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Cosatu blasts govt Iran climbdown

2012-03-24 14:44

Johannesburg - South Africa should stop bowing down to United States imperialism and partaking in blackmail sanctions against Iranian oil exports, the Congress of SA Trade Unions said on Saturday.

"Cosatu demands that the South African government stop this kowtowing to the US imperialists and adopt only policies that are in the best interests of this country and the developing world," said union spokesperson Patrick Craven.

Craven said the sanctions were "justified by unproven allegations by the US and some European states that oil revenues could be used to develop nuclear weapons."

Iran insists its uranium enrichment process is for purely civilian purposes. The sanctions take effect on June 28 and countries that do not comply will have their access to the US banking system cut off.

On Thursday Deputy Foreign Minister Ebrahim Ebrahim botched an announcement that South Africa was reducing oil imports from Iran in compliance with US-led sanctions.

While South Africa imports at least 25% of its crude oil requirements from Iran, Mr Ebrahim announced that the supplies were insignificant. "(To my knowledge), no Iranian oil is flowing into our country. If there is any, it is very little," the Business Day reported him as saying.

Department of International Relations and Co-operation spokesperson Clayson Monyela later confirmed that SA imports more than a quarter of its crude oil from Iran.

Craven said Cosatu was concerned that South Africa's department of energy was talking to the US and other oil suppliers to “investigate options” on its Iranian crude oil imports and on how to respond to the sanctions and not disrupt supplies to the country.

This week Public Protector Thuli Madonsela announced that she would probe allegations that Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe's partner was part of an attempt to solicit a bribe for a United Nation weapon's sanctions busting deal in favour of Iran.

Comments
  • Matthew Patrick - 2012-03-24 14:58

    With the way Iran showcases their military strength & defies the UN you'd be an idiot to think that their nuclear programme is run for peaceful purposes.

      Luviwe - 2012-03-24 15:04

      So those who are hiding their strenth ca have it? mhhh...

      Fred - 2012-03-24 18:25

      What's your point Luviwe? Do you not understand that the Iranian regime is a terrorist organization? Educate yourself before jumping to conclusions.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 01:07

      What does that even mean Patrick? Iran has been hijacked by a self-serving oppressive regime that adjusts elections to stay in power, still favors the stoning of women to death, threatens Israel routinely, and denies the occurrence of the Holocaust such is its level of delusion and chicanery. That you support this regime is consistent with your almost perfect record of being on thd wrong side of right.

      bheki.dingiswayo - 2012-03-26 11:58

      UN does not represent the interest of every country, only few countries want to dictate to others. I think US (Major Sponsor), Russia, China, Britain and Germany. The rest are just????/

      Fred - 2012-03-29 12:55

      Here too you're misinformed. The US is not a major sponsor of the UN. It has ongoing issues with the organization, to the extent of withholding funding for years.

  • Geronimo - 2012-03-24 15:06

    West is best!

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-24 15:10

    Damnit, stop pandering to the US and China.The US is dividing Black cultures by bullying tactics and to think a Black man is at the helm. Once they are done with the Arabs, WHO'S NEXT??

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 15:13

      This is the same lot that came up with the fairy tale"Weapons of mass destruction, BS" Why are those Gypsies the "Bush and Blair show" not facing crimes against Humanity charges. It has been proven in British court how they fabricated so called "Intelligence" to invade a Sovereign state.

      Luviwe - 2012-03-24 15:15

      Re-colonialisation.

      Ben - 2012-03-24 15:16

      The only black I can see in this whole episode is the colour of crude.

      Luviwe - 2012-03-24 15:22

      Ben S it is incomplete if you don't put oil in the end. The west is srewing the rest of us.

      Andres - 2012-03-24 15:24

      Iran's nuclear program has to do with race? OMG... We are a really sad nation. Frikken' colour in EVERYTHING!

      Luviwe - 2012-03-24 15:27

      @Annman a good sense of humour won't do any harm, the way I looked at it.

      Andres - 2012-03-24 15:51

      Indeed. How can you not laugh, otherwise one would get depressed...

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 16:45

      That's the way the US would like to keep it. Look at the way markets are setup, The Europeans and the US have inflated their markets to achieve their selfish lifestyles whilst the 3rd world remained 3rd world and now the world is in recession due to these Capitalist failings even with all the rules in their favour. damn these fools we should not follow them over the cliff. if only the Arabs reach consensus and ask for all Oil to be paid for in Euros. Then you will see the US house of cards fall and fall it will!!!

      Fred - 2012-03-24 18:25

      Bluzulu, you're seriously confused

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-03-24 19:45

      @Patrick, You are a perpetual LIAR, are these not your words: ""The world would be a better place if Jews were removed from all walks of life""

      Africa21stcentury - 2012-03-24 20:56

      Patrick, Wat are you talking about...., me insulting you...? I just reminded what you said, only a few days ago!! You just spew out HATRED 24/7 !!!!!!!! And you obvious mean; " I HAD friends living in Tel Aviv ( "smart" move to have deleted an earlier commment, cause that clearly showed you are nothing but a bullsh.tter !!! )

      Fred - 2012-03-25 01:12

      What does that even mean bluzulu? You make no sense and therefore your views are completely irrelevant.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 01:14

      Luviwe, there you go. The old comfy coat of victimhood. Are you nice and cozey in it, don't have to think much or change?

      Fred - 2012-03-25 01:21

      Geez Patrick, you can lie through your teeth. It's there on the Israel threads for all to see.

      Luviwe - 2012-03-25 01:31

      @Fred I was responding to what next they are going to do? I'm no victim of anything as we speak, but this one I can see it miles away. Ansa this, Why must they threaten SA with sanctions if it does not do as they say? remember, re-clonialisation won't happen physically this time.

      Elton - 2012-03-25 19:18

      bluzulul, being a third world country is not the west's fault. Jeezuz man.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 19:22

      Grow up, grow a pair, drop the inferiority complex and the pseudo-victimhood and take a stand against oppressive, chauvinistic regimes wherever they are, as the freer world is doing. Stand together or they'll still be there in the morning, stoning women, funding terrorism, adjusting elections, oppressing their populations, and abusing Palestinians.

  • Assis - 2012-03-24 15:12

    The fact is the US is a powerful nation. Until SA is as powerful as the US then we have no business in prescibing to the US. So maybe Cosatu can help SA achieve more productivy in the work place than the US and we have a chance on being as powerful as the US.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 15:24

      BS , We are a sovereign nation and don't have to bow down to anyone. Who helped us get freedom in RSA....yea that's right the Communist. The West stood around watching dictators do their dirty work for them.

      Ben - 2012-03-24 15:26

      Not even their own allies take COSATU seriously. Have they achieved anything by their mass action. The A.N.C. did not take notice as they are just using them for votes. Vavi you have lost your touch.

      Inquista - 2012-03-24 15:58

      @bluzulu Where are those commy countries today? - rmember that China was never involved, only the USSR and its eastern european satelites and its other puppet Cuba.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 16:37

      @ Inquista, read my post carefully.....The communists helped us achieve democracy, that is the fact. Where they are today does not concern me. What this does demonstrate is the US ability to manipulate issue to their benefit.

      Fred - 2012-03-24 18:26

      Bluzulu, you have a BIG chip on your shoulder.

      Sidney Gilroy - 2012-03-24 18:27

      Neither the communists nor the ANC Struggle liberated South Africa. Western intervention did. If not for the US and western money - Mandela would still be on Robben Island. Gospel.

      Assis - 2012-03-24 19:27

      @ Bluzulu...the apartheid gov. used to bark on almost the same words " We are a sovereign nation and don't have to bow down to anyone." But regardless of the more the things change the more they stay the same...South Africa can take the high road and then be in a position not to bow down to anybody, but for that we need leaders like the calibre of Obama, Clinton...and show a new way on how to do things.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 19:38

      @ Fred, The chip of Truth, @ Assis....CLINTON..give me a break

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 19:44

      @ Sidney...Are you gonna deny the facts have a read of this ...http://www.marxists.org/subject/africa/shivji/struggle-democracy.htm this covers all of Africa including RSA however do you want to deny the existence of SWAPO and the MK who were all funded aided and trained by the Communist....Please next discussion ,

      Assis - 2012-03-24 20:24

      @ Bluzulu...Bill Clinton loved to take a break whilst in office with Monica and Hillary Clinton takes no break in working around the clock as Secretary of State...both are remarkable achievements.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 20:43

      Not Bill...never Bill Can't get that image of his cigar in the mouth scene, Disturbed individual is Bill,

      Sidney Gilroy - 2012-03-24 20:43

      Oh my. Any man who quotes Marx is about 30 years behind the rest of the world. Capitalism and Communism does not exist anymore and has largely been abondened. The financial system followed today does not even have an official name yet, it is so new. It is a mix of socialism and capitalism with pseudo-democracy as it's aim. It is a system that is guided by necessity to maintain stability and includes social intervention across borders. Little is know about it and we are learning as we go...veering away from the cliffs of complete financial and social collapse. There is only one god in this new world - and his name is Dollar.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 21:12

      Man, you bring it by the truckload mate, Geez. Read your comment or do you know what you are typing ? 'Neither the communists nor the ANC Struggle liberated South Africa.' I corrected this lie Western intervention did. If not for the US and western money - Mandela would still be on Robben Island. Gospel Here's another lie ,Heres the facts Us investment almost doubled after the Sharpeville massacre and continued to grow till they were forced to go the route of sanctions towards the end of the process. Do you for one second think that the US got up one morning after some divine intervention and decided RSA was a corrupt government. They were not aware all this time before? C'mon mate...next discussion.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 21:15

      No more of this fantasy stuff to indoctrinate yourselves into thinking they way yous are , The facts are available.

      sidney.gilroy - 2012-03-24 23:06

      @bluzulu. What currency is accepted in almost every African country...in fact...almost in every country in the World ? The Dollar my friend. Wake up and smell the coffee. You are living in the past and as long as you walk around with the mentality of fighting to replace capitalism with communism...you are exactly in the little box where they want you. Because both ideologies are myths. Like I said...30 years behind the rest of the world.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 01:23

      Bluzulu grow up. You're being a weakling with a BIG inferiority complex.

      Jaba - 2012-03-25 02:10

      The West liberated South Africa. Russia and the Arab world wanted us to have war in SA (just look at how Russia toils with the Middle East - they all killing each other there... killing using Russian artillery.) Lucky for us, Madiba didnt want violence and with the help of the EU, US and FW, we all libereated SA

      bluzulu - 2012-03-25 08:15

      Lies Lies Lies, You old fools have never had spines cos theh US was there. You Nuts even discard the facts with this US BS. You people are just on the forums to keep people uneducated. Like I said earlier , It's like you are US agents spreading your lies and dysfunctional logic. This will be the last time I entertain you folk. I will however continue to posts the truth to ensure my fellow RSA have at least heard the TRUTH>

      Jaba - 2012-03-25 11:38

      bluzulu you can live your lie. we will live in truth

      Fred - 2012-03-25 19:23

      You keep referring to drugs Patrick. Are you using?

  • Hermann - 2012-03-24 15:21

    Ach shame poor COSATU they have lost the plot, but not enriching themselves at the expense of their members.

  • Marcus - 2012-03-24 15:38

    Iran has does nothing wrong, America has done everything wrong. They want war with Iran, Iran has a right to have nuclear energy.. they have allowed inspection of their nuclear power stations yet still America imposes sanctions on them which is an act of war, pushing up the price of oil for the rest of the world and then they force other countries like South Africa to impose sanctions against Iran by threatening us with sanctions. How do you respect a country like that? America is more a threat to world peace than Iran is.. you just have to look at how many countries they have invaded and how many innocent civilian lives have been lost in avoidable wars. Switch off fox news/cnn and think for yourselves. Watch real footage of the effects of war on iraq and afghanistan and every country America has invaded under false pretences, Cosatu is right

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 15:42

      Well said mate,

      Luviwe - 2012-03-24 15:58

      I like the thought of switching off of BBC and CNN and think for yourself. Museveni is a dictator in Uganda, what are they doing? nothing. Why? no oil which happen to be black in colour and that guy dances to their tune.

      Fred - 2012-03-24 18:28

      Thankfully the people who know what is really happening are the ones making the decisions. You're totally out of touch with what is going on, and who the Iranian regime, distinct from the Iranian people, are. Marcus, Bluzulu and Luviwe, the three of you have no clue.

      Luviwe - 2012-03-24 19:01

      I would love to hear from you what is it fred. But if you look in all the wars that the USA is involved in there a smell of a crude oil. Don't go far just 30year till today.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 19:46

      Try a better argument cos' personal jab was of no value

      Fred - 2012-03-25 01:26

      Luviwe, you have to look through other than child's eyes to see a bigger picture.

      Luviwe - 2012-03-25 01:48

      Again Fred give me the adult's so that I see the bigger picture. People like you makes me miss our former president Thabo Mvuyelwa Mbeki who was able to stand up to the west, not a yes baas president. Anyway I doubt you will bring the eyes you are talking about as I would like to see the bigger picturer as you see it.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 19:26

      Truly you have an inferiority complex. And Mbeki does too. He's still negotiating with Mugabe who's killing, detaining and torturing Africans under your and his nose, and stealing elections. This is the Africa you're standing for. No wonder the world hardly pays attention and invests in it, other than for raw materials out of necessity.

      Luviwe - 2012-03-25 20:47

      Fred if standing up for what is right is inferiority, I wash my hands.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 21:10

      Your inferiority lens makes the wrong thing appear right.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-24 16:02

    We don't need the U.S. to tell us what to do. BTW : "Partake" in food or drink. "Participate" in activity.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 01:27

      Grow up

  • Vuyo - 2012-03-24 16:05

    I support Cosatu on this one . The US has been the greatest exporter of terrorism in the world .They supported Savimbi and the CIA trained Bin Laden and AL Qaeda fighters . SA should look after it's own interest .

      Fred - 2012-03-24 18:29

      This is simple and immature thinking

      Luviwe - 2012-03-24 19:05

      Fred remain in denial without puting an argument. Vuyo you are right those are all products of USA and there's oil that smell in all that.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 01:28

      You're both misinformed and being stupid.

      Luviwe - 2012-03-25 02:05

      Uyanya lomlungu ngoku. Being so clever, what is the right information. You don't bring any substance. Are you working for CIA? Your kind makes me want to support minister Cwele on his bill although we will suffer from information blackout. This must be clear to you, I can not compromise the soverignity for SA so as to be clever in your ryes. Hurl more insults I'm waiting.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 19:46

      That's not an insult. It's an opinion. I think you're misinformed and being stupid. I don't think you are stupid.

      Luviwe - 2012-03-25 20:46

      Thank you Fred as expected.

  • Sidney Gilroy - 2012-03-24 16:22

    Hey dips%&t. Africa as a WHOLE contributes 1.8 % of world GDP. Best you fall back in line. When the big boys talk...listen.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 16:43

      That's the way the US would like to keep it. Look at the way markets are setup, The Europeans and the US have inflated their markets to achieve their selfish lifestyles whilst the 3rd world remained 3rd world and now the world is in recession due to these Capitalist failings even with all the rules in their favour. damn these fools we should not follow them over the cliff. if only the Arabs reach consensus and ask for all Oil to be paid for in Euros. Then you will see the US house of cards fall and fall it will!!!

      Fred - 2012-03-24 18:30

      Bluzulu, you seriously have no idea how the world financial system works. What on earth are you talking about. You're making a fool of yourself.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 19:52

      No . I'm not . If you are as half as educated as you claim to be ,I'm sure you have the means to find this for yourself or you know it to be true.27% of the US traded dollar currency is due to Oil payment. Do you know whats happens to an Organization when one day they lose 27% of their revenue that stabilizes their currency , It's Catastrophic. Please don;t deflect the facts

      Fred - 2012-03-25 01:30

      You're in massive pseudo-victim. You have to grow up, grow a pair, then you'll see a bigger, more accurate picture. Right now you're way off.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-25 08:19

      @ Fred, Once more when you see facts to turn to personal insults. You are an uneducated dropkick and I will never comment on your Shyte again. I will continue to post the truth even if the indoctrinated like yourself continue to question it , who cares. Many are seeing an acceptable alternative.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 19:48

      That alternative is free of pseudo-victimhood and delusional lies.

  • rowan.maulson - 2012-03-24 17:12

    Cosatu need to learn about global economics... Yay, lets import oil from Iran, and then get economic sanctions imposed on us by the states... will be GREAT for our economy. Numbnuts.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 17:21

      Don't be a wuss, Remember the Eighties when the world sanctioned RSA not only did we survive we prospered(Actually the government at the time prospered)...Lesson here the US realizes RSA will always have markets to sell our wares....checkout this site (http://www.southafrica.info/about/416221.htm#mining)..educate yourself then you will remove that inferiority complex you obviously suffer with.

      Fred - 2012-03-24 18:33

      Bluzulu, you're living in a parallel reality. Sanctions had a massive impact on the Apartheid regime. Plus, SA is hardly on the radar in the US. It doesn't even feature. This is one of our government's main failures.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-24 20:01

      Fred, You sound like some US agent workin on the inside ,bringing us down Bro, It's now a global market , It is no longer just the US. Check this out and tell me that other markets won;t deal with RSA. They have no choice we have it all here,You can't do shyte without alloy and thats what we got up to 80% of the world's supply. Thats just a single item there is lots more check out the site. (http://www.southafrica.info/about/416221.htm#mining) Our currency rose during sanctions so there is your other argument blown away and sanctions what sanctions exports continued to rise during the sanctions. They were stil exporting just under some other entities name. Fred , do you think we are stupid?

      Fred - 2012-03-25 01:34

      More pseudo-victimhood from you bluzulu. Throw off those lenses and see the truer world. The US isn't plotting against you. You're undermining the wrong forces, the ones that gave you the computer you're expressing yourself on, the car you drive, the plane you fly in, the lights you switch on in your house, the phone and cell phone you use, the vote you cast. What are you thinking man. You're undermining yourself and don't even know it.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-25 08:22

      I see every factual item irritates you so much that you are lowered once again to personal attacks. Feel free seems like this is part of your character. Never again will I waste my time with you. Comment as much as you want on my Post, Go for it. The angrier you get the more facts are out there. Good luck FRED.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 19:51

      They're not attacks. They're observations of your frame of mind. And I'm not angry.

      Lanfear - 2012-03-26 08:43

      @ bluzulu - just exactly how did SA "prosper" during the 1980s sanctions? The economy was a false economy and was failing, one of the main reasons for the fall of apartheid. Perhaps you should study some history, neh. @ Fred - please don't pretend that the US is the sole provider of technology, that is just blind. And secondly, China is actually SA's biggest trading partner.

  • Ryan - 2012-03-25 01:32

    despite all what us or israel a do iran, a great large country of science, iran will succeed inevitably. those who say we do not want a nuclear Iran, change planet!!!!!! because its going to happend inevitably

      Fred - 2012-03-25 20:26

      You can have nuclear technology for energy,?and that's it. Go any further and you're toast.

  • Ryan - 2012-03-25 01:33

    a great country large of science like iran, will succeed all experts and millitary including in us army agree on it. those who say we do not want a nuclear Iran, change the planet!

      Fred - 2012-03-25 20:27

      You'll soon be on another planet "Ryan" if you cross that line

  • Jaba - 2012-03-25 01:57

    So when the US/EU boycotted SA cause of apartheid it was ok? but now when Iran is threatening other nations while trying to build THE bomb we mustn't boycott... how short our memories are. We are part of a global village and as such need to act like it. Its not just the EU or Israel that is scared of a nuclear Iran, its also Saudi, Oman, United Arab Emirates and Qatar. Cosatu must fight the toll gates and stop waisting their time on global issues that they don't seem to be able to grasp. South Africa yet again is found lacking in leadership. Now Cosatu wants to stand up for & reward a country that gives NO freedom to its people, a country the stones women to death for being raped, a nation that says gays don't exist cause every time they find they hang them. a country that gives no freedom of religion to Christians, Buddhists, Hindu and Jews. Cosatu is a clear reflection of our education system - plain stupid.

      Luviwe - 2012-03-25 02:15

      If SA feels morally obliged to impose sanctions on iran no problem, but not to be blackmailed with sanctions and even these nukes they are talking about are not proven that exist. Remember WMD in Iraq, where are they today and how is Iraq today?

      Jaba - 2012-03-25 02:26

      WMD in Iraq was one reason to attack... so later it was discovered that they were wrong, so what?... you easily forget that Iraq invaded Kuwait and was threatening to go to war with Saudi Arabia because they wanted their oil. Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of Kurds using chemical weapons... so to believe he had WMD was not that far off. only the anti-west crowd continuously bring up the WMD story cause the US got it wrong once... I say whatever because now the Iraqi people are free and don't have to fear a dictator that would hang them in the soccer stadium for sneezing when he walked past. democracy is freedom. I will always defend democracy. Iran is a religiously fundamentalist totalitarian state - not that far off the Nazis of the 1940's

      Luviwe - 2012-03-25 02:38

      Still not true, WMD was just a ploy not a reason. It was neva about the people of Iraq but about the oil. Look at the companies from the US that had contracts afterwards to pump the oil from that country. Iraq was wrong by invading Kuwait for it's oil reserves hence US made sure that does not succeed and the arab league remain indebted to them. Just a question, is not that colonialisation in a way? Two wrongs don't make it right. What assures you now that they got it right? West cannot be trusted where there's oil, they had proven that.

      Jaba - 2012-03-25 03:19

      It was NOT a ploy once a dog always a dog! Hussein was internationally known for his use of chemical weapons in the 1980s against Iranian and Kurdish civilians during and after the Iran–Iraq War. It is also known that in the 1980s he pursued an extensive biological weapons program and a nuclear weapons program, though no nuclear bomb was built. in 1991 the USA attacked Iraq, while doing so they destroyed most of their capabilities... no one knew if Saddam built more chemical weapons in 2001 & 2002 however, after the aftermath of so much violence by Saddam no one in the western world care to wait to find out. prevention is better than cure. and the same goes for Iran. Iran might or not be building a nuclear bomb - however the fact that they constantly threaten other UN members with annihilation is enough to warrant a strike at most, or sanctions at least. you don't have to support this move as your life is not in clear and present danger, however, the people of Saudi, Kuwait, Oman, UAE, US, Israel Germany, France, UK Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal etc etc is in danger, and as such sanctions must be placed until such a time as intelligence services world -wide could agree that an Iranian nuclear missiles will not be directed at the part of the world that Iran doesn't seem to like.

      Jaba - 2012-03-25 03:19

      China has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. Russia has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. USA has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. France has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. Israel has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. UK has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. Pakistan has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. India has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation

      Fred - 2012-03-25 20:59

      Luviwe, the US has been awarded all of ONE oil contract in Iraq.

      Luviwe - 2012-03-25 21:07

      That is exactly what galvanised them to war.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 21:19

      Wrong again. After 9/11 there was a clear shift in US foreign policy. A fundamental decision was made to take the fight to the Islamic Jihadists and their funders. That's it. The popular, uneducated, misinformed, stupid, reductionist belief is that Iraq was about oil.

      Luviwe - 2012-03-25 21:35

      Again 9/11 gave them an excuse hence that was already on the cards even during Bill Clinton's time on the White house.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 22:22

      You call it an excuse. I think the more informed view is that it was an understandable mistake after the trauma of 9/11. I think we've all reacted wrongly under similar conditions. But that does not make the US directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis from suicide attacks and car bombs carried out by Islamic Jihadists. That's a crazy, immature, ignorant, irresponsible, blaming notion.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 22:39

      Why don't you focus on the threat to US oil supplies and the direct increase in the price of oil and petrol this noble stand creates for the US, in recessionary times?

      Reehaz - 2012-03-26 15:22

      jaba is there any proof that they bulding ur so called "bombs" ??????????

  • Lenzi - 2012-03-25 04:06

    @ Fred I have recently come back from Iran, not for any other purpose but to rather see for myself...They are civilized people.. I was shocked as I did not expect this. They still have family values which sadly the west can only remember! They have their own laws some harsher than others but who am I to judge! Divorce rates, crime, adolescent derelicts seemed to be at a minimum.. Stoning, yes it happens but then again so does the electric chair, which would you choose? We all have internal problems, USA no different from Iran, Israel or South Africa, but as the proverb goes, dirty laundry is best washed by ones own family.. NATO has been bullying the world for the better part of my whole life all under the pretext of humanitarian agendas... but are we so foolish to believe another one again? Iran (no weapons of mass destruction found just lots of oil) Afghanistan (before at least the production of heroin was under control, but now supply has increased ten fold into Europe and USA). Vietnam (I went there a while back, I just remember seeing dismembered people everywhere.) Libya (currently ruled by crime lords, Tripoli is completely flattened.) Is this all better for the people in those countries? To have a foreign power come “save them” by bombing them back into the stone age??

      Fred - 2012-03-25 22:31

      It's an immature and faulty question to ask. Nato's targets are entirely military and aimed at those who are brutal, unelected dictators that promote terror and carry out their threats.

      wgjooste - 2012-03-26 14:53

      @fred , if the targets are military then please explain why so many civilians died from bombs ? If you only knew how many innocent people gets shot in Afghanistan because some american soldier sits hundreds of meters away uses special equipment to detect movement or body heat and then pulls the trigger , ive spoken to a few soldiers that did tours in iraq and Afghanistan they said that they wished they could see their enemy , all they did was just shoot in areas where they thought people were. Ive seen footage of a helicopter shooting down a guy getting out a car , going to the boot taking out a bag... the pilot said there is weapons in the bag and the car was blasted... he got out to get his sons school bag who was also in the car... Go look up American snipers using bait... they place weapons in the road and if someone picks it up or goes close they get shot.... Afghanistan is pregnant because America didn't pull out in time when they f%^$%d her

  • Lenzi - 2012-03-25 04:07

    You are on a witch hunt for terrorist blood.. It seems Orwell was right after all. war is peace, for some. Israel also needs to be held accountable for her nuclear weapons. It is believed Israel holds between 75 and 400 nuclear weapons but no official count has ever been made. This worries me that the world is totally silent about Israels nuclear arsenal nor are they prepared to follow international IAEA requirements regarding them and nobody ushers a word.. Especially from a country that treats the Palestinians the way they do…. What a dishonor to the Jewish victims of WW2…. And Fred.. To use the holocaust so cheaply, to just throw it out of nowhere like some kind of race card tells me something about your character, by the way. P.S apologies to the editor for the lengthy reply.

      Jaba - 2012-03-25 11:18

      China has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. Russia has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. USA has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. France has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. Israel has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. UK has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. Pakistan has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation. India has nuclear weapons - however they do not threaten any nation with annihilation

      Jenny - 2012-03-25 19:27

      Wow Patrick! You really are one of those ignorant armchair experts in politics. Well and good but really wish you wouldn't post on public sites. "Just by having nuclear weapons, a country is threatening annihilation of another". WTF?

      Fred - 2012-03-25 20:36

      When your ass is blown up by Islamic terrorists, your wife is stoned to death, and your computer taken away, it'll be too late to wake up. Israel is threatened almost daily by the UNELECTED dictators of the Middle East who deny the existence of the Holocaust, the single biggest attempt at human genocide in the history of humankind. This is what you're blinding yourself about, and who you're supporting. Israel is being attacked virtually daily. Her actions and nuclear capability are entirely defensive.

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-25 11:24

    True dat...petrol is starting to make holes in our pockets, and we are busy suspending oil that we could easily negotiate a lower price with...

  • Andrew - 2012-03-25 14:43

    Mr Craven its ironic that you supporting a country with no human rights and where there is no equal opportunity

      Fred - 2012-03-25 20:31

      Craven is a Communist. Literally. Imagine that, in 2012.

  • Luviwe - 2012-03-25 20:56

    I don't understand the US's obsession with muslim states not have nukes whilst Israel has got loads of them and the violence it had been in continuing to inflict on it's neghbours, sorry occupied land.

      Fred - 2012-03-25 21:33

      It's good that you admit your confusion. Confusion is a powerful thing. It can lead to the roght answer. The obsession is yours and it's an anti-US one. Israel is threatened and attacked almost daily by the UNELECTED dictators of the Middle East who are using the Palestinians to distract their populations from their disenfranchised state. Israel is the external enemy they need. These dictators also fund Jihadists that kill and maim innocent civilians the world over, mainly Muslim ironically and tragically. It is entirely right to deny them nuclear weapons. But if you continue with your obsession and ignorant generalizations, and your pseudo-victimhood, you'll continue to miss what's really going on.

      Reehaz - 2012-03-26 15:33

      fred please tell us who attacks israel daily??????????????????

      Fred - 2012-03-29 13:01

      The Palestinians, incited by the unelected dictators of the region. Don't you know this?

  • Hadebe - 2012-03-25 23:10

    I am sure if the usa say to zuma, scrap the e tolling, he will comply with no fuss at all, wish we all vote for the usa, after all they have the final say here. but zuma will take no such nonsense, he will just sing and dance for us, and afterwards, for everything we want from him, he will tiptoe to his master and ask if he can do it or not. tjo comrade zuma!!!

  • Fidel - 2012-03-26 08:20

    The SA government fall right at the feet of their intl manipulators. This country doesn't deserve the honour of being included in BRIC trading block as it has no backbone. All the BRIC countries have told the US to get lost and will be using a basket of currencies to trade with Iran.

      Fred - 2012-03-29 13:02

      Agains, shows how much you know about the world economy. What would happen to China if it told the US to get lost, as you put it? What would happen to your own money? Ever thought of that?

  • Travis - 2012-03-26 14:31

    First time I agree with COSATU! However, if there is proof of uranium enrichment or WMD's in Iran (which were never found in Iraq either), then by all means we need to impose strict sanctions. But until that day arrives we as SA should continue using Iranian oil. Expensive oil = high inflation = higher interest rates = debt

  • Reehaz - 2012-03-26 14:33

    i think that the USA are are bunch of aholes who think they can bully who they want to.if you look at iraq,the whole war was about nuclear weapons that have not been found up to this day.people lived better with a so called dictator than now with these idiots there.

      Fred - 2012-03-29 13:06

      You have an anti-US OCD and know little about Iraq under Saddam Hussein. Saddam declared war on Iran, that cost the lives of ONE MILLION people, gassed thousands of Iraqi kurds, detained and tortured tens of thousands more, invade Kuwait FOR THE OIL, and his sons ran amuck killing, terrorizing and raping. In addition, Islamists in YOUR midsts are responsible for the killing of hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, African and elsewhere. Why don't you say anything about them?

  • Msika - 2012-03-26 14:41

    Cosatu is right on this one, the US and the west are using us to fulfil their own personal propagandas. Now that they are incharge of Iraq's oil reserves, they want to take over iran's using the same "nuclear weapons" strategy they used to oust the Saddam hussein govt in Iraq. Its unfortunate for SA the we rely heavely on the US and the west such tht if we dnt comply with these, we'll hve to take the "high way"...and as much as you folks cn argue/drag about about it, u all know that the high way will not do any of us any good at all...

      Fred - 2012-03-29 13:08

      You too are misinformed. The US and West, as you put it, are not in charge of Iraq's oil reserves. Where on earth did you get this idea from? Plus, do you have any idea what "Saddam Hussein's Government" if you can call it that, did to Iraqi's and Iranians and Kuwaitis?

  • mahierd - 2012-03-26 15:03

    Cosatu is looking out in our interests here. Do you research, SA news agency provide very limited info in the Iran issue. Iran has agreed to follow regulation by the IAEA, a UN orgnisation for nuclear research. Iran has allowed a delegation to their nuclear facilities. No Nuclear weapons found. Israel is paranoid and firmly believes Iran has nuclear weapons. They used there power to convince the US to assist in a war against Iran. US government were not convince and agreed to try and resolve this diplomatically. Israel wasn't happy and blackmailed the US. US then said they with apply sanction on other nations (17) and cut the flow of money to Iran. SA is under this financial sanction and we are puppets to follow the US orders. RT News reports that Crude Oil price could increase by 30%. Israel blackmails US, US blackmails the world, the whole world suffers financially. Israel on the other hand refuses to follow any regulations by the IAEA for nuclear weapons. Iraq was attacked for nuclear weapons, no weapons found. Free your mind, stop believing what the TV feeds you. Do your own research. Cosatu is only trying to help with the fuel price here. Would we prefer ridiculously high fuel prices instead? Lets judge this case individually and see what they are trying to do here.. save our fuel price!

      Fred - 2012-03-29 13:12

      You're distorting facts to support your own preconceived beliefs. The IAEA has clearly stated Iran is hiding information and access to two key nuclear facilities. The rest of what you say is a personal anti-US and anti-Israel diatribe without any regard for the actual knowledge of who the Iranian regime, distinct from the Iranian people, is and what they do. .

      Lanfear - 2012-05-11 14:10

      @ fred.fraser.12 - although I don't agree with mahierd's paranoid "Israel blackmailed the US" and all that, it IS true that Israel has never admitted to their nuclear programme and stockpiled weapons, and have always refused flat out to allow any IAEA officials into the country. So why should Iran do so? Do YOU actually know what the Iran government does or not? The US claims evidence that Iran is funding terrorists with their oil money, but yet again, as in Iraq, none of this has been proven. The US and the IAEA claim that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, again nothing has been proven for years now. And why, may I ask, can the Iran government NOT have nuclear weapons? Do you really think they are so stupid that they will start a nuclear war which they can't possibly win? Who is the US and Security Council to decide who may or may not have nuclear power or nuclear weapons? They allowed India and Pakistan to have these, even though they are far more volatile than Iran. All this is a ploy and play-off between Iran and the US in a political and propaganda war between ideologies and ways of life. And we sit in the middle and pay our butts off for petrol!

  • Msika - 2012-03-26 15:19

    Cosatu is right on this one, the US and the west are using us to fulfil their own personal propagandas. Now that they are incharge of Iraq's oil reserves, they want to take over iran's using the same "nuclear weapons" strategy they used to oust the Saddam hussein govt in Iraq. Its unfortunate for SA the we rely heavely on the US and the west such tht if we dnt comply with these, we'll hve to take the "high way"...and as much as you folks cn argue/drag about about it, u all know that the high way will not do any of us any good at all...

      Fred - 2012-03-29 13:13

      You too are misinformed. The US and West, as you put it, are not in charge of Iraq's oil reserves. Where on earth did you get this idea from? Plus, do you have any idea what "Saddam Hussein's Government" if you can call it that, did to Iraqi's and Iranians and Kuwaitis?

      Allstar - 2012-03-29 13:29

      Actually, all Sa's petrol comes from Sasol. The only reason for importing oil is to produce Aviation Fuel. The Specifications of which are dictated by Lloyds.(Oil & Fuel). Wrong specs = no insurance. So Sasol produces fuel and charges according to oil prices!!! Golden Goose.

  • Gerald - 2012-03-26 21:57

    I hear all arguments here raised but 1 thing startles me...if the US assumes credibility to dictate practices of international etiquette why is it then it doesn't subject itself to the international criminal court, of which it is a big sponsor? I mean if they did submit themselves and they moved erroneously (eg: Irag invasion) then they can be tried....just a thought

      LongSword - 2012-03-26 22:08

      I'll give u my thoughts as my answer to ur thoughts, the US thinks they're the ruler of us all. They know how to play the blackmail-game, if u r immune to it, u get killed(Gaddaffi), discredited(the Kony dude found wanking in public but can't remember it - mind controlled if u ask me) or ex-communicated(plenty of African n South American leaders). Most of this can't be proven coz proof is what they tell us is and the change/bend rules when it suites them(plenty of evidence to prove that). Call it conspiracy theory or what u may but common sense can't be denied no matter how uncommon it may seem.

      LongSword - 2012-03-26 22:08

      I'll give u my thoughts as my answer to ur thoughts, the US thinks they're the ruler of us all. They know how to play the blackmail-game, if u r immune to it, u get killed(Gaddaffi), discredited(the Kony dude found wanking in public but can't remember it - mind controlled if u ask me) or ex-communicated(plenty of African n South American leaders). Most of this can't be proven coz proof is what they tell us is and the change/bend rules when it suites them(plenty of evidence to prove that). Call it conspiracy theory or what u may but common sense can't be denied no matter how uncommon it may seem.

      Fred - 2012-03-29 13:15

      The ICC does not prosecute countries; it persecutes individuals.

      Fred - 2012-03-29 13:16

      What on earth are you talking about Longsword?

  • Martin - 2012-05-11 12:36

    Dear Patrick Why dont you stop talking through your neck about the middle East??? There are 2 main problems in the middle east. 1) Most Arab countries are ruled by autocrats who are not accountable to their people. 2) These autocrats launched five wars against the state of Israel since 1948. Each time they got their little pink asses kicked and then ran to the United Nations to get their land back. Apart from that, its all Israel's fault,moron. MM

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