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Crowd sings 'shoot the boer' at court

2011-09-12 12:49

Johannesburg - A crowd broke into singing "dubhula ibhunu", (shoot the boer) at the South Gauteng High Court after the words were declared hate speech on Monday.

"We are not scared," sang another group.

ANC Youth League president Julius Malema, against whom the case was made, was not present.

General secretary Sandiso Magaqa said the league would first study the judgment before responding.

"We will defend the heritage of the ANC," he said, stressing that there was no other response until leaders had been consulted.

In spite of contravening a court order, nobody was apprehended among the group of singers.

Judge Collin Lamont ordered that the words not be used publicly or privately.

An ANCYL member said after the ruling: "When we sing these songs, we sing about history not about racism. I don't understand why he was guilty. We sing about the history of the ANC, there is no racism".

Comments
  • Made_In_SA - 2011-09-12 12:53

    So typical, isn't it impressive to see how these "youth" are so committed to staying away from school and work (the older ones) in support of malema that in fact is nothing more than a burst condom with a loud mouth?

      PietSkiet - 2011-09-12 13:00

      They definately don't go to school or have work because they are all uneducated

      Sharkie-fan - 2011-09-12 13:05

      Ya they don't have work which Malema promised them yet they still stand by his side

      Moonshine - 2011-09-12 13:08

      Strange, when the mouse squeak everybody runs for cover!!!

      HogHo - 2011-09-12 13:25

      @ Moonshine...........clearly you've had too much

      sardonicus - 2011-09-12 14:04

      Its the makings of a personality cult, the curse of African Politics since independence. Blind faith in less than intelligent leaders who incite murder, thievery and hooliganism to intimidate, dominate and then commit genocide is a recurring theme in African history.

      another day - 2011-09-12 14:39

      You describe him to perfection, MiSA.

      MWF - 2011-09-12 16:24

      'An ANCYL member said after the ruling: "When we sing these songs, we sing about history not about racism. I don't understand why he was guilty. We sing about the history of the ANC, there is no racism".' .. Yeah and I'm the fairy god mother

      UkNowHowWeDo - 2011-09-12 16:25

      The problem is that these "Malema Supporters" want everything for free.. That is how he has manipulated them all!

      Phlegm - 2011-09-12 16:59

      @Uknow - sadly they don't want it for free, they just want it at the cost of the whites.

      Elizabeth Welsh - 2011-09-13 00:48

      You were supposed to teach them how to read before you let them vote-

      Durbsdude - 2011-09-13 06:35

      Bravado in numbers. Typical.

      Kiepies - 2011-09-13 09:53

      Yes but they can dance and toy toy and carry placards that read we demand and dont' want to be paid 'penis' (which should read pennies)...!!!

      RiRo1 - 2011-09-13 10:52

      @Sharkie-fan They still stand by his side, because he probably told them they can get all the white's jobs when the whites are dead or out of the country... You see, so he is not promising them anything while whites are alive or here. Clever plan, don't you think? Even though he even tells them they must take the jobs and land FROM the whites - without killing whites, they still have to wait for him to get that done. That is why he can go on like he does without them having jobs or anything, because they are waiting for the plan to be followed through... Only AFTER all the damage has been done and they are worse off than ever, will they see the reality of the situation, but by then JuJu would have gotten what he wants and he won't care anymore. You can't tell them anything, because they believe their own people will give them what they need. To be honest, I believe all this is the whites' fault, because the blacks got all this free stuff from them in the apartheid era, so why would they need to think differently now. Promise them you will give, and they will follow like a puppy. It's a mindset...

  • Cammybuu - 2011-09-12 12:53

    Stop singing words that remind us the hurtful past we endured in this country... STOP LOOKING BACK!!!!

      Point Blank - 2011-09-12 14:05

      Darren Scott apologise and resigned.... a far better man then Juju. Juju will still squeal, waving his podgy fist in the air, grunting at all his piglets in front if him..

      farmworker - 2011-09-12 14:20

      @Point Blank I think Dr Malema must just apologies and then resign from ANCYL and take his position at the ANC I am sure that should make you happy

      mziuk - 2011-09-12 14:25

      Is History, really History. Disclaimer: I am not a Julius Malema fan and in as much as there is "history commemoration" in singing these types of songs, I do not believe that the people who sing it now do it for that reason. So I agree with the ruling overall. BUT This school of thought that we should MOVE ON from the past, is very primitive and at its best, ignorant. At the height of it is the ugliest form of racism, perpetrated by people from the same school of thought as those who sing this song. How can one be asked, infact almost told to forget where they are coming from and essentially, what shaped who and what they are today? “The history of the apartheid should not be forgotten. History itself, whether bad or good, should not be forgotten.” In that context. When is the right time to start forgetting the legacy, the history associated with Mandela? Is there a time? If not, why because it was "good history"? History is contemporary. Your understanding of history confirms what you think of the present. It's not neutral. Historically you are able to sum up a people,a race even nations based on their history. Before you start calling people lazy, idiots, stupid and especially laughing that they failed woodwork, think about where they are coming from. Just like one commentator said on this forum, "apartheid is not dead". It is rife within the minds. In our homes, offices and being engrained in future generations fuelled by statements like " Move on from the past"

      Jacqueline - 2011-09-12 14:40

      @Farmworker: the "K" word is just a word if you say "kill the boer" is just a song.

      thozi - 2011-09-12 15:09

      When we gained democracy and declared ourselves "nonracial", I truly believed in what our esteemed fathers (Mandela, Tutu, Sisulu, etc.) were preaching. Never in my small mind did I ever think that the very party that liberated us, would be saying that tormenting part of our population with hate songs, would be "culturally acceptable". I'm sure that a 'Rainbow Nation' would not ecourage hate speech by those in power. Besides, we endured that in the past, and it was not 'nice'... unless we do not mean what we say. I support the court's decision.

      blondetopaz - 2011-09-12 15:25

      farmworker you are a TOOL

      Broodjie - 2011-09-12 15:34

      There's only one way to heal this country.

      Ashley - 2011-09-12 15:44

      @farmworker, please go play outside with your maaitjies and let the big people comment on these forums. Te veel papsak wine it seems...

      jester - 2011-09-12 15:58

      mziuk, It's not about FORGETTING the past, it's about looking ahead. You don't have to forget what happened, but you're gonna walk into a tree if you are constantly looking behind you. Keep your eyes on the finish line, not the starting point. It's really not rocket science!

      Vullis - 2011-09-12 16:05

      @farmworker - Well Said!

      Libertadores - 2011-09-12 22:04

      Udakwe yintsango wena Thozi.

      Slartibartfast - 2011-09-13 08:26

      Oh Mziuk ... wake up ... then, by your logic, we should comemorate Blood River and how God reportedly helped the White man against the Zulu Nation without changing the name of either the Public Holiday or the content of what is taught in our schools? In fact ... we should "comemorate" it every chance we get ... at weekly meetings ... outside the courts when any judgement goes in favour of the ANC or ANCYL ... etc etc etc. Your argument should then be applied both ways. The past belongs in the history books ... not dished up at each and every meeting or rally in the present. Or are you saying the "the struggle" is still very much being conducted today? Your fearless leaders sing the song whenever they get the chance ... normally at CURRENT POLITICAL EVENTS ... not as a remembrance of the past. Get real!!

      The Observer - 2011-09-13 11:54

      farmploncker. is the ancyl not part of the anc???? if you are kicked out of the anc can you still be part of the yl? me think not!!

      Gazza69 - 2011-09-14 10:44

      Farm-wanker, since when did malema's mother name him doctor? Thats the only chance that fat prick has of being called "Doctor"

  • myancmyfutur - 2011-09-12 12:54

    Afriforum should charge them all

      Point Blank - 2011-09-12 13:06

      You getting boring now.

      anfield - 2011-09-12 13:36

      yea..with fixed bayonets

      Ben - 2011-09-12 16:50

      @anfield lol

      judicatordex - 2011-09-13 07:07

      Anfield wins!!! HAHAHAHA they won't know what bayonets are

      The Observer - 2011-09-13 11:56

      judicatordex - hehehe, not part of the new education curriculum

  • truerealist - 2011-09-12 12:55

    Hopefully justice will prevail. This type of ignorance of the law is all to prevalent in society today, that is why no one cares whether there is service delivery and the like, nothing will happen.

      O-Kay - 2011-09-12 13:11

      Of course they care, they are behaving exactly as they have been taught to. Had Malema only used the power he has to influence for the good! *then I woke up and my coffee was cold*

  • Roundana - 2011-09-12 12:55

    i think they should be scared...very scared!

      Vullis - 2011-09-12 16:05

      scared of what? lol

  • Tassenberg - 2011-09-12 12:55

    An ANCYL member said after the ruling: "When we sing these songs, we sing about history not about racism. I don't understand why he was guilty. We sing about the history of the ANC, there is no racism". - Clearly my friend you don't even know that the case is not about racism, it is about hate speech. Can somebody please start singing for better education, as you my friend clearly needs a better education or attention span for that matter.

      DW - 2011-09-12 13:19

      "We will defend the heritage of the ANC" - this song was never the heritage of the ANC. It was first sung by Peter Mokaba - who was PAC

      The Observer - 2011-09-13 11:58

      Tassenberg, their minds don't reach that far.

  • Emexd - 2011-09-12 12:55

    Wow! Zuma & co. must be really proud of what these idiots are doing...disrepting the court like this? hai khona.

      Souf-Efrikan - 2011-09-12 12:59

      Like Zuma respect the courts??

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-09-12 12:57

    By singing the song, ANCLY's stupid actions has not dome motormouth Malema any favours. It has just proved the judge 100% correct. It is also proved that the ANCYL don't abide by the law.

      Point Blank - 2011-09-12 13:07

      ... and that they racist, sexist and hateful people. Wonderful future right there.

      Ronaldo - 2011-09-12 21:40

      Vela - that is why they are currently facing charges in their own ANC court trials.

  • daaivark - 2011-09-12 12:57

    One "l" in Colin, News24. Show some respect!

      Al - 2011-09-12 14:45

      I don't think this fark is anal retentive, I think he is the one that got away....

      judicatordex - 2011-09-13 07:08

      Every day he makes a cup of coffee and comments on people's spelling. How about a big nice cup of Shut The FVCK UP daaivark?

  • Luckybugger - 2011-09-12 12:58

    Well the writing is pretty much on the wall for SA, if the ANC does not clip JM's wings the future will not be to bright.

      O-Kay - 2011-09-12 13:13

      Even if they clip his wings, I fear he is going to ccause a lot more damage before he goes quietly. He is already talking about war, whether he calls it economic war or not. He's just trying to pretty it up!

      Phaedioux - 2011-09-12 13:27

      LOL! - you mean they should turn him into another 'Walking Eagle'?

      Libertadores - 2011-09-12 22:07

      The future hasn't been bright for the majority of Africans in this country since 1994.

  • Ulindi - 2011-09-12 12:58

    "An ANCYL member said after the ruling: "When we sing these songs, we sing about history not about racism. I don't understand why he was guilty. We sing about the history of the ANC, there is no racism"." its a laughing matter - just turn it around so the hatred is aimed at you, you pathetic ANCYL member/supporter...still feel the same? Ai...

  • willieman - 2011-09-12 12:59

    Hearsay and vuvuzela politics followers,blind as usual,they are shamefully ignorant

  • onthefence - 2011-09-12 12:59

    So any form of racist/hate comment in song is ok - as long as it is about your history???? Thicker than porridge this lot

      zena - 2011-09-12 13:07

      And strangely this song is not even part of history.

  • diplomat - 2011-09-12 12:59

    Instigating genocide! That is what they are doing, the uneducated group outside the court house. At least the whole world can see it! That is positive. Negative, the Rand will drop, so will investment and the same uneducated will have less to eat!

      adolfie - 2011-09-12 14:42

      Like Somalia - Natures way of culling :-)

  • Charles Kane - 2011-09-12 13:01

    Look people are going say what they want to say and think what they want to think but it speaks volumes of one's morals if one chooses to fight for this part one's heritage. The ANC has SO MUCH to be proud of, so much admirable and heroic history. To celebrate this cruel little song (history or not) is sign of a cruel and petty little soul.

  • AntiRacist - 2011-09-12 13:01

    One would think that 350 years of oppression would have taught them something, I have been labeled a racist for saying that these people have become what they hated so much, and yes my belief is if you are a racist you are lower than me and will never be equal! They stand in the way of Democracy in SA!

  • Souf-Efrikan - 2011-09-12 13:03

    I don't get it, surely JellyBean should be held for contempt of court by not even bothering to attend? Surely if hate speech is a crime, the police that apparently were deployed outside the court should arrest people who commits a crime, the police is already there, the crime is already there (by singing hate speech), so does it really take that much brain power to put the two together, round then up, and put them together in a cell where they can sing to their heart's content and really become part of their struggle. A few weeks in jail might give them an idea what the struggle is about. It is not just about running around the streets (instead of going to school) burning tyres and throwing stones... sometimes you have to visit Pappie in Pollsmoor for a while to be a veteran in the struggle...

      O-Kay - 2011-09-12 13:16

      Apparently it is a civil case and you do not have to appear for that. Only for a criminal case.

      O-Kay - 2011-09-12 13:39

      Lol@, 'struggled to fit 50 into a taxi'.

  • McFreak - 2011-09-12 13:03

    Zumasteins monster!!!!!

  • Flynn - 2011-09-12 13:04

    People who support this idiotic behaviour from the ANC or ANCYL suppose to be shot. In SA we are taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back - as a country we cannot progress. Learn from the past and progress into the future

  • kingkong - 2011-09-12 13:04

    Law has no place in a uneducated society. If the leaders of the land cant obide and enforce it whats the point. perhaps we need a dictator to lead the bafoons.

  • The_Realist - 2011-09-12 13:04

    stupid is as stupid does!!!

  • Thelma - 2011-09-12 13:05

    ILL MANNERED HOOLIGANS!!!

  • IC1 - 2011-09-12 13:05

    Oh what a surprise. AssHoles

  • Jeranimo - 2011-09-12 13:06

    Typical, your heritage consists of murder, rape and pillaging!

  • happycamper - 2011-09-12 13:06

    stories on the same web page, i.e. news 24...j Darren Scott is a man in trouble...maybe out of a job...just because he used a historical word...a word that means a person with out God. and Malema...and his followers..who wants to shoot and kill people of God... SA...SA...SAAAAAAAA jou lekker deurmekaar bliksem

      The_Realist - 2011-09-12 13:12

      chingchong, what bush code have you typed?

      O-Kay - 2011-09-12 13:18

      He probably called him the equivalent of the 'K' word.

  • Esbeth - 2011-09-12 13:08

    agh typical...go to school and look for a job so you will have something to do!!

  • letsee - 2011-09-12 13:09

    Lawless country created by Malema with full ANC support. Uneducated people, those that can't make anything for themselves, invariably wnat to destroy those that do something. That is Malema.

  • Tree Pechau - 2011-09-12 13:09

    If any German people sang "Gas the Jew" I highly doubt it would be tolerated. That was also a part of their history. Just saying.

  • Truestory - 2011-09-12 13:10

    This is just making it harder and harder for whites to find reasons to contribute to correcting the wrongs of the past. These guys are sowing devisions and driving us apart. Sad but true, this will get a lot of whites loading their guns. This is not what we want.

  • Mlu - 2011-09-12 13:11

    An ANCYL member said after the ruling: "When we sing these songs, we sing about history not about racism. I don't understand why he was guilty. We sing about the history of the ANC, there is no racism". ANCYL members and its leaders don't understand a thing about history and racism. None of the current members and leaders ever experienced racism.

      Point Blank - 2011-09-12 13:14

      Yes and they have all been taught that racism is what white people do, when a black person does it it is "historical" and should be protected.. Does this not seem obvious to... oh wait, I was about to say intelligent people... my bad.

  • Snow F Lake - 2011-09-12 13:11

    The racist ANC and their militant youth brigade have become an international embarrassment to the good people of South Africa. Pure evil!

      one-way - 2011-09-12 13:44

      No , it`s the best the anc can offer.

  • Mart - 2011-09-12 13:11

    Apparently all you need to be a Julius Malema supporter is an IQ of 6, no ambition, and an unwavering and blind desire to crash and burn.....as a rich man.

  • Rachelle - 2011-09-12 13:11

    More Banana Sammy, less Republic!!

  • AntiRacist - 2011-09-12 13:11

    The things people do to unite us!

  • Tourmaline - 2011-09-12 13:12

    How is 'shoot the boer' history of the ANC???? Honestly! It's history of this country's violent civil war, ja!

      The_Realist - 2011-09-12 13:28

      "Honestly! It's history of this country's violent civil war", which violent civil war is that? there was no civil war, violent or otherwise compared to Rhodesia!

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-12 13:42

      If there was a civil war we wouldn't be wasting tax payers money in court!

  • Showahed - 2011-09-12 13:14

    There is one assumption and that is that these Malema followers are retarded and do not understand what they are singing. To them it is just words and they do not understand the broad spectrum implications...like if we started singing " Burn a shack, kill a black"...is that acceptable? I would also sing about history then; how do they feel about that?

      O-Kay - 2011-09-12 13:21

      Rotflmao, sorry, I don't agree with the lyrics but that is funny! Bad me!

      Angie Mansa - 2011-09-12 13:31

      Very funny and very true. That definitely would not go down well, but hey whats good for the goose and all that.

      Dmitri - 2011-09-12 14:46

      Brilliant. ROTFLMFAO. That can be classified as rap...No hate speach there.

      richie41 - 2011-09-12 15:50

      Whether its aceptable or not you have now said it so you may as well stop crying over their song!

  • KarenC - 2011-09-12 13:14

    Hate speech = crime. Singing outside the court the very same song that = crime, and no one was arrested? Its a prelude of whats to come with Malema

  • struth - 2011-09-12 13:16

    To defy the judge's order illustrates the mentality that we are dealing with. It looks like law and order have totally collapsed in this country and this is a direct result of a government who cannot and will not govern properly. This is anarchy and it is going to lead to something very ugly in this country if the rabble rousers are not contained. The police should have arrested all the trouble makers outside the court.

  • Taurus 11 - 2011-09-12 13:16

    It seems that everybody has forgotten Blood River Do the idiots have to reminded . They want to bring heritage into it

  • Reaper - 2011-09-12 13:18

    but then again, i must add, I dont o racism, its a crime and crime is for black people

      O-Kay - 2011-09-12 13:22

      Um, pot, kettle, black...... make a sentence!

      Reaper - 2011-09-12 13:41

      Anything more than one word is a sentance you retard

      O-Kay - 2011-09-12 13:49

      Oh so you make a statement which is completely senseless and then resort to name calling because I point it out to you. Wow Reaper do you belong to the ANCYL?

      O-Kay - 2011-09-12 13:51

      Oh, and so you know, I'm not retarded in any way. I'm a stunning woman who is intellegent and strong. Best of all I can be these things without having to break others down to achieve it!

  • Tersea - 2011-09-12 13:18

    When will the South African majority realise that there no longer is a reason for revolution or war. The ANC has been in power since 1994, so the "white gevaar" is out of the way. Any economic or political issues that are currently making headlines, are wilfully created with the hope of sparking talk of war - it's a power struggle all over again, but this time between political egomaniacs. If it is allowed to continue unabated, genocide could become a harsh reality. History tells us so.

  • Bradley Pandy - 2011-09-12 13:21

    Always remember that we live under an African Democracy - which is not democracy - these are two very different things.

  • troy - 2011-09-12 13:21

    Typical racist Malema supporters. Malema's farewell party will be in Soweto... kwaaaaa.... uJuju uya phantsi kwimbali njenge loser(Juju is going down in history as a looser) ..kiekiekiekiekie..

  • Riaan Ressiv - 2011-09-12 13:22

    It doesn’t matter what they sing, I'm still proud to be white and have straight hair, I'm not a racist, I just like being white and be able to put a comb through my hair. I'm also glad to have thin lips and be able to enjoy finer things in life and pronounce my English correct. After each war or depression in history, the white people build everything from scratch without "demanding" or "toi-toi"ing for free stuff. I think we will be able to do so again. We might be less than them - but personally, I think we've got the brains ;-)

      Alex Staniland - 2011-09-12 13:29

      It's a classic case of 'Monkey see, Monkey do'.

      Moi1980 - 2011-09-12 13:41

      Before you pat yourself on the back, it's "pronounce my English correctly".

      SPHONZA - 2011-09-12 15:34

      Grow up you fool. I know brainless whites and I know brainless blacks but that doesn't give me the right to generalize.

      cloudiusc - 2011-09-12 16:22

      I'm proudly BLACK MAN and I read your comment very carefully.I don't have problem with you being WHITE,however some of the statements you made makes me to doubt your level of IQ.If you want to comment try to mention things that will embrace Rainbow Nation not an individual or else you will create more of Juju's out there and you are likely to be a victim,then you will stop enjoying being WHITE!!!

  • christoff.truter - 2011-09-12 13:22

    Well, they're probably going to take this to an even higher court and a get a black judge that will "see" things their way, by which point I will have lost all respect.

      christoff.truter - 2011-09-12 13:31

      Besides, I think its a bit unfair to expect us to see things their way while they're actually busy doing the things they're singing.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-09-12 13:24

    Arrest them!!!!!!!

  • MattQ4 - 2011-09-12 13:29

    Hmmm... I wonder how Malema and his crew will feel if we start a new song.. hey I've got one.. how about "We only employ boers!" Compared to "shoot the boer", it's pretty tame but it does kind of get the point across hey?

  • Kurt Roman - 2011-09-12 13:29

    Guess none of the understand english

      Moi1980 - 2011-09-12 13:42

      ?

      Dilika - 2011-09-12 16:20

      Kurt do you understand what you have written? Just asking.

  • tom.tom1307 - 2011-09-12 13:29

    Now we can take the singer and anybody who plays or sings de la ray to court for inciting violence against White english speaking South Africans, thank you Judge Collin Lamont

      Born To Fish - 2011-09-12 13:33

      De la rey dont intice people to Kill! It is a sad song about our History idiot!

      O-Kay - 2011-09-12 13:42

      @born to fish, sad song??? De La Rey??? It's about the boer war, I don't think it's sad though....and if Tom Tom is english then it's sad for him!! Lol

      Dmitri - 2011-09-12 15:11

      O-kay, the boer war is part of history.

      john_jones - 2011-09-12 15:15

      @Tom Tom. I am 'english' and I sing De la Rey , to myself and anyone who will listen , as much as I can. De la Rey was a GIANT of a man. A nobleman who worked his fingers to the bone for peace , making enemies of his friends in the Volksraad because he wanted peace. De la Rey was above all and everything a man of peace. When war became inevitable then he stayed in the field as a 'bitterender' long after his ertswhile detractors had surrendered. He was a noble warrior who treated his captured prisoners with respect and dignity , even when the same was not shown to his people. If one man , just one man comes along with what De la Rey had in a finger nail it would be happy days for everyone.

  • Justin - 2011-09-12 13:32

    i feel sorry for his supporters whom have been brainwashed into believing that he is their saviour from poverty, whenhe lives a lavished lifestyle, giving nothing back to the poor community but lies.....i hear they making another Jorge of the jungle......starring Malema.........what a retard....Bloody agent.