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Cosatu a contradiction: Mazibuko

2012-03-13 18:03

Johannesburg - Cosatu's refusal to discuss youth unemployment with the Democratic Alliance reveals a contradiction in the union federation, DA parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko said on Tuesday.

"On the one hand, they oppose corruption, and programmes such as e-tolling in Gauteng," she said in a statement.

"On the other hand, [Cosatu] continue to oppose a policy which would create an estimated 423 000 jobs for young, unemployed South Africans."

Mazibuko said there was growing consensus that the proposed youth wage subsidy was necessary to fight unemployment.

Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe and Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan had both addressed Parliament on the need for the wage subsidy to be implemented.

"Cosatu therefore finds itself increasingly isolated in its opposition," said Mazibuko.

She had written to Congress of SA Trade Unions' general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi to ask for a meeting on the high levels of youth unemployment, and the youth wage subsidy.

Vavi declined Mazibuko's request.

"We see no benefit... in discussing these issues with the Democratic Alliance, with whom we have fundamental ideological differences on many issues," Cosatu spokesperson Patrick Craven said in a statement.

"The basis for these difference are rooted in the fact that while Cosatu represents the working class and the poor, the DA speaks for big business, the wealthy and the privileged."

Comments
  • Blip - 2012-03-13 18:14

    DA represents a wide cross-section of society, including the rich and privileged as well as the poor and unemployed. Cosatu is only a narrow-sector, niche representative.

      Putin the " - 2012-03-13 19:32

      I hope your mind does not go blip-blip.....

      Kolobe - 2012-03-13 19:36

      let the da go consult with solidarity

      Irene - 2012-03-13 20:08

      They're obviously all very afraid of Lindiwe's intellect, something they're very sorely lack.

      Francois - 2012-03-13 20:58

      I think Cosatu has it wrong. They do not represent the poor, they represent the rich. In SA, if you have a job, you are rich. If your labour policies (which Cosatu determines and prescribes to government) prevent the unemployed from getting work either through bad education like SADTU or the opposing of the youth wage subsidy, you represent the rich. Why, if Cosatu had government jumping to its bark since 1994, did the unemployment not come down radically and why did the inequalities in society got worse? Even government acknowledge it, (not that they want to work themselves), people need to work.

      Makatikamusona - 2012-03-13 21:46

      @Francois and @Irene I am sure you are clever enough to realize that it will never happen because DA is the opposition, we can't be seen mingling with the enemy, even if they make a party we just ignore it even if is next door, thus the reason were are not going to meet with this Lindiwe what what

      Makatikamusona - 2012-03-13 21:49

      All these are just cheap tactics from the DA of trying to gather some vote, they must go out there in limpopo and other rural areas and sell themselves. But first they must start learning the language of the people

      richard.fahrenfort - 2012-03-14 14:14

      So the DA are mature enough to move past party politics to help solve a serious problem in South Africa while COSATU are too scared or childish to meaningfully engage with the DA in order to help the very people who support the alliance of which they are a member and can make a difference within.

  • Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-13 18:18

    Point is COSATU refused coz u are from a MickeyMouse Party as Malema correctly pointed out, We are not as interested to hear what u have to say! N so does the rest of South Africa... Except a few bitter white Folks who still foolishly still foresee a future in governing and being important in SA politics, failing to accept that their time is up!!! Go jump n make the Madam a cup of tea.... When will DA get it, we are not interested!!!! Why don't they come back in 10 years? Hehehehehehehe, Hopeless Doomed Alliance Party....

      johangro - 2012-03-13 18:25

      You are clearly not very bright. I feel sorry for you, but hey, TIA, so you should feel right at home...

      Assis - 2012-03-13 18:29

      Thats a great way approach Mtshezi, shoot the messenger, even though the message has the potential to transform thousands of people towards a better life. Continue the same cycle of the previous regime...I leave you with a quote...“I'm interested in the fact that the less secure a man is, the more likely he is to have extreme prejudice.”

      Michael - 2012-03-13 18:29

      @ MYLM...Your'e the one with the bitter lips! The 'Micky Mouse' party, as you so immaturely put it cares about people like you when they talk about a youth subsidy something you are obviously in dire need of so that you can get an education!

      Derek - 2012-03-13 18:33

      About 150 CV's landed in my email inbox over the past two days for a job I advertised. The majority, more than 90%, were from black graduates without a job nogals! If I could I would have employed some of them, but after reading your comments I cannot help wondering whether I would be employing political sheep like you that merely vote an the basis of skin colour, and insult white people whenever they have a chance. Cosatu is not on the side of the workers, they take hundreds and thousands of poor people out of a job, without a salary for the day, to organise a meaningless protest against a political party they helped to gain power, surely even you can see the contradiction in that! The very same people, like you, will once again vote for leaders whose only objective is to fool more people for longer to enable them to eat of the trough. Are you blind that you can notice that our health system, education, police, army, municipalities and just about anything that the ANC touches is in shambles? Good luck my friend, eventually you will get what you deserve if all the sheeples continue to vote for a corrupt organisation!

      J.D. - 2012-03-13 18:34

      I recently drove through a rural town in Northwest only to see the unbelieveable collapse of infrastructure and refuse making the place look like a township. There were more pothole than road in the main street, and worst of all, the people walking in that street seemed totally oblivious of what is happening. The "few white people" this guy is referring to took the blacks out of the bushes but the blacks are unable to take the bush out of themselves. Mother nature is taking the towns back and everything will be bushes again like in Zim. Sad

      Michael - 2012-03-13 18:36

      @MYLM...Cosatu should also, instead of having a 'hissyfit' at the official opposition wanting to discuss the youth subsidy, prove that they want to help people like you and not continually use the youth as political pawns to score points!

      pray4wind - 2012-03-13 18:36

      At MYIM_you very funny guy! You call a party which is consistently winning more voters over, taking wards from ANC strongholds, running provinces efficiently, getting clean audits on budgets, etc, etc... a MickeyMouse party??? I'm not sure you quite understand what that means, right? lol

      Michael - 2012-03-13 18:40

      @mylm...instead of mouthing off at people who are positive, join the DA Youth league and make something of your life, go on i dare you!

      Joanne - 2012-03-13 19:00

      Mtshezi - you do know that this isn't a soccer match - we aren't supporting different teams and this isn't a game? You, me, Cosatu, the DA - we all stand or fall by whether our people can WORK and EARN. You have to wonder why anyone would sabotage an effort to make it better..

      Arnold - 2012-03-13 19:16

      and who, I might add are making serious inroads into anc(note, no capitals)strongholds as we speak, you box ....talking about alliance parties!!!!

      Penny - 2012-03-13 19:20

      Joanne don't waste your breath, unfortunately Mtshezi doesn't have the brain capacity to comprehend your reasoning. He's been infected by the ANCYL rot and his mind is twisted.

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-13 19:35

      What u are saying right now does not change how disinterested we are in What the DA has to say, n it does not change that Madam's little girl was refused a meeting..... Their ideologies will never make it to the Union Building! If u have a business n don't wana employ Blacks then don't, if u feel this country is filthy just up and leave!!! Coz really u will whine like little girls to no avail... With that being said, Ur attitudes stink... No wonder the DA will never ever emerge victorious nationally!!!

      Leroy - 2012-03-13 20:00

      Bitter white folks see useless money grabbers in government...happy black folks don't care...what could possibly be taken away from them at the end of the day ? South Africa remains a beautiful country...never mind money or starving poor people...even the Rhino's would be happy...

      Tony - 2012-03-13 20:16

      Broo you gotta chip on both sholdas. Hehehehehehehe, and you must be a bitter black folks then, Hehehehehehehe, and talking of Mickey Mouse, when does Jooliass get booted from the revolvingcredit putyy - the ANC?Hehehehehehehe Hopless Doomed ANC Suppotas having a Party.

      Vic - 2012-03-13 20:18

      Maybe he would think more intelligently if his brain was in the right place, instead of in the seat of his pants. Stand up sometime, and give it some air.

      SaintBruce - 2012-03-13 20:50

      Oh , I see that MYLM has shown the true colours: Sexist Racist Oh and a classic SLEEPWALKER! If MYLM actually reads the reports of graft and corruption rampant in the ANC Guv'ment - then it would be apparent that MYLM supports, and maybe actively participates in that CRIME!

      Luc - 2012-03-14 01:06

      Mtshezi Mkhize, I think you would be just as angry about any party that disagrees with your (and ANC's) point of view. You come across as very sexist, racist and angry at the same time and believe you me these qualities are not what Nelson Mandela or all the people who lost their lives for the struggle would enjoy hearing from you. Take a deep breath and try and engage your thoughts in a civil and compassionate way. With respect Brother.

  • Brian - 2012-03-13 18:34

    I would urge all employers who have staff as members of a Cosatu affiliated union, to quote Patrick Craven's words when the union request a meeting with the employer to negotiate wages etc. eg "We see no benefit..in discussing these issues with the union with whom we have fundamental idealogical differences on many issues" It would be interesting to see how they would then react!

      Kenny - 2012-03-13 19:47

      Brian if you really know the Labour Relations Act of the Republic of SA, you wouldn't make such peculiar comment. Employers are obliged to involve unions representing their workers in everything that's affecting those employees. Unless if you wanna tell us something we don't know.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-13 21:39

      Therein lies the problem, Kenny. Unions have become self-serving entities with no respect for their members. Just like the Government.

  • Simnikiwe - 2012-03-13 18:39

    Vavi should have agreed to discuss youth unemployment with the DA. Then steal their ideas and pretend they came from the ANC camp to convince the people that they are serious about fighting unemployment.

      pray4wind - 2012-03-13 18:46

      Is to much of an imbecile to figure that plan out. Why dont you apply and become their strategic planner?

      Simnikiwe - 2012-03-13 18:51

      The people wont realise they are being lied at, they will beleive anything the ANC tells them. It will be the DA's word against the ANC's.

      Kenny - 2012-03-13 19:53

      @Pray4wind...your punctuation skills are also suspicious. "dont or don't" Enlighten us please, the uneducated...

  • Eric Maseko - 2012-03-13 18:50

    Big up to COSATU for refusing to engage with these sell-outs! They also refused to match for the introduction of e-tolling system and banning of labour brokers. Now they want to discuss youth unemployment issue. Both these issues are pivotal to emancipate poverty in the country. To hell with the DA & surely they know whose views they represent & not for the poor people of our country!

      Morne - 2012-03-13 18:56

      I still see the e-tolls and labour brokers! Is Cosatu of any use!?

      Luc - 2012-03-14 00:46

      Eric, for 1 min please forget about the DA. With that said do you believe in having any opposition parties in South Africa? You see the word "Opposition" means someone else having a different opinion or idea as yours and maybe you have built up too much anger about the letters DA and have lost sight of the fact that we ALL want this country to work.I am not necessarily a DA supporter but I can see alot of their logic and love for this country. For that I may just vote for them the next time round as the ANC has not lived up to all their promises. I say this with respect to you and everyone else. Take care Brother..

  • pray4wind - 2012-03-13 18:55

    This is actually very simple! Lindiwe is way to good at debating, even with her intellectual equals. Cosato saw how Lindiwe demolishes the dumb cANCerians in parliament. Vavi is scared, because he isn't the best speaker either. Shame, gotta feel sorry for these sheep? Imagine the 30 000 000 young people in South Africa were all as driven as Lindiwe is to make a success of themselves, instead of living with this sense of entitlement that the ANC has taught them... The possibilities would be endless!

      Kenny - 2012-03-13 20:11

      What is it that we should do "to make a success of themeselves"? Join or vote DA? NOT IN OUR LIFETIME. PERIOD.

      Irene - 2012-03-13 21:18

      Kenny, try doing something for yourself instead of standing with your hands out.

      PeggySven - 2012-03-13 21:40

      @Kenny, with the fact that the CancEr party, that you so idolise, has reduced the average life expectancy of the Black population from 63 in 1994 to less than 48 now, then not long to wait then.

  • Julio - 2012-03-13 18:59

    I think that you don't feel confortable to enter into an intelligent debate with the DA. You have stubborn communist and populist ideas that have never really worked and have gone out of fashion many decades ago.

  • Born - 2012-03-13 19:09

    DA must approah FFP+ and other opposition parties to discuss their programmes.DAis oppossion party which represent the elite,just because their in the same boat with COSSTU in the e-toll saga does not mean they cn be alliance in other issues.why cant they argue this issue on their own?

  • Grant Olivier - 2012-03-13 19:10

    Let me get this straight... So Cosatu opposes this wage subsidy, a policy that would distribute my hard-earned taxes as pocket money to a bunch of inexperienced youngsters for whose labour there is no real underlying economic demand...this policy will open the door to all manner of el cheapo labour abuses by sleazy corporates, undermining the job prospects of experienced workers and breadwinners, all from the very same taxes these people pay in the hope of getting service delivery from government... And Mazibuko thinks Craven

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-13 19:11

    Spot on...vavi is an old dog that knows nothing about transforming the country.

  • George - 2012-03-13 19:14

    Mazibuko, cosatu is an alliance of the ANC. Why would you want to flirt with the union? You are on the opposite side of the fence. either your request was just a prank or you are just plain dumb. I don't see the DA suggesting anything to the benefit of the unemployed. Obviously she thought the alliance is in a crisis therefore it will cause more tension if she meets with vavi. Well tried.

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-13 19:23

      An opportunist hey, they forget tht Vavi n the likes are members of the ANC before being members of their respective Unions... She was put in her place! Nice Vavi...

      Tasmee - 2012-03-13 20:01

      Wow. sad comments here.

      pws69 - 2012-03-13 20:16

      You're a bit on the dumb side then aren't you. The Youth Wage Subsidy is a DA policy adopted by the ANC. Oooh, are you going to stop voting ANC now because they decided to implement a DA policy?

      Tony - 2012-03-13 20:19

      Tasmee - not sad comments, sad people. Some of these clowns dont know when they are being done over. Just enjoy the enthusiasm of their indulgences.

      George - 2012-03-13 22:41

      @Assis Pontes, The DA cannot be the party that cares about the poor. How have they demonstrated that? It is quite clear that the DA is just trying to improve their popularity by being seen to be talking to cosatu. In terms of policy positions, the DA will be best placed to talk to the FFplus or Agriforum. Their policies are not far apart.

  • Vegi - 2012-03-13 19:35

    Why does the DA want to steal credibility by trying to rub shoulders with our democratic establishments. Cosatu is correct to reject the DA's advances with the duly deserved contempt.

      Assis Pontes - 2012-03-13 19:54

      If your esteemed democratic establishments actually did something properly in solving the massive issue of youth unemployment, there would be not need for the DA to be proactive in getting the issue the urgent attention it needs. This might come as a surprise to you but some politians actually give a damn about people, and are active in improving the lives of millions. Unlike many in various gov. Establishments where the concern is just lining their own pockets and continue to show contempt not only to the DA but to the very people who voted for them.

  • Vegi - 2012-03-13 19:38

    DA wants Cosatu to assist it in bringing back apartheid. No such luck. Cosatu should never allow its reputation and good name to be tarnished by sitting on the table with the DA.

      Mantsho - 2012-03-13 19:46

      You can talk rubbish! l wonder your name is Vegetables.

      Carlton Bana - 2012-03-13 20:05

      Give a fool a keyboard and he turns a logical conversation into a fairytale

      Assis Pontes - 2012-03-13 20:08

      \The mark of your ignorance is the depth of your belief in injustice and tragedy.\

      Irene - 2012-03-13 20:12

      Vegi, your comments become more insane by the day. Get help.

      Kenny - 2012-03-13 20:26

      That British accent won't make us change our mind about DA Miss Mazibuko... we need your view as a party regarding the current situation in Mzanzi. Don't tell us to vote DA, show us your policy documents, written in langauages that we can understand and relate to i.e in layman's terms. We can't hear what you're trying to say in that deep English accent. Can you speak Zulu/Xhosa, Afrikaans/Tswana, Pedi/Tsonga, etc? We don't trust you! At leasts Athol Trollip could speak to us in one of our languages.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-13 21:49

      Vegi, if you don't learn to debate like a grown man or woman, or be able to sit around at a table discussing issues - you are soon going to have beg China for veggies. Which they will gladly give you in return for SA's mineral wealth. I an seriously considering that you are a Neander-troll invented by N24.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-13 21:51

      The same goes for you Kenny. And that other Neander-troll from New Zealand. You are all here to stir the pot, while your arses are already in the fire.

  • guy.mullins1 - 2012-03-13 19:51

    Funny, COSATU doesnt mind talking to the wealthy, big business and privileged when they want higher wages for their workers.

  • Mantsho - 2012-03-13 20:12

    l have always believe tha Vavi is a hypocrite, and l will always say this, l dont even understand what he stands for, the unemployment is very high in SA, this is about coming together and help the people especially young ones, it does not matter who you are as long as the people could be helped, this is what Mazibuko is trying to do, but Vavi as long as everything is ok with him and his family he will not care, he is the same as some ANC supporters here on news24,everything is ok with them, they come here and talk rubbish, people need jobs, your party cannot help them, is anthing you can DO!!!

      George - 2012-03-13 22:52

      @Mantsho, You are missing the point. Actually you are naive. Mazibuko is trying to create an impression that she can talk to cosatu when her master has failed. It is just a publicity stunt. This is after the DA thought they were invited to a march last week. They are playing dumb politics. Obviously she knew cosatu was going to decline but it was going to make headlines. SA politics is predictable.

  • pws69 - 2012-03-13 20:18

    COSATUs sole job is to protect 2 million workers. They really doesn't care about the rest. We could have 95% unemployment and they wouldn't care.

  • Tony - 2012-03-13 20:24

    Vavee didnt do the ANC thing when invited to be part of government, peeved the ANCYL off last wednesday (I mean Jooliass was crying all over the media about this), he doesnt want to talk to the DA, the ANC, IFP, .. I think he is just an angry little shop steward these days. Maybe the union subs are too high, or he wants the media attention - who knows - who cares.

  • Vegi - 2012-03-13 20:33

    Mazibuko is not entitled to the huge audience such as the one that Cosatu provides. I even hate her mention of the name Cosatu because by doing so she gets undeserved political milage. She must restrict her vocabulary to rightwing establishents for which she works. She represents retrogression. Our people are not interested in the DA's segregationist agenda.

      Irene - 2012-03-13 20:45

      Vegi ~ Go and have a big juicy steak my girl. You're in desperate need of some protein. The doctors with the white jacket are coming for you.

      Assis Pontes - 2012-03-13 20:45

      The issue is youth unemployment. South Africa has a high unemployment rate where the majority are the youth...so how is solving this issue retrogression and segregationist ?

      Tony - 2012-03-14 06:20

      Mazibuko doesn't DESERVE the audience that Cosatu has! It the COSATU crowd who voted the ANC in and now go on about how useless they are, but worst of all they have made the same mistake 3 times???

  • Godfrey - 2012-03-13 21:06

    So Patrick Craven acknowledge Cosatu and the ANC agree on "fundamental ideological" issues like, increase the gap between elite and workers, interesting,

  • Wayne - 2012-03-13 21:21

    So what the problem is? Afraid you might agree?

  • TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-13 21:54

    Not even engaging in debate makes you a coward, Vavi. Protecting yourself before the elections?

  • Winifred - 2012-03-14 09:00

    With the matric pass rate of 30% who wants to employ and still have to train and pay high wages. No me, thank you. Dont forget if you employ somebody and they are not productive you are stuck with them. Thats why so many people prefer family business and I dont blame them. Sorry to much a headache and who wants that anyhow, life is short enough. Until they set a realistic starting wage and easier terms of employment, sorry Cosatu you can carry the can for all the unemployed. Better to have bread on the table than no bread at all. Allow people to have the dignity of contributing to their families needs than left out feeling it is a cold cold world. When will the unemployed realise that they are being kept out of jobs by COSATU and the ANC who are always at loggerheads. A JOB IS A JOB if you are unhappy then dont take the job or resign this is a supposed to be a FREE WORLD.

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