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DA: Suspend officers accused of torture

2012-08-26 22:11

Johannesburg - The DA has called for the suspension of police officers who are accused of torturing Marikana protesters who are in custody.

Police opened fire while trying to disperse striking workers gathered on a hill near Lonmin's Marikana mine on 16 August, killing 34 of them and wounding 78.

Another 260 were arrested on a charge of public violence, and remain in custody.

"[National Police Commissioner General Riah] Phiyega must institute precautionary suspension for all members who have been linked to this police brutality pending the outcome of the investigation," said DA MP Dianne Kohler Barnard on Sunday.

The City Press reported on Sunday that 194 cases had been opened against the police, including assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm and attempted murder.

The Independent Police Investigative Directorate (IPID) had launched investigations in five police stations, the paper said.

The DA welcomed the IPID investigation, but accused Phiyega of being silent on the matter.

"This shows a clear lack of discipline and leadership from the top. National Police Commissioner General Phiyega needs to act quickly to restore order to our police service and suspend those officers involved," Kohler Barnard said.

In the week leading up to the shooting, another 10 people - including two police officers and two security guards - were killed in protests.

Comments
  • ludick.media - 2012-08-26 22:21

    Urg... so sick of politicians claiming to be so damn nice and on the peoples side... How many of them were there before or during the shootings ? Why arent they asking for swift action against the miners who killed 6 community members and 4 lawmen themselves ? How many of them would stand while a crowd of 3000 angry miners armed to the teeth storm them after using the "you cant see me" muti ?

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-08-27 00:13

      When a similar situation arises (it will) let the politicians and the lawyers go out there and show the rest of us how. That's all we ask. And they must go there on their own steam, nicely dressed as us per custom and after a lekker night's rest, stomachs nicely filled with breakfeast and perhaps some gin or something similarly pleasant. Oh how I wish I could use a lekker swear word now! Can't.

      hermann.hanekom - 2012-08-27 06:14

      She is out again trying to catch votes, meanwhile she is, by pre-empting everything with her blabber mouth, alienating.

      max.reynecke - 2012-08-27 07:18

      "Death of the noble savage"...go and Google it, the detainees were not these holy beings that were detained because of their innocence, they acted like savage criminals. The biggest mistake anyone could make is to think that every one ells around you think exactly like you and has the same norms and standards then you.

      romauldo.chadinha - 2012-08-27 08:07

      Ff

      romauldo.chadinha - 2012-08-27 08:07

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-08-26 22:29

    The DA is rubbish. The tried the cheap way of blaming the police or trying to blame them or keeping their (the DA's) escape routes open. SIES! If they wish to make a positive contribution they should insist that all contact between state and citizens (read also between police/prison authotities and the the people) be video-taped with SOUND for future reference. No problem with implementing such an elementary system with the currently available and improving technology.

      malcolm.macleod.562 - 2012-08-27 01:52

      I'm pretty disappointed with the DA on this one, they are looking to score really cheap political points instead of dealing with the real issues (culture of entitlement - for which the ANC are largely to blame). OFC they are still better than the ANC - but very disappointing...

      hermann.hanekom - 2012-08-27 06:17

      Hey Crraker you are forgetting the experts all work from armchair comfort thus your opinion and my opinion count for naught!

  • J-9 - 2012-08-26 22:48

    The Police were wrong, they should have NEVER massacred the miners. We need to ensure that this act of brutality never happens again. Don't blame the DA for saying this.

      ludick.media - 2012-08-26 23:10

      Okay J-9, and if the miners slaughtered 400 cops, would you still have said the same ? Look at the video evidence, the miners went for the cops, Guns, Knives, Machetties ...everything...would you stand still after 10 people have already been slaughtered and burnt alive, or would you defend yourselve ? Stop calling self defence - brutality... It would have been worst if the cops DIDNT take action

      iceman196 - 2012-08-27 06:03

      OK, you go and stand there while you are stormed and attacked, stuff wrong, blow the whole savage lot away

      ivan.devries.7 - 2012-08-27 06:21

      my girl i pray for u u dont know wat u talking about the SAP did there job

      J-9 - 2012-08-27 09:16

      Negotiation with the Unions, who had all of the power in the world, to either incite the violence or calm it down should have taken place. Sorry, this was completely unnecessary. I am not a cop and have not received training in the line of duty, but this, should not have happened - period!

      good2breal - 2012-08-27 10:59

      Ask yourself what would you do if you were a policeman in that situation! I was in the SANDF in similar situations in the 80's and I probably would have pulled the trigger & opened fire if I was facing a huge angry crowd of protesters and was being shot at.

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-08-27 12:42

      Well this is conveniently academic because it did happen, and the police had to protect themselves. Or, must we now accept that the police are not allowed to protect themselves? At the end of the day, the politicians will twist and turn this every which way, but when the chips are down: Are the police allowed to protect themselves, or must they be martyrs for the mine and the labour unions? It's not a difficult question.....

  • mphomirtam.motsepe - 2012-08-26 23:04

    SA police are criminals and Phinyega supports them. Thank you Dianne Barnard .You are a sensible woman and perhaps you can call Phinyega to order. She is very immature for this position I wonder which criteria was used fur her promotion. She does not deserve to be a senior ,she speaks nonsense and bull

      ludick.media - 2012-08-26 23:12

      Okay, and the miners who killed, slaughtered and burnt the 10 people alive before the cop shootings took place ? Is that not criminal ? Or is that stuggle ? Im confused....Stop blaming the cops, and start to blame the miners who killed first, went for the cops , and even PAID R1000 for "muti" that would stop the cops bullets ...

      ludick.media - 2012-08-26 23:15

      In the week leading up to the shooting, another 10 people - including two police officers and two security guards - were killed in protests.... Just incase you misread that last part....

  • sally.lewitt - 2012-08-26 23:08

    Uhumm.. Since when has South Africa reinstated the Death Penalty..?

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-08-27 00:07

      @ sally.lewitt It's not cler what you really say. If you are implying (damnit, day clearly what you have in mind or just keep quite) that the action of the police amounts to the death penalty then also bear in mind that the actions of the strikers would have amounted to the same if the police had not defended themselves. The video evidence is clear.

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-08-27 12:44

      Do you understand the legal principle of being entitled to protect yourself?

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-08-26 23:09

    Suspend? How about firing them?S

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-08-26 23:39

    DA, ANC shut up, bastards.

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-08-27 02:20

    The DA seems no better than Malema when it comes to cheap political scoring.Who's votes are you looking for this time auntie? Sort out your own problems in the WC (that is western Cape) first before you scratch where it does not itch. Footnote ;I am not anti-DA, just dissapointed that they no differant from the other sensation seekers.

  • jakes.cakedregs - 2012-08-27 03:21

    Please News24, now is the time to responsibly report facts and to clarify the truth. Kindly desist from causing sensation by publishing uncorroborated half truths.

      heiku.staude - 2012-08-27 06:49

      So when a half truth becomes corroborated it becomes truth? I get a feeling this is how religion started :)

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-08-27 04:50

    Ag shame..poor innocent miners who hacked two police officers to death and burned to security officers to death !! Barbarians !!

  • jacqui.c.baumgardt - 2012-08-27 05:53

    I was thinking about voting DA next time, but now I don't know. Please, Diane, reserve your judgment - what happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

  • strauss.steven - 2012-08-27 05:57

    da must sort out their own flaws please

      strauss.steven - 2012-08-27 05:58

      these people are murderers. let the police use their methods. two of their own were hacked to death

  • iceman196 - 2012-08-27 06:01

    aha the truth comes out, all you stinking politicions are the same, I have given this a tiny bit of thought and its pretty obvious, even if by some miracle the DA had to come into power, do you honestly believe they will reinstate the death penalty for crimes of murder rape and kidnapping. look at them , phishing for votes aw well, defending cop killers, you can all rot in hell, cheers all of you stinking political parties until someone really stands up and says ENOUGH

      juannepierre - 2012-08-27 07:03

      You need to read more. Do you even understand why the death penalty is immoral?

  • maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-08-27 06:15

    Hopefully with no pay and benefits

  • ivan.devries.7 - 2012-08-27 06:23

    The SAP had Bolls to do that,It is by time the SAP did there job,Very good SAP

  • ivan.devries.7 - 2012-08-27 06:24

    DA back the SAP for doing there job or loose the vote

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-08-27 12:46

      Agreed

  • dnxumalo2 - 2012-08-27 06:58

    My love goes to Lindi and Zille, big up girls for saving us from the mercenaries.Dont mind stupids you will soon have the majority behind you.Talkin about real women.

  • rowan.maulson - 2012-08-27 07:05

    Dianne, you honestly need to shut the hell up already... Until you are on the front lines of an incident like this, you cannot call for the police officers to be suspended for "torture" or "brutality".. You are dishonouring the many many many police officers who put their life on the line for your safety everyday, and its sickening.

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-08-27 07:31

    Prove that the miner are being tortured, don't just take their word for it. By the way, if you had seen the photographs of the two murdered security guards you might wish that they are tortured. What they did was inhuman to say the least!

      david.lebethe - 2012-08-27 07:47

      Sounds like a typical white South African, who never believe police would attack and torture people in custody. The news are since confirmed by a commander of police station where most of mineworkers are held. According to the report, is that police from another division and police-station are instructed to conduct body searche on a pretext to remove cell phones from the detainees. That is on its own confrontational and is also indicative of bad intention on the part of the police.

      ludlowdj - 2012-08-27 11:08

      So you are one of the guys who expects to be treated humanly but when the foot is on the other foot you scream for blood hey?

  • david.lebethe - 2012-08-27 07:53

    Following statement of commissioner of police last week, I don't think is a good person to look up to for assistance. She has made it clear during the burial of one of the policemen, that she is not sorry of what had happen to mineworkers as that alone excludes her from a point of call. In fact, if anything really, DA should be calling for her head as well.

  • walter.o.latham - 2012-08-27 08:00

    Amongst all the criticism and outpourings for and against, one thing is most pertinent and glaringly obvious. These police officers and so-called reactionary unit were clearly not properly trained and were not properly equipped to deal with a frenzied and out of controlled mob. I belonged to probably the finest police force in the world, the famous BSAP of then, Rhodesia. Our "riot squads" would have dealt with this incident probably without firing a shot! Tear gas, masks, helmets batons and shields were all we had with perhaps one or two Greener pump action shot-guns as a back-up loaded with bird shot. OH, and very well trained men standing together in a line commanded by one person. The mob would have dispersed within half an hour coughing and choking and feeling very sorry for themselves....... no lives or very few lives lost!

      Phumlani Madlala - 2012-08-27 09:45

      talk is cheap may be you were also using muthi,the normal peaceful strike with no firearms that you are referring to,if you mean the one with firearms i ll tell you straight that you must be mad to disperse people who are shooting @you with shields and tonfas,you wanted to tell us that you belonged to the hitsquads,ok we ve got that,and?

  • dnxumalo2 - 2012-08-27 08:38

    Do not blame me when findings are made that the shooters were volunteers in the police force.This is an old trick that seems to be remembered when ever needed.

  • dnxumalo2 - 2012-08-27 08:43

    Do not blame me when findings are made that the shooters were volunteers in the police force.This is an old trick that seems to be remembered when ever needed.no more police office without a matric certificate please.Now it is clear other countries were not lying about\South African mercenaries\ that kill people in their countries.what have we become!

  • dnxumalo2 - 2012-08-27 08:44

    Do not blame me when findings are made that the shooters were volunteers in the police force.This is an old trick that seems to be remembered when ever needed.no more police office without a matric certificate please.Now it is clear other countries were not lying about\South African mercenaries\ that kill people in their countries.what have we become!

  • Sean O'Brien Snr - 2012-08-27 09:06

    Cannot believe the DA!! They are just as much guilty of using this as political platform. exactly like the ANC, Cosatu and Julius Malema!!

  • ludlowdj - 2012-08-27 11:07

    Why? torture in police custody and in prisons in South Africa is a normal activity as per the letter of demand issued by the United Nations to the ANC government, even though of course the ANC will never admit receiving it even though South Africa is recorded on the UN website as one of the countries guilty of mass human violations in respect of torture. But I suppose there have been enough comments to justify the perception that South Africans of all races, in general only respect the law and common decency if it suits their own purpose, otherwise its damn the law and kill everyone. It not just the black community who is several hundred years behind the rest of the world when it comes to mentality.

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