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Cosatu against taking land without paying

2011-08-25 15:12

Johannesburg - Cosatu supports the need to change the Constitution to bolster land redistribution, but does not support expropriation without compensation, it said on Thursday.

"We are concerned that the willing buyer, willing seller principle has not helped South Africa to achieve what we aimed to achieve to ensure that land is restored to the people," Congress of SA Trade Unions president Sidumo Dlamini said in Johannesburg.

He was speaking after a meeting of Cosatu's central executive committee (CEC).

The CEC decided to call for the amendment of the Constitution to address the property clause.

The ANCYL also made this call earlier this year. It wants land to be expropriated without compensation.

Not the way to go

However, Cosatu believes expropriation without compensation is not the way to go.

"We must mobilise the country behind the demand for more aggressive land and wealth redistribution and show the real dangers of maintaining the status quo," it said in a resolution.

"In this regard, we call for real dialogue among all our people, including with the opposition parties."

Dlamini said Cosatu wanted a more effective method which ensured that land was indeed restored to the people.

Changing the Constitution required that the ANC obtain a two-thirds majority in the next election, he said.

Cosatu reiterated its support for the nationalisation of the mines.

Dlamini also echoed comments by ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe earlier this week, that nationalisation must not be used as a lobbying tool ahead of the ANC's elections.

He said it was a concern when the debate on nationalisation was used to sow division, and to identify those who wanted to lead in the ANC.

Comments
  • Vullis - 2011-08-25 15:16

    Cosatu against taking land without paying................for NOW!

      sganja - 2011-08-25 15:25

      Yes....not to scare others but they do support the call hear me

      Vullis - 2011-08-25 15:32

      Come this time next year, even if Julius and his cronies are kicked out. Zuma will be gone, and Cosatu and them will put who they need in that position and guess what - Malema becomes a minister. Then, and then....

      Together - 2011-08-25 15:33

      Sure, THIS week they're against it. But they are going to start a 'dialogue' about it. Instead of figuring out that farmers can't train up apprentice farmers when they don't know who is going to try and kill them next, getting govt to open more properly-run agriculture colleges, and investigating why current farm projects aren't working to 100% capacity. After a month of 'dialogue' - which means telling everyone what they think and screaming "imperialist rhetoric!" at anyone with a different point of view, Cosatu will suddenly support taking land without payment. We have all seen this pattern with issue after issue.

      Together - 2011-08-25 15:36

      sganja, you're not scaring people - everyone knows how this song goes. They really think that they're fooling everyone, but they are only fooling themselves. And pretty soon, the majority of SA's people will realise that they can't eat land, they don't all want to be farmers, and that businesses are closing down faster and faster - all of this because of angry foolishness instead of wise leadership.

      lewenog - 2011-08-25 16:00

      Ja ne same as the ANC is against nationalisation, only aweek or so ago a report is that they have been investigating this for some time,denying training youths to do their dirty work( The land invation lot!!!)anyone that still believes this deceptions is living in lala land!!

      Netherlands - 2011-08-25 19:56

      When that moment arrives to put their conviction to the VOTE... THEY WILL VOTE THE SAME AS THE REST OF THE SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST UNIT!!!

  • PAR - 2011-08-25 15:19

    I am so sick of working so hard so that everyone can take a piece of the pie while they do nothing.......

      sganja - 2011-08-25 15:26

      Me too

      DW - 2011-08-25 15:29

      sganja, youve been smoking too much of the stuff. You have no idea how to work hard. Now get off the computer and get back to work

      sganja - 2011-08-25 15:38

      Hey Dw I just finished my work I'm now at my house. I leave work whenever I feel to do so.....

      d54 - 2011-08-25 15:40

      Agree. So said Dr Adrian Rogers, 1931. "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it”

      ryn - 2011-08-25 16:35

      So well put, Thanks D54

      info - 2011-08-25 16:43

      They aren't doing nothing - they are breeding.

  • Schalk - 2011-08-25 15:20

    "We must mobilise the country behind the demand for more aggressive land and wealth redistribution..." The mindset behind this single quote incaptulates the majority of the country's problems.

  • mSholozi - 2011-08-25 15:21

    cosatu must agree with the ANCYL

      Tolerant - 2011-08-25 15:24

      Cosatu knows better than the "childrens league".

      Vullis - 2011-08-25 15:25

      aren't they already?

      Pictureof - 2011-08-25 15:26

      Cosatu is happy to grab the levers of power without contesting an election. They do agree with the ANCDUMBYL because they both want everything for free.

      sganja - 2011-08-25 15:26

      Hey mSholozi Cosatu do agree with Ancyl Viva!!

      Together - 2011-08-25 15:39

      Everyone knows that, mSholozi. Everyone knows that Cosatu no longer serves workers, and now only serves some political agenda. If Cosatu cared for workers at all, it would be co-operating to help create plenty of permanent jobs, and would have protested years ago for proper education. It didn't.

      mSholozi - 2011-08-25 15:47

      we need jobs, we need land, the mines will help us

      Vullis - 2011-08-25 15:57

      @mSHOLOZI: and while we are at it, why don't we just take their investments and pension funds. Let's call it Wealth Redistribution

      PAR - 2011-08-25 16:00

      Sure - take the mines and screw those up tooooooooo. This country should be privatising every government run department so that it can compete with other first world countries NOT nationalising

  • Ryan77 - 2011-08-25 15:21

    What do they want??

      Vullis - 2011-08-25 15:24

      Land

      sganja - 2011-08-25 15:27

      And mines

      Vullis - 2011-08-25 15:32

      Maybe they just need some love.

      sganja - 2011-08-25 15:36

      Haha Vullis

      Tolerant - 2011-08-25 15:55

      The problem is that they do not know what they want. They need to learn to make money and save. Some people from Babylon have known this secret for over 4000 years ("The richest man in Babylon") It is a must read if you want to get rich.

      Vullis - 2011-08-25 15:59

      @tolerant. Education is key, trying telling someone at age 35 with a standard 1 certificate that he/she needs Matric and/or a diploma first? Whats easier - taking 20 years to educated or grab it now? If i was that person, i'd grab it now....Woooo ha ha ha ha ha

      mSholozi - 2011-08-25 16:21

      president JM will decide

  • Buic - 2011-08-25 15:25

    YOU CANNOT REDISTRIBUTE LAND

      Vullis - 2011-08-25 15:33

      Why not? You take a spade and give it to your tjommie - redistribution!

      Buic - 2011-08-25 15:39

      @vullis -- think beyond the obvious and if you know the history of this country you will appreciate that you can not redistribute land.

      Together - 2011-08-25 15:41

      or eat it. Unless you really know what you are doing, nothing can impoverish you FASTER than land.

      Vullis - 2011-08-25 15:47

      maybe we can share it, but i want the bigger piece?

  • I Like Everything - 2011-08-25 15:25

    I like this.. Like most people, I prefer receiving payment for my assets.

      Vullis - 2011-08-25 15:33

      I like you.

      Wishbone - 2011-08-25 15:38

      I like receiving an income for doing no work but it's unlikely that this is going to happen to me :( Don't like that!

      Vullis - 2011-08-25 15:47

      I like cookies!

      Tolerant - 2011-08-25 15:56

      That is the only way.

  • Annoy - 2011-08-25 15:26

    COSATU should worry about it's members and not get involved in polotics

      sganja - 2011-08-25 15:36

      Ok

      device - 2011-08-25 15:42

      "polotics"? is that like a new sport or something?

      Grant - 2011-08-25 15:44

      sganja...so we finally know who you work for, cosatu. Nice little gravy filled job enabling you to be home from 'work' halfway through the day, Explains a lot.

      sganja - 2011-08-25 15:53

      @Grant No I work normal hours and I'm working for private company...When my boss is not around I leave early.....

      Vullis - 2011-08-25 16:00

      @sganja - what you need is a fingerprint scanner. That way we can check when you sign in and out!

  • shaunkd - 2011-08-25 15:27

    OK, OK ,OK!!! Give the land back to the people from whom it was stolen in the first place. The Bushmen. The Nguni tribes stole from them, so give it back!!!

      device - 2011-08-25 15:53

      Shaunkd it is important to remember that not all land was stolen from bushmen since Bushmen (or Khoi and San people) never inhabited significant parts of what is called SA today. Luckily modern science and archiology allows us to actually trace the movements and settlements of the bushmen since they cleverly left paintings and other clues about where and when they settled in an area. There is little or no evidence that these groups ever settled in the more eastern and northern parts of what is today referred to as SA, so my question to you is on what basis would you return this land to the decedents of people who never occupied it in the first place?

      shaunkd - 2011-08-25 16:20

      @device - see your point. Went to google and found most San were inhabitants west of the Fish River. So, who did the other land belong to pre-bantu era? I am interested, not being sarcastic?

  • Tolerant - 2011-08-25 15:27

    We must work towards denying the ANC this 2/3's majority in future elections. Luckily the ANCYL leaders problems are helping the opposition.

  • Boxxer - 2011-08-25 15:28

    News 24 typo again... eish!

  • edalsg - 2011-08-25 15:40

    What Exactly do the "people" want the Land for -----it completely mystifies me ??? they are not farmers , cant afford to build on it ?? So WHy --More place to squat ??? The only thing that is wanted is whatever someone else has worked hard for ----Its a pity Brains cant be redistributed !!!!11

      Together - 2011-08-25 15:44

      Apparently, everyone in SA wants to be a farmer. More likely, people are being told that the structures on land will be redistributed - because just land on it's own it a bit pointless, right? Once again, Cosatu thinks everyone is stupid - icluding the workers they 'represent'. Are they sure that all the workers would be happy to sacrifice their jobs in order to become farmers? Or how is it supposed to work?

      PAR - 2011-08-25 16:06

      I guess they have been told that if they get given land they can then get rich by selling it to someone else. It is the same as RDP houses which they get given then they rent while they continue to stay in a shack. Gets the ANC the votes they need. The words Lazy, Greedy, Stupid come to mind

  • Atholl - 2011-08-25 15:49

    For the past 3 years the land expropriation has been deliberately stalled, frustrated and sabotaged by the government in order to create a {Problem}. The more the land owners have made attempts to resolve the {Problem} the more these efforts have been sabotaged. From the {Problem} there now seems to be a {Solution} to the {Problem}. The {Solution} seems to deliberately sidestep the Constitution and the Bill of Rights which deals with the {Problem} in detail. If the current 'voices' have no regard for some of the Constitution as it stands then what about the 'other' portions of the Constitution .... Why not scrap the government and presidency - in favour of a Kingdom. .... Why not scrap the right to life ... in favour of Capital Punishment (death penalty) .... Why not scrap freedom of speech in favour of a muzzled press, and muzzled science. .... Why (cosatu) have protection against slavery and forced labour ? The Constitution applies when it's convenient AND when it's inconvenient. Why not respect the Constitution ... follow the procedure ... set up a Commission of Inquiry to determine the extent of the {problem} ... then use the results to motivate your {solution}. If it turns out that the source of the {problem} lies with the government - then surely they cannot be part of the {solution} if they they created {problem} ??

  • Davearch - 2011-08-25 15:56

    The GOVT owns tons of land .. WHY ARE THEY NOT GIVING IT TO THE LANDLESS to prevent all this frustration ..

  • Rain-Man3 - 2011-08-25 15:59

    Why would they front?? If this happin' it's over for S.A. what these people just gonna say... okay take my land it's all right man don't worry bout' it? Haha my friends...it's going down! they gonna push the whites out S.A. what then...? true freedom...nah the smell of something burning in the air,

  • VELOCITY - 2011-08-25 16:02

    Many years from now when the dust settles and the blood has seeped into the sand, people of the world will say: "We should have seen it coming, we could have prevented the terrible bloodshed in South Africa". This crap is going to turn very ugly very soon.

  • Judy G - 2011-08-25 16:04

    Leave farming to the farmers....not everyone can farm.Farming is hard work and with climate change makes it even harder. Farmers supply the country with food they don't sit back and do nothing. Look at Zimbabwe. They can't feed the people as the people who have just taken land are clue less about farming. They don't even use the land. It is just plain greed!!! Nothing in life is free.

  • Stephan Janse van Vuuren - 2011-08-25 16:04

    Keep your noses out of politics! Go read up on the functions of a trade union.

  • SolomonMagalefa - 2011-08-25 16:05

    It is obvious that the willing buyer/willing seller process has not worked. A simple solution would be to draft legislation that obliges the owner to sell land identified for expropriation (via a means test of course) at the municipal valuation. That way the seller cannot make unreasonable claims and the state gets the land at a fair price.

  • Virginia - 2011-08-25 16:06

    Why do you people even need to comment on this rubbish. I say when they prove that the land is theirs, then give it to them. This country will only become more barren then it is, its their country so what.

  • Agwambo - 2011-08-25 16:08

    Miyeni summed up the thinking of this ANC tripartite. Those whose land is being expropriated, did they pay for it?

  • Neil - 2011-08-25 16:10

    Most confusing statement from COSATU, it is clear that COSATU wants to expediate land distribution. Willing buyer willing seller has not worked therefore we will now follow a will taker and unwilling giver approach. This is getting worse by they day and we will soon have a totally lawless society on our hands. Viva emmigration, Viva Australia.

  • Sharkie - 2011-08-25 16:44

    "In this regard, we call for real dialogue among all our people, including with the opposition parties." Didn't realise Cosatu was a political perty now. Ag shame - give the land back to the people. Lets them all (not that there is actually enough land) have their little plot with their 5 cows and 20 mielie stalks. Shame - so sad we think we line in the 1700's still.....wake up - 21st centuary - big scale commercial farming is the only way you will ever feed this nation!

  • mac-sdi - 2011-08-25 17:04

    changing the constitution does not need anc 2/3 majority. It needs majority of parliament to agree. This notion that everyone in parliament is against every decision put forward by the anc is misguiding the nation. If the come up with legislation we all agree on, then we will all vote in favour (i say we, but you know what i mean)

  • DrunkTshepo - 2011-08-25 17:45

    They have no right to say such thing! My farm waits for me in De Doorns and I am not paying for it. I deserve it because of Apartheid!! These whites must have bribed comrade Dlamini to say such rubbish. Typical of them...always skelm in their way of operating, just like when they stole our land.

  • Nox - 2011-08-25 17:50

    I think land is very important for black people;

  • Anna - 2011-08-25 20:12

    It is just a tool for the coming up elections. And should it happen it will land in the hands of few. Rented out and all expenses at the cost of the lessee

  • Anna - 2011-08-25 20:14

    Just a tool for coming elections. Should it happen it will land up in the possession of a few elite, rented out and the lessee to pay all running expenses.

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  • sjkranenburg - 2011-08-26 03:52

    nationalisation has failed. it will fail again. simple.

  • ANC support - 2011-08-26 06:11

    Agree. So said Dr Adrian Rogers, 1931. "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it”

  • ANC support - 2011-08-26 06:11

    Agree. So said Dr Adrian Rogers, 1931. "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it”

  • ANC support - 2011-08-26 06:11

    Agree. So said Dr Adrian Rogers, 1931. "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it”

  • ANC support - 2011-08-26 06:12

    Agree. So said Dr Adrian Rogers, 1931. "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it”

  • ANC support - 2011-08-26 06:12

    Agree. So said Dr Adrian Rogers, 1931. "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it”

  • eghardt - 2011-08-31 23:29

    The government should not transfer land into the name of the new black owners for a period of say 5 years at least. Keep the land on the government's name, until proven that the land is well developed, then only transfer to the new owner's name. This way, the government can monitor how much of the land is actually being developed and whether it should be recycled to a new possible farmer.

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