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DA MP Van Dyk not guilty

2012-03-20 16:02

Cape Town - A Democratic Alliance internal disciplinary hearing has found MP Manie van Dyk not guilty of bringing the party into disrepute after he claimed about R275 000 for travel expenses, Die Burger reported on Tuesday.

Three of the five disciplinary committee members found in his favour, while two recommended he be found guilty.

Van Dyk was charged with bringing the DA into disrepute by, among others, claiming too much money because he did not use the cheapest transport available and irregularly registering his daughter as a dependent.

Committee chairperson, retired Supreme Court of Appeal judge DG Scott, supported by attorneys Werner Horn and BJ Liebenberg, found there was not enough evidence to find Van Dyk guilty, the newspaper reported.

They found he had travelled by car between Cape Town and Pretoria mainly because he needed a car in both cities and his family did not have enough vehicles.

Thus, he was not guilty of excessive monetary claims in terms of the rules of Parliament.

His daughter had indeed worked as a dance teacher, but it was not proven that she earned more than R980 a month.

Therefore, no finding could be made that she had been irregularly registered as a dependent and had benefited from travel allowances.

The other two committee members, East London city councillor Kevin Mileham and DA MP Stevens Mokgalapa, did not agree.

Mileham wanted to know why, with a salary of R714 000 and travel claim payouts of R275 000, Van Dyk could not buy another car.

Mokgalapa believed Van Dyk should have been found guilty as, among other things, his behaviour was not worthy of a DA MP, Die Burger reported.

The DA declined further comment on the matter on Tuesday.

Comments
  • Sika - 2012-03-20 16:11

    heh heh heh ok lets hear DA supporters...! I thought it was only the cANCer members who are corrupt

      Jono - 2012-03-20 16:29

      I knew a comment like this will be on here. What he is doing is/might be wrong and need to be delt with. Here is the diffirence though... DA deals and gets rid of people with corruption (this is minor case, but yet they are dealing with it), And the big difference is... Its less then 300k, cANCer corruption ammount is sometimes un determined it is that much. One corrupt person in the party compared to how many in your party??? you cant give me an answer can you? to many sika

      Vince - 2012-03-20 16:36

      Sika, I am so glad you called them cANCer members! At least you agree they are an incurable disease!!!!! And whilst you are going to explain to me why you think they are a cancer to this world please tell me how many ANC MP's would actually have used their cars to travel.....I am sure you know they would have flown first class!!!

      Jarryd - 2012-03-20 16:40

      I'm so confused: "DA MP Van Dyk not guilty" Comments: "I thought it was only the cANCer members who are corrupt" "He should tender his resignation. " "do the honorable thing and resign." "Lol! So DA is also not clean when it comes to corruption?" Faith in humanity restored: "Why must he resign? When you claim travel expenses you have to produce slips/receipts! That all adds up.. Plus he wasn't found guilty & if his job requires he be in CT & PTA it is going to be expensive! If the travel allowance or cars are available to him why should he buy his own car to put mileage on? They have no proof?! He's not wasting our money by buying a Million Rand Car!! "

      Sean - 2012-03-20 17:23

      @Sika - Once in a blue moon a DA MP was in trouble , but not guilty , then you pound on it , lol !! Maybe you should rather look at your imbecile comrades that f@ck this whole country up !! Evolution is a b@tch , some people never evolve !!

      bluzulu - 2012-03-20 18:00

      irregularly registering his daughter as a dependent. Committee chairperson, retired Supreme Court of Appeal judge DG Scott, supported by attorneys Werner Horn and BJ Liebenberg, found there was not enough evidence to find Van Dyk guilty See the peers that got to the not guilty verdict...Corrupt as , double standards agenda.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-20 18:12

      Good governance acquits to this politician irregularly registering his kid as a dependent ( this is FRAUD) . This would have been documented facts. So back to the decision/verdict,,,,This would mean the DA accepts this criminal act as they found him NOT guilty of bringing the Party into disrepute...........GO figure?

      The Real Unskinny - 2012-03-20 18:14

      Anyone still remember travelgate? No? Under the rug...

  • Martin - 2012-03-20 16:11

    He should tender his resignation.

      Wim - 2012-03-20 16:25

      Martin, that would require character and values: a rarity in the DA.

      JasonEye - 2012-03-20 16:43

      Martin Shhhhhh dont just say "tender" like that, people will talk!

  • Youefoh - 2012-03-20 16:13

    heh...

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-20 16:13

    Politicians...once you are in only one thing comes to your brain...MONEY.

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-03-20 16:35

      yup!

      David - 2012-03-20 16:38

      Exactly!! If you have to go to Cape Town and you need a vehicle there, you use your OFFICIAL VEHICLE!! You dont leave your official vehicle at home for your family to use and then use your private vehicle and then still claim for it!!! Come-on, for pete-sake!!!

      phathuchicos - 2012-03-20 16:44

      brewster?????????????????????????????????????????????????

      David - 2012-03-20 16:59

      Azanian, I agreed wholeheartedly with your statement that once you are a politician only one thing comes to mid...Money!! If you have followed the story from the beginning, you'd have known that this guy (from somewhere in the east of Pretoria) was allocated an official vehicle to do his job with. Now, whenever he needed to go to Cape Town, he used his private car - and claimed for the use of it - while he left his official car at home for his family to use. Wouldn't it stand to reason that if he needed to go to Cape Town, he should use his official vehicle and left his private vehicle for his family to use? But then of course, he would have nothing to claim!! That was just one part of it.

  • Sharon - 2012-03-20 16:19

    At least with the DA it is the exception, not the rule.

      Heiku - 2012-03-20 16:31

      You need to wake up. With POLITICIANS this is the rule not the exception. They come in different flavours to confuse us while they steal our money.

      Grant - 2012-03-20 19:50

      Just wondering who the exception to the rule within the ANC is? :P

  • evdwesthuizen1 - 2012-03-20 16:21

    learning how from the ANC? He should do the honorable thing and resign. To show the corrupt ANC how it should be done.

      David - 2012-03-20 16:26

      Jip, I agree. I tend to support the minority vote in this case

      Heiku - 2012-03-20 17:06

      Yes I agree seeing as 2 out of five thought he brought the party into "disrepute" as a result.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-20 18:06

      He will behave in a Politically correct manner for a Politician and stay to collect his pinga's ( that's cash )

  • colin.dovey - 2012-03-20 16:27

    He MUST resign - to have ANY credibility on the road ahead, there cannot, there must not be even a whiff of impropriety. The DA must lead by example. It is just not good enough in view of the 3:2 vote.

  • Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-03-20 16:31

    Why must he resign? When you claim travel expenses you have to produce slips/receipts! That all adds up.. Plus he wasn't found guilty & if his job requires he be in CT & PTA it is going to be expensive! If the travel allowance or cars are available to him why should he buy his own car to put mileage on? They have no proof?! He's not wasting our money by buying a Million Rand Car!!

      Heiku - 2012-03-20 16:39

      Biased much?

      JasonEye - 2012-03-20 16:47

      @Emily-Jane, the problem is there was enough evidence to start an internal hearing, but not enough for a conviction. They are not saying he didn't do it, they are saying there is no evidence! The proper thing for him to do is resign gracefully! As a politician you cant have something like this hanging over your head, the media and the people will constantly bring it up, and ask questions about your actions.

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-03-20 17:06

      Not biased at all but innocent till proven guilty right? Unfortunately if there's not enough evidence they can't prove or do much BUT if he is guilty and the guy is decent, he WILL resign because he has a conscience. Unlike some people I know..

      hilton.baartman - 2012-03-20 17:33

      Emily, you say innocent until proven guilty but tell me, if this was an ANC MP would you say the same thing? Honest answer please.

      frank.hartry - 2012-03-21 10:20

      This politician thief over and above his fabulous receives an annual tax free constituency allowance over and above his fabulous salary and tax free perks as well as 80 free flights per year. He is not a cabinet minister but an ordinary MP. The Hawkes should investigate this criminal.

  • Zezethu Zeze Mkondweni - 2012-03-20 16:31

    Lol! So DA is also not clean when it comes to corruption? Hahahah! ANC, COPE, DA etc! Zonke Bonke! Kyafana!

  • Doc - 2012-03-20 16:32

    The disciplinary hearing was held and the findings even the negative ones were made public. So total transparency was at least the order of the day. How many ANC cadres have been in the spotlight and they are not even called to question. lets not even talk travelgate fraud where not one ANC member was taken to task. Well done DA for at least being proactive and transparent.

      Heiku - 2012-03-20 16:39

      The ANC did not tell him to do what he did.

      phathuchicos - 2012-03-20 16:46

      :-)blame ANC...how many braincells do you have...crime is crime no matter the how big the magnitude...

      Lenisto - 2012-03-20 17:19

      For everything in this World there is a starting point... this could be the start of corruption if i may call it within DA. #just saying#

  • Sika - 2012-03-20 16:34

    LMAO look at the DA supporters......I don't believe some of your comments so if it's done by one of your own corruption is ok? some of the comment are it's not a constant thing done by a white person, it's an exception, not the rule....bwahahahahah you guys are Hypocrites...I thought I should vote for the DA but after this it shows that corruption is ok if it's done for by the DA so I am not going to vote...!

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-03-20 16:38

      Lame. Who's condoning it?? Was he found guilty? Is there proof? He probably will be fired just to prove a point even though he wasn't found guilty. At least it's out in the open and not covered up & lied about

      Heiku - 2012-03-20 16:40

      It's sickening. This is how these politician get away with their stealing. Their supporters actually support their thievery!

      Zezethu Zeze Mkondweni - 2012-03-20 16:44

      Lol! Bayaphambana! Corruption is corruption!

      JasonEye - 2012-03-20 16:48

      Sika there are bad apples in every basket. but this process has been transparent which is all we ask from our leaders. can your ANC say the same?

      Lenisto - 2012-03-20 17:24

      @JasonEye... Bro it all started like this also in the ANC while ago, today it's worse. I either can't stand the ANC corruption but that's how it is. Becareful dawg of your saying because i bet rotten apple in the basket will affect the rest

      The Real Unskinny - 2012-03-20 18:16

      @Sika: Show one post condoning his actions. Tool.

  • Hermann - 2012-03-20 16:42

    Makes me recall an old expression - she is not pregnant, she is only half pregnant.

  • Zezethu Zeze Mkondweni - 2012-03-20 16:48

    Why must it be justified now??? Just because its DA so u guys are raising up so called 'exceptions'? No! Corruption is corruption whether u ANC or DA.

  • Blessed Ndlovu Maratuza - 2012-03-20 16:53

    Lmfao! Even the DA supporters knw he's guilty. But the hypocrites had to let us believe he's innocent. They couldnt afford to be a typical African Political Party. *Corrupt*. But we know them better.

  • Anton - 2012-03-20 16:54

    As a DA supporter I'm concerned by these large claims, together with such a massive salary! You're a PUBLIC SERVANT for crying out loud. I hope this is investigated thoroughly. And to the trolls, you'll find corruption claims against ANC members daily, even more than once daily, whereas these against other party members, are very seldom, and must be treated with just as much scrutiny as others.

  • Chris - 2012-03-20 17:10

    Sounds like Manie is an ideal candidate for floor crossing - he'd be a perfect fit in the ANC

  • Gershon Hutchinson - 2012-03-20 17:11

    If he does not resign, i'm changing my vote!

      Wim - 2012-03-20 21:04

      Yeah, go for the ANC. At least they pretend not to approve of thievery.

  • Bongeka - 2012-03-20 17:13

    Good people,just listen.Let's not go around in circles just to cover up for our souls/buddies or fellow party members.If the article came out and said Member of Parliament not found guilty of corruption after claiming more than R275 000 in travel expenses,the comments would've been singing a different tune. Just because certain party was mentioned then you're trying to cover up for that party.C'mon guys,corruption is corruption.It has no coulor,gender and certainly doesn't descriminate.In the eyes of the puplic the man committed corruption but due to insufficient evidence he made it through.That is fine.I wish I could see same comments should the oposition party's member be found not guilty on the very same charge. IS THAT POSSIBLE?No I don't think so.(SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN EACH OTHER).

  • Zander - 2012-03-20 17:16

    " could not buy another car." You've got to be kidding me, are you seriously suggesting this MP drives a R100 000 car, HOW DARE THEY.... Over MP's doing what they want at the cost of the tax payer, send this corrupt official on his way home, also deduct it from their overpaid salaries, ANC or DA, need to get rid of this overspending

  • hilton.baartman - 2012-03-20 17:22

    Why has this man not been relieved of his duties? If this was an ANC MP and the facts were the same, guess what you lot who are defending this guy would have said? Only reason why you don't hear about DA corruption that often is because they don't control 80% of the country. If they did, well I'm willing to wager they'd be in the news a lot more for corrupt activities. See Midvaal. See Eden Munic. See Communications Tender in WC. The list will continue to grow, you can bet your last Madiba on that. ANC, DA, same poop, different fart.

  • David - 2012-03-20 17:22

    The DA is corrupt.I wont vote for you ever again

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-20 17:58

      Nonsense David. One guy is corrupt, but was found not guilty due to a lack of evidence. I agree that he should do the honourable thing and resign, or pay the money back.

      The Real Unskinny - 2012-03-20 18:18

      Please David. "Again?" Liar. Your post on the ANC changes proves you are a white hating ANC puppet: "I hope these changes are going to be implemented by the ANC as soon as possible. The whites are still privileged:best jobs,best salary,best life. The ANC during negotiations was too soft and its time this great movement put its foot down on the increasing gap between black and whites. Change everything to make lives of blacks as good as whites." And by the way - changing the constitution won't make any difference to the one disparity keeping whites in the paid seats: Education.

      pws69 - 2012-03-20 20:50

      Even a better comment to show just how dishonest he is:- "David Serote just posted this comment on news24.com: We ANC supporters are not dumb, but people who love their country and believe in the ANC and see the hard work that this party has done."

  • Frans - 2012-03-20 17:31

    Unless some of these wise guys so quick to critisize can proof the opposite i think the outcome of the diciplinary commission must be accepted as just, even more so with an ex-judge heading the commission.I mean if you look back at all the commissions headed by a certain category of judges over the past few years there was no reason to question the outcome.

  • Frans - 2012-03-20 17:41

    @Martin and Wim Martin see my comment below, why if he was found not guilty must he tender his resignation? Wim your remark is unqualified, be more spesific.

  • rory.short1 - 2012-03-20 17:42

    Oh dear! I am afraid from this report it does not look squeaky clean to me. I think in all honesty Van Wyk should resign as a DA MP

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-20 17:57

    Usual double standard agendas,

  • Truthis - 2012-03-20 18:15

    I will be emailing the DA directly wrt to this. This guy may not have broken any laws but he is acting unethically.

      pws69 - 2012-03-20 20:46

      I'll be doing the same, cc'ing my councillor. This is bullshyt.

  • ISO - 2012-03-20 18:24

    Many people in SA work hard for their money little earned money. Send this thieve to jail!!

  • Lotus - 2012-03-20 20:20

    When was news24 overtaken by overzealous political analysts?well, you'd do yourselves a favour of learning a lesson some of us learnt a long time ago,they are all the same, they will use silly reasons to favour their own,be it racial,class, religion, country!its all the same?so one needs to learn to rely on your own to feed your family, if u can't, you have noone to blame but yourself

  • pws69 - 2012-03-20 20:33

    The retired Judge and the two attorneys find him not guilty, but the two DA elected officials find him guilty. No wonder we only have law, and not justice in this country. The legal eagles are all actually dodos.

  • Zinhle Nhlapho - 2012-03-20 21:14

    white people have long been corrupt whats new???

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-20 22:07

    Politicians are soles. Where is that Parliamentary Handbook ! I will rewrite it on my own. For free ! The sooner we depoliticize the management of our country and get rid of all political parties, the better.

  • frank.hartry - 2012-03-21 10:12

    This disciplinary hearing was not open and transparent by the DA. This DA member pocketed R275000 of taxpayers money to visit his constiuency when he and his family already receive 80 free flights a year and a tax free allowance of R200.000 a year over and above his fabulous salary and other massive tax free perks in order to visit his constituents. This is one gigantic cover up by the DA. Strangely enough this travel expenses scam by Vandyk and others was exposed by Patricia De Lille during her last speech to parliment in September 2010. She has never retracted her revelation. This is just another thieving politician as far as i am concerned. The Hawkes should be called in to investigate. The fact that two of the panel of five found him guilty is surely significant.

  • Shaheed - 2012-03-21 11:54

    So he is 40% guilty....it's like saying someone is 40% pregnant. This is the DA's own Travelgate scandal. They are as corrupt as the tops of the ANC that they pretend to differ with. In fact they are worse because they claim to be squeaky clean...

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