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DA leader under fire from her own party

2012-04-08 19:45

Johannesburg - Western Cape Premier and DA leader Helen Zille has come under fire from her own party for describing people who move to her province in search of a better education as “refugees”.

The party’s spin machine has gone into overdrive in the past three weeks to defend Zille’s use of the word.

Internally, both the DA Youth and eThekwini councillor Nicole Graham were among those who told Zille her words were not well-received by their constituencies.

DA Youth chairperson Mbali Ntuli said they asked Zille about it in a meeting they had on other issues.

“I think everyone in the party has been wanting some sort of understanding on the tweet,” she said. “We did speak to her about it. We think it might not be the right term for the younger audience.”

Ntuli said if people were re-considering their vote for the DA following Zille’s use of “refugees”, they might not have been convinced about voting for the DA in the first place.

She said the party’s youth structure was happy with Zille’s explanation that she meant to highlight the education crisis in the Eastern Cape.

Graham, who tweeted her concern with the use of the word “refugee”, said she sent an e-mail to Zille because she received a “fairly negative” response from her constituents.

Interpretation

“Technically there isn’t much of an issue with it. It is in the implication and the interpretation,” she said. She said Zille discussed it with her.

“She meant the right thing, she was going in the right direction, but the problem is with the way it was interpreted.”

Despite concerns that Zille’s utterance cost the DA loss of support in recent by-elections in three Port Elizabeth wards, Eastern Cape DA leader Athol Trollip said this was unlikely.

Although he was “disappointed” at the drop in support for the DA from 1.5% to 1.2% in one of the wards, he said this was an ANC stronghold because it was the home of former Nelson Mandela Bay Metro mayor Nceba Faku.

In the other two wards the party’s support rose slightly, but it was bound to be an uphill battle since the by-election came about after three ANC councillors died in a car crash and it was an emotional poll.

“The stories about the loss of support are anecdotal. Personally I might have used different language, but I support [Zille’s] sentiment 100%,” he said.

ANC 'refugee' plan

Western Cape ANC chairperson Marius Fransman said the party was planning to use the “refugee” term to campaign against the DA in future elections.

Zille’s chief of staff Geordin Hill-Lewis, however, hit back, saying the ANC’s elections tactic was to “divide South Africans on the basis of race”.

Asked whether Zille would apologise, he said: “She has said from the start that she regrets it when people are offended by her words, especially when there was no intention to offend.”

Two complaints have been lodged with the SA Human Rights Commission about her use of the term.

Comments
  • Simphiwe - 2012-04-08 12:07

    I often support Zille in principle when in comes to corruption. Zille will do herself a big favour if she makes an unconditional apology about the use of the word 'refugees' referring to South Africans in their own country. No matter how she can justify it, it smells bad. South africa is not a federal state. We are one country and we must be free to go anywhere within South Africa. Otherwise if Zille is not wise, she will limit chances of DA penetration into the black voters since it will increase the perception that DA is a White party.

      elewies - 2012-04-08 20:40

      Yeah I also think she should just apologize... All these 'misinterpretation' BS remind me of the constant ANC denials and 'wrong context' excuses. This being said- I still believe in Zille's leadership abilities and her vision for the DA

      christo.stone - 2012-04-08 20:55

      Agreed. I fully understand what she meant by it and see no harm in it, but others do not see it in the light that is was meant. An apology will only make it better for those parties.

      Alex - 2012-04-08 21:24

      We may not be federal but budgets are allocated per province thats why we got leadership structures for each one in order to identify issues and problems. Eastern Cape is run like a spaza shop and Zille calls some people refugees and all of a sudden people are running around screaming, shouting and gnashing teeth.

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-04-08 22:28

      Gee the lady is human after all...how many blunders haven't other party leaders made...although it is regretable..but I think she was under some pressure at the time....anyway I think non DA supporters have done overtime on bring it up...don't worry Helen we still love you.

      Blip - 2012-04-09 02:07

      The truth is not a blunder. If you have AIDS and the doctor tells you you have AIDS it's not a blunder. It's the hard truth. If he told you you only had flu you'd feel happy, but he'd only be hiding the ugly truth from you.

      Arthur - 2012-04-09 06:24

      FACT: 44% OFF ALL NEW ENROLMENTSTS IN THE WESTERN CAPE BETWEEN GRADE 1 AND 12 COME FROM THE EASTERN CAPE!! Thats the scary reality and Zille pointed out what a pathetic mess the education system is like in the ANC-controlled Eastern Cape. And she referred to them as education refugees which is totally different from refugees.

      Oom - 2012-04-09 08:52

      Ag pleeze, why do we not focus on the issue instead!!!

      Koos - 2012-04-09 08:56

      The truth always hurts.

      Consolata - 2012-04-09 08:57

      Fact of the matter is that no one can ever be a refugee in their own country so she had no right to call them that. I understand that she wants to bring attention to the education problems in the eastern cape, but thats no excuse for insulting people. She should have stuck to insulting the anc leadership in that province.

      Jean - 2012-04-09 09:13

      Well said Simphiwe... Zille will do her self a favor by apologizing but she must play smart, apologize for the 'refugees' comment but at the same time she must explain why she said it and by that emphasize more on the horrific state the education is under the ANC!! Let the ANC also use the DA mistakes against them but the ANC is a screw up and some where along the line the ANC will say something 10 times worse and then the pie will be in their face... like always.

      Glyn - 2012-04-09 10:32

      No apology required! The word "refugee" was used in the true English dictionary context and so should stand. All those who demand an apology are just anc apologists! Stand up against the totalitarian anc or YOU WILL BE APOLOGIZING ALL YOUR MISERABLE LIVES! Next you will be apologizing that clouds are white!

      George - 2012-04-09 10:42

      Simphiwe ... read this link: http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=291532&sn=Detail&pid=71616 and maybe you will understand.

      Phuti - 2012-04-09 11:25

      Malema also never meant to hurt whites by his statements.

      Morne - 2012-04-09 12:43

      HZ did not aim the word on "Refugee's" at a certain ethnic group. What HZ is actually saying is that education systems in other provinces(EC,MP,NC)are not able to function properly,Example,in the EC about 60000 students could not enroll for their 1st year, in all the University in the Eastern Cape, so where should these students go!?, obviously to another province. Its a burden for many students to go and study in another province, due to the cost to study increases quite much and im sure that many students would prefer to study in their region, close at home.HZ using the refugee word are probably out of sentence, as there are many other words that she could of used to describe these students that has to transfer.

      hein.huyser - 2012-04-09 13:30

      Instead of us doing some introspection on the meaning of the reality of what Zille have said we all get emotional because of denial. Face it, we have the minority in this country who are being treated as refugees in their own country. I can quote a hundred laws based on color if anybody denies this. Furthermore, we have a corrupt government who steal their own people blind and stuff up the schools, hospitals etc, and they they still get support. This doesn't make sense. We need to deal with this created realities.

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-04-09 15:54

      Thanks to George for supplying that link. I read it and subscribed immediatly to keep me updated on all the background stories that we do not know about. I recommend that you all read it, whether you are attacking of defending Helen, it will mean a lot in broadening your mind. I repeat the link. http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?

  • Cassandra Olivier - 2012-04-08 20:14

    No one would have said anything if the ANC hadn't said anything

      paulmandlankosi - 2012-04-09 09:54

      Why not leave the ANC out of this a face the facts. This has caused the DA a few votes including mine, period

      Glyn - 2012-04-09 10:40

      @paulmandlankosi - You, sir, are an arch twit! You change your vote for a single word?!?! Compare that to the corruption, robbery, racism and other goings on in the anc and it is nothing at all! Stop being petulant like a teenager and THINK!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-04-09 15:22

      @ paulmandlankosi.. How stupid can you be?..or don't you know the facts. She (HZ) did not call anybody "a refugee". What she did call them are "educantional refugees" which is a very valid comment in refering to the 44% of E.Cape learners who streamed into the Western Cape for a better education. I doubt in any event if you voted for the DA if you are so shallow as to change a vote for such a petty reason!

  • Dawn - 2012-04-08 20:15

    Just apologize to the flippen people pls..

      Glyn - 2012-04-09 10:41

      @Dawn - Why?

      Christo - 2012-04-09 14:22

      Dawn, again yor white arrogant, like Zille attitude, '' FLIPPEN'' people, as you dont wanna say the real word ''f@cking''. Though i dont support Jujus views and the things he said, but reading all the comments and hatred, i can understand why the youth is standing behind him

  • Horace - 2012-04-08 20:19

    It is unfortunately the ANC's plan to "ship" in supporters from Eastern Cape in the hope they will eventually vote the DA out of power in Cape Town and/or the Western Cape. This is exactly what the Nats did in the 60's to get some representation in Durban. Watch this space DA and be warned (although I believe you are well aware of this "threat")

      Blip - 2012-04-09 02:10

      The Nats never shipped anyone into Durban.

      iainrhind - 2012-04-09 07:49

      Horace, please provide a historical reference for your statement.

      Horace - 2012-04-09 19:56

      @Blip, Iainrhind...come on guys!?? Don't you know that the Nts shipped in plenty Nat supporters - mostly Afrikaans - to work for SAR&H and SAPO parastatals!? In case you don't know it stands for "SA Railways and Harbours" This is a fact: I know many of my English-speaking family that worked for those parastatals that were displaced/overlooked for promotion.

      Horace - 2012-04-09 20:20

      @Le, the moves were organised by the state/province/parastatals. This happened in the then Natal province in the 50s and 60s. Just check the history books; how many Nat seats were there in the Durban Municipality in the 50s and 60s and then compare it to the 70s and 80s......whose the frikken moron now!? You are totally clueless about the recent history of this country!!???

      Ewan - 2012-04-09 22:37

      Le, You are a total imbecile; you don't have a clue about the history of SA. You obviously don't have much comprehensive ability - you have totally misinterpreted Horace's comment!!??

  • George - 2012-04-08 20:22

    Interesting, I wanna hear AfriForums response, I remember how they reacted when Juju used a so call wrong word (miss interpreted)

      Riaan - 2012-04-08 20:35

      There was no misinterpretation in that case, George of the jungle. Go back to your tree.

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  • adam - 2012-04-08 20:24

    What she said is NOTHING compared to what the anc do and say on a daily basis. If you were offended...grow up, this LADY has done more good for all South Africans than the anc has done in 100 years.

      adam - 2012-04-08 20:28

      As for marius fransman..............best unsaid.

      Londi - 2012-04-08 21:01

      What the ANC has done in a 100 years is liberate and fight for everyone to vote and be equal. You will never appreciate that. For obvious reasons. I agree with you, the current leadership of the ANC is in tatters. I'm from Mpumalanga. There has never been a university in my province. Thanks to the white apartheid government. Am I a refugee if I go to JHB for education? Helen was wrong! She must be rebuked!

      adam - 2012-04-08 21:37

      Londi, you would be welcome in any university, if you could get in. The (your) government has failed you by not building universities and schools. I am in fact surprised that in nearly two decades of anc plunder, they neglected to provide your province with universities. This is not my problem, because I never voted anc. If you continue voting anc, it will be your childrens problem. I suggest you do your best to get a decent education, maybe try the WC.

      Blip - 2012-04-09 02:12

      ANC liberated nobody. Only made speeches. And, in power, flushed everyone -- themselves included -- down the toilet.

      Generaal - 2012-04-09 03:46

      @Londi, you are stupid. No university education will make you sound intelligent. Keep up your stupidity

      Glyn - 2012-04-09 10:50

      @Londi - And what about the 30000 Zulus killed in KZN? What was the anc role in that? So the White Afrikaner government did not put up a university in Mpumalanga!?! The anc have been there since 1994! You could have put up your own uni!! But of course you do not know how to!! Ha! HA!

      hein.huyser - 2012-04-09 13:36

      @ londi, now if everyone is equal, why are there hundreds of laws in this country that excludes a certain race to compete on equal grounds, for the betterment of all? Me think you believe the lies of the cANCer.

  • Amanda - 2012-04-08 20:32

    We are all refugees who run away from an ANC led Provinces. Helen Zille is 100% correct. People run away from their ANC led Provinces for good damn reason. We feel safer in the Western Cape. She will not lose support for telling the absolute truth.

  • Andrew - 2012-04-08 20:34

    Cut through all the crap. Why do they flock here other than to benefit from better education, healthcare and other services. In that respect they are refugees. Refugees from the shocking services provided by the ANC and lets not play on words. We all know the chaos that the ANC has brought to the Eastern Cape and now they are trying to make polical mileage out of a word. SICK. It just shows how desperate they are to stem the failures they have overseered for 18 years..

      celeste.rsa - 2012-04-08 20:58

      People are upset about a word - they should be upset about the dismal service that their elected leaders are providing in the Eastern Cape. It's an ANC smoke-screen to divert attention away from the real problems.

  • rajeshsood - 2012-04-08 20:37

    Zille's words hurt, the truth often does. Why do people in the Eastern Cape Vote ANC and then rush to the Western Cape for Schooling and Health Care. No one should be a refugee in ones own country. Most people in SA vote along race lines and as long as they continue to do so they will vote into govt a party that has failed to deliver repeatedly. I suppose most ANC supporters will never admit this openly by voting for someone else, they do so on the sly by rushing to DA land as needed.

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-04-09 09:47

      Absolutely correct.

  • Hermann - 2012-04-08 20:40

    What is the big deal these education refugees will still go vote ANC.

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-04-09 09:48

      not if they get a good education

  • Amanda - 2012-04-08 20:44

    Furthermore people who flock to the Western Cape know for a fact that we have a better life here whether it is for a better education or for a better life. Ask the people who have moved here???? Therein will lie the true answer.

  • Kobus - 2012-04-08 20:45

    Haha, watch her loose a lot of the Afrikaans voters also comes the next election. She got way to big for her shoes!

      sachasea - 2012-04-08 21:44

      Who would the Afrikaners support if they leave the DA? An insignificant fringe party with no real power like the Freedom Front Plus? I doubt the DA will lose many of their existing members, but I accept that they could make it harder for themselves to attract new support from black voters. Zille should apologise in the face of public condemnation for her words. If they offend a segment a society then that is the right thing to do. Shame that the ANC seems unable to live up to that expectation.

      Mike Purchase - 2012-04-08 21:44

      so who is the afrikaaner going to vote for windmills.

      Blip - 2012-04-09 02:17

      The "Afrikaans" voters? What about the golf-playing voters? The scarf-knitting voters? The tripe-eating voters? What on earth makes the "Afrikaans-speaking voters" (and presumably only the white skinned minority among them) so extra special? News update -- they're not.

      Glyn - 2012-04-09 10:58

      @Kobus - Don't be a fool boy!

  • Londi - 2012-04-08 20:51

    Finally the skeletons and secrets are out, Helen. Most people in my circles have started to think of voting days as public holidays. Thanks to the current politicians. The ANC has a leadership crisis; with current leaders noticeably uninspiring. The ANC's current votes exist mostly by sentiment and love of what the party *stood* for. Their (ANC) future, as things stand, rely more on hope than on confidence. Tha DA on the other hand: is too white, appeals to the middle class and oblivious to the fact that 'hard-core' poverty exist. As for other political parties... (sigh) - So I guess voting day = holiday.

      Blip - 2012-04-09 02:32

      2/3 of the DA memebership is black. That's "too white", is it?

      lindaawhelan - 2012-04-09 08:21

      @ Blip 23% black support is far too low in an African country. Londi is right - there are many who have lost faith in the ANC but can't see a viable alternative. My feeling is that the ANC will continue the corruption and mismanagement because they rely on being voted in for emotional reasons. They have no incentive to deliver. The DA, on the other hand, would have to work very hard to maintain the faith of the electorate if they won the election. On that basis they would get my vote. Then after four years, if there wasn't any improvement, the ANC could come back, suitably chastened and ready to start thinking of the people above themselves.

      sachasea - 2012-04-09 12:27

      Lindiwe 2/3 = 66.67%

      andile.langa3 - 2012-04-09 18:18

      @blip where did u dig those stats.up so @ss maybe?

  • celeste.rsa - 2012-04-08 20:52

    Under fire??? I'd hardly call that under fire.

  • Lungile Rlm - 2012-04-08 21:14

    De driving motive behind her statemnts is de fact dat more ANC loyal members ar flocking in2 de W-cape nd C-town,so dis means whn election tym comes ANC wil stand a good chance of conquering de elections.....Unless she said it intentionaly cos sum ppl remain in der closets while der nt in power bt once dey gain power dey come out 4rm der closets....

      Adil Smit - 2012-04-08 23:11

      Lungile, why are so many from the E Cape coming to the W Cape?

      Blip - 2012-04-09 02:42

      Because the competent DA can do what the incompetent ANC cannot... Govern.

      Brett - 2012-04-09 21:43

      Eish wher deed yu lern de eengleesh een de istern kape skool?

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-04-08 21:29

    stuff them all hellen at least you manage the best place in the world,give it to you know who and they will stuff the mountain up too.go for it.

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-04-09 10:07

      If it walks like a fool, looks like a fool, talks like a fool, then it is an ignorant racist, still blaming the 22 year DEAD aphartheid govt. NB if the government of the day, who hold a massive majority, still feel threatened by a small majority, and still enforce processes such as BEE and affirmative action,then it must be assumed that their wealth making systems have (and still are) failed. This leaves them with no alternative but to remove from the have's and give to the have-nots. regards

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-04-08 21:33

    if you are a goat give milk,if you are a snake crawl,if you cant run a country give it to someone who can.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-04-08 21:40

    its got nothing to do with race it has to do with brains,how you see the world,how you eat,sleep,walk,talk,swim,look,drive,attitude,culture,culture,culture,enough said.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-04-08 21:42

    afrikaaners plz boet who gave the country away.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-04-08 21:47

    well said riaan

  • Ditantane - 2012-04-08 22:02

    things are becoming interesting

      Thandekile Pokolo - 2012-04-09 08:06

      he is not anc member i agree with u brother emmanuel

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-04-08 22:16

    I suppose the ability to dance is high on the list of requirements for a president? I guess Zuma qualifies then ...

      Blip - 2012-04-09 02:45

      He jumps about flabbily and falls flat on his behind. Not good.

  • mmuso.mathobela - 2012-04-08 22:23

    ...sad that this "storm in a tea cup" has come to this, despite HZ having clarified numerous times what she meant (and the ANC bufoons not responding to the underlying point she's making)...oh well, perhaps an apology then, just for the sake of playing politics...

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-04-09 10:10

      No Mmuso - she must stand her ground. The ANC puppets resent the implication not the terminology. The schools in the EC ARE pathetic, and the truth hurts.

  • Cosment - 2012-04-08 23:02

    I am an ANC member but I really really really really do not see anything wrong with the use of the word refugee I truly think it fitted very well in her statement, it is shameful to see that the message she was trying to deliver didn't make it to considerations because of the use of that word. And nothing will b done concerning the issues in the eastern cape because of accusation against zille,

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-04-09 07:56

      @ Cosment..At least there are a few intelligent Anc members..and Vhulie you are the idiot..this young lady is educated therefor has a sense of reasoning....she knows she can belong to any party....but still has the right to disagree with an issue if it doesn't sound right.....this is called being a democrate.

      robert.m.sylvester - 2012-04-09 10:12

      @Vhulie Who on earth would want to SPY on the ANC??????????/ Whatever for????????

  • Kaven - 2012-04-09 00:12

    I am completely baffled by the fact that so many people have the memory span of a goldfish. Anyone remember our dear ANCYL, the perfect example of continuous public out-burst of racism. He even made a dame song and only after so much problem he has given, his FINALLY suspended. Now we talking about \A\ word that Zille said with or without intentions to offend and she's getting banged in the head. Now all hell is being brought to her because she is supposedly racist. I guess all words spoken by a non-black person significant only when its racist. As most people have already pointed out, Zille was against the apartheid times. Please open your dame eyes. If its open already then use your uneducated head and get some sense into yourself. Your leaders are clearly potentely brain-washing you whereas robbing you from your money is much less important than few hurtful words. I clearly forgot, TAXIs don't need to pay e-toll! I'm younger than most people reading this but even I can see that our current leaders are very very competent leaders and I'm saying it with a note of sarcasm.

  • Kaven - 2012-04-09 00:29

    I am completely baffled by the fact that so many people have the memory span of a goldfish. Anyone remember our dear ANCYL, the perfect example of continuous public out-burst of racism. He even made a dame song and only after so much problem he has given, his FINALLY suspended. Now we talking about \A\ word that Zille said with or without intentions to offend and she's getting banged in the head. Now all hell is being brought to her because she is supposedly racist. I guess all words spoken by a non-black person significant only when its racist. As most people have already pointed out, Zille was against the apartheid times. Please open your dame eyes. If its open already then use your uneducated head and get some sense into yourself. Your leaders are clearly potentely brain-washing you whereas robbing you from your money is much less important than few hurtful words. I clearly forgot, TAXIs don't need to pay e-toll! I'm younger than most people reading this but even I can see that our current leaders are very very competent leaders and I'm saying it with a note of sarcasm.

      Greg Gow - 2012-04-09 01:16

      She needs to understand that whatever she says must be checked. The people that receive these comments on the other side of the political spectrum don't have the ability to deal with them in an educated way. Rather shut up HZ.

      Blip - 2012-04-09 02:47

      Tell it like it is.

  • Coetzee - 2012-04-09 01:34

    Anything Zille says will get torn to pieces by the ANC and their co-conspirators to get the "right" spin on it.... because its usually true. Simphiwe, do yourself a favor and go do survey in the Western Cape Public Hospitals and come tell us how many of the people receiving healthcare in the WC actually live and/or work there. Now fleeing your own home to get access to basic human 'rights' (healthcare, schooling etc) when life there is barely tolerable sounds awfully lot like what refugees does. Now aint it? Furthermore I completely agree with the implication that the eastern cape is like a war torn country thats ran by thugs and criminals. Just look at all the corruption and mismanagement going on there, and how come things are seemingly better in the WC when everyone gets the same percentage funding from central goverment....?

      Thandekile Pokolo - 2012-04-09 10:29

      i agree with u mthuthuzeli my brother esasifebe sebulu

      hein.huyser - 2012-04-09 13:50

      Like the toilet saga? poop in the cANcer faces.

  • Blip - 2012-04-09 02:05

    Well, they ARE educational refugees. Plain honest speaking.

  • maritza.meyer - 2012-04-09 06:50

    If you think about it... she's kind of right... People are moving to cape town for better service, education etc etc because the party in control in their province isn't doing a good job and forcing them to pay rediculous tolls.

  • lorraine.v.zyl - 2012-04-09 07:30

    I must say that I just do not understand what all of the "hoo ha" is about.Helen Zille has the people at heart-she always has and always will.I challenge any leader of any other party to show the same commitment towards their party as we have seen in Helen Zille..and the results are there to prove it..in the Western Cape.She was merely bringing to light and trying to bring about awareness of learners(our future leaders)-who are anxious to learn and who flee to other provinces in the country to achieve an education(which is their basic human right..but this is clearly not being afforded to them in their provinces.When a person flees from their country to seek a better life in another country(because their country has failed them dismally - and they are not able to find employment which is also their human right)- they are called refugees.When a student flees from their province to another to achieve their basic right of an education-Helen Zille "dared" to call them "education refugees"..what should she have called them that would have been "politically acceptable" to the nit-pickers out there who watch her every move..would "education deserters" have been more appropriate?Of course people are free to go anywhere within South Africa for an education..but why are these provinces failing to provide that basic human right to their students..and should they "desert" to another province..do the "nit-pickers"(our government)have the infra-structures in place to educate them anywhere?

      andile.langa3 - 2012-04-09 18:35

      comrade Zuma should scrap provinces and then we will see if bondlebe z'khanyilanga will still a province to run.

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-04-09 07:45

    I don't think alot of people are aware of Helens credentials , she was part of the struggle member of the black sash and if i am not mistaken an ANC member , most people criticising Helen were not part of the struggle or were too young , so before calling her a racist etc do your homework and find out more she does not shout it from the rooftops her part in the struggle

      sikelelaq - 2012-04-09 09:16

      Michael it doesn't matter who was or who was not..The fact that she was there doesn't give her the right to say all those things..If credenetials were being taken into account that'll mean that you'd hv to accept any childish comments made by any political members!So you make no sense to me

      Michael - 2012-04-09 11:28

      Some people label helen a racist and a hater of black people and i just wanted to point out that she fought for equal rights in the old south africa and if she was a racist she would not have done this , simple

  • kupido.baron - 2012-04-09 08:22

    I am deeply concerned that in the introduction of this article, City Press decided to use "people who move to her province in search of a better education as 'refugees'. Helen Zille and the DA don't own the Western Cape, it is therefore not logical to say "her province". That province belongs to the people of South Africa and City Press and Helen Zille should say sorry to all South Africans for making such hurtful statements.

      sikelelaq - 2012-04-09 09:13

      I agree w/ u but I think it safe to assume that they own it since they are the ruling party over there..

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-04-09 08:51

    Remember white people also head to the western cape because of the good schools and universities so it cant be classified as racist and i she was using it as a figure of speech to highlight the problems in the eastern cape which have been conveniently overlooked and the comment has been highlighted instead of the ANC inability to govern the eastern cape

      Tsebo - 2012-04-09 09:07

      Guess figure of speech didnt exist when malema said \we are prepared to take arms and kill\ for zuma.

      sikelelaq - 2012-04-09 09:09

      How can you be sooooo defensive about the whole issue...I mean the bravest D.A members managed to see that she(H.Z) was wrong in her statement and you as a supporter(i'm sure you are) cannot stand up and correct your Pathetic Lady President when she is wrong..How wrong does she need to be??We ddn't talk about her and being racist we talked about her and being inconsiderate and her lack of words usage..Don't be a stupid supporter man!!!Nx!..We don't need people like you in this country..We need fairness!

  • Tsebo - 2012-04-09 09:02

    Wrong interpretation my foot! What if i say \we r prepared to take arms and kill 4 malema\

  • Shaun - 2012-04-09 09:22

    YOu should watch your mouth missy zille, if you want "black support" you can't call people "refugees", from other provinces, try using milder words like. "I want to address the problem, then you should get more support". The "war" in South Africa ended in 1994, we all South Africans now! - Cheers

  • flinkjon - 2012-04-09 09:35

    Whether you support Zille or not for using the refugee term.It is time to rethink and come from the stench.You really never whole heartily analysed the condition.Point scoring with the emotions of ignorant people. From an honorable political view and not this racist drivel these people should be settled in a righteous way.The ANC as government must engage Zille on the situation and apply principle and not use the people as voting fodder.Further I note where ever you go in S.A it is only blacks that is suppose to be South Africans.And if this matter is addressed they seek apology.Even where coloreds stay as indigenous people they must make way for the honorable blacks even with their livelihood.TALKING ABOUT APARTHEID,RACISM.Why do the government not break and share the account per head from these NOMADIC people. I HOPE YOU READ THE RIGHT WORD HERE ZILLE!!! Keeping in mind the majority of our people are already cash strapped and this bring about the uncalled query.Everyone scramble for little resources and become offended for exclusion.We have past apartheid and everyone must contribute equally.Is government prepared to release more funds to service the resourcefulness of these PEOPLE.?????

  • robert.m.sylvester - 2012-04-09 09:42

    These folks are "educational" refugees. That is exactly what they are. They will be assets to the WP as they are clever enough to realise, that the pathetic "offering" of schooling in the EP is well below par, and are determined enough to do something about it. Vote with your feet VIVA

  • Johnnie - 2012-04-09 09:49

    Let the Eastern Cape ANC give back the money they got (for the education of those children) fom the National Government, to the Western Cape. Those children are all a big financial drag on the Western Cape Provincial Government and the taxpayers. Once the ANC does that they have something to squeel about - otherwise keep dead quiet, you have nothing to moan about and you should be thankful.

  • paulmandlankosi - 2012-04-09 09:52

    She has lost my support since that day she tweeted that stupid comment

  • bernard.haasbroek - 2012-04-09 10:24

    The stark difference in this article compared to those where ANC officials use offensive language is the discussion of communication within the party, and the unified front the party presents. Her own party isn't openly criticising her intention, and furthermore there is communication within the party. As far as her choice of words go, they were fitting, the individuals she is referring to are seeking economic and educational asylum in another province.

  • thabane.dladla - 2012-04-09 10:40

    Thank you Mbally!If she(Zille) doesn't apologize ,she must forget about black people's vote, furthermore it is not all of us who sees the word called \Refugees\as no-discrimination word. Oh please we knw the meaning of the word !!!!!

  • Shirley - 2012-04-09 11:28

    People need to grow up!!! Rather look at why she used the terminology in the first place! This is just being used as an attack platform by opposition. Get over yourselves and fix the problems causing the "refugees".

  • Morne - 2012-04-09 12:12

    HZ did not aim the word on "Refugee's" at a certain ethnic group! What HZ is actually saying is that education systems in other provinces(EC,MP,NC)are not able to function properly,Example,in the EC about 60000 students could not enroll for their 1st year, in all the University in the Eastern Cape, so where should these students go!?, obviously to another province. Its a burden for many students to go and study in another province, due to the cost to study increases quite much and im sure that many students would prefer to study in their region, close at home.HZ using the refugee word are probably out of sentence, as there are many other words that she could of used to describe these students that has to transfer.

      thabane.dladla - 2012-04-09 13:01

      @Iso please !!now I can read HZ's mind now???she meant something about that word.

  • Manu - 2012-04-09 12:24

    If you were to take an African politician to the West they would never win a political contest. Firstly because the voters there are more astute and secondly they don't tolerate intemperate language from their polticians. To win you have to be clean cut. African politicians will do what they want to do, act as they want to act and say want to say with zero consideration of what the masses might think. Unfortunately for the masses there is isn't much to choose from. But we are to blame because we don't hold our politicians to a higher standard. The story here is a good case in point. The manner in which a message is delivered is just as important as the message. If a person wants me to buy into an idea then it's important that they get me to emotionally invest in the idea. We all know this is true because we are all ego driven. Marketers know this, conmen known this ... but someone forgot to tell our politicians about this. So when a voter says "HZ don't apologise to them they are refugees, just as you said" one has to wonder exactly what kind of politician the voter is trying to mould? What is the standard? Politicians are salesmen of social ideals. When a politician pitches a sale and offends in the same breath, but still makes the sale, what does that say about the quality of politics of the society? IMO not much. BTW this applies to all African politicians and is not specific to HZ.

  • Thefat - 2012-04-09 13:51

    Under Rasool hundreds upon hundreds of unemployed ANC supporters were DUMPED in the Western Cape to squat and to get the vote. They were nothing more than Refugees! People are seeking education and work in the Western Cape because elsewhere EVERYTHING rots under the ANC! Education, Health (hospitals) The Railways (poor falling-apart Railways and Railway Tracks), The SAA (Bancrupt) Escom (The Lord of Darkness) and mos of all, our POLICE and also the Submarines rusting away in Simonstown.) The list is endless! VOTE FOR THE CAPE REPUBIC NOW to be free from corruption and decay and PLEASE SEND THE REFUGEES BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM - WE DONT WANT MORE OF THESE ANC ROT in our province!

      ncbobie - 2012-04-11 23:04

      ure very racist and prejudice and ure not even a true african to even have the nerve to call our ancestors land ur province, we never had provinces before u peole came, conquered, drew boarders and seggregated us both demographically and racially. u talk as if these things were not there during apartheid. now u r using the media to discredit a workin government how dare u

  • umkhwetha - 2012-04-09 15:17

    An apopogy that is forced is meaningless . It has to come from the heart . The same blacks who were offended by the open toilet saga in Khayelitsha , were silent when it came up that the same had open toilets in the free-state also . It seems that people look at who is speaking first , before they take offence . If it's the DA , they get very angry and if it's the ANC they mumble.

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2012-04-09 16:02

    I can't understand the fuss. Pretty much the truth - I guess the truth hurts.

  • chantalchamaine - 2012-04-09 16:13

    The DA will slowly die, dont have to force them. Lets see our own comrades within the DA revolt against she hitler!

  • leemalin.moodley - 2012-04-09 16:56

    what part of Refugees of a failed education system, dont people understand. Refugee has nothing to do with race!! you cant argue with facts. look at the number of schools the DA has built and renovated in the Western Cape, and compare that to that to the Eastern Cape. The government has failed everyone in the Eastern Cape, especially those who want an education!