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Cops explain R11bn civil claims

2011-10-06 22:41

Johannesburg - Police have provided more clarity on the civil claims amount of more than R11 billion revealed in the annual financial statements of the SA Police Service on Thursday.

National Commissioner of Police, General Bheki Cele, said the amount represented accumulated civil claims against the police that were still pending.

However, various factors influenced the settlement of a claim, or eventually the legal processes, during any litigation.

Cele said the amount of more than R11 billion related to claim amounts only and not payment or even estimated settlement amounts in future.

At the time when the figures (of all pending accumulated claims) were published in the financial statements, it was not known how some claims had been settled.

It was also not known whether or not the amount claimed would be amended, reduced or increased once summons were served.

Cele said claim amounts were normally inflated by complainants through their legal representative offices.

It meant the amounts filed against police did not necessarily represent amounts that claimants were legally entitled to.

Cele said he did not condone the unbecoming conduct of members, which generally tended to attract civil claims against the police.

The police head said many police members ended up causing the department to pay damages while performing their duties diligently.

However, there were those who tended to act outside the law.

Comments
  • Chris3 - 2011-10-06 22:53

    I can see Cele's point, with the complainants council asking for more than is reasonable....however, even if this figure is inflated by a factor of 1000%, they are still facing a ridiculous amount of claims. This on top of reports of cops raping, murdering, participating in criminal activities etc doesn't paint a good picture of the Police Service at all.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-10-07 00:15

      Agreed Chris but this is also not America - We can't claim millions, only what we are justifiably owed. Let's say that figure rounds down to about R1b - What the hell are the police doing? And the fact that he even tries to explain it is exactly the problem.. He needs to apologise and address the issue not ALWAYS make effing excuses.

  • MyWereld - 2011-10-06 23:09

    These claims just underline the level of competency of the police; Zero. How many hungry children could not have been fed with this money. I boggles the mind.

      Mya - 2011-10-07 02:16

      freudian slip?

      York Hunt - 2011-10-07 07:08

      Not quite, looked more like a 'typo'

  • letsee - 2011-10-06 23:33

    Another ANC government show of incompetence. This is money that could be spent for better purposes and even that is questionable since the present ANC leadership can't manage projects. No wonder Malema is looking for money where he shouldn'touch.

  • joe777xxx@24.com - 2011-10-06 23:37

    Difficult to fathom: What are the average claims per capita in other countries? Without this info I would hazard a guess we must be double that.We have the worst police force in the western world,a few good ones carrying the rest.

  • leonard - 2011-10-06 23:44

    I am almost at a loss for words.Surely the figure cannot be R11 billion.If this is not a misprint,we are really in the dwang and down the toilet.How BAD are the police for g-ds sake.?

      Sven - 2011-10-07 00:28

      @Leonard, well I do not know how bad they really are, but when my wife and I were run over by a very drunk 5t truck driver and the police were there to take statements, it was a very big surprise to discover the whole incident was a figment of our imagination when we inquired at the relevant police station as to the details of the truck and the name of it's driver. Without an accident report, we were not able to claim the millions that were due to us from the guilty party's insurance. I lost my right leg, my wife no longer has a right hip, but something that is jury rigged to enable her to walk. Both of us will suffer for the rest of our lives, but we have so far been unable to sue the police force, as there is no record of the accident, except for the ambulance and hospital admission reports. As we are just one of the casualties of the police force incompetence, I am sure that the figure of 11 billion is rather small.

      Myth - 2011-10-07 04:07

      The police are truly bad, believe it.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-10-07 07:21

      Jeesh Sven that is unbelievably horrible... I am truly sorry. I know it won't help at all but i do believe you should make it more public if you can... Cele must go and the police need to be first cleaned/cleared out and then rebuild. People need to hear about things like this so more and more pressure can be put on the pollice.. Imagine what's happening to people who can'e speak for themselves

  • Sean - 2011-10-07 04:08

    As far as I am concerned this figure should be zero! The police aresupposeed to be 100% clean and reliable, why are thereivil claims against the police in the first plasce? This ma Kes one feel whether the police can be relied upon? They are supposed to be protecting the rights of the citizens ant in the doubt on whether they act according to the law themselves. I do'not trust the the police one moment and rely more on private security companies to react on calcalls for assistance and responce to criminal activity only to find that once a case is handed over to the police corruptiin becomes rife with bribary and corruption! More and more cops are seen to be involved in crime themselves, makes one think hey!? One does not know who to trust anymore. Firearms are not being accounted for during audits, why? Where do they end up and why are innocent citizens being wrongfully arrested, do the police have their facts straight before making arrests, this is probably wher most of the civilclaimseminte from, not to mention the horrendous treatment the innocent public are facing. Lets start recruiting and intensifying trining new recruis on the rights of the public! Innocent till proven guilty! Sean Presher-Hughes

  • Shorts1 - 2011-10-07 06:47

    It never ceases to amaze me as to how totally incompetent these ANCronies actually are!! In any civilised country, governments like this would make been booted out years ago. Unfortunately, this proves yet again that South Africa is light years away from being a civilised society. Perhaps the term 'emerging market' is fully indicative of the vast population of this country who are still in the process of coming out of the bush.

  • Shorts1 - 2011-10-07 06:51

    My apologies - in my previous comment, 'make' should read 'have'.

  • Sisie - 2011-10-07 07:16

    "However, there are those who tended to act outside the law" wow you don't say, now that is something new - i would never have thought it. I would say that the diligent police and just a hand full, while the rest are thugs, crooks and con men. And please don't get me started on female cops, they have such a big chip on their shoulder, that they are rude and arrogant as well as bullies.

  • York Hunt - 2011-10-07 07:18

    This story is totally indicative of the incompetence and level of corruption within the South African Police Service...

  • JCWR56 - 2011-10-07 07:49

    R11b is a number and so many zero's. what the police should be reporting is number of claims, number of legitimate claims, value of legitimate claims and a plan of action to close out these issues and a lessons learnt document to make sure they don't re-occur. in fact, seeing as i'm paying the R11b or hopefully a fraction of it, these documents should be published and progress reported. it's my mine money Cele, stop f))king around with it.

  • Hansie - 2011-10-07 08:03

    This is ki'nda lot of money you know.

  • CPII - 2011-10-07 08:19

    Mein Gott! That is R 11 000 000 000 i.e. eleven thousand million. Surely this can't be right. If so, he must go IMMEDIATELY!

  • ratex - 2011-10-07 08:44

    I feel f8ckall for the cops. They are the most corrupt law breaking scum in south africa. While some of them do do good, unfortunately the bad far outways the good. As such I have little if any respect for them. Until they uphold the law and apply sed law equally to all COLOURS, quite frankly they can all go f8ck themselves. The same aplies to the JHB mtero f8cks who apparently now no longer need to stop at robots, stop streets, intersections in general and then still have the balls to speed in the emergency lanes. There i said it

  • Aleg - 2011-10-07 08:45

    Is this what happens when policemen are appointed/promoted to positions without following the correct protocol? Perhaps they do not have the competency to perform their duties, & other hard-working policemen who are competent become disillusioned & demotivated when they are not even considered for promotion, & the incompetents leap-frog over their heads to high positions purely because of who they know, & not what they know. 3 months after Cele married Thembeka Ngcobo, his father-in-law Mjabuliswa Ngcobo was promoted to the position of head of detectives in KZN - this position was that of a brigadier @ a salary R664317 pa, but immediately on his appointment, the position was upgraded to that of major general @ R805188 pa. Thulani Shabalala, Cele's former body guard & best man (he introduced Cele to Thembeka) was promoted, jumping SIX ranks to that of head of police's protection & security services in KZN @ R700000 pa. Nonkululeko Mbatha a former SABC journalist, was appointed as a director in the KwaZulu-Natal Department of Transport when Cele was provincial transport MEC. Bheki Cele, fortified by his teacher's diploma, was then appointed new police commissioner in 2009, & Mbatha followed him joining the police (NOTE in 2009) & was immediately given the rank of major-general. Cele's driver, Simphiwe Shezi - promoted from constable to captain in one day, jumping the ranks of sergeant and warrant officer. (http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article950794.ece/All-in-the-family)

      Aleg - 2011-10-07 09:14

      And the sad thing is that the 11 billion will come from us, the tax victims

  • Whitey - 2011-10-07 08:46

    Useless bastards!!!! They are destroying everything!!! The time will come for the whites to take the country back because there will not even be any resistance!! That's how useless they all are!!!

  • claudevn - 2011-10-07 09:04

    The PO-PO are becoming a cash cow for the people they mistreat, wrongfully arrest/raid, rape, beat etc... I in return then say LET THEM BE THE CASH COW!! It this doesnt let them wake up and smell the coffee beans? then what will?... Misconduct = Civil Claims... Sad but true, and they will have to cough up! Vice grip has been applied... lol

  • Vince York - 2011-10-07 09:31

    Well, if Land Claims coffers have been emptied, and the RAF coffers, and Public Works coffers and many other myriads of other coffers, why not now target this police budget in same ilk? Hegemonistic Cultural FEEDING GREED FRENZY in Azansi goes into final full tilt!

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