Cosatu, SACP make veiled warning to ANCYL

2011-06-24 19:01

Johannesburg - The Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) and the SA Communist Party will close ranks against the "right-wing demagogic populist mobilisation" apparent in South Africa, the pair said on Friday.

"... Periods of capitalist crisis are also typically characterised by various forms of right-wing demagogic populist mobilisation acting on behalf of various capitalist strata in crisis, but often masked behind a pseudo-left rhetoric," said Cosatu spokesperson Patrick Craven and SACP spokesperson Malesela Maleka in a joint statement.

The two prongs of the ruling alliance with the ANC were speaking after a bilateral meeting which took place in Johannesburg on Thursday.

Craven said the federation and the party were referring to a "tendency", caused by the capitalist system, which could be found within the ANC youth league and internationally.


ANCYL leader Julius Malema has reportedly accused the left of failing to lead workers.

"We believe that the same phenomenon is apparent in SA, finding a potential mass base among tens of thousands of unemployed and alienated youth in particular.

"However, behind this populism are often well-resourced business-people and politicians seeking to plunder public resources.

"We resolved as the SACP and Cosatu to close ranks and to expose the true agenda of these tendencies and their connections to corruption and predatory behaviour in the state."

Craven said it was clear that when a group emerged claiming the "mantle of the left" it was only natural for the "real left" to close ranks and defend itself.

Disagreement over party, govt positions

At the same time, it was crucial that unemployment, poverty and inequality be addressed as they gave rise to this "phenomenon".

The SACP and Cosatu have been at loggerheads of late over the role of SACP general secretary and Higher Education Minister Blade Nzimande.

Cosatu believed that SACP office bearers should be permanently in their posts to strengthen the party and not hold government positions.

The SACP disagrees.

The pair discussed the matter "frankly and in a comradely spirit".

"In regard to the deployment of SACP leaders, the party reaffirmed that this was a collective decision of the party based on the party's commitment to building working class hegemony in all sites of power, both within and outside of government.

"Cosatu did not disagree with this position in principle but believed that the two formations should continue to assess how best to achieve an effective balance between the SACP's mass mobilisational and state-related responsibilities."

Agreeing to disagree

Craven said this meant that the matter was in "review" and that Cosatu and the SACP "agreed to disagree" at this stage.

The SACP and Cosatu would meet again after the conclusion of the latter's central committee meeting next week to discuss a "more concrete programme of action".

The talks would include the fight against corruption, the living wage campaign, land reform and rural development, housing, national health insurance, education and public transport.

"The two formations reaffirmed their conviction that the unity in action of the SACP and Cosatu constituted the bed-rock for advancing, consolidating and defending the national democratic revolution - itself the most direct path to a socialist SA based on meeting social needs and not private profits."

  • Andrew - 2011-06-24 19:08


      World Traveler - 2011-06-24 19:36

      I am not going to say Viva! to either of these two left-wing paper tigers but they do have it right when they think that the ancyl is stuffing the country up! Malema is a media made man, if the media give him the cold shoulder he will fade away.

      Lee - 2011-06-24 19:39

      Why is that VIVA. Who are these people, bloody agents. thats what i'd be saying now if i was a ANCYL supporter. Taliking out like that against the ruling ANCYL won't go down to well with Comrade President do as i say Malema. I new of an ANC that spoke once but has since been slapped down by a bunch of cookie jar hungry kids.

      R.Suppards - 2011-06-25 16:37

      ALL THESE, COSATU, SACP & ANCYL ACTIVISTS PISS IN THE SAME POT. SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. IT'S CALLED NATIONALISATION AKA THEFT. They are not capable of creating anything, so, being in the majority,they want to take away the things the creative minority have built up through intelectual superiority and hard work.

      HerrCranium - 2011-06-25 16:59

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  • James Weather - 2011-06-24 19:29

    YAY !!!!!!!!! Finally someone has the balls to stand up for whats right ... Well done guys ...

      Goose - 2011-06-24 20:33

      Dear ANCYL members, ...1/2 I am an English person, and a descendant of the once all powerful British Empire. You and I have something in common. We have at various times in history both coveted the productive farm lands of the resourceful Afrikaner, and the prosperity of their mining operations. The difference between you and I however, is that my ancestors actually did once try to take the Afrikaners land without paying for it. ...Twice. Now I’d like to take this opportunity to reminisce upon the power and might of my once glorious British Empire. There was once a time when England was the most scientifically and technologically advanced nation in the world. Our political power and imperial influence extended to boundaries of every single continent on the face of the planet including the south pole, at a time when most other nations where only just learning how to build ships that could float at all. And in this age of uncontested rule and unparalleled power and prosperity, our military force was by proportion the most superior in numbers, tactical capability and technological superiority in the history of human kind, paralleled only by the legions of the Roman Empire a thousand years before us. To put it simply, we were globally all powerful and totally unbeatable. Even God, was there for no other purpose than to save our queen. And then, …we tried to take the Afrikaners farms without paying for them.

      Goose - 2011-06-24 20:51

      Dear ANCYL members, ...2/2 For the sake of protecting my honour and ego, I’m not going to bore you with the historical consequences that befell the brave military forces of my once great nation as they gallantly marched upon the farm lands of those god forsaken Boers. But it is suffice to say, that with all the superiority of number, technology, and tactical capability. And with all the astronomical power and unbeatable force of the entire British Empire, …we FAILED to take the Afrikaners farms without paying for them. …And we tried, ‘twice’. As one who has once shared your desire to own for free, that which the Afrikaner has worked so hard to build and create in this land, which you actually weren’t doing anything with anyway when they got here, I feel compelled to offer a word of caution. have absolutely ‘no idea’ what you are about to go up against!! However, if you must! If you, the youthfully inexperienced and intellectually insignificant followers of the ANCYL, feel that you somehow stand a pork chops chance in a synagogue of actually taking an Afrikaners farm without paying for it? Then I humbly and respectfully offer you my deepest sympathies in advance, and bid you good luck, and God speed. Please let me know before you attack, because I’d like to catch it on camera, so I can post the video on Kind regards, Humble descendent of the late British Empire

      Spyker May - 2011-06-24 21:38

      Good Goose.., well narrated... The only reason this little feckless fat fetid freak is carrying on the way he is, is because he has never faced the Afrikaner in battle. Like it, or otherwise – the Afrikaner is the modern-day Spartan, the contemporary ‘300’... Hated as much at the time – predominantly due to envy, feared to the point of desperation, but all said – simply declaring that the four decades preceding 1994, will forever remain a ‘purple patch’ in the history of SA...

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-06-24 22:26

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Thanks for that Goose, you gave me my daily dose of LOL for the day. And thanks for the compliment. Also, if i remember correctly it was only because of the implimentation of concentration-camps tactics against the boer women and children that forced the boere to surrender the 2nd time.

      50something - 2011-06-25 16:40

      Goose - well said and thanks for putting hostory into perspectives and sparing the gory details of how the English burned down the farms, put the Afrikaner's women and children in consentration camps to die and shipped the POW men off the St Helena island ... In the face of adversity, the Afrikaner is like a cork, they always surface and restarted their lives and no-one is going to take that away

      Dries - 2011-06-25 17:49

      Take a moment and read these words, written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle more than a century ago. He was knighted by Queen Victoria for his outspoken opinions and popular writings in favour of the Empire and very much against the Boers who had the audacity to take on the might of the British Empire..... "Take a community of Dutchmen of the type of those who defended themselves for fifty years against all the power of Spain at a time when Spain was the greatest power in the world. Intermix with them a strain of those inflexible French Huguenots who gave up home and fortune and left their country for ever at the time of the revocation of the Edict of Nantes. The product must obviously be one of the most rugged, virile, unconquerable races ever seen upon earth. Take this formidable people and train them for seven generations in constant warfare against savage men and ferocious beasts, in circumstances under which no weakling could survive, place them so that they acquire exceptional skill with weapons and in horsemanship, give them a country which is eminently suited to the tactics of the huntsman, the marksman, and the rider. Then, finally, put a finer temper upon their military qualities by a dour fatalistic Old Testament religion and an ardent and consuming patriotism. Combine all these qualities and all these impulses in one individual, and you have the modern Boer - the most formidable antagonist who ever crossed the path of Imperial Britain."

      ???? - 2011-06-25 17:58

      @Dries, Ag vooi tog man,is jy nou klaar? The Boers have been defeated many moons ago already.Have u forgotten the year 1910,the year of the union of south africa? The British defeated the Boers. Grow up now please.

      ???? - 2011-06-25 18:01

      Here will never be peace unless blacks and whites acknowledge the true owners of the land,namely,the khoisan and their descendents,the coloured people. Enjoy your fighting and argueing over someone elses land you losers,death awaits both of you

  • john - 2011-06-24 19:30

    The mind simply boggles. On the one hand, a lunatic who claims that nationalising the mines, farms and banks will lead to anything other than complete and immediate implosion of the economy Zimbabwe-style. On the other, an alliance that talks of a "socialist SA" when the system of Socialism has been discredited for decades as the most murderous, corrupt and spectacularly ineffective in all of human history. And these represent the two most popular political choices in the country. Incredible.

      donald.perumal - 2011-06-24 19:38

      Hi John Socialism is alive and well in all major democracies.Have a closer look and you will see it.

      Valis - 2011-06-24 19:47

      John, I think you are confusing communism with socialism. Two different things :P

      Greybeard - 2011-06-24 19:56

      Your opinion of the "Kibbutz" system, and into which political category if falls?

      john - 2011-06-24 20:14

      so·cial·ism –noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. com·mu·nism –noun 1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state. Ever wonder why it was called the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics and not the Union of Soviet Communist Republics?

      john - 2011-06-24 20:18

      As per the above definitions, Western countries having things like national healthcare or unemployment benefits does not make them socialist. They only become socialist when capital, land, etc belong to the "community as a whole" and not to the individual. That is not the case in any Western country I know. So to call them socialist is a misnomer.

      john - 2011-06-24 20:28

      Or, if one uses the World English Dictionary definition of socialism: "It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels." Anybody care to name me a Western country where there is an "absence of competitive economic activity"?

      Larissa - 2011-06-24 20:30

      Capitalism with limited government, rule of law, Person is broke, hungry, worried, and starts to work to improve life. Person learns a skill, gets a job, works hard, gets paid, improves his life with the power of trading his earnings with others, food and comfort items like healthcare. Remembers life without these things and works hard to get ahead and stay ahead. Socialism with government rules for most activities, like unions and Fed. laws etc., Promises by government takes away all fear and worry, retirement covered, healthcare free and covered, union job guaranteed with locked in wages and seniority by time in. Worker just shows up and does his job and can't be fired. (unless caught stealing). I think I have a basis to start here. Here is my question, where is the perpetuating force that sustains the socialist model? Why work when you don't need to, why work harder when it does no good. Everything is guaranteed, what drives the individual to invent, create, try harder, study, show up at all? Socialism covers what you get, not what you do to get it. In the capitalism example the driving force to work and save- is survival, worry about danger, need for sustenance, this drives the individual to excellence and to pull his own weight in society, and continues to do so his whole career. Socialism ties everyone together and the entire system shuts down

      eh eh eh - 2011-06-24 20:57

      Want a Bell's Jonnie? This depraved little bushpig is so sad & disillusioned that he did not live in the days of the real revolution that he is desperately trying to start one of his own. The ruling party is unsurprisingly conspicuous in its silence

      hawker - 2011-06-24 21:07

      LARISSA You have made such a strong point, and touched on so many ideas and truths, that the News24 comment section is too small a platform for me to reply to you properly. I would like to recommend a specific book I've read, written by Ayn Rand. It sounds like you might have already read it, but just incase you haven't, please take a look at Ayn Rand's "Capitalism: the unknown ideal". If you haven't already read it, have a go.

      Phaedioux - 2011-06-25 20:35

      Scandinavia has been very successful with their brand of Socialism? But, then again, they are a very trustworthy breed of people who care very much about the welfare of their communities and also have a high work ethic in order to advance themselves.

  • squeegeepilot - 2011-06-24 19:38

    Mindless drivel...

      Greybeard - 2011-06-24 20:03

      Not really. The ANCYL has a registered membership of 800 000. Is stand under correction, but I believe that COSATU and the SACP membership is closer to 4 000 000. If anybody can discipline and knock some sense into Juju's followers WITHOUT having the race card played in their faces, they can, and are apparently willing to do so. Who would you rather negotiate with, Malema or Vavi?

      squeegeepilot - 2011-06-24 20:18

      Not arguing that they have a following, but, read the statement... drivel.

  • Nunya - 2011-06-24 19:40

    Mmmmm...that's all good and dandy, but can they just repeat that in idiot's terms, because Malema and the ANCYL will never be able to make heads or tails of what those big words mean...It means the SACP & COSATU is onto you Juju & circus...

  • Madelane - 2011-06-24 19:44

    Um Patrick....Julius is a product of your ideology. How on earth you can call this land grabbing fool Malema right wing can only be to create a smoke screen for his communist rhetoric.

      James Weather - 2011-06-24 19:55

      ummm President 2020?

  • Carla - 2011-06-24 19:50

    Finally sense prevail.

  • Bunty - 2011-06-24 19:55

    Who cares if the country implodes, as long as i'm rich at the end of it all. That's the way it happens all the way down Africa.

  • yusuf.dindar1 - 2011-06-24 20:04

    The battle of power is now finally out in the we all know the hidden agenda here is the current ANCYL leadership fronting for the capatilist Anglo-Saxon agenda versus the socialist workers agenda of Cosatu..what an interesting battle it is turning out to be..the losers unfortunately are the 'blind' masses who are being manipulated

      Dave - 2011-06-24 20:38

      the blind masses may be true, but the ANCYL fronting for capitalism?....not a chance

  • No1Dutchman - 2011-06-24 20:06

    Good they are talking out against Malema, but they are no better than he is. The want to introduce Communism into SA, just about all over the world it has died a silent death. Cuba is struggling and cant feed themselves and China is trying to shake it.

      sainsaudi - 2011-06-24 21:26

      And the other country that Malema visited, Venezuela, is having rolling blackouts i.e. load shedding, because they did not do upkeep on their power generators. What a fine example to follow!

  • - 2011-06-24 20:12

    All very well that they take a 'stance' but WHY??! all this 'veiled' talk when referring to malema???! WHY CANT THEY SAY WHAT THEY NEED TO SAY BY USING HIS NAME?! WHY are they all so SCARED of him? It boglles the mind! But, as they say in Afrikaans, "hier kom n ding"!!!!! - 2011-06-24 20:17


      Dave - 2011-06-24 20:36

      Friday night, long week, couple of drinks, bugger the spelling....exactly mlh, why are they so scared? So much has been written...the next President nog al, bull, he is a jibber jabber of exceptional note, oh and why does the ANC govenment not shut him up, do they really care? Who knows? But politcal speak has always been oh polite

  • Tor - 2011-06-24 20:36

    I see hope for SA. Labor unions are the main reason why Scandinavia have relatively equal wealth among all its people.

  • william.botha - 2011-06-24 20:42

    Rivalry and agendas send the wrong messages to the international community. Especially those with cash to invest.

  • Nigel - 2011-06-24 20:45

    Nice One Vavi, great, you have balls! Viva Vavi!

  • SenseSeeker - 2011-06-24 20:45

    To Mr. Titanic (M@lema). You thought your vessel is well ons its way, but little do you know what iceberg is about to sink your ship. Once again, trying to pin every problem in the country on racial issues bring you closer to your downfall. This is a new SA and everybody is working for a better future, not trying to kill their income and security by causing havoc with idiotic ideals and agressive statements. Once again, sanity prevails with senior knowledgable people making sense and not nonsense....

  • jayt612 - 2011-06-24 20:46


  • william.botha - 2011-06-24 20:46

    Fear the repeat of this

  • AgPseDaddy - 2011-06-24 21:06

    Get rid of WINNIE and the puppet Julies will fall apart as she pulls his strings!

  • Petro50 - 2011-06-24 21:33

    Cosatu the SACP are just worried that the ANCYL stole their policy and that they would now be redundant. Nothing but another power struggle to be the main peanut.

  • JongBurger - 2011-06-25 02:22

    The strict labour laws are, amoungst other things, one of the major causes in isolating the youth from being employed or getting a foodhold on practical work experience. South Africa has the labour laws of a first world country which has well established industries and living conditions whereas South Africa cannot yet affort to implement such strict rules. It's inconvenient but true. Mr Vavi and the SACP are therefore just as much to blame.

  • JadedJay - 2011-06-25 05:07

    Hooray...the ANC and its alliance partners fight within themselves...typical.

  • andre.wilmans1 - 2011-06-25 07:33

    When is this idiotic fool malema going to realise that wealth can not be distributed, but created and earned. Shoot malema - save our country! Viva Cosatu/SACP. Andre Wilmans.

  • andre.wilmans1 - 2011-06-25 07:43

    Jelly Baby, I hope you walk out front when you try and take a Boer's farm. Malema must realise you cant distribute wealth, but create and earn it. SHOOT MALEMA - SAVE OUR COUNTRY!

  • senkgisha - 2011-06-25 09:21

    This are morons are power-hungry...i recall their stupid Blade Nzimande towards Polokwane,he made a lot of noise,now he got what he wanted and is quite.They only care about themselves and their immediate families.his sister is now having a ctering company which gets work from government events.F@@@@k'em.

      sganja - 2011-06-25 09:36

      I agree Blade Nzimande must be a lecture,politics is not for him,Hands off Malema.

      Phaedioux - 2011-06-25 23:07

      What exactly is it that Malema is offering YOU? All I hear from him is I, I, I, me, me, me! What exactly would be your reward if yuou did what he demands? What is it that Nzimande is offering you? I can't see any avantage in following either of them. But, on the other hand, what exactly is it that you are looking/asking for?

  • thobsa malope - 2011-06-25 10:20

    The ANCYL has a mole in both Cosatu and SACP, SADTU. Its aim is to plunder state resources while ignoring the education of the children. in some provinces like Limpopo SADTU is so influential that it can decide who should work as a teacher. COSATU has encouraged this state of affairs by giving SADTU leverage over government in attempts to get more more for its members' pockets. The militancy of SADTU members is motivated by nothing other than this and the protection of their jobs from those who will probably do a better job at educating the country's children.

  • Marcel Pretorius - 2011-06-25 14:38

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  • Bok Fan - 2011-06-25 17:35

    One rabid dog biting another. They are still a danger to anybody with a grain of sanity.

  • Phaedioux - 2011-06-25 20:17

    As soon as some of these Cosatu/SACP guys can actually define what 'rightwing' is in the current SA political context and what it is they consider to be 'populism', we might be able to understand what the heck they are actually talking about! The bandy out out the 'fascist' labels and all sorts of other descriptive labels to their opposition, but they have never properly identified or labelled their own political stances. It is difficult dealing with illiterates who have got stuck on certain 'big words' that they don't understand, but use because 'it sounds cool'?

  • Shando - 2011-07-25 13:39

    m m m m!!!!!!!!!!!

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