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Courts 'not arbiters of ANC history'

2011-09-20 14:17

Cape Town - It is not the role of the courts to be the arbiters of the ANC's history, Higher Education Minister Blade Nzimande said on Tuesday.

He was speaking in the National Assembly in response to a member's statement on the court ruling which banned the singing of the struggle song "dubhula ibhunu" (shoot the boer).

The ANC, along with its youth league, have said they will appeal against the judgment.

Nzimande said while the ANC was committed to national reconciliation and building national unity, it would not allow its history to be re-written and the heroic struggles of its people to be rubbished.

"We do not believe it is the role of the courts to be the arbiters of our own history... for that history to be wiped out is completely unacceptable to us."

This was why there would be an appeal against the judgment.

"Not out of disrespect for the courts, but to actually say the courts must not be the arbitrators of our own heroic struggles against apartheid."

Comments
  • Born To Fish - 2011-09-20 14:23

    But the ANC is Arbiters of our history, to change the names of our landmarks and cities! Wow, what arrogance!

      Dundermoose - 2011-09-20 14:27

      The courts are not editing ANC history - they are just saying that certain things should stay in the past!!

      Mad Hatter - 2011-09-20 14:28

      All ANC history is comprised into one awful chant . Amazing.

      Henk - 2011-09-20 14:28

      The old flag and the Stem are part of the History of many White South Africans. The Holocaust is part of the History of Germany. Being part of History does not make it right! Unless they want to implement it in the present which definitely makes it wrong!

      Henk - 2011-09-20 14:30

      The ANC disrespected the coart already by singing the song!

      Richie - 2011-09-20 14:31

      Just go and fish, not come back here.

      Ascendo Tuum - 2011-09-20 14:31

      If this doesn't highlight the narrow minded low intelligence of certain members of the population nothing will.

      Born To Fish - 2011-09-20 14:42

      Sjanga, explain why Lydenburg had its name changed? What black settlement was there before whites? Come on? Who was Tswane?

      Cynix - 2011-09-20 14:46

      Holy joke - who then is arbiters of taxpayers money - referring to the latest jaunt on the Prez's gravy plane? Is this wanton plundering and theft part of your history? Blade try and fix the f-up which is the destroyed education system. History will judge you severly for the destruction of SA.

      sganja - 2011-09-20 14:47

      BornTo Fish I'm not staying in Lydenburg and I don't know why the name was changed, but as far as I know people decides about new names. Tshwane was the king.

      HiJack - 2011-09-20 14:59

      @Kgaogelo, so when can we change the names again to offset the evil of the present ANC?

      McDaNife - 2011-09-20 14:59

      What nonsense. Blade we have courts to defend tax paying people like us who have no say whatsoever in the running of the country. We cannot take this type of bullsh1t from you morons.

      Chronoman - 2011-09-20 15:03

      @sganja, there was no king bearing the name Tshwane like the Tshwane Metro claimed when they proposed the name change from Pretoria to Tshwane. The origin of the name lies in the word for "black cow" because a black cow was slaughtered to pray to the gods for rain. The Tshwane Metro went so far with their lies that they commissioned an artist to make a huge sculpture of "king Tshwane". To give the name a sugar coating they spread the idea that the word means "we are the same". Of course such a meaning cannot be derived from Tshwane. These kinds of lies and deceipt have already taught many thinking South Africans not to trust those that pretend to be governing it.

      50something - 2011-09-20 15:04

      Touche!!!

      Sparkys - 2011-09-20 15:04

      They should also change all the prison names.....after all their a hardly any whites in them!!!

      mundu.olewega - 2011-09-20 15:05

      The thing that gets me is that this twot Blade is Minister of Higher Education. He just does not get it!

      SPYKOS - 2011-09-20 15:05

      it depends on whom is in power

      willieman - 2011-09-20 15:10

      Blade please move on our education is in shambles,spend your energy in education and stop spitting puke about the heritage song which is not going to improve our education system

      Big.Dog - 2011-09-20 15:19

      This song creates an direct command to a killing action against Boers(which is seen as all white people) and is there for dangerous and might get people to miss understand that it is just a song and end up killing white people seen as Boers. But on the other hand black people as far as i remember did not like the song by Bok van Blerk in which there is no direct action or command against any other race what so ever, except for "De La Rey sal jy die Boere kom ly". Let me inform you that General Jacobus Herculaas de la Rey was a General in the second Boer war against the British, this has nothing to do with any current races in SA, but yet the black people had to take Bok and the guy who wrote it to court. The song is part of history in SA and dates back to the 2nd Boers war against the British the song is a tribute to General De La Rey. But these people do not have integrity to see things like this they do not have any sense of imagination or understanding. Copy and paste link and read the real History about this song. And lies ANC told about it...... http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page72308?oid=256988&sn=Marketingweb+detail&pid=90389

      Harvey - 2011-09-20 15:20

      They have to appeal. Does anyone here believe that if Zuma renounced the singing of this song today, anyone would listen to him? They cannot control their people. This is the only way to prevent their complete lack of discipline and control from becomming obvious.

      Leeuvis - 2011-09-20 15:20

      Twsane was actually named after General De La Rey's cousin, General Twanepoel.

      Hux - 2011-09-20 15:23

      Could it be possible that this is the most stupid man in the ANC?

      Gina - 2011-09-20 15:24

      @kGAOGELO, you sound like a very bitter person, I do not know how old you are, but most of the Black commentors on this page might not have even experienced apartheid you are only reliving what you hear from people Like Mr Malema etc. You want to experience evil speak to some of your African brothers and sisters, some just over the border, you do not know what evil is. Every country has its cultural problem its racial problem because of peoples bad attitudes and laziness and continueing to put their hands out for help, not wanting to learn to help themselves, dont throw stones it going to come back to you, your government that has been in power for the last 18 years is your problem not apartheid, its the the young people to day up un til the ages of 30 who have become the evil of this country, rapeing and murdering our children, so dont talk about the evil of apartheid, it was not a good law but you still have a wonderful country to live in , whic h you would not have had, had it been left to you forefathers to deal with.

      realist03 - 2011-09-20 15:33

      And all the smoke screens are in place,while the anc ships in container loads of weapons into Dbn,PE and CPT from china for their youth league,while building the hatred and aggresion ready for genocide,,,ARM YOURSELVES PEOPLE

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-20 15:37

      I think we're missing the point here. Basically what they are saying is, f*** the law, the ANC is above the law. Does anyone else interpret that too?

      pants - 2011-09-20 15:38

      The ANC have proven to be quite devious, the plan with Malema and these "heritage" songs is to manipulate and distract attention from their corruption. So while the masses continue to blame apartheid and believe that their struggle continues ( and it does, but not because of apartheid) the ANC is not held accountable for poor service delivery, corruption and all round inability to govern.

      MWF - 2011-09-20 15:42

      Firstly, you stupid uneducated moron, no one is trying to steal or wipe out your history (you're doing that all on your own). We didn't take you to court for changing our main airport name... TWICE, spending untold money that could have been put to better use... like food for the poor, or crime control... (How is "Johannesburg International" an apartheid name anyway?), along with countless other names. We didn't toi-toi and appeal when it became banned to sing De Le Ray (one of OUR historic songs), we didn't complain when we could no long say the K***** word (another unique SA historic word). Why did we not complain? Perhaps it is because we're not brain dead like you and so we understood that phrases, chants, songs and words are NOT our "history" and stopping their use does not in any way "wipe out our history". History is based on the FACTS that occurred in the past, and last I checked the courts were not ordering the burning of our libraries. So on that note, why don't you and all your brain dead followers go visit the library and try an enlighten yourselves... who who am I kidding.

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-20 15:42

      Sjanga Please follow Krush's advice..........But do it under water.Deep down you will be a good guy..

      texx - 2011-09-20 15:47

      If it such a large part of their history why don’t they preserve it within a museum?? Obviously we (whites of sa) have a problem with ppl singing it. No one has ever said that the blacks should forget about it??? It is as if they are purposely antagonising us!!! Keep pushing and see what happens....

      phumlanim - 2011-09-20 15:48

      @Born to Fish, yuo must go back to sea and fish, thats where yuo came from and leave Africa alone

      JH - 2011-09-20 15:48

      @ JOU MA- Brilliant man- you made me laugh as loud as I could here in my office- I had to hold myself back-Brilliant en baie skerp!!!

      Ntfutfuko - 2011-09-20 15:58

      Your political representative, the DA, also think the ruling is wrong... who the hell do you think you are? http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Malema-hate-speech-ruling-wrong-DA-20110913

      phoantoinix - 2011-09-20 16:31

      So sad. Ain't it sad, when a beautiful country like SA, has a governing party that needs to define itself by hiding corruption and chants directing to kill a section of it's people?

      Wonderboy - 2011-09-20 16:48

      An example in europe. (Civilised area) :"The symbol of the Soviet Union cannot be registered as a trademark in the EU because of its offensiveness in countries that have been under Soviet rule, the bloc's judges ruled on Tuesday."

      Embee - 2011-09-20 16:48

      @Ntfutfuko. You only read the headline, and not the article...am i right? If you read the article, you would have seen that "Smuts said the DA thought Lamont's ruling was wrong because it extended the ban to all persons in all circumstances. This meant that the Equality Act was 'ripe for challenge'. However, the judgment was a 'well-aimed rebuke to an irresponsible young rabble-rouser who no one in their right mind believes was nostalgically intoning struggle songs'. She said the DA found the judgment interesting and useful. So, don't stop reading after the headline...try read the smaller words too.

      Met - 2011-09-20 16:51

      It confirms one thing absolutely and abundantly clearly; The ANC regime and its co-horts have no respect for the Rule of Law

      Jamesons - 2011-09-20 17:18

      Please stop changing our heritage as it is our history and Nelspruit will always be Nelspruit Belfast ? eMakhazeni (2009) [1]* Bisho ? Bhisho (2004) Butterworth ? Gcuwa* Duiwelskloof ? Modjadjiskloof (2004)[2] Ellisras ? Lephalale (2002) Louis Trichardt ? Makhado ? Louis Trichardt (name change reverted)*[3] Machadodorp ? eNtokozweni (2009)[1]* Malelane ? Malalane (2007)* Messina ? Musina (2003) Naboomspruit ? Mookgopong (2006) Nelspruit ? Mbombela[1][4] (2009, however Nelspruit was used during the 2010 FIFA World Cup)* Phalaborwa ? BaPhalaborwa* Pietersburg ? Polokwane (2005) Potgietersrus ? Mokopane (2003) Stanger ? KwaDukuza (2006)* Umtata ? Mthatha (2004) Verwoerdburg ? Centurion (1994) Warmbad/Warmbaths ? Bela Bela (2002)*[5] Waterval Boven ? Emgwenya (2009)[1]* Witbank ? Emalahleni (2006)

      LostEuropean - 2011-09-20 17:22

      @Hux: He might or might not be the dumbest, but he's DEFINITELY the ugliest. Crikey, he's scary to look at!

      Abe Moshabeane - 2011-09-20 17:35

      Eish, the ANC is your master.

      Worker - 2011-09-20 17:55

      sganga : Changing "Main Street" to a political name - that is a waste of money. Change political names by all means - especially the odious ones, but leave the innocent alone - but that would be too much to expect from the ANC !

      Aaron Gumede - 2011-09-20 18:36

      You also change names after tking the land forcefully. Actually, you destroy every possible history, names of mountains, streams, rivers, caves and valleys.

      CtC - 2011-09-20 19:30

      Well then it is probably OK to use the k-word again....

      Ntfutfuko - 2011-09-20 21:08

      Embee you are attacking the wrong person; your DA is sitting on the fence here, can't you see that. Perhaps you should also read the whole article not only what suits your opinion... "Smuts said the DA thought Lamont's ruling was wrong because it extended the ban to all persons". Does DA mean the song is not hate speach if sung by a person other than Julius... please enlighten me on that wise man!!!

      Gpurs - 2011-09-20 21:32

      @Krush - "They only have an IQ of 72." I'm afraid you're wrong and I think it's important that the facts are straight on this one. 'They' actually have an IQ of 66. 'We' don't. Therefore the average IQ in SA is 72. http://www.isteve.com/IQ_Table.htm

      DoublySalmon - 2011-09-20 21:49

      Soos my pa se pa se ma altyd gese het - "Ek haat &&*ers.." So nou ja, dis haar woorde uit die verlede, is dit nou ok om dit te herhaal solank dit ons geskiedenis is?

      Henk - 2011-09-20 21:49

      We shall not be threatened any longer! I say all white people stand together: No more Taxes for the ANC!

      Henk - 2011-09-20 22:11

      All the whites sing toghether now!: NO MORE TAXES FOR THE ANC! NO MORE TAXES FOR THE ANC! NO MORE TAXES FOR THE ANC! NO MORE TAXES FOR THE ANC!

      Shaman Pete - 2011-09-20 22:50

      The meaning attributed to items of historical interest changes over time. In the context of apartheid SA, this may have been an inspiring protest song; in the current context it is simply used to be petty and provocative. By this reasoning the ANC is cheapening its own struggle history by insisting on using this song out of context for a purpose it no longer serves. The people insisting on singing this song simply come across as childish and petty bullies with an axe to grind - not as the custodians of (as they claim) a proud history.

      bytejuggler - 2011-09-21 02:45

      @Mad Hatter "All ANC history is comprised into one awful chant . Amazing. " ... yeah, one that started oh, circa 1990. Go figure.

      psebetlela - 2011-09-21 08:43

      @Born to "be ignorant" Fish..chief, before u start mentioning "our landmarks & cities", u nid2revisit the history of this country, or rather continent 2 get de bigger picture.n not 25 yrs ago, make it way beyond that.if reading is not your hobby,ask some1 3 tyms yo age.dnt get me started wit your *our* utterances...yours???

      eric.vanvuuren - 2011-09-21 11:48

      But it is the role of the courts is to make sure the ANC toe the line!!!! But you can’t let slip, not even here.. If you do they might realise there is an opening to investigate the real money hogging elite. Imagine all the wrongs done by the so called untouchables comes to light. That would be such a day...

      Larissa - 2011-09-22 08:26

      http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/columnists/2011/09/22/the-scourge-of-african-tyrants#leaf

      Oom - 2012-06-21 13:52

      Me thinks the ANC are feeling vulnerable....why would they need to protect their past.? Is the past what makes their present possible..? He who controls the past also controls the future... I THINK THERE FRIGHTENED OF THE FUTURE....

  • supporter - 2011-09-20 14:24

    Then we will start singing songs like we like it. what is good then for the anc, should be good enough for the whites

      kolobe - 2011-09-20 14:37

      go ahead

      Oxygen - 2011-09-20 14:43

      Blade Nzimande you tit

      Liberty - 2011-09-20 14:55

      @supporter let's not stoop to their level. Anybody with half a brain knows that this song promotes racial intollerence. Let's not do the same. 2 wrongs doesn't make a right. Funny the ANC calls for reconciliation while they do the exact opposite.

      sganja - 2011-09-20 14:59

      Jou Ma Please stop singing that thing people will laugh at you...

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 15:04

      People will laugh with him.

      Bosman - 2011-09-20 15:10

      Sganja. Please stop commenting. People are laughing at you

      45skin - 2011-09-20 15:11

      jou ma, are you regressing? why kinder-garden issues now? jou bliksem

      Tokkel Loshi - 2011-09-20 15:13

      Singing songs is not part of our history but a flap trap is !! Where do you stay again kolobe ?

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-20 15:35

      @ Sganja - I was laughing just as I saw your comment... @ Jou Ma - naughty... but a laugh nonetheless @ anybody - I'm confused, did they ban that song? Because now on the "cute but annoying" SANC2 Riaan Cruywagen advert, where they remix him, the song lyrics are on the news feed?

      Jou Ma - 2011-09-20 15:44

      @45foreskin, unfortunately, I have to go down to your level....see, now you understand what we are trying to say. My ou bobbejaantjie;)

      sganja - 2011-09-20 15:46

      Matt :-)

      phumlanim - 2011-09-20 15:50

      if its good for Africans at Europe let it be good for Europians in Africa

      JH - 2011-09-20 15:51

      @ JOU MA- Brilliant man- you made me laugh as loud as I could here in my office- I had to hold myself back-Brilliant en baie skerp!!!

      FM150 - 2011-09-20 20:58

      @sganja, no no man, you got it all wrong! people are laughing with HIM at YOU!

      Linds - 2011-09-21 13:35

      Very silly comment. Like the judge you assume that the ANC is black.

      Kenko - 2011-09-21 15:08

      @supporter - nice try, but we don't have any barbaric songs. White songs celebrate love, beauty, nature etc. The only and best thing we can do is to get the idea that we are the same out of our heads. All the liberals who fosters the idea that all are equal will now have to start changing their minds. The black man's true darkness is no becoming evident - a darkness of the soul.

      MY opinion! - 2011-09-21 23:13

      kolobe klim die berg so hastig en so lastig sganja klim die berg so hastig en so lastig bobbejaan klim die berg om die boere te vererg kom ons skiet die drie voor hulle ons appels steel

      Jou Ma - 2011-09-22 08:52

      I see my song was banned... and, I did not even encourage violence. Damn! now I'll never make Idols.

  • Bosman - 2011-09-20 14:25

    This is besides the point but I think they must rethink the portfolio of Higher Education. No-one seems to have thta under the belt in our government......

      Ogre - 2011-09-20 15:26

      The ANC likes the irony it portrays. Look at how many of the ministers are well known for the opposite of what their title indicates.

  • MeltdowN - 2011-09-20 14:26

    slavery was outlawed... should that be argued back into existence... NO!!.. BECAUSE ITS SIMPLY WRONG! so is that song in TODAYS WORLD!

      kolobe - 2011-09-20 14:37

      is slavery your culture?

      MeltdowN - 2011-09-20 14:43

      @kolobe... is killing farmers and whites yours?

      Born To Fish - 2011-09-20 14:45

      No it is your kolobe!

      Martin - 2011-09-20 14:50

      No, but I am also sure that wearing three piece European suits is not part of African culture either. Times change. Customs change, and culture is in constant flux. Just as much as I will not ask you to go back to wearing a loin cloth (as Europeans also did many centuries ago) we merely want understanding that the lyrics to those songs (in our current context) are dangerous, and should not be encouraged. It speaks of something in the past which will very likely be misinterpreted and could continue to encourage racial divide and hostility.

      Cuba12 - 2011-09-20 14:55

      Actually Kolobe, slavery is a part of human history. Asians practiced slavery, so did Arabs, Europeans, Africans and so on. It is a part of our common history, and a shameful part at that, and as such it has been banned, and while it is something that we will always remember, it should no longer be practiced today... much like songs and chants proclaiming to kill others based upon race/nationality/gender/sexual orientation/etc. Remember, the goal now is to create a better world, and as such, we should remember the ills of the past so as not to repeat them and that is why songs like this belong in museums and history books, not at political rallies.

      kolobe - 2011-09-20 14:58

      you know what slavery is still here,look at south africa

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 15:05

      Another Idiot Joins The Club!

      Sparkys - 2011-09-20 15:06

      Kolobe, is rape your culture??

      GuyverXT9 - 2011-09-20 15:06

      @kolobe: why don't you answer MeltdowN's question? as for your comment about slavery, yes it is, and your new master is the ANC. Too bad they are doing such a good job in fooling you that it is still apartheid's fault.

      fishycraig - 2011-09-20 15:06

      @Kolobe - Go look where modern day slavery is occurring. Yep, it is your black brothers up in West Africa. And anyway, who sold the slaves to the whites and Arabs in the past? Yep, more of your black brothers. That chocolate chip on your shoulder is weighing you down.

      Jacques Jones - 2011-09-20 15:10

      @kolobe yes slavery is alive and well in sa. you are a mental slave to your anc masters obeying their every word even though they starve your brothers and sisters.

      kolobe - 2011-09-20 15:18

      MeltdowN farmer and whitey murders are proportionally the least in the country,am not sure why a bigger tantrum about them

      HiJack - 2011-09-20 15:23

      Kolobe, explain your last point about it being in proportion? Proportion to what?

      Travie - 2011-09-20 15:29

      KOLOBE CUS THAT IS HOW WE EAT YOU IDIOT, DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT A FARMERS OCCUPATION IS?

      Tokkel Loshi - 2011-09-20 16:13

      @ kolobe , Nope yours go check history

      Wonderboy - 2011-09-20 16:40

      @ kolobe Slavery is not our culture but it was yours and We put a stop to it. So if you want to continue your culture in that way, be my guest.

      Gpurs - 2011-09-20 21:26

      @Kolobe - Apartheid was a system of segregation not slavery, numbnuts. But since you brought it up why don't we have a little look at who had a hand in slavery? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjuu1ZOF-o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug_snHVsh7Q&feature=channel_video_title Also, people like the Scots were enslaved by the Romans since before the birth of Christ, looooong before you lot ever even considered selling your buddies off to the evil west, yet you don't hear them bleating about it today. You only ever hear you lot, over and over and over and over and over again. Why is that?

      Philip - 2011-09-21 12:20

      @kolobe .... are you aware that there was also white slaves ?? The Arabs were the main slave traders, you can go and see these once slave markets till today ... African slaves was bought from Africans ???

      G-spotWizard - 2011-09-21 13:37

      @Born to fish, please take this Blade nzimande and minister of transport Sbu and all of you go fishing.

  • Henk - 2011-09-20 14:26

    The old flag and the Stem are part of the History of many White South Africans. The Holocaust is part of the History of Germany. Being part of History does not make it right! Unless they want to implement it in the present which definitely makes it wrong!

      MeltdowN - 2011-09-20 14:27

      Agreed!

      Kgaogelo - 2011-09-20 14:40

      Our history was for a good welfare of the people while yours was meant to undermine the rights of the people. So the two cannot be compared.

      Pixie1984 - 2011-09-20 15:05

      Kgaogelo - I agree with you to a point. Apartheid was undermining the rights of black people. Shoot the boer however is undermining the rights of white farmers - impressionable youngsters are taking this literally and being a white farmer living on an isolated farm is quite dodgy and most that are murdered are done is demeaning and dispicable ways. You could possibly understand why us white folk are up in arms about this song. I don't understand where the struggle comes into it. The truth seems to be that words to the same effect first were chanted in Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC) circles in the early 1990s along with their infamous slogan of “one settler, one bullet”. Peter Mokaba from the ANC borrowed the slogan and began chanting his “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” version in 1993 after the murder of ANC and Communist Party leader, Chris Hani. In none of the sources on the origins of the song which could be identified, can any indication be found that the song has ever been part of the ANC repertoire of songs during the struggle days.

      Kgaogelo - 2011-09-20 15:11

      @People Hater,you can get all emotional but we both know the truth. So stop acting wierd,it's not attractive.

      Point Blank - 2011-09-20 15:21

      @Kgaogelo, answer Pixies comment if you have the intelligence to do so.

      HiJack - 2011-09-20 15:24

      Kgaoaoaogelo, what truth is this? The one passed down to you via cave paintings and stories around the camp fire?

      Henk - 2011-09-20 15:25

      The ANC planted limpet mines in shopping centres. Was that also for the greater good? You never freed this country, De Klerk gave it to you!

      People Hater - 2011-09-20 15:26

      @Kgaogelo People just have no idea how weird I can be, usually until it is too late. Actually I am extremely attractive, and get told so quite frequently. Smile... Satan loves you.

      BRAKKENJAN STORMER - 2011-09-20 15:32

      Henk,let us take out our old SA flags and sing Uit die blou van onse hemel,they the anc can go to hell.they are a lot of rapist,murderers with zuma and all.

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-20 15:36

      Hang on - flying the old flag is deemed offensive, but it isn't actually banned is it? (besides at sports venues)

      Pixie1984 - 2011-09-20 15:45

      I liked our old flag. You didn't waste a whole pack of crayons drawing it like the new one....

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-20 16:25

      @ Pixie1984 - yup, it was a lovely flag. Even as a young lad in England I used to like it because of the UK flag inside, as well as a weird one looking like the USA (OFS) :-) and it just smacked of history... whereas I'm not sure anyone knows the meaning of the new flag! Still, old is old and new is new...

      Valis - 2011-09-20 18:25

      @Matt :-) Take a good look at the new flag. Now fold the flag in half, so the blue and the red part are folded underneath and not in view. Now have a look at what you have. What is left is the black, gold and green colours of the ANC. This is NOT a South African flag, it is the ANC party colours, slightly camouflaged with the red and blue parts.

      brownbliss - 2011-09-21 12:53

      @Henk you right lots of things are part of history and should not be repeated. However banning people from partaking in either its memories and singing of it thats wrong. If the ANC government was so bad against afrikaner culture the first thing that would go would be Voortrekker Monument, Guess what its still there? As for all the people crying about name changes be accomadating to the massess the ANC have not called for Vootrekker Monument to be demolished that should serve as a sign of some SORT of respect to the white culture.

      Kenko - 2011-09-22 08:19

      @Brownbliss, I also think they wanted to demolish the Voortrekker Monument, but that would send a clear signal of their true intentions. They would have a rebellion on their hands, and frankly, they knew that they needed the whites still. It is now becoming clear what their intentions are, and it won't be long before they really tear down the Monument. You see, by now they don't care who knows what they really want. Communism works in insidious ways.

  • Blondemoment - 2011-09-20 14:26

    So the ANC will fight for this hurtful song. Why don't they just replace the first part of our national anthem with 'Kill the Boer' and get it over with! WHERE IS THE DA IN ALL THIS? Their silence is of great concern....

      Tolerant - 2011-09-20 15:10

      The DA is not unhappy with the judgement, I think. But they might be sad to be without a Malema in SA, as he is driving many people towards the DA.

      allie - 2011-09-20 15:19

      The DA is not going to offend the black voters.They need them.Politics stink and so do politicians.

      Point Blank - 2011-09-20 15:22

      @People Hater, shut up.

      TVR - 2011-09-20 17:07

      @Ntfutfuko - try and read further than the heading :) "However, the judgment was a "well-aimed rebuke to an irresponsible young rabble-rouser who no one in their right mind believes was nostalgically intoning struggle songs", said Smuts. She said the DA found the judgment interesting and useful."

      Sakkie Van de Spuy - 2011-09-20 17:42

      @ Ntfutfuko Read the complete article...sunshine... I am guessing, you still have Grade 2, reading abilities...only looking at the pictures and BIG words...

      Ntfutfuko - 2011-09-20 21:15

      Perhaps you should also read the article and understand DA perspective... "Smuts said the DA thought Lamont's ruling was wrong because it extended the ban to all persons" To me it appears as if the DA wanted the ruling to apply on Malema only, and nullifies the fact that the song itself is hate speech regardless of sings it...

  • beicime - 2011-09-20 14:26

    The constitution and crime lesgislation does not apply to the ANC. What a sad future for the poor and unemployed of South Africa.

  • Martin du Plessis - 2011-09-20 14:27

    I wonder why it is the ANC are so desperate to cling onto such a SMALL yet HATE-FILLED part of history which isn't even theirs to begin with.

      Tolerant - 2011-09-20 14:35

      They have always been better at liberation and struggle than ruling.

      Wasp - 2011-09-20 14:41

      Just remember, 300 years ago they had the land and we had the bibles today we have the land and they have the bibles. Wouldn’t you be somewhat unhappy?

      GuyverXT9 - 2011-09-20 15:08

      Exactly what Tolerant said. The ANC needs hatred and racism to hide their inadequacies from their voting machine. Clowns leading morons.

      Ogre - 2011-09-20 15:40

      They have to cling to selective history and rhetoric to justify the wrongs of the present and the future and to hide their inadequacies.

      People Hater - 2011-09-20 16:18

      They have always been better at stealing the PAC's struggle credentials and claiming them as their own.

  • ~daisy_d~ - 2011-09-20 14:28

    they still fail to see the bigger picture...why am I not surprised? it's actually ridiculous...eish!

  • Robin7 - 2011-09-20 14:28

    Bombing & killing civilians? Far from heroic. 'for that history to be wiped out is completely unacceptable to us'. So is the threat of violence against the 'ibhunu'. Rather keep quiet and let people think you are an idiot than open you mouth and prove it.

  • CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-09-20 14:28

    The racist ANC is just so pathetic!

      HiJack - 2011-09-20 14:35

      BEE and AA not a race based policy?

      Kgaogelo - 2011-09-20 14:41

      @Sganja,I agree with you.

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 14:42

      Anc not racist? LMFAO you're an idiot

      Kgaogelo - 2011-09-20 14:44

      @HiJack,Nope,it's meant to empower the people who were denied the rights and previledges in their own country. Apartheid has done more damage more than you could ever imagine.

      HiJack - 2011-09-20 14:52

      Kgaogelo. I donn't see black kids going to school to empower themselves. They are too busy burning the schools down. They've got the rights today but don't use them, choosing rather to blame everyone else for their hardships.

      piet.strydom - 2011-09-20 14:55

      @sganja - and yes, the consequences of what they sing be damned, right? What memories do you think the loved ones of the people below have? http://www.wix.com/ajkraad/genocide-museum

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 14:57

      You can't get what you want so you're throwing your toys out the cot and performing like little children. Kindly grow the f*ck up. Apartheid is over. Move forward, not backward.

      Kgaogelo - 2011-09-20 15:00

      You think people just wake up in the morning and decide to burn schools? Beside I actually don't think you have an idea of what apartheid is.

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 15:08

      Luckily, before the ANC f^cked up education, I was able to learn about Apartheid. And yes. I Disagree with it. But atm what you and the ANC think/believe to be right, is completely detrimental to the growth of South Africa as a nation. Why not get your ANC to IMPROVE things. How many issues are being neglected because of the temper tantrum of ONE little song?

      fishycraig - 2011-09-20 15:09

      And South Africa is the only country where those in political power and with the vast majority of the population need AA and BEE to get ahead. It isn't about whites here but rather about the ineptitude of blacks.

      Jacques Jones - 2011-09-20 15:14

      @kgaogelo why burn the school in the first place? it costs money to fix! money that could have been spent on something else to help uplift and empower the masses. let go of this bloody mindset

      Kgaogelo - 2011-09-20 15:19

      Mystre,ANC is still in a learning process and there will be mistakes there and there. 17 years is nothing compared to centuries and centuries of leadership by the then government. We were not aloud to talk about their mistakes before coz we did not have the freedom of expression.

      pop101 - 2011-09-20 15:29

      The National Party was elected to power in 1948 - where do you get your centuries and centuries from? And in 50 odd years they made SA an economic powerhouse, while participating in a war. To bad it all is going to waist now.

      GuyverXT9 - 2011-09-20 15:31

      @Kgaogelo: "Centuries and centuries of leadership by the then government". BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Always the victim. Shame. I pity you.

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 15:35

      To say they're in a "learning process" means they're actually LEARNING something. I highly doubt they've learnt anything other than how to count in the hundreds of thousands with their bank notes.

      Alpahbrutus - 2011-09-20 15:44

      @Kgaogelo Where do you get off excusing racism? BEE and AA policies are racist. Beneficiaries of BEE and AA are determined according to the colour of their skin. Ergo it is racially motivated. It excludes certain people purely due to the colour of their skin, pure and simple, and therefore it is a racist policy. What is more, it's principal motivation is retribution, revenge for apartheid. The only problem is that the white businesses are working around it so the racist ANC and their lackeys like you have to constantly scramble to come up with ever more stringent punitive measures to make the whites "feel" just what it was like to languish under the yoke of apartheid - although I doubt if you, yourself did. They are pathetic, misguided policies that are destroying South Africa and anyone who accepts that they have any legitimacy after 17 years of ANC misrule is quite plainly racist too.

  • Charlie - 2011-09-20 14:31

    Oh come on! Banning that song does not wipe out the ANC history. All this song does is incite war. Think about it, if the ANC and the Youth League were to agree to stop singing this song it might actually assist in the uniting of all South Africans!

      Boerseun - 2011-09-20 15:30

      I agree, their history will always stand for what is is; Murder, rape, pillage, corruption and RACISM.

      Dinti - 2011-09-20 15:47

      Boer seun you ignorant idiot

  • beicime - 2011-09-20 14:32

    The Soviet Union symbol was not allowed to be registered in Europe because it is an offense to the former Soviet Union countries. No one is claiming heritage values because they respect each other and their heritage is civilized.

      brownbliss - 2011-09-21 12:57

      Okay lets bring down the Voortrekker Monument one brick at a time because its offensive! Does that make sense????

  • Stephan Janse van Vuuren - 2011-09-20 14:32

    I doubt an appeal will be successful. If however, it is, it opens another can of worms with regards to the history of white South African citizens who's history was thrown into the dustbin by the cANCer led government. All those changes made to place names, street names and changing what history is thought in schools, will have to be addressed and corrected, AGAIN.

      Stephan Janse van Vuuren - 2011-09-20 14:55

      And inciting violence by singing "Shoot the Boer" is not evil?

      CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-09-20 14:58

      As is the present and future of the blacks Kgaogelo.

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 15:00

      The history of the previous government was evil. No point continuing to hate those that have passed. Grow up? Move on? You're like a scorned woman going on and on about the past. Let it go and PROGRESS (MOVE ON). No REGRESS.

      45skin - 2011-09-20 15:15

      mystre, keep your mothers behavior to yourself.

      GuyverXT9 - 2011-09-20 15:21

      @Kgaogelo: And the history the ANC is currently creating is evil, which makes you evil. Have fun racking your brain with that one smart-ass.

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 15:23

      45skin, construct a relevant argument.

      Point Blank - 2011-09-20 15:28

      Kgaogelo, so was black history... stupid idiot, pretend like you were all big mates before the white man came. You were stabbing each other with spears and hitting each other with sticks, voetsek man.

      Boerseun - 2011-09-20 15:32

      @kaogelo; That history was what gave you all this nice things you lot now so screw up, including that PC your typing on, this language and many other things...wake up and do not be stupid all yer life.

      fishycraig - 2011-09-20 15:32

      @Kgaogelo - Whites - "was". Modern blacks - "IS".

      Kgaogelo - 2011-09-20 15:37

      Point Blank,ha ha ha ha.....You must attend anger management course. The chances are that you are an embarassment to your family.

      Point Blank - 2011-09-20 15:48

      @Kgaogelo, is that it? Is that your come back? *Sigh* ... I'm off to look for someone intelligent.

      GuyverXT9 - 2011-09-20 15:49

      @Kgaogelo: You are actually quite pathetic. Hurling insults left and right, but unable to go into a proper debate, or give a valid answer when someone asks you a legitimate question. No wonder you are still struggling.

      phoantoinix - 2011-09-20 16:55

      People like Kgaogelo are evil. The ANC is evil. Most SAn Bantus are evil. These are our historical beliefs, and neither the courts, nor the ANC are arbiters over the fact that they are Satan's spawn -at worst, God's naughty children at best.

      MY opinion! - 2011-09-21 23:28

      @ Guyver, You are 100% right, not one of these comments comming from the black people carries any weight. Insted of defending their stance they are damageing their own image more with grade 7 type insults, without realizing it. Very peculiar indeed.

  • Roughdog - 2011-09-20 14:33

    The flag unites us, the national anthem makes us all proud our sports teams makes us number 1. The country is undivided when we back the soccer, cricket, rugby, hockey. We all want to be happy and put the past behind us... SO WHY!!?? do we need a song like "kill the boer" around surely it will always divide the country and never unite us!!!!!

      Neill Mackenzie - 2011-09-20 15:01

      Eendracht maakt macht(power in unity). I think ANC is afraid what will happen if a minority unites.

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-09-20 15:31

      @neill. we are already uniting.

      MY opinion! - 2011-09-21 23:29

      Same here!!

  • Richie - 2011-09-20 14:33

    That's a way to go, not just support your boy Juju. History will remain history and we just need to thing rationale as human beings not animals. Songs can be sang only when there is a need. Also, we can compose new songs to incoporate old songs in them.

  • Marc - 2011-09-20 14:34

    i love s.a and could give a $@#$ bout politics, if you want to sit and live in fear of the ANC and whinge your life away thats your problem...if you do nothing to make the situation better and just complain about blacks and use your deeply embedded racism as an excuse to hate this country and preach your doom and gloom then you should join expatriots in perth. every country in the world is corrupt, richer countries just hide it better in an intricately webbed bureaucratic system. i refuse to let white ignorance (as irritating as black ignorance) constantly drag this country down. many friends of mine might disagree with me but respect to anc heads for being too stupid or not caring enough to hide their corruption.. any idiot that thinks the u.s and europes excrement dosnt stink is seroiously ignorant ,their cheating and corruption and hypocrisy is just far more sophisiticated and too clever for the masses to see, while our corruption and idiocy is right in our face alll the time...go bokke

      piet.strydom - 2011-09-20 14:52

      @Marc - You seriously miss the point Boet. Nowhere in the US or Europe will something like the below happen. But while some of the more devilish ANC leaders on the fringe sprout hate on the sidelines (although Malema is not really a sideline?) their followers are murdering, raping and torturing elderly women, children and everything in between. http://www.wix.com/ajkraad/genocide-museum

      Marc - 2011-09-20 15:49

      @new26 please stop deleting my comments while all these people write these hateful things and im just writng about how messed up the u.s govt is...are you guys owned by an american media company? probably @frank hook up 4 a jam and cheeese @piet though malema seems way more evil then obama for instance, what obama represents causes so much more damage and suffering around the world then malema and his little homeys could ever cause in thier wildest megalomaniacal dreams - all politicians are useless and subject to a corrupt system based on money being the grease that makes any decision go smoothly no matter who it steps on.truth. dont delete me becuase the truth of what i say scares you.tnks and have a nice day

  • Pekkie - 2011-09-20 14:34

    No respect for the law in Parliament thus no law on the streets!

  • burtfred - 2011-09-20 14:35

    But Blade, you are a member/leader of the SA Communist party. What gives you the right to speak on behalf the ANC?

      Musa Ngubane - 2011-09-20 14:42

      Comrade Blade is a member of the ANC NEC, in case you did not know.

      Henk - 2011-09-20 14:47

      They are one party along with Cosatu.

      burtfred - 2011-09-20 14:50

      Yes Musa, of course I know Blade is a member of the ANC NEC, p**ph*l. My point is, why is he? Does he like his bread to be buttered both sides?

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 15:01

      regardless of his party. He's an idiot

      Woodworkclas - 2011-09-20 15:06

      He is riding the gravy train that all, he doesn't give a damn for the ANC. Just give me money and I'll do what you say.

      Mtizozo - 2011-09-20 16:41

      do you understand SA politics,??

      burtfred - 2011-09-20 17:50

      @Mtizozo, No I don't understand SA politics. I don't understand why so many people in SA keep voting for a bunch of arrogant, corrupt, racist, disconnected crooks to govern the country. Hard to fathom. I suppose you can understand SA politics because you are "black"?

  • Statistics - 2011-09-20 14:36

    And there we go again. We surely have a lot of money to waste by the sound of it!

  • 2dots - 2011-09-20 14:36

    What don’t you understand singing "shoot the Boer", is inciting hate, the Boer is the Afrikaner then and still is. Just because the Black is in majority don’t think you can do as you please there are always consequences to your actions, be careful the table don’t turn on you the majority

  • PRKER - 2011-09-20 14:36

    So.. Lets say it as it is here... the ANC need their 'history' and 'struggle' agenda to remain in this present time-frame, or they have nothing? Is it saying that to reform and look to the future without 'their past' means they cant survive? Poor South Africa and her people.

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 14:45

      I think its because when their voters actually wake up, and realize that they have no idea wtf they're doing, then the ANC will lose power. So they stir them up with History to cling on to the very thin string of faith they have.

  • Tiltonred - 2011-09-20 14:37

    Okay then! Here goes: 'Uit die blou van onse hemel, uit die diepte van ons see! Oor ons ewige gebergtes, waar die kranse antwoord gee.......!' Now tell me next time not to sing this IN FULL at any event and see wat I stick out for you! I have never heard anything so twofaced as this! O yeah, Die Stem is also my CULTURE and my HERITAGE!

  • Adams - 2011-09-20 14:38

    When will they actually wake up to the simple fact that, because something is part of your history does not mean that it is acceptable now. Slavery was part of white americas history, now its gone, anti-judaism and anti-jew songs were part of Germany, now its not. As time goes on things that were acceptable do become unacceptable and vice versa. No one is denying thats it is of historical significance, but it just doesnt have place in our society now.

  • Willyza - 2011-09-20 14:38

    National Party part 2. We had them once and now we getting them again. We the people of South Africa are stupid

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 14:46

      Don't blame the whole of south africa. Just the Majority of it

  • Stryder - 2011-09-20 14:38

    Slavery is also history. Talk about dodging the issue.

  • GT - 2011-09-20 14:38

    So the ANC is a law unto itself. Glad you cleared that up commissar. The ANC wanted the equality court. IT WAS YOUR IDEA!

      fraidycat - 2011-09-20 20:15

      The problem is, that on paper something looks like a great idea, all controllable - until you open pandoras box and the sh*t hits the fan - and all of a sudden you get rullings against yourself!

  • Kgaogelo - 2011-09-20 14:39

    Big ups to Blade Nzimande. This country needs people like you.

      Benji - 2011-09-20 14:45

      Cant agree more bra kgaoza

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 14:46

      And the country does not need people like you.

      Henk - 2011-09-20 14:48

      Not

      Kgaogelo - 2011-09-20 14:54

      I mean people who will stand up and say enough is enough.

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 15:14

      So you want people to say enough is enough? Which is exactly what that judge did. he said ENOUGH to HATE SPEECH. Not ANC history. Well done on contradicting yourself

      TreeFarmer - 2011-09-20 15:15

      Singing a song about killing a person , no matter who, of what race or denomination, is in it's simplest form a gross utterance in favour of evil. Struggle song or not, that song will still get innocent people killed for greed, not political freedom (which has been around for 14 years supposedly). catch a damn wake up you past dwelling moron!

      Boerseun - 2011-09-20 15:33

      Your children will one day name you and Blade idiots for the evil you are doing now.

      Ubhejane - 2011-09-20 15:43

      Indeed we need more Blades in this country.

      Wildebeest - 2011-09-20 15:49

      No mate, country needs people who don't sing about killing others, its not rocket science. I guess it will never change as it is just the savage way of the african, which in itself has produced such stellar results throughout the rest of the continent.

      fraidycat - 2011-09-20 20:16

      Lord forgive them as they know not what they do!

  • 2WhiteStars - 2011-09-20 14:39

    It's not the history of the ANC they should be concerned about, it's the FUTURE of South Africa. Because right now it doesn't look like we really have one.

      Rural-boy - 2011-09-20 15:30

      ANC did not force people to sing this song and we will not be forced to stop sing the song and if the court tries to stop us they will only popularize it. Songs are composed randomly by what is happening around us and if we have not yet feel like singing new song we will song our old songs.

      Ubhejane - 2011-09-20 15:44

      Then migrate to Australia, we dont need eternal pessimists like you here

      Pmk901 - 2011-09-20 15:52

      Ubhobhejaan :-)!

      Point Blank - 2011-09-20 15:57

      @Rural-boy, so screw everyone else right? And you want equal rights? But you can't even extend the same courtesy to other South Africans. Here lies the problem umfaan, you cannot go around screwing everyone else and expecting them to accept you... Really, it is very simple, even a 2 year old can understand that.

      Tokkel Loshi - 2011-09-20 16:16

      @ Ubhejane , Just give us time , It will happen they way the anc runs this country , If you havent realised we like things to work. The things we build still works , but not for long , VIVA Zibabwe ,enjoy your new masters !!

  • ShRoOm PoPsiCLe - 2011-09-20 14:41

    Black slavery and apartheid is in our history.. should we go back to that ANC? Because what you guys are saying is that the courts don't matter and as long as it is in your history then that is fine. So I guess Germany can go back to the Nazi way of killing jews and trying to take over Europe by force.. because it is in their history? Can we go back to keeping black slaves in chains because it is in our history? Grow up ANC! Stop wasting our time and money on appeals which are NOT for the good of the nation!

  • Mlu - 2011-09-20 14:44

    'Shoot the boer' has no other meaning than what it says. I agree that this chant is historical but it is about time we all moved on. Moreover, it is historical not to all South Africans. There are those who never sang the chant. There are also those (like in the ANCYL) who were not born when the chant was sung for purposes of fighting and defeating apartheid. If we continue to chant this terrible song without a context, today's black youth will take it literally to mean what it says, especially if the ANC leaders continue to sing it to raise emotions. Members of the ANCYL will unfortunately NOT view it in a historical sense, but in the present sense. The result is the marginalisation of the white minority in the country, including those in the ANC. The song is contrary to what we fought for: non-racialism and reconciliation.

      Veezo85 - 2011-09-20 14:52

      The song is not contrary to what we fought for. It is about the History, people are not stupid enough to simply "shoot the boer" just because someone signs it. It is part of History and it is good history

      rainman - 2011-09-20 14:58

      Mlu, well spoken..with more people like you with your thinking, we can actually re-build this beautiful country. My dream is actually for everyone to just get on and do your bit to make this a better place for all.

      Bardy - 2011-09-20 17:49

      Nice Mlu! I agree with you 100% I just wish all the black people could think the same way. This is such a beautiful country we live in. It's just a pity the people in it is so hateful!

  • Tassenberg - 2011-09-20 14:44

    I must've been reading the wrong verdict, as I didn't see the one that said the song must be removed from history in total. Yet I'm still wondering when does one's history give you the right to disrespect others, and I think that was more what should have been said, that we should respect each others cultures, but should also remember that no culture/people has the right to call for the killing of another.

  • Fowlie - 2011-09-20 14:45

    F... the struggle! We have almost moved on 20 years now and they are still going on about the struggle. Nothing would have been different, even without apartheid. Look at Africa and the state it is in. Enough said.

  • Trumpi - 2011-09-20 14:45

    Let's all sing the Stem together. With respect to everyone, of course.

      sganja - 2011-09-20 14:49

      Don't force to do something which is not there, I mean you are only singing die stem because they sing shoot.....?

      Stephan Janse van Vuuren - 2011-09-20 15:02

      Uit die blou van onse hemel, Uit die diepte van ons see, Oor ons ewige gebergtes Waar die kranse antwoord gee. Deur ons vêr verlate vlaktes Met die kreun van ossewa. Ruis die stem van ons geliefde, Van ons land Suid-Afrika. Ons sal antwoord op jou roepstem, Ons sal offer wat jy vra: Ons sal lewe, ons sal sterwe, Ons vir jou, Suid-Afrika. In die murg van ons gebeente, in ons hart en siel en gees, In ons roem op ons verlede, In ons hoop op wat sal wees. In ons wil en werk en wandel, Van ons wieg tot aan ons graf. Deel geen ander land ons liefde, Trek geen ander trou ons af. Vaderland, ons sal die adel Van jou naam met ere dra: Waar en trou as Afrikaners, Kinders van Suid-Afrika. In die songloed van ons somer, in ons winternag se kou, In die lente van ons liefde, in die lanfer van ons rou. By die klink van huw'liksklokkies, by die kluit-klap op die kis. Streel jou stem ons nooit verniet nie, Weet jy waar jou kinders is. Op jou roep sê ons nooit née nie, Sê ons altyd, altyd ja: Om te lewe, om te sterwe Ja, ons kom, Suid-Afrika. Op U Almag vas vertrouend het ons vadere gebou: Skenk ook ons die krag, o Here! Om te handhaaf en te hou. Dat die erwe van ons vadere Vir ons kinders erwe bly: Knegte van die Allerhoogste, Teen die hele wêreld vry. Soos ons vadere vertrou het, Leer ook ons vertrou, o Heer: Met ons land en met ons nasie Sal dit wel wees, God regeer.

      sganja - 2011-09-20 15:06

      @Stephen Booooooooooooooooo!!!!!

      Stephan Janse van Vuuren - 2011-09-20 15:11

      lol sganja, you can't even read my name and retype it correctly. Back to your cave you go.

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 15:15

      You're a pathetic excuse for a South African.

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 15:37

      I'm refering to sganja, not steven.

      Big.Dog - 2011-09-20 15:38

      GIVE Stephan Janse van Vuuren A BELLS!!!!!!! AL TOGETHER NOW!!!!! Uit die blou van onse hemel, Uit die diepte van ons see, Oor ons ewige gebergtes Waar die kranse antwoord gee. Deur ons vêr verlate vlaktes Met die kreun van ossewa. Ruis die stem van ons geliefde, Van ons land Suid-Afrika. Ons sal antwoord op jou roepstem, Ons sal offer wat jy vra: Ons sal lewe, ons sal sterwe, Ons vir jou, Suid-Afrika. In die murg van ons gebeente, in ons hart en siel en gees, In ons roem op ons verlede, In ons hoop op wat sal wees. In ons wil en werk en wandel, Van ons wieg tot aan ons graf. Deel geen ander land ons liefde, Trek geen ander trou ons af. Vaderland, ons sal die adel Van jou naam met ere dra: Waar en trou as Afrikaners, Kinders van Suid-Afrika. In die songloed van ons somer, in ons winternag se kou, In die lente van ons liefde, in die lanfer van ons rou. By die klink van huw'liksklokkies, by die kluit-klap op die kis. Streel jou stem ons nooit verniet nie, Weet jy waar jou kinders is. Op jou roep sê ons nooit née nie, Sê ons altyd, altyd ja: Om te lewe, om te sterwe Ja, ons kom, Suid-Afrika. Op U Almag vas vertrouend het ons vadere gebou: Skenk ook ons die krag, o Here! Om te handhaaf en te hou. Dat die erwe van ons vadere Vir ons kinders erwe bly: Knegte van die Allerhoogste, Teen die hele wêreld vry. Soos ons vadere vertrou het, Leer ook ons vertrou, o Heer: Met ons land en met ons nasie Sal dit wel wees, God regeer.

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-20 16:31

      Despite being an English expat I can sing it in Afrikaans, not in English! Uit die blou van onse hemel, Uit die diepte van ons see, Oor ons ewige gebergtes Waar die kranse antwoord gee. Deur ons vêr verlate vlaktes Met die kreun van ossewa. Ruis die stem van ons geliefde, Van ons land Suid-Afrika. Ons sal antwoord op jou roepstem, Ons sal offer wat jy vra: Ons sal lewe, ons sal sterwe, Ons vir jou, Suid-Afrika. In die murg van ons gebeente, in ons hart en siel en gees, In ons roem op ons verlede, In ons hoop op wat sal wees. In ons wil en werk en wandel, Van ons wieg tot aan ons graf. Deel geen ander land ons liefde, Trek geen ander trou ons af. Vaderland, ons sal die adel Van jou naam met ere dra: Waar en trou as Afrikaners, Kinders van Suid-Afrika. In die songloed van ons somer, in ons winternag se kou, In die lente van ons liefde, in die lanfer van ons rou. By die klink van huw'liksklokkies, by die kluit-klap op die kis. Streel jou stem ons nooit verniet nie, Weet jy waar jou kinders is. Op jou roep sê ons nooit née nie, Sê ons altyd, altyd ja: Om te lewe, om te sterwe Ja, ons kom, Suid-Afrika. Op U Almag vas vertrouend het ons vadere gebou: Skenk ook ons die krag, o Here! Om te handhaaf en te hou. Dat die erwe van ons vadere Vir ons kinders erwe bly: Knegte van die Allerhoogste, Teen die hele wêreld vry. Soos ons vadere vertrou het, Leer ook ons vertrou, o Heer: Met ons land en met ons nasie Sal dit wel wees, God regeer.

      fraidycat - 2011-09-20 20:20

      With respect, I will then also sing the songs of my past! Uit die blou van onse hemel, Uit die diepte van ons see, Oor ons ewige gebergtes Waar die kranse antwoord gee. Deur ons vêr verlate vlaktes Met die kreun van ossewa. Ruis die stem van ons geliefde, Van ons land Suid-Afrika. Ons sal antwoord op jou roepstem, Ons sal offer wat jy vra: Ons sal lewe, ons sal sterwe, Ons vir jou, Suid-Afrika. In die murg van ons gebeente, in ons hart en siel en gees, In ons roem op ons verlede, In ons hoop op wat sal wees. In ons wil en werk en wandel, Van ons wieg tot aan ons graf. Deel geen ander land ons liefde, Trek geen ander trou ons af. Vaderland, ons sal die adel Van jou naam met ere dra: Waar en trou as Afrikaners, Kinders van Suid-Afrika. In die songloed van ons somer, in ons winternag se kou, In die lente van ons liefde, in die lanfer van ons rou. By die klink van huw'liksklokkies, by die kluit-klap op die kis. Streel jou stem ons nooit verniet nie, Weet jy waar jou kinders is. Op jou roep sê ons nooit née nie, Sê ons altyd, altyd ja: Om te lewe, om te sterwe Ja, ons kom, Suid-Afrika. Op U Almag vas vertrouend het ons vadere gebou: Skenk ook ons die krag, o Here! Om te handhaaf en te hou. Dat die erwe van ons vadere Vir ons kinders erwe bly: Knegte van die Allerhoogste, Teen die hele wêreld vry. Soos ons vadere vertrou het, Leer ook ons vertrou, o Heer: Met ons land en met ons nasie Sal dit wel wees, God regeer.

  • Benji - 2011-09-20 14:46

    Behold..........We are going 2 put this song in practice in a very near future.

      Diwe - 2011-09-20 14:55

      What a shame to live with hate in your heart :(

      Tassenberg - 2011-09-20 14:58

      You must be from Limpopo dude, as I think some of your brothers has already started, but I'm not worried, it will just confirm the thoughts of the rest of the world when it starts to be seen as genocide. The rest of the world will then say "yes we told you, it was going to happen for you know africans...." . And then 5 years later you will be asking for hand outs from the western world, just like Robert Mugabe even though he doesn't want to thank amrica for the couple of millions they've pumped into the Zim econmy already this year. And words doesn't scare me, ignorance and total stupidity by trolls such as yourself does.

      Tolerant - 2011-09-20 15:15

      Beware some farmers and farm workers might be waiting.

      Adams - 2011-09-20 15:24

      @Benji - See it because of the tsotsis like you that we cant have such a song. In your infinite wisdom my dumb friend you have just proven why it is should be banned, because stupid people respond just like you did. So ridiculous! But thanks for clarifying it, perhaps we should take your comment to the appeal to show just why it must go!

      GuyverXT9 - 2011-09-20 15:37

      @Benji: Make sure you are in front tough guy.

      Benji - 2011-09-20 15:42

      @Tassenberg.... I'm a Gauteng boy who lost his parents in the hands of special branch, had to b raised by my uncle to bcame what i am today. Say what ever u wanna say, but the time is coming. N as for the song we are going to sing it as we used to from the 70's, if we suffer after that the b it. Aluta continua!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Benji - 2011-09-20 15:46

      Its interesting how ur brothers n sister's spill bile n u dont say a sh... about it but when a custodian of freedom lyk me retaliate u scream ur lungs out. hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Point Blank - 2011-09-20 16:06

      @Benji, the "70's"...hahahhaha. I doubt that..liar.

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-20 16:34

      @ Benji - and how exactly has bitterness and lack of forgiveness benefitted you in your life? What has been done cannot be reversed, so you can either choose to hate and be a miserable, bitter person or you can choose to forgive, move on and become a beautiful soul. Oh, and Special Branch is not ALL whites. Just saying brother. Just like a bunch of Irish Catholics blew up a relative of mine in 1992 but I don't blame Irish or Catholic people at all. Just the idiots who did the deed.

      Tassenberg - 2011-09-20 16:41

      Didn't know Gauteng was also slow, don't come here with your Julius Malema tendencies :) . You don't seem to know the history of your own struggle song, Peter Mokaba wanted to out do the "One settler, one bullet" of the PAC, the PAC also sang this song "Dubul'ibhunu", Peter Mokaba wanted to out do them with his catch phrase so he came up with "Kill a boer, kill a farmer". With the TRC (should've been TLC) held in years after apartheid was dismantled, the PAC distanced itself from the song. If you can prove this otherwise by providing me with a sound clip/ video clip / article from that 70's that states that it was already used in that era, please feel free to do so. Sorry to hear about your parents, but hating people for the past will only make you a bitter person in the future.

      Marjorie - 2011-09-20 16:47

      What song are you refering to Benji? Enjoying the "Blue Sky" or enjoying the murders?

  • mo-man - 2011-09-20 14:48

    Eet snot Blade!!

  • BB - 2011-09-20 14:48

    So if I understand correct. THE ANC AND THE ANC ALONE WILL DECIDE WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG! Think they are worse than the National Party!!

      Veezo85 - 2011-09-20 14:56

      @BB, probably coz the NAtional Party was ran by yo grandfather

      mylord - 2011-09-20 15:09

      @BB National party=DA

      Point Blank - 2011-09-20 15:33

      There you have it fols, the level of intelligence in the two comments above...hahahaha... thickers then planks I tell you.

      mdd - 2011-09-20 15:35

      No the NP joined the anc you twat

  • Musa Ngubane - 2011-09-20 14:48

    We will not allow courts to dump our struggle history. While we respect the judiciary, but this judge took this issue too far. Struggle songs are our heritage, they remind us about the long march to freedom. We therefore don't want judges who are frustrated by the fall of apartheid, to use the courts and their power to re-write our struggle history.

      cookEmonster - 2011-09-20 14:57

      why don't you just get over you struggle for a change and move on!?

      Pickle - 2011-09-20 15:12

      You don't respect anything man... You want education but burn down the schools you have, you want hospitals but steal from them.. You can't even spell respect man And by "you" i mean ANC supporters.... All you guys are good at is DEMANDING and if you don't get your way you throw your tantrums like little children.. somebody ought to smack your backsides already.

      50something - 2011-09-20 15:14

      is it perhaps because the judge was white?

      Mlu - 2011-09-20 15:24

      History should remain history. It should be something we look at to determine the future and not to reinvent the past. Apartheid died in 1994 and the boers are no longer in power in this country. Now the present day ANC is really disappointing. They are behaving like cowards - kicking a man when he's already down. It is about time to move on and to build this country, black and white.

      TreeFarmer - 2011-09-20 15:25

      History - if remembered with an open mind and positive insight - cannot be rewritten, you fool. Now, using lessons gained by history, move forward to a better place instead of wallowing in self agrandisement and anger. (in simple terms, get the f...k over yourselves and lets get to a better place)

      Tolerant - 2011-09-20 15:26

      The armed struggle was called of in 1990 by Mandela ("throw your spears in the sea") This song originated in 1993 after Hani was shot and is not part of the struggle. Stop struggling and look ahead.

      Veezo85 - 2011-09-20 15:28

      @ Pickle, You say that while you and the rest of the minority is sitting comfortably with good opportunities and went to great schools... Maybe people demand because they have nothing and with the millions who have nothing, they need the government to help them survive

      Point Blank - 2011-09-20 15:34

      @musa, you sound like a record. Can you actually think for yourself? Or do you vomit what all other ANC dumbwits vomit?

      Boerseun - 2011-09-20 15:34

      No, this judge did what is morally correct.

      GuyverXT9 - 2011-09-20 15:38

      @cookEmonster: the only thing they are good at is struggling.

  • ubufakazi - 2011-09-20 14:48

    such contradictiions! "We do not believe it is the role of the courts to be the arbiters of our own history... for that history to be wiped out is completely unacceptable to us." and yet we changed street names, banned Die Stem and so on! I'm confused..

      Veezo85 - 2011-09-20 14:58

      The song is good part of history, history for a good course. And the names are changed to represent the people that contributed to the liberation of the people.

      ubufakazi - 2011-09-20 15:16

      We will never forget what South Africans went through but the fact is we all remain South Africans and must find a way to live in peace with each other! the way way things are going now it seems we are now moving backwards.. KILL? SHOOT? singing in pride!!! how is it a good part of our history? Let's not promote hate, violance and segregations South Africans.

      Veezo85 - 2011-09-20 15:21

      This Country is divided, either Wealth wise, Opportunity wise and probably in all sectors. And the fact that people want to take away the struggle song that was part of the liberation is going to divide the Country more. This song does not say literally kill the boer, it fights the system, of which still now we have to fight for equality because there is non at the moment..

      ubufakazi - 2011-09-20 15:44

      In my opinion, in a country trying to heal from the wounds of it's history and struggle- keeping in mind that the wounds are still very fresh for most, it's only common sense that we do not embark on a journey that delibaratly keeps us at a stand still instead of moving forward. Vee yes black people suffered no doubt about it but our leaders seem to be capitalising on the pain and suffering!!! and in order to heal we need to start moving forward.

      Veezo85 - 2011-09-20 15:49

      Remembering our struggle including the songs is part of moving forward

      fraidycat - 2011-09-20 20:25

      @Veezo85, so you condone the call to killing/murdering? We have already seen that the majority in this country are followers and not thinkers, they like to run in big groups - so how on earth do you expect them to understand literal vs figurative meanings to a song - when their leaders are dressed like revolutionaries out of mother Russia?

  • cj - 2011-09-20 14:49

    The sharp one misse the obvious poitn that the courts role is to uphold the constitution - that's what it's about

      fraidycat - 2011-09-20 20:30

      It is the role of the court to uphold constitutional rights. The court found that inciting murder via a song is against the constitutional right of some of our citizens. Now it is your right to appeal the ruling, that is how YOU wrote the constitution, now live with it, like adults.

  • Verdade - 2011-09-20 14:49

    I was waiting for this fool's weekly cry, must have taken him 3 days to prepare the statement... Blade you are such a fool!

  • Veezo85 - 2011-09-20 14:50

    The Nazi History was about taking over Europe by force and killing for a selfish reason, ANC History was about liberating the people of the country

      TreeFarmer - 2011-09-20 15:27

      Does that mean farmers are not people of SA? Vuka Wena!

      Veezo85 - 2011-09-20 15:39

      No one says farmers should be murdered literally, who talked about farmers anyway? This song says "shoot the boer" it says nothing about farmers. And by "boer" it means the system

      Mr. B - 2011-09-20 15:50

      @Veezo85 - this is where I get so confused now. The ANC IS the system and HAS been since 1994. It is understandable that people are frustrated, as we have not progressed fast enough as a country, and frustration leads to to anger and outlet. But my friend, I think your anger is misguided. The only reason this inflammatory song is finding so much resonance now is that it is being used as a smokescreen against the majority to deflect attention away from the lack of progress made by government. How many houses were promised ? How many were delivered? It goes on and on..... it's called disinformation mate.

      ubufakazi - 2011-09-20 15:50

      yes it was, but come on Veezo this song man is seriously segregating, incinuates violance causing unneccessary friction in the country!!! the Judge rulled it out, why are our leaders so adament to defy the ends of justice... what example is this setting for the youth!! let's use common sense and be logical for a minute dude!

      Veezo85 - 2011-09-20 16:00

      @Mr B, maybe it is used as a smokescreen or whatever reason.. But it is a struggle song and should remain and not be banned.. That will cause as much divide and the poverty most people live in.. The songs is about killing the system and not the person. @Ubufakazi, BEE and EE is segregating but do you also think it should be banned?

      Mr. B - 2011-09-20 16:18

      @Veezo85 - again mate - the system now is national government. How do you condone a song that is meant to be devisive and has been ruled as hate speech?

      ubufakazi - 2011-09-20 16:40

      Veezo, BEE and Kill the Boer are two different issues dude, come on, you see what I mean about common sense now... let's not confuse the two.

      fraidycat - 2011-09-20 20:33

      The court obviously felt that not enough people would understand the literal vs the figurative - and why take that chance in a country were we are still healing, still finding our feet together?

  • Deset Rat - 2011-09-20 14:50

    Blade and the ANC have lost the plot completely. The song is "hate speech" pure and simple and is unappropriate to be sung in a democratic South Africa.

  • SilentGenius - 2011-09-20 14:51

    Dr Nzimande - you are on the right track - learn the learners even further wrong - you definitely building an educated nation the way you are going now.

      Mystre - 2011-09-20 14:54

      They're building an nation to follow them, said nation is just too stupid/lazy to realize it.

  • Wow! - 2011-09-20 14:53

    Frankly the ANC should be mature enough to realize that the song can be devisive - particulalry when it is sung at meetinsg where it is intended to raise the emotional level of the audience with possible viloent repercussions. Mr. Malema utilizes it in this contect.

  • Sledgedarkwatch - 2011-09-20 14:54

    Your name says what you should do to your wrists.

      Veezo85 - 2011-09-20 14:59

      Then i guess the Apartheid leaders had "Opress" as their names

  • Brainbow - 2011-09-20 14:55

    Hi Blade, I bet your children's children will gasp at your statement, should they (youth) ever one day learn of it. All the very best, Brainbow

  • Vrijheid - 2011-09-20 14:55

    Tik Tok... tik tok, the sound of the clock running out on the wishful thinking of a rainbow nation. Thanks God, people start to realize what they are up against.

  • burtfred - 2011-09-20 14:56

    Ever wondered why the SACP, led by Blade and his misguided mates, don't run for elections on their own? Why would they bother, they are already in power through their simultaneous membership of the ANC.

  • ProfAndy - 2011-09-20 14:57

    Excuse me - slavery was part of white history. Does that mean we must re-introduce it? The point of history is that we should learn from it and try not to make the same mistakes. What would happen if a bunch of whites statred singing racist, anti-black songs (that just happen to be part of history)? These people have got very little grip...