris.kleynhans - 2011-10-25 12:15

    When you are in a position where you deal with public money, you have to realize that that money came from people that have worked very hard for it and usually have to pay much more to the receiver than what they can personally afford to pay on a bond for a house. It is just to expect that these people want to see a decent return on their money. When all sorts of schemes and trickery are performed with public money so that it can trickle down all sorts of hidden gutters into undeserving fraudulent pockets, such deeds needs to be fixed. When you do something like this with intend and know what you are doing, then you obviously betrayed the christian god that you worship. Now, when you get a whole congregation to pray with you, the message that you send out is this: "I want god and the congregation to be complicit in my dirty deeds!". You are blasphemous to a god that doesn't like that sort of thing. Strictly speaking, you just confirm that you are indeed the snake that we always thought that you were. O.K., maybe you have tried to fix the police force but instead of using technology that should be available and improve efficiency of your people, you prefer to settle crime with plenty of dead body's a crime scenes. On one hand I may feel it is good because we know ho violent criminals are to the public nowadays. But on the other hand the chances of innocent people ending up dead without the chance of a fair trial escalates....So what is the definition of a criminal, ask yoursel

  • Leon - 2011-10-25 12:17

    God is not a "first aid kit" to be used when needed! On session in a church does not make you Christian.

  • Monique - 2011-10-25 12:19

    I would also pray if I was in his shoes...R1.6bn is a fk-load of money!

  • Wonderman.Mlitwa - 2011-10-25 12:25

    Why prayer part or attending church needs mentioned in the front. Rather stick to his suspension. We all attend church and pray and its not newsmaking event.

  • Demola Adebiyi - 2011-10-25 12:27

    AMEN!!!!!

  • Haroun - 2011-10-25 12:28

    the president has given the cabinet a big box of surge to purge it of the crap

  • Adrian - 2011-10-25 12:40

    So what? Malema also prayed before his inquiry started. It's all a big scam on their behalf!

  • alain.d.thomas - 2011-10-25 12:57

    Bheki Cele is a lucky man. Suspended with pay. I think its more like paid leave. We all know how long that 'investigation' is gona go on whilst the Top Cop gets to put his feet up and buy more hats. Well done n Happy Holidays Mr Shoot To Kill

  • Frikkie - 2011-10-25 13:16

    Siestog, jy gaan nie jou gat red as jy drooggemaak het, en nou moet Liewe Jesus vir jou cover nie. Godsdiens werk nie so nie, my bra

  • Deon - 2011-10-25 13:18

    I don't get it... Why make a spectacle of going to "Church"? Sloooow news day!!

  • TheRock - 2011-10-25 13:22

    Who or what did he pray to? Clearly an insult to God to have a devil's child like that praying to Him.

  • Fran - 2011-10-25 13:28

    Even crooks pray before they go and steal, what is so special about Bheki Cele praying? Sometimes the media have nothing to report on really? There are thousands of distitute people who pray that it does not rain because they are afraid of their shack getting flooded but you go and report on a scrupolous police chief visiting church? Many of us only pray when we are in trouble and that's the truth.

  • phumlanii - 2011-10-25 13:49

    When a person has done good or bad and no-one believes them they turn to God/Jesus because people are not wholey they always judge. Whiles God/Jesus accepts those who've seen their wrong doing without being finger pointed. This happens to every living human being and it's natural. I don't think Cele has done something wrong except by signing the papers. Maybe his subodinates made things easy for him whiles concealing the truth. It can happen to everyone.

      Vuyo - 2011-10-25 14:24

      Yes Phumlanii, that's why its so important to appoint COMPETENT people to do any job. I also think he had orders from higher up to just sign those papers. The problem is that corruption is so rife in all and every layer of our government structures that it is quite possible that he also got his palm greased. It's hard to say no to a couple of million when you come from having nothing.

  • Mark - 2011-10-25 15:30

    It's a pity that he didn't seek guidance before signing the leases. Maybe the devil made him do it?

  • ElKapino - 2011-10-25 15:42

    Amen wamasimba

  • Hallo - 2011-10-25 16:21

    SAPS actually improved quite a bit during Cele's tenure. No one can deny that visible policing has been stepped up (from pretty much non-existence). Discipline and as well as the shoot to kill (armed crimnals) was definitely a step up. He was hands on. It was a step in the right direction. This is a great pity..

  • Aubrey - 2011-10-25 16:44

    Is this not a April fools day joke prehaps.THE MAN PRAYING FOR WHAT.

  • Peter - 2011-10-25 16:55

    All i can say is give the man a fair chance.I was a policeman before in the SAPS and this man is good for the fight against crime.He is a hard worker and is not affraid to meet the criminals face to face.We do need a man like this.Hope his suspention is dealt with quickly so if he is cleared he can resume.

  • Merle - 2011-10-25 17:15

    Prayed that no one would work out the 'rent' details ? 1 for you , 2 for me.

  • bbndlovu1 - 2011-10-25 17:53

    God loves bheki cele and I. God hates corruption and I.No matter how many times you can pray god will never answer the prayers of a corrupt person. we say thank you, for a well done job to fight crime in south africa.

  • Sandy - 2011-10-25 19:34

    This is a farce...

  • Marlyn - 2011-10-25 20:34

    GIVE THAT MAN AN ENAMER TO STICK UP IS BUTT

      Myth - 2011-10-26 09:52

      ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T MEAN EMENA?

  • Azande - 2011-10-25 20:48

    Flawed reporting that intends to insinuates that Cele went to church for his suspension. so that the fools can sink themselves in the trap. How the hell is attending a church service has anything to do with his suspension? The reporter intends to imply that despite his plea to God not to be suspended, God did not hear him. This is either slur to Cele or insult to God…. “The couple sat in the front row of the church and Cele reportedly sang along and called "amen" while Sono preached”, what the heck is that?

  • Cheryl - 2011-10-26 17:55

    So, is he totally squeaky- clean -innocent (being framed) or maybe just 'guilty of being too dozy to notice the fraud' (incompetance), OR totally filthy stinking corrupt (just another drek). Did always wonder about a man so obsessed with his clothes and looks , like a pimp, how he could be the 'real deal'. Hopefully the truth will emerge.....thats all we want.

  • janjac.gilbert - 2011-10-26 20:11

    All atheists will also pray on the day of His return. Repent before it is too late my friends.

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