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Cosatu slams DA over labour brokers

2012-05-04 08:24

Johannesburg - The Democratic Alliance is welcome to march against the Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) to promote labour broking, the federation's general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi said on Thursday.

"You have to think about the real class battles. That is why I said on Twitter... to the DA, fine you can come march on Cosatu's head office and tell us that this [labour broking] is ok," he said.

"Come tell us that this rate of casualisation [of employees] is something we must not struggle against. Come tell us that we shouldn't fight against labour brokers."

Vavi was speaking at the launch of a new edition of unionist and stalwart Emma Mashinini's autobiography, Strikes have Followed me all my Life, in Johannesburg. Mashinini was one of the founding members of Cosatu.

'Cowards and opportunists'

Vavi said the DA would never understand what it would be like to be a young black woman who earned a minimum wage.

"The people who will receive your memorandum is not us [Cosatu] who happens to speak on behalf of workers, but it will be the workers themselves," he said.

"Our message to cowards and to the opportunists in the DA is to come march to us and tell us that half a loaf is better than no bread at all.

"Come tell us that we must tolerate these conditions, because you are not wearing that shoe yourself."

He said the march would disrespect the rights and the freedom that workers had "toiled for" during apartheid.

"The union that Ma Emma founded and pioneered is today most viciously attacked by casualisation and labour broking," Vavi said.

"To make this situation even worse, the face of casualisation is predominantly the black working class youth that is employed by labour brokers.

"This means that although a lot has changed, the revolutionary road still remains a long and thorny one that only genuine activists and revolutionaries can endure," he said.

Cosatu jockeying for more power - DA

DA leader Helen Zille told students at the University of Stellenbosch last Tuesday that Cosatu was attempting to "jockey" for more power in the country.

She said South Africans needed to see through Cosatu, because it wanted to "keep unemployed people excluded from jobs and economic opportunities, to protect its power base".

"As the internal battle in the ANC heats up, and Cosatu jockeys for more of the power, it has cleverly tried to paint itself as the 'internal opposition' inside the tripartite alliance," Zille said.

"It is clear that Vavi is engaged in a campaign to construct for himself a power base, from which he will attempt to capture the alliance at the ANC's 2017 conference."

She said that if Vavi wanted to run the country, he should "put his name on the ballot and stand for election".

Cosatu had previously announced that it would not participate in the Western Cape's economic development partnership.

Comments
  • Tony Lapson - 2012-05-04 08:34

    I don't like the idea of labour brokers, but of you abolish them, you are just going to have more people without work. There must just be rules in place. Labour brokers in Australia charge companies membership fee. You pay a fee for the year, they supply the workers, and their wages don't get reduced at all. The DA realize that you can't just get rid of the issue "just like that". You have to make a plan for the people who rely on the labour brokers before you can take their jobs away.

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-05-04 08:40

      @Tony That actually sounds like a real solution to the problem and not just a lot of hot air from Cosatu who just demand demand demand without providing any other alternative to labour broking. DA realises that thousands of people will sit without work if labour broking are outlawed. Cosatu please try feeding a family without any work (no bread)

      clinton.badenhorst - 2012-05-04 09:00

      Labour brokers protect their workers... Why would you want to dislike this? And they also find jobs for you. So Tony... You are completely correct. Without them, we would have more unemployed youths in this country. I used to work under a labour broker and I must say that I was never unhappy!

      clinton.badenhorst - 2012-05-04 09:01

      Cosatu is beginning to sound more and more like a banana organization to me.

      Malcolm - 2012-05-04 09:12

      Yes, I use labour brokers (recruiting agency, temp personnel) to fill gaps that occur in day to day business as well as when a strike occurs. It is for this reason that Cosatu hates the very sight of any labour broker; for they lose some measure of strength to strike. I see labour brokers as “strike-busters” which simply levels the playing fields in a strike somewhat.

      adrien.mcguire - 2012-05-04 09:17

      One has to ask, why are labour brokers in existance? They are there as a result of over regulation by the government in the labour market, and the effect of unionisation. In reality, a business is a business, and it's main responsibility is to it's shareholders.... those that have invested their money. Improvement in labour conditions will happen in response to a shortage of labour automatically. In this country we have an oversupply of labour and as a result the government and the unions are forcing legislation and increasing the cost of labour. Well, it is time for the Alarm to go off, and we wake up and smell the coffee. We are part of an international market and we are competing against people who produce goods with labour costs that are a fraction of ours. Most countries are removing laws and giving companies flexibility with their labour force. So why are we in the predicament were in? We are in this situation because the unions in this country have political aspirations and the ANC needs the unions to stay in power.. enough said! We , as a industrial nation, will disappear up our proverbial if we don't become competitive !!

      Riad - 2012-05-04 09:40

      The sad reality is that Trade Unions in South Africa are businesses and their revenue is generated through the amount of members they can have on their books. The sad reality is that the Labour Broking fraternity is depriving them of that extra revenue that’s collected on a monthly basis in the form of a membership fee and this could be the reason why they are so insistent on total banning instead of stricter regulating the Labour Brokers.

      Stephen - 2012-05-04 09:56

      I really like this comment, I myself work through a broker, it benefits me, the company I work for, and the broker company, who charges a small fee, for doing a fantastic job of handling my tax and accounts.

      Kala - 2012-05-04 10:54

      No labourers are forced to use labour brokers. They can choose to get employment on their own. Could it be that maybe the workers are to lazy to go and look for employment. If those workers who use labour brokers are really against them then why don't they just boycott them out of existence.

  • Smile - 2012-05-04 08:34

    "Vavi said the DA would never understand what it would be like to be a young black woman who earned a minimum wage." Get your facts straight VAVI! The DA has plenty of black people who are strugling in their ranks!!! You dont here about them because black people who Vote for the DA are intimidated!!! They are threatened! It's disgusting! AND PEOPLE LIKE VAVI ARE THE PROBLEM! BLACK PEOPLE OF SA!! DONT BE SCARED! YOUR VOTE! YOUR CHOICE!

      Kunjee - 2012-05-16 21:00

      @Smile: TE BLACK PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY ARE VOICING THEIR OPIONIONS - hence the large movement of Cosatu - or are you saying that Vavi is the only black with a brain and the rest are just following like zombis?

  • Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-05-04 08:35

    I agree with the DA, in SA labour broking is still necessary is these brokers help people find work, and yes half a bread is way better then no bread at all.

      Frank - 2012-05-04 09:49

      Cosatu is gunning for the Labour Brokers for one reason only.......they cannot collect membership fees from the guys punting their skills on the open market. They want all sheeple to be nice and safely corralled to easily grab the membership fees via the employers doing their admin and collection for them. They just sit and count the money! Useless fools! I am currently using labour brokers exclusively for shutdowns and out of contract work as it saves me the hassle of employing the unemployable!

      Mike - 2012-05-04 12:43

      Frank you hit the nail on the head!

      Alf - 2012-05-06 12:15

      Labour brokers are the only sector providing jobs at the moment. So it makes sense to get rid of them to swell the ranks of the unemployed! Mashatile reckons the government will create jobs when the new signs of street names have to be put up! A 24 hour job is considered job creation! WHO IS USING THE FAMILY BRAIN CELL?

  • Glyn - 2012-05-04 08:35

    Unions are elitist organizations of the employed. The destroy industries such as the South African clothing industry. Check the number of Cape Town workers in the clothing industry in 2000 compared to now! Vote DA!

      Msika - 2012-05-04 09:56

      So, should the DA be in power, we'll be forced to work for this skelm labour brokers. M not voting the DA Or the ANC for that matter. They both a bunch of power hungry mob of proffessional politicians. Question is, who do I vote for?

      William - 2012-05-04 10:23

      @Msika: You don't HAVE to work for a labour broker if you don't want to. The better your education, the better chance you have in not needing to, either. What the government needs to do is invest it's time, energy 7 money into developing and assisting black entrepreneurs. Not tenderpreneurs, not BEE, real roll-up your sleeves & get the job done black-owned companies. Not this string of Auroras & On-points that are destroying any hope of a future.

  • Gregory - 2012-05-04 08:36

    I really am not a Cosatu member, however in this case i do agree with them. I have seen labour brokers charging us 3 times what they pay the employee. Perhaps by excluding them overall salaries can be reduced, effectively being a positive for both the employee and the employer. Perhaps another option is that any role cannot be temp for more than 6 months? people are currently in temp roles for years, while the broker just sits back and collects the cash.

      pws69 - 2012-05-04 09:20

      In the last ten months my employer, i.e. full time employee of a company, earned 4 times what they paid me on my billable to clients. Should we now ban companies? Do you see the complete failure of your logic? It might also be worth noting that companies prefer labour brokers because our labour laws are so onerous? How many companies have closed down because of labour laws? I would guess in the tens of thousands. I was one them.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-04 09:51

      And that is why they need to be regulated... That is what the DA are asking.

      William - 2012-05-04 10:25

      @Gregory: The solution to that problem is MORE labour brokers, not LESS. When the labour broking market becomes competitive the prices will come down. When both companies and workers have more options as to which labour broker represents them, the broker's margins will be squeezed and the country will benefit.

  • NrGx - 2012-05-04 08:38

    "come march to us and tell us that half a loaf is better than no bread at all."....well isnt it?, or would you prefer to your supporter base starve? ok so, ban labour brokers, give them the "freedom" they want, and who will they turn to for employment opportunities? YOU VAVI?

      Kala - 2012-05-04 11:04

      And COSATU won't be able to find them jobs because they would be labour brokering.

  • John - 2012-05-04 08:42

    The government still uses labour brokers.... And when did the DA threaten a march in favour of labour brokers?? Seems like he's side stepping the issue, i.e. COSATU's power struggle within the ANC

  • Vic - 2012-05-04 08:44

    All very well Vavi ranting on about banning labour broking, because he is okay financially, but what about those who will lose their jobs? I agree with implementing minimun conditions and requirements, but don't ban it, creating even more hardships.

  • Danie - 2012-05-04 08:45

    How many South Africans , would have a better employment, against how many current workers , jobs would be replace by machines? I know from the construction industry, the more workers want without giving a increase in their production in return, the more they replace by small construction machines.

      Martin - 2012-05-04 09:28

      Danie, already my boss has automated our welding, dozens of welding robots, in new workshops that once housed 50 odd welders, which now has but 5 technicians, and a few assistants, the robots weld better, never strike, never go to their uncles funeral 5 times a year...this started with the numsa strike last year, he just said f@ck it and automated the shop and the workers got an end of contract. Production is up 84% just for interest sake.

      Martin - 2012-05-04 09:36

      i work through a broker, and i do not fear for my job, because i do my job. the only reason i would want direct employment is so i can screw around, and still get paid, my rate will not get increased cos thats the rate regardless of a broker, but yes my boss would have a hard time getting rid of me, its a licence to stuff around is all

      Martin - 2012-05-04 09:45

      Marion i agree with what you say..i think people should be paid a living salary, minimum by rights should be like R10 000 a month from a human point of view, so then at least people can get out of shacks and into something a little better, around where i stay a reject of a one bedroom flat costs minimun R3500 bucks a month, then if you have a car to pay you can safely look at another R3000 with insurance, petrol who knows as distance varies for people, food on top of that, and what is the point if you dont have a bit extra for clothes and entertainment, then in my mind work is pointless, its just slavery for survival. the whole pay vs skill and minimum needs a complete overhaul worldwide

      Marion - 2012-05-04 09:49

      Sorry, made some typos in my comment. I don't agree with labour brokers because they earn their money out of people who are paid minimum wage. Insofar as the construction industry goes, laws were introduced to protect workers in the industry because they were being abused in terms of their pay and benefits in many instances (not all). There are still workers (not via labour brokers) working in 'private' construction who are doing heavy physical labour (e.g. digging trenches) for R80 per day. They don't get paid for public holidays unless they work and then they don't get double time. They don't get paid when it rains. They don't get annual leave. They don't get bonuses. They don't complain to Department of Labour because they need every cent they can earn. I know two employers of these 'labourers' who are multi-millionaires screwing every drop of sweat they can out of the people who are building so that they (the employers) can hang onto/increase their wealth. Who can be a 'constructive' judge of how much productivity someone can give for hard physical labour unless they have done it themselves day after day?

      Martin - 2012-05-04 09:55

      the thing with brokers is the interview the candidates, my boss has no time for it, we have department for that, it will be a huge stuff up, quotas will go out the window cos he will take people he knows over time, because they are known to be reliable, and highly skilled that are not going to give him a headache. or who knows, he never has to work again, nor his children or their children, he could just close up shop and go back to portugal, leaving a hole where employment used to be

  • nspaynter - 2012-05-04 08:50

    I need an answer from COSATU. The Dept of Labour want to bring in legislation that will force an employee to either release or fully employ a worker after six months. I have not been able to find full time employment because of AA and the general shortage of jobs anyway. I am however working part time and have been doing so for the past two years. It's not ideal, but it's better than having no job at all. My employer does not have enough work to employ me full time. So according to the new legislation I will be released and will have no income. Will COSATU give me a permanent job and an income if this occurs? Or will I have to stand at a robot with a cardboard sign looking for donations from motorists. I believe there will be many part time workers who will also lose their jobs as a result of this legislation.

  • Elize - 2012-05-04 08:53

    Cosatu and the unions!! We owned our own company for the past 20 years and our people were well paid and happy, but then the unions came and more and more of them decided to join. New hourly rates were introduced and we had no say we had to pay them, this resulting in some of our factory workers earning R4000.00 a week!! Then the economy had a downfall and our company started to truggle financially. We couldn't retrench as it would have cost us R250000.00 to retrench 10 workers. Last resort was to go on short time and all staff ended up working a 3 day week only instead of 5 days. Unfortunately not even that could safe our company as our weekly wages was stil sky high and our company was liquidated last week!! I still checked with the unions two weeks ago asking if I could please retrench my secretary which is pregnant as I have a Office Manager as well and needed her more than the secretary, I was told unfortunately not as this would be discrimination against the pregnant secretary. Now two weeks later we are all without a job and no salaries, but I suppose that is far better than being able to still provide a job for only half our staff!!

      Loo - 2012-05-04 09:26

      Sorry to hear Elize ,, EXACTLY the point I made below. The labour law and unions do not allow a business to survive. Hence using labour brokers is such an attractive option to a business owner like ourselves.

      Elize - 2012-05-04 09:37

      Thx Loo. Our guys always got their 13th cheques at the end of the year, they even got performance bonusses throughout the year untill they decided to join the unions, it is very very sad indeed. I am wondering if these unions will put food on their table now??

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-05-04 10:01

      The unions closed down most of the clothing industries and will now move on to the next industry, my dad also closed down his operation as he couldn't afford it anymore. The huge atvantage of a labour brokers are that they take care of all employment issues. Cosato want few people to be employed at an huge salary instead of all people at an fair salary. More and more companies that were labour intensive are now moving to replacing the people with machines.

  • Gary - 2012-05-04 08:53

    Labour brokers exist for amongst other reason, companies don't want to directly employ people because of the stringent labour laws in this country... all the power in the workers hands. Relax labour legislation and you will get an increase in job creation and a reduction in the need for labour brokers.

  • vincentdavince.malapane - 2012-05-04 08:56

    Imagine if DA is in power.

      colin.dovey - 2012-05-04 09:00

      Yes, but it would THEN be a Government FOR the PEOPLE, BY the PEOPLE and OF the people. THAT is PEOPLE power!

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-05-04 10:02

      What a wonderful idea, now if we can change the mindset of about 20million people we can make this a reality.

  • Loo - 2012-05-04 08:58

    Labour broking is the most efficient way of "employing". Biggest advantages 1) If a "worker/consultant" goes on sick/normal/pregnancy leave etc. the broking company replaces them for that period without any effect on the employer ( which actually means ANOTHER household gets some income for a period of time at least) 2)If a worker doesn't not perform to expectation with reason, the employer ask him/her to be replaced without any fuss in terms of labour court etc. 3)The employer is not laboured with petty staff issues. 4)The employer can budget properly IOW the employer can become more profitable, which means he might survive as a business which means he will KEEP on employing ppl even if through labour brokers. REM ppl .. employing through labour brokers also means RSA citizens get employed. Having to directly employ in RSA at the moment is such a problem taking our labour law into consideration and the simple fact that you cant get rid of people when they don't perform. IT IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR THE ECONOMY TO SURVIVE AS A BUSINESS THROUGH USING LABOUR BROKERS THAN IT IS TO RETRENCH OR DISMISS WORKERS BECAUSE YOUR BUSINESS WENT UNDER. !!!!! This is economics 101 isn't it ?

      Marion - 2012-05-04 09:44

      @Loo - Isn't profit what you get when all fixed and variable costs have been paid? Is profit pumped back into all small/medium businesses to help them grow and therefore create more jobs, or is profit paid out to the partners in the business? If the latter then the only ones who benefit from the increased profitability are the partners.

      Loo - 2012-05-04 10:13

      MARION ,, One is in Business for profit, The capitalist rule :: Profit should be why your'e in business and not the "possible" result of creating employment. If it makes financial sense to grow your business and employ more people to make more profit, DO it. If it doesn't, don't. Same as for using brokers ,, if it makes more financial/profit sense. Do it.. if Not dont.. simple ( Im a capitalist yes, and so is our country supposed to be,, but in actual fact were more communistic than we think, hence the reason were having this discussion)

      Marion - 2012-05-04 11:15

      LOO - don't shout at me! It is obvious that one has a business to make profit (and hopefully have fun while you're doing it). You said "IOW the employer can become more profitable, which means he might survive as a business which means he will KEEP on employing ppl even if through labour brokers." I'm questioning whether the employer 'might survive as a business' or just get richer at the expense of his employees.

      Loo - 2012-05-04 11:40

      hehhe marion i wasn't shouting .. its just that it was noisy in my office e ;) To answer your question. Of course the employer will make more money than the employee, and rightly so. To the expense of the employee ?? Nope, its a simple answer. If I as an employee agree to a wage for a service, I should not worry how much the company makes from my service. That is something the client that pays for that service should worry about as they might be over paying. but still the bottom line is. Fair wage for work should be no issue

  • Gideon - 2012-05-04 09:04

    Labour brokers are making easy money to the detriment of the worker. If you support labour broking you must be involved in scooping the cream of other people's labour!

      Loo - 2012-05-04 09:16

      Completely unmotivated statement Gideon

      Smile - 2012-05-04 09:50

      Labour brokers fill an important gap in the economy! It streamlines the system. It provide unskilled labour with jobs! Yes, low paying jobs! But jobs none the less!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-04 09:52

      That is why the DA want it to be regulated... Give it SOME thought Gideon instead of just blurting out what other people think..

      Loo - 2012-05-04 10:01

      OH and BTW .. NOT all labour broking is for unskilled labour.. consultants operating through labour brokers are some of the most highly paid people out there and higly educated.

      Kunjee - 2012-05-16 21:14

      I agree with you Gideon - and there are thousands more that do - they don't have access to the net and so would seem like the opions here are the majority. Just look at the numbers Cosatu is rallying - al these people are against labour brokers - if they were all given the means to respond over here we'll quickly see who is in the minority.

  • Herman - 2012-05-04 09:05

    Labour brokers do not create employment at all. the only employment they create is for themselves to steal from job seekers as their friends own the means of production. they must be scrapped, period.

      Loo - 2012-05-04 09:20

      Labour broking is an internationally accepted concept. WHY only in Africa doe we accuse the brokers of stealing. WHAT do they steal, they have to conform to the labour law too ???? And no I'm def not a labour broker, BUT Im moving towards using labour brokers for a 1000 sound economic reasons.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-04 09:53

      Of course they create employment, think about it some more.

      Kunjee - 2012-05-16 21:21

      You are 100% correct Herman - and I can prove it mathematically - I don't have to think about it. When my company has new positions that arise, it has absolutley nothing to do with some actor at a labour broking agency who pretends as if they know what my field or bussiness is about. LABOUR BROKERS DONT CREATE JOBS FOR ANYONE ELSE NOT IN THE LABOUR BROKING BUSSINESS. Please show me a position that was created as a result of some labour broker - I will tear it apart for you on this forum and show that a genuine new postion that arose was purely the result of the company who made such a position available.

  • pws69 - 2012-05-04 09:14

    Da fighting for the rights for the MAJORITY unemployed. COSATU fights for the rights of the minority employed who pay membership fees to them. We need to CREATE employment if we are to progress as a country, not just protect the rights of a diminishing pool of union members. I'll back the DA 100%. The DA record speaks for itself. WC is the ONLY province to have created employment during the economic downturn.

      Loo - 2012-05-04 09:21

      I rest my case ..well said .. even being pro labour broking, they set the standard. Spot the mistake in COSATUS approach

      Kunjee - 2012-05-16 21:26

      Strange to think that the DA represents the majority while Cosatu the minority. I was under the impression that Cosatu had way more followers than the DA!

  • pws69 - 2012-05-04 09:15

    COSATU also only focus on the emotional issue of labour broking WRT to what the DA want to achieve, because the know they have no leg to stand on regarding the other issues, such as youth wage subsidy.

  • Kevin - 2012-05-04 09:17

    Comrade Vavi do you know what a half loaf is - i suggest not - you are the coward and opportunist that expoilt the poor for your own gain - thats why you and COSATU have never created one single job - thats why you and COSATU continue to allow the education system (and everything else) to fail the nationn - you only know break,burn and stone - thats your track record for over 20 years - Remember in the world of the educated actions speak louder than your worthless words..! - Prove us wrong that you and COSATU are not the real cowards and opportunists......! Lets us know when you have created that single new job.....i for one is waiting..!

  • Angelica - 2012-05-04 09:21

    Vavi im a white young women and i earn minimum wage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      alfred.willie - 2012-05-04 10:47

      For sure it is nice for you all to drink the from the blood of innocent and defenceless?\r\nWow, I don't wish to be you Never.

  • anthro45 - 2012-05-04 09:25

    Vavi, are you wearing that shoe you're talking about? Or are you also sittning comfortably in your fatcat house at night while your "workers" sit in huts?

  • bafana.skosana - 2012-05-04 09:28

    You still wonder why people are not voting for DA ? Zille suppose to talk about people not Vavi,

      pws69 - 2012-05-04 09:31

      Blacks don't vote DA, in the majority, not people, so you statement is wrong. Blacks don't vote DA because they believe the ANC bull that the DA is a white party, yet funnily enough, the DA delivers more for blacks in the areas they govern than for whites. But we shouldn't let FACTS get in the way of our racial and political prejudice now should we?

      Smile - 2012-05-04 09:43

      DA support economic growth! Whilst it delivers to the people! Vavi is just small minded! He does not serve the unemployed! THE DA DOES!

      Kunjee - 2012-05-16 21:55

      "Blacks don't vote DA, in the majority, not people ..." - so balcks are not people ???

      Kunjee - 2012-05-16 21:58

      The ANC supports economic growth! Whilst it delivers to the people. Zille is just small minded.

  • hulisani.nemaxwi - 2012-05-04 09:31

    Imagine working for a fruit and vegetable shop for over ten years and you are still a temporal employee. That is what Vavi is fighting for. And no one will loose work if labour brokers are abolished in all industries. Remember, those eggs and vegetable still needs to be packed. Be rational when you debate these things. When you havent been labour brokered yourself, i can imagine the dificulty of understanding from within.

      Smile - 2012-05-04 09:45

      Are you sure about that? Look at the Economic statistics in countries where the labour market is dynamic and compare is to those that arnt (very few!).

      Kunjee - 2012-05-16 22:06

      Well put hulisani - I can't believe people don't see this obvious fact and all they can do is blindly disagree as if that is supposed to constitute proof to the rest of us. Why don't we stick to the principal of cutting out the middle man and go direct. If the concern is how will jobs be advertised without labour brokers then I will say that we can still use websites and conventional advertising mediums. The only difference is that there won't be a vulture sitting behind such a mechanism looking to leech off other people or ensuring that only certain types (mainly whites) get the best jobs.

  • Nosiphom - 2012-05-04 09:31

    What we all, Vavi included, need to realise is that Vavi does not have a problem with labour brokers as such. The issue is that the labour broker people are not part of his membership. So it is not about the people, it is about himself and his organisation. The less members they have, the less subscriptions are paid. Of cause he has to tell the labour broker employees the good about being permanently employed, i.e. pension, medical aid (that anyway pays only a fraction), etc. The thing is there are people who prefer to work on a temporary contract and choose their own medical aid and pension schemes. Why must South African blacks be indoctrinated and told by Vavi that there is one form of employment. Should they not be free to chose? Should we rather not be discussing pay issues rather than the means of employment? If the issue is bout people working for less than the minimum wage, should we not be addressing that? If the people are paid a minimum wage because their contribution is worth a minimum wage, where is the problem Vavi? A company is there to make money and not to be a charity organisation, then when there is enough money to share for all, then we share. South African work ethic is so rotten that employees steal from their employers, meaning more security and less pay for all. In the last month alone, I have been offered to "buy through the back door" twice. Get your members to improve their work ethic, then guaranteed, there will be more money for all.

      Mike Purchase - 2012-05-04 09:42

      Well said nosiphom.Just look at how government employees behave,i experienced this at the licencing department yesterday,they strole around joking and laughing and wasting time,my time.They have no manners its a disgrace.Its like their jobs are garuanteed even if their performance is zero.Lets now look at the private sector,the opposite applies.They make you work your butt off and make you believe that you,re being paid well,hahaha.They are so greedy that they dont realise who makes them their millions.I say ban the cosatu and brokers and put a union in place that really cares for workers,not themselves.

      Smile - 2012-05-04 09:46

      Well said!

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-05-04 09:32

    Its simple,more cosatu members more money in their back pockets.Do you think they are really interested in the workers.Remember who cosatus affiliates are!

  • Chriskoi1 - 2012-05-04 09:34

    Vavi jy weet nie wat jy praat nie want jy loop met twee broode en nog met botter op want jy gee nie n' bliksem om vir jou swart broers en susters nie solank jy net jou baie geld kry en het gee jy nie n' moer om vir die wat niks het nie en sodra een van hulle werk kry met die munimum of meer dan moet hulle nog geld oorbetaal aan jou en jou geld suckers net soos blood suiers.

      phosa.peter2 - 2012-05-04 09:54

      Nonsense!pile of crap out of your mouth..shut up jerk

      Smile - 2012-05-04 09:57

      phosa.peter2 - That was not racsist! So you STFU and get out!

      Kunjee - 2012-05-16 22:15

      Zille also has it quite well for herself - probably never had to do any freeking menial labour in her life - and most definelty would not be associating with blacks unless its only for their vote or if its blacks with alot of money. Strange how many whites seem to be agravated by a black person who is successfull - calling them blood suckers when they fail to see their own kind be exactly that. I've never seen a bunch of white guys slogging at a hard job, but I've seen this far too often among blacks.

      Kunjee - 2012-05-16 22:17

      And typically there is a white person in charge of those blacks slogging at hard labour. Seems like these white want to do as little as possible for the most renumeration.

  • Hannes - 2012-05-04 09:37

    I have managed such a process for a while. Legitimately speaking there are a number of requirements by Law any Labour Broker has to comply with - which was regulated by SARS - I do not profess to know the process now. Documentation had to be completed, etc to prove relationship between service provider and recipient, etc. If the state of the SA economy is somewhat volatile and if SARB has decided not to save the value of the ZAR because it will be too expensive, how does the advocacy of a decision against labour broking going to solve the issue? How are we to increase the value of the Rand when we demand equality at all costs, and what about the retrenching of staff in the process? Who is to look after them financially? Who will protect the current economic process if it is continually attacked with thoughtless verbiage and rhetoric? Yes ... there are sharks in the water, but act against them and not the industry – this call is tantamount to throwing the baby out with the bath water!. Are you aware that many Nurses ‘moonlight’ by registering with agencies (read labour brokers) to work on their days/night off in other hospitals to increase income? How will the nursing complement be regulated if not via Labour Brokers. I have yet to see COSATUs' initiative to overcome this dilemma – as they talk is cheap but money buy the w…... Or, ... is Zille correct in her remarks re COSATU?

  • Daniel - 2012-05-04 09:40

    Valid points from both sides!!!!! But really ridiculous! Have a great weekend!

  • heather.scheepers3 - 2012-05-04 09:41

    Some Labour Brokers also train their staff so I do not know why they want to get rid of them. They are a benefit to all.

      Thapelo - 2012-05-04 09:46

      start by training ur housewife to earn more. if ur paying ur housewife peanuts u will extend that to ur organisation. it must start frm ur home

      Marion - 2012-05-04 09:55

      @Thapelo - 'housewife'? That is a woman who stays at home to do the cleaning and raise the children etc. Do you perhaps mean domestic worker, housekeeper?

      Smile - 2012-05-04 09:59

      Thapelo What are you talking about?

      Thapelo - 2012-05-04 10:07

      i ddnt want say domestic worker bt im glad u understood me.

      Smile - 2012-05-04 10:18

      OH! Domestic worker is not offensive Thapelo :) It's Ok to say it! In anycase I agree domestic workers need to be paid more THapelo but the ANC goverment is taxing us. We cannot afford it!

      Sanet - 2012-05-04 10:32

      Not all labour brokers are bad! We are doing everything according to law, so don't always judge all companies / labour brokers the same!

  • Thapelo - 2012-05-04 09:41

    if ur white and poor dnt blame cosatu bt ur god fearing parent who wanted no money frm a bad apartheid state.

      Koos - 2012-05-04 09:51

      HUH?

      Smile - 2012-05-04 09:56

      Not everyone gets there money from the state! Thats the problem with some South africans... They think the goverment is a charity! They think taxpayers (black and white) are responsible for them! It's disgusting!

      Loo - 2012-05-04 09:58

      LOLOL you must be really stupid .. first of all ,, explain what you mean by "Training your housewife" WTF is a housewife . and does one get a "Workwife" too then ? Again i understand why its possible for Vavi and Melama to influence some ppl. ::: becuase theyre ignorant and stupid :::

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-05-04 09:47

    ah masulie sounds like cosatu has got competition now they dont like it,typical.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-05-04 09:48

    Some comments here are really thick,no man eish.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-05-04 09:50

    Daniel i like that.Its easy to point fingers.

      Daniel - 2012-05-04 09:58

      Who's pointing? :)

  • Mark - 2012-05-04 09:51

    news 24 should be renamed da24 because any article that reflects negative on the da is attacked by comments. I wonder if this is how you are planning to win the votes of many people- by trying to demolish anyone who does not like the da. There are few people online (I'm sure you know that). It would be brave if you could go offline and campaign for your party. I forgot that some of you have never been to Lower Crossroads township because it's unsafe for yall. I know da people in the township who are there because they get food parcels. other than that they vote anc. Don't get me wrong, i am not saying the anc is good, but i hate people who gang on other people because they have different opinions.

  • Pheeha - 2012-05-04 09:55

    labour brokers are not different than apartheid, you work eight hours a day for the whole month for a salary of R1200 and hide by saying half a loaf is better than nothing while the employers generate billions of rands. mxm!

  • Mark - 2012-05-04 09:59

    are you people that blind, why do you praise the da like this? it's also a political party in case you thought it was perfect party. Maybe it would not be like the anc but i promise you it wouldn't make this country a better place to live in.

      Smile - 2012-05-04 10:23

      MArk I let you post you first comment with out me saying something! But the second one I could not let go! STFU and get out! Yor opinion is only that! It's not important to anyone with half a brain! The ANC goverment has screwd us and people like you are letting them get away with it! The only reason I vote for the DA is because they deliver whilst the ANC is getting so corrupt they are taking away our rights! LOOK AROUND AND SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING!!!

  • Jeffrey - 2012-05-04 10:03

    labour bbbrokers are non sense, they stipulate what the labours must earn and take thier big share,with no care attitude what the labours are taking home. they influence miscarriage of labour case and retrenchments to keep themselfs loyal to employer. guys when we discuss this kind of issues, we need to feel what others feel. before we go on with this, all parties showing concern must go to labour brokers to collect datbase of previously emplyed and presently employed, interview them, one will recieve disturbing stories.

      Loo - 2012-05-04 10:24

      BS dude .. dont be so ignorant.. labour brokers have to conform to labour legislation too in terms of minimum wage etc. etc. . .WHY are people so ignorant these days ???

      Hugh - 2012-05-04 10:45

      Jeff, I'm sure there are unscrupulous brokers out there, but that's not the norm. All credible firms demand to see what the labourers wages will be and often demand adjustments to fit in with their own staff salary structures. The issue comes to the benefits of workers under brokers which should be made statutory. It does not make economic sense for companies who have high and low seasons to employ full time staff in these positions, that's where the brokers come in. Remove them, and it causes untold problems for business.

      elspeth.hassall - 2012-05-04 10:54

      Have you done such research? If so, why don't you publish the facts? You may even get a doctorate from some university! LOL

      pat.bruton - 2012-08-21 17:38

      Jefrey have you ever truely studied or investigated what labour Brokers/agencies do for people, white black or pink. I don't think so, if you did you would have found that there are many who care for there workers and do not exploit them for the sake of big bucks. I think it is time that people get there facts in order before judging Labour Brokers. It is the minority(bakkie brigade) that is giving the industry a bad name. Yes regulate and control, but to close the industry is ludicrous. I challenge you to take my data base and interview our people and you will see how wrong you are. Everyone I have spoken to over the years, have said that Cosatu Or the Goverment cannot do for them what we have done. LOOK AFTER THEM.

  • Frankly - 2012-05-04 10:30

    Um, well Mr. Vavi, obiously you have never sat with the dilemma of half a bread vs. none in front of you. Half a bread is better than no bread at all!!! Idiot.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-05-04 10:36

    Daniel read my other comments,im agreeing with what you are saying.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-05-04 10:45

    Pheeha and cosatu is the opposite you get paid R8000 rand per month to do an hour and a halfs work per day now that is unproductive which equates to stealing time and this is why this country is doomed to fail.There are way too many government employees who are paid to do nothing.What justifies a librarians salary of R38 000 per month.Go open your own business lets see how long you last.

  • Breinlekkasie - 2012-05-04 11:00

    While there is labour brokers COSATU does not have complete control over the labour class. This is not about the workers it is about power.

  • alfred.willie - 2012-05-04 11:10

    I think according to mrs zille and other comments here, labour brokers are something right that create job opportunities. Now may ask here is that, does mrs zille working for the labour brokers? But if so how much does she earn and how much does she take home?\r\nI can see, she is driving nice and beautiful cars and I think she stays in a small paradise that's why she is supporting this labour brokers.\r\nBut why cosatu is against these labour brokers?\r\nIs it because may be there is racial discreamination when it comes to the black disadvanged people?\r\nTherefore the white workers are earning enough while the blacks are earning for bread?\r\nAre these labour brokers are job creators forsure or vampires?

  • Boy - 2012-05-04 11:26

    @mr vavi. sir the revolution for democracy ls long over. please stop using old rhetoric to futhur your cause. you are just a bussiness as all others. the more members you have the more you earn. you are using the un-educated to futhur your standing. you cannot offer them better or more employment although your coffers are over flowing. you lambast big business but your organisation invests in these organisations. what an oxymoron. the solution to better wages and working conditions is simple. work effeciently, increase productivity, work more inteligently, compete on the world market. we are part of the global economy. no matter how much you scream and shout only the illiterate listen. the inteligent bussinesman just takes a flight to china and orders products there. that is why we loosing so many factories monthly. like your organisation profit is the key word. you should know as you source your promoyional items from china where it is cheaper.

  • Johan - 2012-05-04 11:30

    Okay, say they ban labour brokering, then what? You will see people losing their jobs directly (labour brokers; and there are alot!) and indirectly (people using labour brokers). Yes, the industry needs to REGULATEDD, but you can't take away a whole industry. That is counterproductive to job creation on so many levels!

  • Lekgwakgwa - 2012-05-04 11:33

    COSATU must stop to abuse workers about the labour brokers, when the labour brokers start i stand and oppose under the (UMSA)Unemployed Masses of South Africa but after see unions time to time if you high by the company ask do u know some one or member of ANC in the company and if no the start make toyi toyi and the only look their families. What now change the way the labour brokers detecting the money and limit how many month you can take before the companies take you from them.

      Simthandile Mpondo - 2012-05-06 08:32

      What the F are u saying Lekgwakgwa? Write in ur own language.

  • zybt99 - 2012-05-04 11:48

    Labour brokers are an injustice. The do not create employment at all. They simply use what is available in the job market. Its sad that people still think brokers create work. They basically charge workers over half their salary. Now if the DA is so keen on them it shows you how removed from reality they are. I'm not talking from statistics but from experience.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-05-04 17:48

      "Maybe we should just shut them all down?" "Yeah let's do that!" "Wait, what will happen to the workers who are relying on brokers to bridge the gap between employer and employee?" "The government has that taken care of!" "How?" "Not sure, but we all know how much the government cares about us."

  • braamc - 2012-05-04 11:48

    Ever heard of effective regulation?

  • Manu - 2012-05-04 14:30

    I would like to pose a question to those who defend labour broking. If labour broking is an economically sound practice then why is it limited to low income jobs? Why aren't the high income jobs also brokered? That way the employer won't have to worry about sick leave, medical aid, pension and all other kinds of benefits. I am willing to bet that all those defending labour broking here have safe and secure jobs.

  • Simon - 2012-05-05 10:15

    Im in recruitment myself. There is currently total abuse of the labour broking system. I feel labour broking has a place in South Africa but must be STRICTLY controlled. ie it is fine for short term operational needs of a company or if an employee falls sick or pregnant. Companies that use Labour broking for merely shifting the responsibility of staffing onto brokers is not on. COSATU should shift their energies on companies that abuse the LRA and not fight with government or the DA. Should companies be targetted by COSATU then the demand will go away . WHEN THERE IS NO DEMAND THERE IS NO SUPPLY

  • Cyrill - 2012-05-17 01:24

    I've had this debate on another forum about 1+ month ago, stating my disgust with labour brokers. I even provided a real example which highlighted the corruption within the labour brokers organisation. Nobody was able to respond to me properly - as far as I'm concerned - I shut the mouths of those who claimed that labour brokers are needed in our society. I will be happy to re-engagr that exact argument over here and see who can answer me properly. Herewith the link of that encounter: http://www.dispatch.za.com/news/article/3011 read my posts there under uid: cynic The basic argument revolved around: why a labour broker required a face to face meeting with me before handing off my application to the actual employer. This labour broker couldn't even answer some basic questions about the job at hand, so would have had NO bussiness trying to interview me personally for the job at hand. All I could draw from that was that was that the labour broker was either going to succeed to pass my application based on how my face looks. This is complete BS as all that should matter is whether I could do the job or not - and quite frankly this labour broker was not capable/qualified of ascertaining this fact. I'm am obviously stating a very brief summary of that debate - please read the full debate from the link provided and if any still feel they can take me on, then I look forward to hearing from you!