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Cele still fit for a political job - ANC

2012-06-18 11:33

Durban - ANC members should not harbour “untoward” feelings towards President Jacob Zuma about Bheki Cele, as the axed top cop remained a “comrade” with a political future.

This was according to KZN ANC deputy chairperson Willies Mchunu, speaking at the opening of a two-day workshop in Durban for delegates attending the party’s national policy conference, which will take place later this month.

Mchunu said the findings of the Moloi Board of Inquiry that Cele was not fit to hold office as police chief, had not made him “unacceptable” to the ANC.

The findings had dealt with operational issues.

Nor should there be “untoward” feelings for Zuma, who was doing what was within his responsibilities as South African president, said Mchunu.

Political comeback

Mchunu and other ANC provincial leaders have been left in no doubt about Cele’s popularity, with his supporters lobbying strongly for his political comeback.

Mchunu himself was forced to interrupt his welcoming address in Newcastle when Cele staged a late entrance, a la Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, and received a standing ovation from the gathered delegates.

It was a clear message to the party’s leadership, including Zuma.

Mchunu called for patience.

He said there were people in the province who were Cele’s supporters and who were agitating that more should be done for him.

He said party leaders were dealing with the matter of Cele’s political future and members would be informed in due course.

Cele “remains our comrade”, he said.

Mchunu said there was no doubt that Cele had made a major contribution to politics in the province and in the fight against crime.

He noted that this was also acknowledged by Zuma when he made the official announcement last week that Cele had been axed.

Mchunu gave the opening address at the workshop in place of ANC provincial chairperson Dr Zweli Mkhize, who is in Brazil leading a provincial delegation attending a climate change conference.

Cele determined to clear his name

Meanwhile, Cele remains determined to clear his name.

He is expected to file court papers on Thursday for a judicial review of the board’s findings and the president’s decision to fire him.

On Sunday, the DA’s Dianne Kohler Barnard maintained that her party would push for a criminal investigation against Cele, in line with a suggestion in the Moloi board of inquiry report that it be considered.

Kohler Barnard said the DA would seek a commitment from Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa to this end or else her party would institute its own investigation.

Meanwhile, provincial police commissioner Mmamonnye Ngobeni declined to comment on Sunday on reports that she would face a disciplinary hearing this week.

The Moloi board of inquiry took her to task for her alleged attempt to mislead it.

To have done so under oath was “disturbing and could not be overlooked”, it said, adding it would have expected “honesty for the sake of the integrity of the service”.

Comments
  • koos.vandermerwe.338 - 2012-06-18 11:38

    There is always place for a corrupt person at the ancESTORAL kraal.

      anthonycharles.williams - 2012-06-18 11:44

      yes, we must look after our falling comrades...

      Rabble-Rouser - 2012-06-18 11:45

      As usual with the ANC. One can screw up big time and you will just be redeployed as if nothing happened.

      Curry - 2012-06-18 11:45

      Surely he needs to spend some time in prison or "ANC finishing school" to be suitably qualified for the a top position in the current regime?

      Jono - 2012-06-18 12:03

      he is a prime candidate for our next president!!! only in Africa

      Juan - 2012-06-18 12:12

      Yip he fits right in there like a glove. If Cele works on it a little harder he might just be voted our next state president.

      Gustav - 2012-06-18 12:26

      Typical! You get caught with your hand in the cookie jar and simply get re-deployed somewhere else...

      procold2 - 2012-06-18 12:40

      koos did we expect anything different.

      thozi - 2012-06-18 12:50

      The fastest way for an ANC officials with connections to get promotion, increase personal popularity and be a genuine comrade, is through commission of fraud, corruption, etc. Just think of all the top guys in top positions...

      jajabutters - 2012-06-18 13:05

      Saw this coming from a mile away. Hope he enjoys being the 'head' of the spear department...if you catch my drift.

      benn.sadie - 2012-06-18 13:23

      My goodness, why not? He is only a thief and with these additional skills on his CV, there should be absolute no reason why he cannot serve himself, sorry, serve the ANC regime in a political capacity.

      pushka.vladovic - 2012-06-18 16:36

      What is it with "everybody deserves a second chance" in this country? so you can lie, steal be corrupt and when you are caught the idiots are going to bleat "give him a second chance" What about the apartheid government?? are you going to give them a second chance?? Only when it suits them do they whimper "give him a second chance"

      Sharon - 2012-06-18 17:39

      here comes our new minister of finance - yebo yes african style

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-06-18 19:36

      so because he is corrupt he can't be police commissioner but this qualifies him for ANC office. ya i knew that before they even said it. lol

      Alf - 2012-06-18 20:50

      The Zuma government has proved that you do not need to have all your marbles to become a member of the ANC leadership. Actually it helps if you do not play with a full deck! A bit of a tarnished reputation - to put it mildly - is definitely an advantage!

      GrootWitHaai - 2012-06-19 08:47

      Somewhere out there is a government department waiting to be investigated for fraud. Just add corrupt official.

  • joe.farmer.92775 - 2012-06-18 11:41

    incompetent and corrupt, well he fits the criteria for the ANC to a tee. Viva low standards Viva

      Rabble-Rouser - 2012-06-18 11:59

      In Cele's case it's called Struggle Accounting.

      Juan - 2012-06-18 12:15

      Bravo, bravo! only in africa......

      Kala - 2012-06-18 12:31

      The only thing he did wrong, according to anc policy, was get caught.

      sterling.ferguson.5 - 2012-06-19 06:52

      Al Capone had his supporters also.

  • marcus.daily3 - 2012-06-18 11:42

    Hahaha, they truly must envy his body when he walks!

  • Ben - 2012-06-18 11:43

    Forget about popularity. Get people who are able to do the job. We have moved on in the world. Invention of the wheel is now history.

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-06-18 11:44

    Confirmation of just how CORRUPT the anc are.Unreal.

  • Fred - 2012-06-18 11:44

    If corruption and being unfit to hold a senior position are not problems to the anc, is it any wonder that this country is in the mess it's in? Why not just make Cele president and then the whole country can just disappear down the drain, while he shoots from the lip. Anybody out there have any doubt at all about Clem Sunter's predictions for the future of the country? I'm beginning to think he was too generous, and we are going to be a very poor nation much faster than we think, unless there is a dramatic mind-shift among the nations voters next time, if we last that long !!!!!

      Beverley Ainsworth - 2012-06-18 11:49

      ooh no! that will make Cele a Mugabe the 2nd!

  • BulletProof. - 2012-06-18 11:46

    To be corrupt and incompetent is the normal standards for ANC, if it was somebody else out of ANC ranks will be by now in jail.Budy Budy schemes.

  • Jennifer - 2012-06-18 11:46

    This is so wrong! He may well be Shakas great great grandson but he is a bad leader. Shaka would not be proud! You ANC care nothing for the people , you take the money and give little or nothing back! It is time for you to go. STOP THE RAPE AND MURDER Your country is dying! You are corrupted, You are no longer fit to govern and this proves it. ~ You lie and steal and destroy and You like the Whiskey and Wonderful life too much. STOP Voting ANC

  • Hermann - 2012-06-18 11:47

    Political future = HE Ambassador Bheki Cele. How nice.

  • Gavin - 2012-06-18 11:53

    the ANC want people of questionable character as they never question the questionable leader. you have to admire their loyalty to the people who undermine and are busy f'ing over our beloved country.

  • Jacqui - 2012-06-18 11:57

    How many idiots do they have in the ANC?.

      alan.cargen - 2012-06-18 12:06

      All of them...

      mokhoaetsidavid.chicco - 2012-06-18 12:24

      no1 if u nt a member of ANC

      cyntay - 2012-06-18 16:59

      too many to count on hands and feet of 100 people

  • Sagin - 2012-06-18 11:57

    now that cele is known to be corrupt his future in the anc looks bright. just one or two more covictions and he could be our next president. viva anc. viva you scumbags

  • Peter - 2012-06-18 11:58

    How can they even make a statement like this. When will they set an example for a change? The ANC will get more votes if they start setting examples with ANC corruption criminals, and not just transfer the problem. The public needs to know the party is clean, and taking corruption seriously. What motivated Mr.Prez to appoint him in the first place? Now he wants to clear his name, oh please, just shut up and go away.

  • Warren - 2012-06-18 11:58

    Quite correct,he's a crook.

  • vmeiring1 - 2012-06-18 12:06

    Now no one has to wonder why everything tumbles in this country. Regardless of your qualifications, experience, past working history, etc, etc, etc..... If u got contacts in the ANC u will always be found fit for a job in the ANC regardless. Wow, now we know how to create a false economy. Soon people will be medical doctors without any qualifications.

  • rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-06-18 12:07

    Great, a new alltime low for the principles of accountability and professional appointments. Still, when most in the anc are barely competent to join the 20th, let alone the 21st century, you cannot expect them to expose themselves to well qualified and morally effective criticism by peers and leaders.

  • Mark - 2012-06-18 12:12

    bend over poverty stricken ANC followers, your comrade is coming back to give you another one....

      koos.vandermerwe.338 - 2012-06-18 12:24

      The sheeple will even go and buy the Vaseline.

  • misswoodcutter - 2012-06-18 12:13

    angifuni lutho ngoNdosi!

  • Ringeta - 2012-06-18 12:16

    He reduced crime rate against all odds. thanks CELE.

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-06-18 12:35

      Ringeta, during his watch there has been the highest ever number of civilans killed at the hands of police and manyof these where innocent. The abuse of public by police has soared and the SAPS is a shambles of imcompetence and criminality. on top of that he was found to be corrupt. Can you or anyone actually consider any of the above an achievement?

      Sharon - 2012-06-18 17:41

      ringeta you lot really dont know what is going on around you - unbelievable!

      craig.m.wells - 2012-06-18 22:09

      The crime rate dropped because of the stringent standards Fifa demanded during the world cup.

  • nonobaby.kekana - 2012-06-18 12:18

    The is no excuse for wat bheki cele did but the truth is coruption wil neva end in mzansi.truth is evribody hs got hiden skeeletons in da a closets.nd lets not foget that lelizwe lagithi limoshangele,evribodi deservs a second chance,mr zuma knows beter

      koos.vandermerwe.338 - 2012-06-18 12:25

      When is the country going to get a second chance?

      Jawa - 2012-06-18 12:37

      When the ANC gets kicked out

  • Johan - 2012-06-18 12:26

    Is there anybody bad enough not to be good enough for the ANC? There is however millions too good to be associated with the anc

  • smnguni - 2012-06-18 12:29

    I believe that Mr Bheki Cele deserved a second chance, I agree he might have done things wrong but his work was over the achieved. He changed the way in which we looked at our police dapartment for the better, it was going to be fair for the president to give him the second chance.

      cyntay - 2012-06-18 17:08

      "He changed the way in which we looked at our police dapartment for the better" I'm sorry I disagree.. at present the police is at a all time low. its never had a really good reputation but at present its worse than ever. I'm still waiting for the police to call on me when I reported a break in 5 months ago I even got a number that's id reported it. in another situation I was physically beaten by my son-in-law. two cases with numbers were recorded. it never to go count... the papers conveniently went missing on two cases of assault against my son in law. Methinks they in cohoots with the criminals...

  • henk.venter.754 - 2012-06-18 12:29

    the more corrupt the higher the post and bigger the reward!!

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-06-18 12:32

    Off course he is fit for a political job in the ANC. after all it seems as being dishonest and incompetent is a requirement....

  • mokhoaetsidavid.chicco - 2012-06-18 12:33

    ouch whts rong with thise skelotons

  • arthur.hugh - 2012-06-18 12:36

    *shakes head slowly and whistles* Eish eish eish.

  • riedwaan.jefferies - 2012-06-18 12:38

    How the f@ck do we build a nation with such reasoning?

  • chiepner - 2012-06-18 12:40

    Im just reading the headline and my first thought - "offcoarse there will always be place for Cele in an organisation that embraces corruption and nepotism" - and that in itself is such a sad thought to have on a party that once stood for freedom and equility for all.

  • dominique.dhotman - 2012-06-18 12:41

    pathetic

  • Andrew - 2012-06-18 12:46

    Typical of the ANC. If you are corrupt you are eligble for any high profile job in the ANC so that you can accompany the other corrupt leaders. It shows their true colours in their issues about fighting corruption. He should be charged and have his day in court!!!!

  • tom.vorster - 2012-06-18 12:47

    Of course he is, he'd be joining the illustrious company of John Block, Peggy Nkonyeni, Tony Yengeni, et al,

  • Henk - 2012-06-18 12:53

    Responsibility....No such word in any black Language it seems. That is why they want to force people to learn a black language. Then we might understand all of this!

  • Parys - 2012-06-18 12:58

    Just a mad person can agree with this way of thinking. The taxpayer do not want him for any office, end of story.

  • gregory.jurgens - 2012-06-18 13:09

    He should be sent to join JU JU in his bunker.

  • Johann Enslin - 2012-06-18 13:11

    Cry the beloved country.

      Juan - 2012-06-18 15:22

      It is truly sad Johan, so sad.

  • gillian.sanderson - 2012-06-18 13:14

    of course he is - he's a crook!

  • Lee.CPT.ZA - 2012-06-18 13:14

    Perhaps I am missing the point here, but is recommending Bheki Cele for an alternative position within the political sphere or govt service akin to rewarding him for corrupt business practices/ bad management decisions? He would not have been dismissed if he was capable and above board. This would not be tolerated and or happen in the private sector, so why should we accept this in Govt. I have never heard of someone being dismissed and then moved into another business area, within the same business! This is blatantly transferring a problem into another area. If this is the norm then perhaps the convicted Cheryl Cwele should be appointed to the Ports authority or made a manager in the anti smuggling unit/ Compliance/ Revenue assurance environment within SARS. Lets get real here. Unfortunately as everyone toy toyied and ululated for Yengeni, Mchunu and the other ANC provincial leaders have once again left no doubt in anyones mind where their loyalties and commitment to good corporate governance lie.

      Mike - 2012-06-18 13:24

      Thats the way of the ANC - Yengeni a convicted fraudster on the NEC

  • brad.ken.18 - 2012-06-18 13:20

    SO damned easy in the cANCer party! Move a thieving, criminal from one department to another, so he can carry on with him fattening his bank balance elsewhere! What scum!

  • James - 2012-06-18 13:22

    Considering his political background he did remarkably well in the operational police role in lifting the morale of the force and statistically measured results. It was only when he returned to his comfort zone of politics he came unstuck. Nepotism, cronyism, self agrandisment and questionable property deals and getting caught brought him down. However, this kind of experience fully equips for politics in the context of the ANC.

  • Tumelo - 2012-06-18 13:23

    General Bheki Cele signed a lease agreement with Ruth Bhegu who was bent to make millions for himself, and misled the General into thinking that all was well even though procurement protocol was not observed. How did Cele benefited from this to be labelled a corrupt politician? What the President ought to have done was to appoint the General to lead operations whilst someone else deals with the Administration. Then the issue of being fit to hold office would have been dealt with.

      Sharon - 2012-06-18 17:47

      bud if you cant read or understand a lease agreement especially one for millions of rands then you dont deserve to be employed.i guarantee you that most of the anc cabinet ministers would not be able to find a job in the private sector even with your aa - bee and all that nonsence

  • grace.andtruth.77 - 2012-06-18 13:32

    His charges of fraud, corruption, kidnapping and murder qualify him to run for presidency no doubt!

      Stewart - 2012-06-18 22:40

      Still missing rape.

  • roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-06-18 13:33

    Ja! he would be seeing that he hasn't stolen enough to retire or been dishonest so that he can get more money. This is how the ANC is ruining the country by employing crooks and thieves.

  • margaux.doeebrahim - 2012-06-18 13:35

    as long as u were part of 'the struggle' you're sorted for life no matter what. f@ck things up in your current position, get fired then get something else to screw up!!!! second chance my ass

  • Chris Knight - 2012-06-18 13:38

    Why am I not surprised by this comment. It seem like the ANC is one big criminal organization.

      John - 2012-06-18 13:43

      Yes, the Association of National Criminals - a.k.a. ANC

  • John - 2012-06-18 13:45

    Ladies and Gentlemen; welcome to the government of South Africa.

  • richard.zanner - 2012-06-18 13:51

    Off course he is still good candidate as he has all the required qualities e.g corrupt, inefficient and useless. We know he cannot run the Police department so maybe he has a talent in the department of finance.

  • Peter - 2012-06-18 13:53

    He will fit in comfortable where corruption and and do as you please is rife.

  • tito.mario.927 - 2012-06-18 14:04

    Unfortunately this scavenger type mentality does not get wiped out in a few decades. Its going to take the continent a very long time to get rid of this mindset, and for leaders to understand the values and respopnsibilities that come with their positions. Our reality is that there are millions out there that don't see any wrong with what he has done, and the leadership knows it. They are only tryimg to EAT. Hence the all too familiar cry of 'give him another chance.

  • Mondli - 2012-06-18 14:20

    ANC, really now? It's hard to defend for you as supporters

      Sharon - 2012-06-18 17:50

      you still support them mondli - wow you must have a learning disability or lpve to be punished

  • Harald - 2012-06-18 14:22

    Will they never learn.... no; too dumb!! there is only so long you can keep this up before you reach rock bottom...