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DA faction reportedly targeting Helen Zille

2012-03-16 08:04

Cape Town - DA iron lady Helen Zille is believed to be bracing herself against a group in the party who want her removed as leader.

The group has been quietly lobbying some DA members to try and unseat her as party leader in November, or at least to remove her confidantes from positions of power.

The initial battlefields will be a series of provincial DA congresses, with the final battle in November at the party’s national congress in Soweto, where a new national leadership team has to be elected.

The plan is to nominate candidates in opposition to national chairperson Wilmot James and federal executive chair James Selfe, two of Zille’s closest confidantes.

Face of the party

If the malcontents see that Zille is vulnerable, they will also turn their sights on her. A decision will be taken later, Beeld was told.

Some malcontents acknowledge that Zille is the face of the party and perhaps impossible to defeat, but believe she could be white-anted if her confidantes are voted out.

Her strong leadership style and frankness are believed to have upset some DA members.

In other provinces it is said that the Western Cape has too much power, even though nine of the 30 federal executive members are from Gauteng, compared with six from the Western Cape, five from KwaZulu-Natal and three from North-West.

A third criticism of Zille and the national core leadership is that many of the leaders do not currently occupy key posts and that many of their supporters emphasise racial, linguistic, religious and gender preferences.

This third criticism is not shared by all the malcontents, but could be used against the liberal Selfe and James in particular.

Fourthly, some MPs who supported Athol Trollip’s candidacy as parliamentary leader last year are believed to be organising against the present leaders.

ANC-type infighting

On inquiry, Zille said it is internal election season in the DA, and nominations for key positions are to be expected.

"I don’t know which people may be nominated for which posts, but we do not believe in crowning opportunities, just in internal democracy.

“Choice is always welcome. A good spirit too - the DA’s growth must not be dampened by ANC-type infighting.”

Three of the names being mentioned for the three top posts are Trollip, former chief whip Ian Davidson and Midrand DA MP Dion George.

On inquiry, George said there are discussions about a succession battle, but these haven’t been very comprehensive. Provincial congresses will be strong indicators.

“One would have to assess the climate in order to see whether personalities should change. We’re a democratic party.”

Trollip said he is openly dissatisfied about Zille’s role in the parliamentary leadership battle, but believes she must lead the DA in the 2014 elections. He says while elections in the other top positions are welcome, he himself is not available.

Davidson said he is aware of muttering about leadership, but has distanced himself from it and is not available for any posts.

 

Comments
  • MarkSchrade1980 - 2012-03-16 08:12

    Good for DA politics and will keep Zille on her toes, can't wait to see how this turns out

      Penny - 2012-03-16 08:22

      Helen Zille is not the DA. The party is bigger and more important for South Africa than any one person. Let's hope it's a strong, educated, competent and dynamic leader who continues to grow the official opposition party from strength to strength !!!

      Kobus - 2012-03-16 09:33

      Hope they get rid of her. For too long she just used Afrikaners and got too big for her shoes :(

      MadMusicFan - 2012-03-16 09:35

      Hellen Zille is the best leader the DA or any party has had excluding Madiba. There are a lot of career politician fossilised relics in the DA that must give way . Gauteng is not a mess just because of the ANC - the DA also does not do its part. It is not hard to guess who this is coming from

      Marni - 2012-03-16 10:09

      @Kobus, moenie jou bekommer oor die DA nie. Bekommer jou eerder oor jou Pieter Mulder en hoe hy die Afrikaners gebruik het om vir homself 'n kabinetspos te kry.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-16 10:24

      Kobus, you can only use Afrikaners if they allow you. Too big for her shoes, oh! of course she is a woman, should be in the kitchen really.

      Ed - 2012-03-16 10:25

      she is a harpy who cannot be trusted...

      Glyn - 2012-03-16 10:46

      @ Kobus - How long did then Afrikaner Nats use the English speakers? Remember that apartheid was an Afrikaans party policy.

      Blip - 2012-03-17 22:58

      Nope. Apartheid was an Afrikaner policy. The cornerstone of everything they did, in fact. It was taught in Afrikaner schools, preached from Afrikaner pulpits, promoted by the Afrikaner Broederbond...

  • Marion - 2012-03-16 08:13

    Helen Zille's mandate was to grow the party. She has done this and is perfectly capable of growing it even further. These people who possibly want to topple her should think very carefully before they do so. They may lose a lot of support which is based on admiration for the 'iron lady'. They will then be known as the people who brought the DA to its knees again.

      John - 2012-03-16 08:18

      Can't agree more, Marion.

      Jannie - 2012-03-16 08:21

      agree and then the anc will get thier two thirds and they can then bring the country to its knees

      Mark - 2012-03-16 08:30

      How has Zille grown the DA - its no more in(significant) than before she took over as leader. Dissatisfied DA voters won't now vote for the ANC like ANC voters won't ever vote for the DA. I have voted for the DA since 94 , but because of the Mazibuko issue I will withhold my vote - how is that growing the DA.

      pws69 - 2012-03-16 08:41

      @mark, 1,6% odd in 1994, to over 24% in 2011. Yup, that is a failure of growth. ***just shakes his head****

      Gaby - 2012-03-16 08:48

      @Mark, if you can't be bothered to vote, don't waste my time reading your comments about politics. You are nothing but a moaner.

      Nigel - 2012-03-16 09:01

      @ mark,so you are quite happy to risk handing over a 70% majority to the ANC, just because of 1 so called issue that you don't like, wake up dude!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Stack - 2012-03-16 09:01

      @Mark what is your issue with Mazibuko?

      stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-03-16 09:04

      I agree. Although it is dangerous for the DA to be too reliant on one person, I have not seen many other strong and dynamic persons in the DA. Zille has a very important role to play in the short to medium term, and her collegues would be foolish to act irresponsibly.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-03-16 09:09

      Oh Mark you make me laugh...the Mazibuko issue indeed!!!

      christian.helberg - 2012-03-16 09:11

      @Mark, yeah Mark, what Mazibuko issue?? Please clarify. For those of us that perform our duty as citizens and vote, for those of us who are committed to REAL change, and for those of us who get involved, and support our party, there is NO Mazibuko issue! Please clarify what "issue" you have. Actually, if you dont vote, on second thoughts, I am not even interested in your opinion.

      Blip - 2012-03-16 09:14

      Mark, the party's vote has risen from 14% to 24%. Not in "opinion polls" but in actual elections. Does that answer your question?

      Karen - 2012-03-16 09:27

      @Mark...I vote for the party that makes my hard earned tax money mean something. Perhaps you should visit CT some time and see the difference between an ANC run municipality and that of the DA. I refuse to be a 'draadsitter' and will vote for the best political party there is. That, right now, is the DA and Helen is an inspiration to many of us.

      Trevor - 2012-03-16 09:27

      Mazibuko, will be a good leader one day, Mark please, don't talk nonsense

      Danielle - 2012-03-16 09:29

      I so agree Marion. A few years ago she was also voted the no 1 Mayor in the world. Surely the fact that the Outside world hold her in such high asteem as a politician should tell alot of people something.

      theO rAcLe - 2012-03-16 09:53

      Mark you TWAT...... rather keep quiet.

      Marion - 2012-03-16 09:53

      @Mark - where is Mark? Anybody seen Mark? Still waiting to hear his comment on 'the Mazibuko issue'. Mark??

      Mark - 2012-03-16 10:24

      @ all the idiots who wanted to know what the Mazibuko issue is. Lindiwe Mazibuko is an AA appoitment - FACT. If you don't accept that then their is no hope. In its present form the DA is just the ANC in sheep's clothing.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-16 10:27

      Mark, you allow people then to dictate to you who you should vote for?. I thought the future of the country was the most important criteria when voting.

      Mark - 2012-03-16 10:31

      @ all you clowns who think that Zille has grown the DA here are the figures: 94 election NP - 20.4& DP - 1.7% 2009 General Election DA - 16.7% The DA is an amalgamation of the DP and the NP and other parties so its share of the National vote has actually declined since 1994. Where do you morons get 24% from - forget about the Municipal elections that is not representative.

      Jannie - 2012-03-16 10:31

      @mark - you are the idiot... and a stupid troll

      Mark - 2012-03-16 10:40

      @Janine - Good comeback - why not try and argue based on the facts that I presented.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 10:43

      @Mark, the DA is not an amalgamation of the NP and DP.... *sigh* As for the rest of your rant, absolute nonsense, have you ever listen to Mazibuko when she addresses cabinet or does lectures? The woman is bright, very bright and is actually ideal for the position she is in now.. You just bitter me thinks.

      Glyn - 2012-03-16 10:50

      @ Mark - Stupid boy! Mark! Mark! is what a dog with a hair-lip says!

      Mark - 2012-03-16 10:57

      @PointBlank I suggest you read up on the history of the DA as it is an amalgamation of the DP and various other parties including the NNP. You profile says you hate stupid people - do you include yourself in that description. In any normal society somebody with Mazibuko's experience would never be elected as Parliamentary leader - She was pushed by Zille into that position because she is a black female. Yes she is very bright and well spoken but that hardly means she should be parliamentary leader. As for mazibuko addressing cabinet - I was unaware that she was a member of Zuma's cabinet - get your facts straight

      Mark - 2012-03-16 11:16

      @Glynn - my daughter has a hair lip and I find your comment insensitive. Next time try debating an issue with the facts rather than resorting to childish name calling

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-03-16 12:41

      Mark owned you all. You'd rather insult him and give him a thumbs-down than prove him wrong. Childish.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 12:54

      @Mark, I never called or implied you were stupid, and you are still wrong: http://www.sahistory.org.za/dated-event/nnp-joins-anc

      infijar.ken - 2012-03-16 12:54

      @Mark, I'm not from around here, so you'll have to explain slowly to me. I remember when I first came down here that NNP MP's crossed the floor to the ANC. Not only that, their leader was promoted to the Governments Cabinet. So, how does that make the NNP part of the DA?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 12:56

      @Mark, also the DA is a democratic party, Lindiwe was ELECTED to that position, not "pushed" as you so imply..

      christian.helberg - 2012-03-16 13:10

      @Mark, so Lindiwe Mazibuko is black, she is also very well educated, has tremendous amount of potenial, and as WE the DA are a multi-racial party, whose values promote opportunities for all, why shouldn't she be elected?? Should you only want people of a certain ethnical group elected, I am pleased that you didnt vote.

      infijar.ken - 2012-03-16 13:15

      @Oceanh - it seems to me that Mark also harbours sexists and ageist tendencies as well as ethnic!

      Mark - 2012-03-16 13:40

      @PointBlank - please read this for the facts - http://www.da.org.za/about.htm?action=view-page&category=383

      Timothy - 2012-03-16 14:49

      @ Mark Winning there brew...

      Amused - 2012-03-16 15:23

      Mark, you miss the point ... Yes, Mazibuko is almost certainly a political appointment .... .... a very shrewd one given that the DA is alienated from the overwhelming majority of the voting public, who also happen to be black. Not only do the DA have to convince black voters that a party led by a white person can represent them better than the movement that liberated them, which, in itself is no small task, they have to do it against a backdrop of shortsighted small minded dilusional whites within the party, and amongst the ranks of its' supporters, who seemingly haven't the common sense to see the bigger picture. To that end i think Helen Zille has done an utterly amazing job, and Mazibuko, who is clearly very talented, as well as being black, along with De Lille, are pragmatic and progressive appointments, that should be applauded. I strongly suspect you are amongst the small minded whites ....

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 15:48

      @Mark, the merger mentioned in the article on the DA's website refers to a VERY brief relationship before the NNP went over and settled in the ANC, the word "merger" in that article is used very loosely.. We have both now presented facts ;) Have a good weekend..

      infijar.ken - 2012-03-16 16:10

      Aha, thank you Mark. So there was a short lived merger between the DP and the NNP, which resulted in a movement across the floor around a year later to the ANC by the NNP. Nice to see their leader immediately reaped the rewards of this treachery. So, the upshot is, if the NNP took their votes with them to the ANC, the DA/DP have still managed to increase their poll from 1.7% to the over 24% stated above. Maybe the NNP has slowly lost their voters to the DA, explaining the slow reduction in percentile figures accredited to the Governing Party at the last election. Just wondering, how many of those who originally crossed the floor are still widening their bottoms on the Governments benches?

      Mark - 2012-03-16 18:06

      @ infijar.ken Do you honestly believe that Van Schalwyk took his votes to the ANC - The NP supporters all voted for the DA and continue to do so without any viable alternative. The fact is that in national Elections the DA has managed about 16% in 2009 so I fail to see how you get to 24% (don't extrapolate the numbers in the last municipal elections to a national figure , they are off a much lower base and it becomes statistically irrelevant) Fact is the opposition vote in 94 was 20% and now its down to 16% and it will be lower at the next election thanks to Zille and Mazibuko. They are no threat to the ANC - the ANC is looking over its left shoulder not its right shoulder. Most blacks can see through the racism in mazibuko's appointment and frankly aren't stupid enough to fall for such blatant racism.

      greeff.kotze - 2012-03-16 22:38

      @Mark "...off a much lower base..." - What are you on about? 2009 National Elections: 2 945 829 National ballot votes out of 17,680,729 votes cast = 16.66% (https://www.elections.org.za/content/Pages/LGE_NPE_Reports/ReportHandler.aspx?lReportID=16&sEvent=22%20Apr%202009%20National%20Election&sReportName=Party%20Support&sParty=DEMOCRATIC%20ALLIANCE/DEMOKRATIESE%20ALLIANSIE&sFormat=PDF) 2011 Municipal Elections: 3 216 006 PR ballot votes out of 13 592 856 cast nationally = 24.08% (http://www.elections.org.za/content/LGEPublicReports/197/Detailed%20Results/National.pdf) 13 million total votes compared to 17 million votes is not "a much lower base". Yes, less people vote in local government elections, but the decisions made by 13 million voters are still very significant, statistically. And the most important observation of all: the DA increased their number of votes, in absolute terms, despite the turnout of 4 million less voters.

      infijar.ken - 2012-03-17 00:13

      @Mark, the question was to you, mine was somewhat hypocritical, since "Hypocrisy is the Vaseline of political intercourse." It is nice to find that you are able to argue your corner, though I was using the stats mentioned against you. I am neither pro-ANC nor pro-DA. I am trying to understand the standpoints of both sides. Maybe it is easier to imagine me as a Devil's Advocate. I would like to know, though, what MvS actually took to the ruling Party, if votes were not part of this. What was the point?

      Blip - 2012-03-17 23:05

      Mark, kindly explain why municipal elections are "not representative" but general elections mysteriously are. (And you apprear to have overlooked the FACT that the Nats did not ever amalgamate with the DP, but that they officially and formally amalgamated with the ANC. Kortbroek van Schalkwyk earned himself a ministerial wage, car and mansion for doing that, rather like Mulder today.)

      markus.andersson.129 - 2012-08-25 20:41

      I'm late to the party, but I have to point something out to Mark: In the 1999 election, the DP and NNP combined earned 16% of the vote. In the 2004 election, DA and NNP earned only 14% combined. So obviously, NP lost a lot of votes 1994-2004. And DP/DA wasn't able to pick up all of them at that time. Zille wasn't even leader back then, so can hardly be at fault. If anything, the DA took back voters in the 2009 election, under Zille, that had previously shifted to the ANC or the ID. The 2011 local election, with Zille at the helm, also produced a result significantly better than in 2006, before she took over.

  • BrandonFaber - 2012-03-16 08:14

    Politicians suck. They are undeserving of our time, energy and money. BE GONE!

      Kevin - 2012-03-16 08:36

      You are a bit naive Brandon. Politicians have been with us forever and are probaly the oldest profession predating prostitution. You should read some Roman history or Machiavelli.

      Piet - 2012-03-16 09:04

      I agree, Politicians are always for themselves and then the people!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 10:44

      @Brandon, maybe but sadly they the one's who affect our lives daily, so our job is to make sure the right one's are in that position..

      Glyn - 2012-03-16 10:57

      @ Brandon - You have time, energy and money? Without a government you would have none of that! Twit! You probably drive a pink VW Beetle and cross-dress!

      Brandon - 2012-03-16 13:27

      Glyn. Politicians the world over live lives way beyond their means, qualification and skills set. By saying "politicians suck" I am referring to the practice of citizens paying for lifestyles that the beneficiaries did not / and do not, deserve. I have what I have because I work for it, not because some nitwit gave it to me. Twits, Glyn, are people who believe that their lives are made possible by those in government. And I'd gladly drive a pink beetle and cross-dress if that was what I was into - and would not need permission from any government to do so.

  • Smell - 2012-03-16 08:14

    Helen Zille continues to be a huge asset to South Africa and I like and respect her very much. However, the DA would probably do better in the African voter pool if the leader happened to be African.

      Andres De Wet - 2012-03-16 08:20

      I think it's Helen Zille that's pushing the \of-colour\ agenda, with her support for Mazibuko etc. Sounds like the malcontent group is of the conservative, Trolip grouping. This CANNOT happen! Conservatives will take the DA back to the days of Tony Leon and it will precipitously lose support of more progressive people and people of colour. If Helen is unseated by a conservative faction, the ANC is handed a overwhelming majority in 2014 on a silver platter. Then it will be open-season on the courts, free speech and the constitution.

      pws69 - 2012-03-16 08:34

      Both the recently elected GP North and GP South leaders are black. Zille has been pushing very hard to make party leadership more representative without compromising DA values. The most effective manner of doing this is to make inroads into the black voter base, as this is where these black leaders will come from. The DA are achieving this, and therefore the demographic is changing accordingly.

      npretorius2 - 2012-03-16 08:56

      Do you mean black or African? Because I consider myself African...

      Jacqui - 2012-03-16 10:30

      npretorius2, Black or African?. What's your point?.

      Blip - 2012-03-17 23:10

      "The days of Tony Leon" saw the DA grow from under 5% to over 10%. They were spectacularly successful days at the time.

  • nthlarhi.ntimane - 2012-03-16 08:21

    And the News24 had to involve/ include the ANC in this article. Who is the editor of this media house? Jannie?

      Penny - 2012-03-16 08:26

      News24 was quoting someone who mentioned the ANC so it's very relevant to this article. Please go read it again before you get all insecure and think that everyone's attacking you. Get a life

      Thabo - 2012-03-16 08:43

      It's not News24 that brought it up, it was brought up by Zille who said "the DA’s growth must not be dampened by ANC-type infighting.”

      nthlarhi.ntimane - 2012-03-16 12:20

      The problem with the DA is that they always prefer to play the opponent instead of the ball. Why does Zille have to mention (advertise) the ANC here instead of coming with the solutions for the problems currently engulfing her party? Please tell us what you can do differently to better our lives instead of trying to tarnish the image of the opposition. Leave the ANC out of this.

  • zaakiro - 2012-03-16 08:23

    The reason why the DA isn't as greedy and corrupt as the ANC is because they don't have enough power. Once they gain power & control they will eventually undermine the public.

      phathuchicos - 2012-03-16 08:32

      ??????????????????????????????????????????

      pws69 - 2012-03-16 08:37

      The DA run an entire province. Please make a list of all of the corruption scandals coming out of the WC compared to MP or Limpopo, then we will see how honest your comment is.

      phathuchicos - 2012-03-16 08:42

      pws69...was the tender to build 21st century open toilet systems in townships published in newspapers?...infact it was just awarded to some DA cronies secretely and no one(including anc) had the audacity to challenge them since they were doing it.

      pws69 - 2012-03-16 08:47

      @The-Azanian, Yes it was advertised, as PROVEN in the subsequent investigation. Those are 21st century ENCLOSED, with concrete, toilets. Remember also that there were MORE than the ANC stipulated communal toilets already in place, and the community was consulted, and agreed to the plan. Now, about the ANC, STILL UNENCLOSED, Viljoenskroon toilets..... Any comment on that?

      uwe.klopfer - 2012-03-16 08:57

      and you can prove this how ? Because the ANC is a bunch of bloodsuckers all political parties are ? The DA hasn't ruled yet except in the Western Cape and the western cape is the best performing province...coincidence ?

      phathuchicos - 2012-03-16 08:59

      face it pws69...Once you are in Africa you have to play the african way to survive the jungle which DA is currently doing right now...

      Nigel - 2012-03-16 09:01

      sheep

      pws69 - 2012-03-16 09:06

      @The-Azanian True, but I would say political jungle, and it occurs worldwide. Ever wonder why the US sex scandals only come out during election time? Just saying :-)

      pws69 - 2012-03-16 09:07

      Oops, I meant erection time in my last comment. :-)

      Sean - 2012-03-16 09:09

      @The-Azanian- Gees , could you only bring up the toilet issue , LOL !! If I had to start with the ANC imbeciles I would be writing the whole day !!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-16 09:13

      @The-Azanian - On a point of order. You are wrong. These same contractors done some work for ANC controlled places as well and was doing work while WC was in ANC's hands. Stop bubbling and make sure of facts!!!! :)

      Blip - 2012-03-16 09:17

      Duhhh... they ARE in power in the Western Cape. Unqualified audits. Zero corruption. No blue-light convoys and five-star hotel imbizos.

      Rhyno - 2012-03-16 09:49

      Chop award number 3 for the day...

      gbbfg - 2012-03-16 09:52

      Zaakiringo RUBBISH RUBBISH RUBBISH Good grief.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-16 10:35

      The Azanian, well since open toilets and ANC run municipalities go hand in hand what are you on about? The ANC only made a song and dance about open toilets in Cape Town because of the DA. Typically they ignored the stinking things they call toilets in their own areas. Hypocrites the whole bunch of them and you too.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-16 10:37

      Te Azanian, play the African way. Oh I see, now we are really doomed.

      greeff.kotze - 2012-03-16 22:44

      @Zaakirinho That's why you have the option of switching your vote every election. If you're feeling cynical about it all, at least reward the least worst of the lot with your vote - at least that's progress. If the situation changes, take your vote elsewhere.

  • maryana65 - 2012-03-16 08:26

    Good ridence to bad rubbish !!!!

      Penny - 2012-03-16 08:28

      This comment was probably for the Malema expulsion article? Go comment on pointless and useless ANCYL matters please. This level of proper politics is way above your head.

      Marion - 2012-03-16 09:06

      @Angela Banda aka as maryana65 - Very vociferous about South Africa and women in politics are you. If you like dictators (or Life Presidents)aka referred to as 'strong men' by you (Gadaffi and co), what are you doing in a democratic country like South Africa?

      maryana65 - 2012-03-16 09:09

      @MArion , why are you aka worried about what i like or say aka if you are democratic . Free will remember aka .

      Sean - 2012-03-16 09:12

      @maryana65 - I can see you are highly ``intellectual`` ! Imbecile !

      maryana65 - 2012-03-16 09:16

      Keep it coming , the problem is , I DON'T VALUE YOUR OPINION .

      Jeffrey - 2012-03-16 09:30

      You got "educated" at St. Mary's High School, and London School of Investment and Finance and you've got the chutzpah to criticise white people. Go back to Malawi, where they tell women how they must dress, that would be in keeping with your African "culture".

      Marion - 2012-03-16 09:32

      j@maryana65 - I seldom bother to check someone's fb profile when I disagree with them. But today I checked yours. Totally into dictators you are. Why do you keep saying aka? You claim to be educated yet you don't seem to know what aka means. Check it out online. I said 'democratic country like South Africa'. And,actually, it is called Freedom of Expression. Your freewill led you to a country that practices a totally different brand of politics to what you obviously prefer. Freedom of expression is what allows you to talk rubbish.

      Rhyno - 2012-03-16 09:51

      Well done number 4...

      gbbfg - 2012-03-16 09:56

      marayana65, it is clear from your facebook profile that you do not want to be in South Africa, which is a democracy. So please shove off out of my country.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-16 11:00

      maryana65, are you packing then?.

      maryana65 - 2012-03-16 16:21

      I will wait for you before I board the plane . My flight is only 2 hrs compared to 10 hours flight for you .So let me know when you get to the straits of Gilbrator , I will board mine . Fair game .

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-16 08:27

    ...DA is fastly becoming ANC more than ANC while its supporters are still thinking everything is in kukuland...another second happy ending south african story.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 10:48

      Now you just blurting out nonsense...

      Glyn - 2012-03-16 11:07

      Troll.

  • pws69 - 2012-03-16 08:31

    This is the way it should be. There must always be competition, that we we get the best of the best in leadership positions. I have full confidence in the democratic processes of the DA.

  • Barefoot - 2012-03-16 08:32

    They are all politicians after all, and i believe power is what you ultimately seek when you join politics

  • Roger - 2012-03-16 08:32

    Even though I’ve lived here for over a decade; I’m not a South African citizen and am not allowed to vote; but after following all of the political issues closely (just to make sure I can continue living here); Helen Zille and Thuli Madonsela are about the only two I have respect for, along with Mbeki’s brother. Trevor was looking promising before but then he throws a curve ball that makes you question the background motives. Every time Vavi does something that gives me hope for him, he immediately follows it up what we call in my profession a “Violation of Common Sense”.

      Se-a Spencer Ikeremm - 2012-03-16 08:50

      I agree with you on everything.

      Irene - 2012-03-16 09:58

      Well said.

      Glyn - 2012-03-16 11:11

      Well said, Roger! Some people throw their vote away because of very frivolous reasons. Zille and Madonsela are top people. So is Trollip, who will get a top position is the Eastern Cape sometime soon and the National Government a bit later, so he should not worry too much.

  • Greg - 2012-03-16 08:32

    Let's just hope that whatever the outcome, the DA rises above the rest and becomes a force that can one day take control of the country...

      Mark - 2012-03-16 13:49

      Wish i lived in your dream world dude - never going to happen

  • manyanem - 2012-03-16 08:34

    If you want to kill a successful opposition party with a brilliant leader start all the nonsense of wanting to remove Zille and then you are peddling a COPE receipe.

      Glyn - 2012-03-16 11:14

      Remember those people who did not vote DA (or DP as ti was) because they did not like Tony Leon's voice!? What a silly reason for not voting on a very serious item! Those people should be ashamed of themselves.

      PeggySven - 2012-03-16 13:55

      @Glyn, as I went to school with Tony Leon, I did not vote for his party as I knew he was not only a bully, but a man that only cared for himself and nobody else. If he had ever come to run the country, the kleptomania of the CancER would have seemed like honesty compared to what he would have done to the country.

  • Mesulie Vince' Ntombela - 2012-03-16 08:38

    trouble in Paradise...

      pws69 - 2012-03-16 08:44

      No, News24 trying to create the impression of trouble, in order to get revenue.

      Glyn - 2012-03-16 11:14

      You got it right!!! DA = paradise.

  • Comrade - 2012-03-16 08:45

    GOOD THING. Thats DEMOCRACY in ACTION. My vote is for Lindewe.

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-03-16 09:19

      The least you could do would be to spell her name correctly.

      Elize - 2012-03-16 09:50

      Doesn't matter how you spell her name, she is brilliant, I have so much respect for her!!

      Lubsan - 2012-03-16 10:20

      @Gcwabe-KaMavovo...I don't see why would someone give a thumbs down for your comment...*smh*

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-03-16 10:32

      @Elize Absolute hogwash. Why shouldn't it matter how somebody spells your name? Would you have no problem if people spelt yours Ellize or Eliza?

      christian.helberg - 2012-03-16 14:35

      @Gcwabe-KaMavovo, you and I both understand what Comrade was saying and who he/she was talking about, that is the point. Why be petty? Be open minded, i dare you. Have you never made a spelling error? Or had poor grammer, mistakes happen.

  • Comrade - 2012-03-16 08:46

    TO HELL WITH THE ANC.... TO HELL WITH THE cANCer

  • Lesvokli - 2012-03-16 08:47

    And what is the name of this small group?

      Blip - 2012-03-17 23:13

      24% of the electorate?

  • Bongani - 2012-03-16 08:49

    Zuma should just make Zille an ambassador in Iceland like ANC did with Tony Leon. That Tony guy was really taken over votes.

      Marion - 2012-03-16 09:36

      @Bongani - I for one never voted DA when Tony Leon was the leader.

      Blip - 2012-03-17 23:14

      Why not? Leon shot straight. Just as how Mazibuko and De Lille and Zille shoot straight.

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-16 08:50

    The next political party...AnB OR BA...you have to use atleast two of the letter ABCD to be on the game baba...take a look at COPING, Inkata Facebook Party, freedom f**ks and udm which i don't know what it stands for since I have never heard of them since 2000...they never made it...well you saw how good the AwB debut was in 2010..

  • stalin.rudolf - 2012-03-16 08:51

    when i spoke to Hellen i tried to warn her about these floor crossers infiltrating the DA from A&C. now i think the greed and rot has gone too deep. will have to call her later and expel some noncomfs

  • billidp - 2012-03-16 08:54

    Whilst democracy is good, be careful of trying to get rid of Helen Zille for your own political ambitions... you may just lose many voters who only vote for the DA BECAUSE OF Helen!

  • Melusi Myaluza - 2012-03-16 08:57

    unseat her!

      robey.larsen - 2012-03-16 09:22

      A.H

  • Giftige_M i s f i t - 2012-03-16 08:59

    Helen Zille's is the DA.Enough said! (:

  • Mtizozo - 2012-03-16 08:59

    My vote will always go for ANC, so far it's the only paty that liberated all south african sitizens, whites and blacks,,

      pws69 - 2012-03-16 09:04

      That is ANC rhetoric, and the fact that you believe it speaks volumes about your reasoning ability and lack of knowledge. I'll provide a little insight. Over 600 organisations fought against Apartheid, INCLUDING the DA. The DA started fighting for the black vote in 1959, one year after formation. Tutu, on his own, with his sanctions drive, did more to end apartheid than the ANC ever did. MK had almost no affect, apart from blowing up women and children, and more ANC MKs dies in the ANC camp qattro than in active "battle" against the SADF. But you are welcome to live in your fairy tale world.

      Marilee de Vries - 2012-03-16 09:21

      shame. its sad to see blind people like you.

      Elize - 2012-03-16 09:52

      Speak for yourself dude!!

      gbbfg - 2012-03-16 09:59

      Mtizozo you are as blind as the rest of them

      Bertus Pretorius - 2012-03-16 10:02

      Whatever and whoever helped with the fight against the past's hurt and pain, it's important to focus on the future and choose a leadership that will lead SA with competence, skill, honesty, dignity and a spirit of humanity and willingness to build. \r\n\r\nA question you may want to ask yourself, Mtizozo, is will your loyalty build or break SA's future? When telling your grandschildren stories about our country's rise/fall, how will your stance on any political party play a role in that story?

      Jacqui - 2012-03-16 10:45

      Mtizozo. Keep dreaming, must be uncomfortable though with your head stuck in the sand. ANC liberated South Africa, man what a joke.

  • Phumi - 2012-03-16 09:03

    Mr. Athol Trollip is a much more sober leader who can take this party back to the hey days of Tony Leon and not this current dictatorship. Mr. Trollip can bring a more human face to the party rather than this proxy rent a black we are seeing with Mazibuko and Maimane!

      Derek - 2012-03-16 09:11

      I don't know too much about mazibuko but maimane demonstrated what a fine person,leader and upright citizen he is during his municipal election campaign in Jozi, He has huge integrity ( unlike most within the anc) and, as you so racistly put it, is certainly not a proxy rent a black, and, like the DA, will make a positive difference for ALL south Africans in his endeavours

      Xolani Ziqubu - 2012-03-16 09:23

      @Derek. Mazibuko is totally out of her depth. The DA in parliarment is not as effective now. Its one of the major reasons why the DA will lose the black middle class vote. She is seen as a window dress. No realy substance. Factor in her inability to reach the poor vote then u know she was a bad choice. The funny thing is Trollip has more waight with the black voters than the poster girls...

      Jeffrey - 2012-03-16 09:37

      @Xolani, I heard Maimane on SAFM this week. He has more intelligence and character in his toenails than the ANC has in its entire NEC.

      Marion - 2012-03-16 09:41

      @Phumi - 'proxy rent a black' - what about the 'proxy rent a white' of the ANC - or doesn't that matter to you? Both Lindiwe and Mmusi are totally capable individuals who have earned the respect of people from all race groups and did not just demand it.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-16 10:47

      Phumi, what intelligence you are displaying. A four year old would love to have a discussion with you.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 10:52

      @Xolani, have you sat in parliament and seen Mazibuko whip those ANC pimps left right and centre. You talking about something you really have no clue on.

  • Thoka - 2012-03-16 09:06

    this is home run. there is no house without its agendas

  • oarabile.selekisho - 2012-03-16 09:07

    Will be a mistake of a life time, I think hellen is in the wright track!! am not a DA leader because of wounds caused by whites but Hellen is a grate leader!!

      Bongani - 2012-03-16 11:04

      she is great leader, but great leaders do not die in the office. She should give to others. I think Mazibuko is a right candidate to take over from her and we turn DA to a mini ANC. Some people are more dumb than they admit, if some one speaks english well they automatically think he/she is clever or intellengent as they put it. if you are african (black or white) and you can not speak more than three languages, then you are dumb no matter how well you speak your english.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-03-16 09:08

    If the removal of Helen benefits the party so be it, the DA has been caught out in a few to many underhand ANC style dealings of late and one must in all honesty ask if they are in reality any different from the party they are trying to unseat. South Africa needs a clean and competent government to lead us into a brighter future, not a slightly less dirty one, that will steal less.

      pws69 - 2012-03-16 09:14

      You are wrong. DA actions speak very loudly. The only DA MP implicated in Travelgate was fired. The ANC used TAXPAYERS money to buy up the debt to prevent prosecution of their members. Some of those ANC members, like BOOI, who was convicted, were promoted. On funding, when the DA found our the Harksen and Kebble money was tainted, they returned it. The ANC not only kept the Kebble money, but publicly stated there was nothing wrong with keeping it (both ANC and ANCYL used this line of reasoning).

      Marion - 2012-03-16 09:44

      @pws69 - let's not forget about those ANC members who have served jail sentences / been found guilty of serious crimes who hold leadership positions within the ANC.

  • sakhikhaya.dlala - 2012-03-16 09:11

    "DA’s growth must not be dampened by ANC-type infighting.” Why cant she just shut the F up about the ANC. This is a DA issue, she didnt have to mention the ANC's name nxaaa

      sakhikhaya.dlala - 2012-03-16 09:23

      The DA is the issue here! #corrections

  • Blip - 2012-03-16 09:12

    Do ANY of these 'conspirators' have a name or any sort of substance? Or is this just a reporter's 'pseudo-news' invention?

  • Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-03-16 09:21

    Zille rules with an iron fist. I doubt she would step down as easily as Tony Leon.

  • Marilee de Vries - 2012-03-16 09:24

    only a few years left. Then DA will be ruling party. CANT WAIT! whoooohoooo!

      Xolani Ziqubu - 2012-03-16 09:39

      Take it easy on the amber stuff its way too early in the day. The DA will not rule unless white South Africans have a change of heart. And we all know that will not happen anytime soon.... You only have too read this forum to know why black people will not entrust the DA with their future.

      Thabo Mabotsa - 2012-03-16 10:01

      Okay , okay calm down please . I know there are some crazy people on this site but this is too much ,its too early in the morning to smoke that addictive substance which makes you type the nonsense you just wrote ,but I forgive you because you white !!

  • Nyandeni Simphiwe - 2012-03-16 09:26

    The DA have been focusing so much on the ANC and its short comings that they've adopted their tendencies....mark my words doomed is the DA if Zille goes

      Marion - 2012-03-16 09:48

      Unfortunately the thing about opposition politics is that they do focus on the shortcomings of the leading party. I also get totally peeved everytime I hear ANC/ANCYL mentioned in a DA speech etc., but I also get totally peeved when I hear the word DA mentioned in an ANC/ANCYL address, normally in a totally derogatory fashion.

  • Greg - 2012-03-16 09:29

    It is very disappointing to read an article of this nature. I realise politics is about power, however, sometimes in the interests to the great good we need people like Helen Zille as leader. We may not always like her leadership style. The important take issue here is that we have someone who is prepared to stand up for what is right and make the tough decisions. These are values that are sadly lacking in politics around the world and hence the debt crisis and bankrupt governments in Europe. South Africa deperately needs leaders like Helen Zille. It is only when you travel to other provinces do you begin to realise what Helen Zille and the DA have done here in Cape Town and Western Cape. Service delivery is taking place here. The City of Cape Town and the Western Cape have functional and effective government. This cannot be said of any of the other major cities and provinces. The success here is about effective leadership and ensuring legislation is enforced and making absolutley sure the official in this part of the work deliver to us, the public who pay their salaries. Helen Zille cannot do it alone. There are also other very effective and dedicated people around her who share the same values and strive to achieve the best they can with limited resources. It is not form nothing foreign investors prefer Cape Town and it is the premier tourist destination in South Africa. Take care here or we could end up like Johannesburg or the Eastern Cape which are disfunctional.

      Elize - 2012-03-16 10:03

      Greg I fully agree with you, we moved to the WC two years ago from Johannesburg and it is scary!! It is almost like you are in an entire different country, people can say what they want about the WC but it works!!!! One thing you can be sure of, there are a lot of people relocating to the WC and with them they bring a lot of votes for the DA.

  • Muneer23 - 2012-03-16 09:40

    Sounds like there's a mole in the DA

  • ericvb - 2012-03-16 10:01

    Helen Zille has done a fantastic job. She has done miracles in the WC. Leave colour out of this. She simply knows what she is doing. If given the power, she could change the country.

  • Ed - 2012-03-16 10:24

    good...she is a harpy who cannot be trusted:)

      Jacqui - 2012-03-16 10:50

      Oh but you can be trusted?.

  • Glyn - 2012-03-16 10:43

    So? What is new? The DA is democratic and behaves in a democratic manner.

  • Carry - 2012-03-16 11:04

    SORT IT OUT PROPERLY AND PEACEFULLY - DON'T START BEHAVING LIKE THE ANC NOW. THIS COUNTRY'S POLITICAL AFFARIRS ARE A BIG JOKE AS IT IS.

  • Grant - 2012-03-16 11:17

    Choice is always welcome. A good spirit too - the DA’s growth must not be dampened by ANC-type infighting.” even when talking aboutb their own internal elections, the DA is preoccupied with the ANC. give us DA policies, forget about being anti ANC for a change and just trust in our own decision making process.Thats one thing i can say to the DA leadership, we dont really know your policies, only that ur anti-anc everything...which cant win the hearts of the voters.Seriously, unless i actively search out DA policies , i still know more about FF+ policies than DA policies

  • Michelle - 2012-03-16 11:55

    "Bloody agents" in the DA, perhaps?

  • Epher - 2012-03-16 13:25

    Afrikaners is plesierig dit kan julle glo....Saamstaan definitief nie so!

  • tau.mohale1 - 2012-03-16 14:21

    to da members i was listening to comments from jacob zuma in capetown on the indaba or news age interview where he said that cape town will soon be the anc lead government and hellen zilla sitting in the crowds was havin a small laugh.i am wondering that if you da voters take out hellen you'l suffer just lik ifp. for those who lov polotics like me ifp had factions and know its turned into nfp and ifp and anc in charge at kwa zulu natal. maybe da will be turned into george and trilop party anc in charge cape town hellen zilla the mec premier of western cape under anc

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