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DA to lay charges after protest violence

2012-05-16 08:18

Johannesburg - The DA plans to lay charges against Cosatu after its march in Johannesburg on Tuesday turned violent.

Several DA supporters were injured when rocks and pieces of cement were thrown at them, and police used teargas and water cannons to disperse Cosatu members who had stopped DA members from protesting over the government's youth wage subsidy outside Cosatu's headquarters, according to reports.

DA leader Helen Zille said the violence was "absolutely deplorable".

"I think we were on Jorissen (Street) when I saw the first rock hailing down on us, huge rocks came at us. It was completely uncalled for. We were peaceful, and when Cosatu threw rock at us, we told our supporters not to retaliate.”

Zille slammed Cosatu for being "very selective" about constitutional rights, saying it would not tolerate anybody else doing what it claims it has the right to do every day.

"We will definitely lay charges, and continue to protest as we see fit, and not as Cosatu sees fit. We had the legal march. They had the illegal march," Zille told the Cape Argus.

Meanwhile, Cosatu has defended the hostility displayed by some of its members during the DA march.

"DA policies... will create no new jobs... and [will] lead to the impoverishment and enslavement of workers and [an] economic meltdown for South Africa," spokesperson Patrick Craven said in a statement.

"That is why workers are so hostile towards [DA leader] Helen Zille's party and want to express their justified anger, most especially when there are confronted on the street outside their federation's head office," he said.

Comments
  • Lorain - 2012-05-16 08:21

    And so they should,what happened yesterday was disgusting to say the least and for Vavi to say it was justified is very concerning.

      Ruan - 2012-05-16 08:27

      What i would like to know is, why does a march always tend to turn violent? and who brain washed the illiterate into thinking that by breaking and burng things down, you will get more in return????? It just doesnt make sense?

      Gary - 2012-05-16 08:37

      Ruan, you are of course assuming that there is a brain to wash... therein may be the answer to your question!

      Peter - 2012-05-16 08:39

      @Poloyatonki - Your an idiot if you are going to compare the two incidents. An apple is not an orange idiot. Cosatu is the only one at fault take your bias uneducated double standard views and shove them

      Ruan - 2012-05-16 08:40

      Poloyatonki, i appreciate the argument, but its not the first time this has happened, its been going on for years, im not even referring to politics, everytime there is some form of gathering for something there is distruction!

      mariuskowie - 2012-05-16 08:41

      @Poloyadonky How on earth do you want Zille to be held accountable for Cosato's actions. That is like holding the Jews responsible for Hitler's actions.

      spartanx93 - 2012-05-16 08:44

      Vavi amazes me! One day he speaks total logic, and the next he is thinking like an ANC cadre.

      npretorius2 - 2012-05-16 08:48

      @Poloyatonki, and what did the 'Protesters' in England and the Cosatu illiterates have in common?? Think about it... (And I can assure you it is not hoodies)

      Eddy - 2012-05-16 08:49

      "We had the legal march. They had the illegal march," Zille told the Cape Argus. .... The tripartite alliance do not know what legal means. Helen please let them know by suing the pants off of them. They fear the DA that is why they resort to violence.

      Lorain - 2012-05-16 08:49

      @ spartanx93 You took the word right out of my mouth, i dont know what to make of him anymore. One moment he is fighting for the workers'rights and he goes in guns blazing and makes total sense,then the next moment he acts like he has no sense at all. What they should have done was to meet up with the DA let the DA put their proposals forward,Cosatu then would raise their concerns regarding the proposal and eventually they would have come up with a plan that works.

      Deon - 2012-05-16 08:58

      Poly over a thousand was jailed in England after those riots. It should happen here also (jail the illegal marchers).

      Paul - 2012-05-16 09:01

      Well the truth is Cosatu gathered ILLEGALLY and should be punished accordingly (chances of that happening ZERO).. Vavi is only in it for the money.. wonder if he would give up R450,000pa of his R500,000pa salary to live like his members?? Certainly the height of irony.. Didn't Mandela say "if we are to rid ourselves of POVERTY we need to stop living in OPULENCE"??

      Rob - 2012-05-16 09:02

      Poloyatonki. They certainly did get the attention. Most have been identified charged and punished. Consider also what you saw, looting and destruction coordinated by criminals. I fail to see how you can idolise such actions. They bear no resemblance to yesterday's circumstances except the mob mentality. Let us hope, even if it is asking a lot, that the SA criminal and justice systems deal as effectively with yesterday's criminals, including anyone who incited them. Yes

      NrGx - 2012-05-16 09:13

      Following this disgusting display of violence, the deafining silence from the president, leads one to believe in the following. There is no respect for the law The bill of rights is ignored, unless it benefits only the elite Democracy is DEAD in Sa, in fact it never existed

      Poloyatonki - 2012-05-16 09:25

      @new24....Why remove my comment?

      Keith - 2012-05-16 09:26

      @poly cause you are a plonker

      Poloyatonki - 2012-05-16 09:43

      Keith thats stupid..

      Gerald - 2012-05-16 10:04

      Polio Donkey Keith is not stupid you are

      Keith - 2012-05-16 10:16

      @Poly Thumbs up vs Thumbs down suggests I am right. If you weren't a troll I might take you seriously

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-16 10:17

      @spartanx93 " Vavi amazes me! One day he speaks total logic, and the next he is thinking like an ANC cadre. " By Vavi speaks total logic you mean speaking against the ANC I assume , well logic is a double-edged sword which cuts both ways

      Psalm - 2012-05-16 10:45

      @ Lorain, I'm gonna take a more nuanced (and probably more realistic) approach on this. DA can lay criminal charges. COSATU will also be able to lay criminal charges (as there are reports that DA members threw rocks too). The reality here is that the DA acted stupidly. Even in First World states, there is no absolute right to march (especially on non-government entities). Furthermore, civilised states often BAN legitimate protests where they are deemed unnecessarily provocative, etc, due to the possiblity of violence. DA has no absolute right to march on COSATU offices and cannot force COSATU to entertain its memorandum. COSATU made it CLEAR that it would NOT accept the DA's memorandum. As authorities allowed the DA to march on COSATU, they also should have permitted COSATU to counter-protest. Again, most civilised states would permit a counter protest. Furthermore, no sane political party would stubbornly insist on marching to the doors of a non-governmental office and stubbornly insist that the organization accept its memo (when it has NO OBLIGATION to accept the memo). The DA could have held a protest far away from COSATU's offices. This was a stupid publicity stunt by the DA and it was always going to end badly. COSATU was wrong to react violently. Still, following examples of places like UK, Germany, etc - DA should have marched ELSEWHERE or been PREVENTED from marching on COSATU. Political stupidity needs to be outlawed.

      Gerald - 2012-05-16 10:48

      @ Keith, thumps up or thumos down merely suggest reflect the mindset of those that read your comments, does not reflect on whether you are right or wrong, as for poloyatonki, his response to you was right, I also found your comment calling him a plonker quite stupid. This you further demonstrated with the comment about the thumps...that also shows you seek the approval of your fellow bloggers here. Remember, the mob can be more stupid than one person, take care to be an independent thinker

      Jack - 2012-05-16 10:55

      and when it gets thrown out of court for lack of evidence, will you respect the judiciary or cry foul? Go ahead - I hope the judge makes the DA pay Cosatu's legal costs!

      Alan - 2012-05-16 10:56

      Eish Jackblack ... You must be candidate for Troll of the Week!

      Keith - 2012-05-16 11:54

      @Gerald, thanks so much for your input it made me feel so much better today. Luckily you entitled to your opinion, unlike yourself I made my comment based on months of nonfactual, biased and racist comments from old Poly who holds the record for posts being deleted in this forum. In our beautiful democratic country the majority rules and they voted in my favour. What is the mindset of people on this forum? what are you implying please answer so I can validate my suspicions.

      Denise - 2012-05-16 14:10

      @PSALM - What the DA attempted was to march to the viper’s den(Cosatu House) and protest, not about the Troika gang’s extortion, but because they are not delivering the protection they promised. The DA thought that with this gang they could play it by the rules and play nicely. After all the Rule Book (SA Constitution) states in section 17… Everyone has the right, peacefully and unarmed, to assemble, to demonstrate, to picket and to present petitions. And that is what the DA did. They got permission for their march and arrived unarmed and demonstrated peacefully on their march to the Cosatu offices. Cosatu, did not have permission and did not play by the rules. They arrived armed with stones and bottles to intimidate and scare the DA. Not just illegal, but totally unconstitutional of course. Understandably, the DA got their a*ses kicked… or did they? The DA are amateurs when it comes to mass action and protests. Cosatu are the experts and have organized hundreds of thousands of people before and brought cities like JHB and PTA to a complete standstill. In the first round the DA backed off… it is going to be interesting to see who backs off in the next round. Personally I love the arrogance of the Troika. They think numbers matter. Maybe they should study how mass action can be your downfall. Over-confidence in numbers might still be their weakness. Ask the French who outnumbered the British at Agincourt. Ask the Zulus who outnumbered the Voortrekkers at Blood River.

  • Peter - 2012-05-16 08:22

    Go get em Zille, these clowns need to learn a lesson. Barbarians belong in the past. Stone throwing is archaic and unjustified. Lets see if our judicial system can stand up and protect the rights of the SA Citizens

      Rob - 2012-05-16 08:25

      What do you think would happen if Zille was killed with one of those rocks?

      mariuskowie - 2012-05-16 08:27

      @Rob. I think the ANC will throw the biggest party you have ever seen.

      Peter - 2012-05-16 08:33

      @Rob - I cant speak for anyone else but I would pack up and leave this country immediately. If a party leader gets killed trying to create more jobs and demonstrating their rights as SA Citizens then we are on the fast track to becoming another Dictatorship, another Zim.

      Gary - 2012-05-16 08:38

      Sorry to break the news to you Peter, but I fear we are on that fast track already!

      Peter - 2012-05-16 08:41

      @Gary - Im trying to stay optimistic, its probably a stupid thing to do I know but this is my home and I will fight for it

      Peter - 2012-05-16 08:43

      @Mzi - Why bring race into it? The country majority is black so of course there were black protesters with the white protesters. So if any of the protesters were killed it would have the same affect. He said zille because she is the leader. Without a leader you dont have a party

      Gary - 2012-05-16 08:50

      I hear you Peter. I made the decision in the 90's to stay because this is my home and I was optimistic. Boy, if I could turn the clock back now!! But we are stuck here, so all we can do is hope for a miracle.

      Rob - 2012-05-16 08:51

      Thanks Peter someone with common sense. Dont let Lorain see this post!!!

      Rob - 2012-05-16 09:15

      @Gladstone. Read Gary,s article properly then maybe you will understand with a little help that he wasn,t calling you a boy. I really dont mind being called BOY because I am one.

      Gary - 2012-05-16 09:26

      Eish Gladstone! Boy is an expression that .. oh what the hell, wasting my time!

      Peter - 2012-05-16 09:29

      @Gladstone - Im pretty sure gary's comment was directed to myself or the others that commented to my original comment. I may be wrong of course. Anyway its an expression and im 23 so im pretty much still a boy/young man anyway. No need to get hostile

      Penny - 2012-05-16 10:14

      @Gladstone - never heard the comment "Oh Boy"? Same like "Eish". Sometimes spelt "oboyoboyoboy" - usually expressed when happy or, alternatively, being caught doing something one shouldn't be doing!!

      balan.morgen - 2012-05-16 14:10

      @Poloyatonkiyoudonkey, someone must hit you with a ndoogu on your head then you will open your brains into thinking proactively

      Modula - 2012-05-16 14:33

      first of all the youth wage subsidy wont benefit anyone but the the companies it subsidizes! One should not be paid to hire. instead proper practical courses should be implemented such as learner-ships, internships and mentorship. When ANC and other political structures strike against the DA they are seen as being vile.. Why didnt the DA's comment about black students in CPT see as much media coverage as this? You cant be against students using educational institutions in your city, then say we support them in getting jobs, but wait government should pay for it.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-17 23:00

      Modula, please read the comments on the article about creating opportunities for learning in the army. Read what your fellow countrymen think of being trained without a future job. Learn!

  • Herman - 2012-05-16 08:25

    If cosatu justifies the stone throwing, they justify any types of violent crime, including murder.

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-16 09:08

      NO

      lmadikwe - 2012-05-16 09:43

      I'm shocked at Cosatu's response to such violent behaviour.

      Konstabel - 2012-05-16 10:42

      Cosatu already has lots blood on it's hands as it has facilitated violence on many occassions through organized intimidation during strikes. It is really disgusting when a union resorts to violence and initimidation to force it's agenda.

      Alan - 2012-05-16 10:57

      Away Vanish Naidoo .. Vanish !!! (Tsotsi Baby) .. go back to NZ .. oh oops - they dont want you!

  • jomardl - 2012-05-16 08:26

    cra·ven/'krav?n/ Adjective: Contemptibly lacking in courage; cowardly.

      Ray - 2012-05-16 08:49

      Omni-I agree-he is a gutless bast**d.I am also a Pom and am ashamed to be in the same group as him[I assume he is a Pom because of his accent].He is typical of the people who tried to bring the UK to its knees till Maggie Thatcher took them on.He probably couldn't make it in the UK.

      Jeffrey - 2012-05-16 10:11

      Yeah Omnivore, I've often wondered if P. Craven came over here to stir with his communist cr@p because Thatcher put an end to the unions' rubbish in the UK. He's a total waste of oxygen.

      Ken - 2012-05-16 17:41

      @Ray Yes he was one of the filthy bastards that Maggie broke. He couldn't make his commie ideas work in UK and so slipped into this country to cause problems. A bullet is too good for this piece of sh*t.

  • jomardl - 2012-05-16 08:29

    [Cosatu] does not tolerate anybody else doing what it claims it has the right to do every day. Yes, this sums up not just Cosatu most other ANC affiliates as well. A monopoly on democracy is not democracy at all.

  • Danz666 - 2012-05-16 08:30

    i am deeply desturbed by the conduct of cosatu members and its leaders, does this imply that only ANC and its alliance partners have a right to strike and voice their grieviences in SA? then they are certain members who go on to play a race card? calling Hellen a Racist.No wonder the goverment is failing to deliver, they know they will say its bcos of apartheid. i am Black South African and i am deeply sad, angry and furious to see such things happening.

  • Ngaka - 2012-05-16 08:31

    That's more like the DA. I knew this is where it was headed to. COURT POLITICS.

      Christopher - 2012-05-16 08:37

      civilization!

      Tony Lapson - 2012-05-16 08:39

      Yea, just like you would in a civilized country .

      lydonmcg - 2012-05-16 08:42

      Yes, like civilised human beings. Not rock politics like uncivilised idiots.

      Peter - 2012-05-16 08:48

      You spelt court wrong its... DEMOCRATIC POLITICS

      jomardl - 2012-05-16 08:50

      As opposed to burning tyres (and each other) in the street politics?

      Ngaka - 2012-05-16 08:54

      Maybe let me rephrase....CHEAP POLITICS!!....Zille knew very well that this march would amount to violent reaction...Cosatu is not in government,ANC is...

      Christopher - 2012-05-16 09:15

      @Gaepettyperson....Go buy your cheap old brown and have another swig, and when that's done move on to doing your glue bit.

      Penny - 2012-05-16 10:26

      @GaePhetwane - are you clairvoyant? Claiming to be able to read Helen Zille's mind? I doubt very much that she had any idea that these hooligans would act in the manner they did or she would not have gone ahead and held the march. Can people like you not get it into their thick skulls that she's wanting to change Cosatu's determination to hang on to jobs for their union members, that delivering a petition to Cosatu's HQ does not equate to running riot through their "citadel" and that attacking peaceful DA supporters with tazers, rocks and bricks cannot, in any manner, constitute democratic behavior.

      Raymond - 2012-05-16 10:27

      GayWetOne, cosatu runs this country, without a doubt. The anc bends to cosatu because without cosatu's false promises, the support would diminish, thus ending there dominance on the political front. It's all about power and nothing to do with the welfare of the poor.

      Ad - 2012-05-16 13:08

      What did you expect?..DA to sink to your and ANC's level?

  • Christopher - 2012-05-16 08:31

    A bit one sided story News 24?? Patrick Craven...Who? We will kick you over the rugby poles you idiot! Time to mobilize and start doing what they are doing to us. And we are one up better, as we have the brains!

      Eye's Que - 2012-05-16 16:09

      Mr Craven, did you come to S.A. to be recognised because in Pomland you were a nothing? You are really like a fish out of water here, especially in Cosatu. Stop throwing stones at the Opposition, and 'cover your back' Mister, Cosatu prefer Blacks to Whites, unlike the D.A. who are even prepared to march for them!!! Makes one think, doesn't Mr Craven?

  • mxolisi.nxele - 2012-05-16 08:31

    Mr. Craven, if 'DA policies will not create any jobs' they should be hurled stones at? So much of a leader you are. Luckily for you violence is creating more health and emergency services jobs, right? So that the NHI can be justified, very intuitive

  • Jean - 2012-05-16 08:33

    Exactly, and what's the argument of cosatu, they also have the right to march but the difference is cosatu had an illegal march so they are responsible for the violence! I would say I'm pointing out the obvious but apparently that is not the case since stupidity is on the rise amongst anc and cosatu animals.

  • Dianne - 2012-05-16 08:33

    If the ANC, COSATU, etc can march and protest why no the DA? We are repeatedly reminded SA is a DEMOCRACY! You go Helen!

  • Marina - 2012-05-16 08:33

    African Democracy = One Stone, One Vote

      Ngaka - 2012-05-16 08:44

      I suspect,you don't know what you are talking about.Care to elaborate?

      jomardl - 2012-05-16 08:53

      @GaePhetwane - Not defending Marina's statement - it is a generic insult to all Africans BUT you yourself appear to be contemptuous of so call "court politics".

      Piet - 2012-05-16 08:56

      @ GaePhetwane Brain un used....Or emty

      Alan - 2012-05-16 10:58

      nah Marina - the anc buys votes with mealie meal bags @ election time.

  • Jenipher - 2012-05-16 08:34

    COSATU - YOU SUCK! VAVI YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR HEAD READ. VIOLENCE IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE!

  • Warwick Bristow - 2012-05-16 08:35

    The stone throwers from both sides must be identified and charged. Can this country not move up from this Neanderthal behavior.

      Kian - 2012-05-16 10:19

      what did the Neanderthals do wrong?

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-05-16 15:30

      @Kian, Good question. We are in the 21st Century, not the Neanderthals.

  • Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-05-16 08:37

    Heard Vavi on SAFM this morning lying to the nation. He said the youth wage subsidy policy was initiated by the private sector in order for them to exploit the tax breaks they are set to get from it. C'mon Mr Vavi, it was an ANC/Government initiative, and money was set aside for it in 2009 already. A certain Mr Gordham was quoted saying that he was losing patience with the stalling in implementing this policy.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-16 09:31

      Spot on! The youth are sitting earning NOTHING when they could be working, gaining experience and earning SOMETHING. What has COSATU done as an alternative? NOTHING!

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 10:08

      Dude, you seriously need to go into politics...You will have my vote.

      Raymond - 2012-05-16 10:30

      Gordhan will do NOTHING! He knows full well the benefits, resulting in economy growth which in turn will amount to more jobs. cosatu knows this too but remember, there is an elective conference looming........

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-05-16 15:32

      "Mr Gordham was quoted saying that he was losing patience with the stalling in implementing this policy". This will be a 1st. Stalling????? They do it all the time.

  • Jacobus - 2012-05-16 08:38

    Justified? Justified! If it is justified to throw stones at a legitimate march then we can throw stones at Cosatu's next march... We will rally 1000 members all with a pack of 10 bricks and we will start throwing back.

      christian.denyschen - 2012-05-16 09:52

      Presies wat ek ook gedink het volgende keer as die bliksems n garage toe staan en ek kan nie diesel in gooi nie moet hulle weet da gaan n paar klippe na hulle kant toe kom die moerskonte moet weet hulle is nie welkom in my dorp nie en dis die gevol van meenigte mense van alle rasse.

  • attie.snyders - 2012-05-16 08:40

    Vavi if these were workers why were they not at work?....

  • Charl - 2012-05-16 08:41

    un educated ppl thro rocks, educated ppl talk. Da will educate the ppl to talk and casatu will do the opposit. I dont see the point, o wait i see it now! The more un educated ppl the bigger the rock! Casatu dont fool ur ppl, lets work together and make a table of educated ppl, and not of what we saw on the news!

      Charl - 2012-05-16 09:49

      i dont know why u would tumb me down, it tells me u have no idea what i was pointing out, and that also tels me u have no ppl skills, like i sed, lets work together! And educate the ppl of south africa! Together we can and will make it work, but not wile ppl like u still roam this fields of hate. Lucky me i dont have a rock in my hand , its time u drop urs to.

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-05-16 15:35

      "un educated ppl thro rocks, educated ppl talk" Educated people spell correctly. Why is it so difficult to spell "people" properly? To much of a hurry?????

      Charl - 2012-05-16 18:35

      ek is afrikaans en dis my taal, is dit 'OKAY' ? lol

  • Sanele Kratos Fulele - 2012-05-16 08:42

    Media 24 is very biased...why are they selectively covering the DA's side of the story when stones were thrown from both sides? even the reporters that were on site testified to seeing stones hurled from both sides

      Danz666 - 2012-05-16 08:56

      sanele its bcos the DA march was legal while the Cosatu march was illegal.why fight someone who has made an appointment to meet and talk to U? unless if ur a bully..

      indianajohn - 2012-05-16 09:06

      what SIDE? Illegal march by Cosatu. What more is there to the story. Honestly how dumb can you get.

      Christopher - 2012-05-16 09:19

      @Indianajohn...you cannot actually reason with dumb people.The more you talk to them the dumber they get...Its a catch 22, thats why I would rather talk to you than voice my opinion to The dumb Sanele human.

      Keith - 2012-05-16 10:17

      @Sanele Really? Come on!!

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-17 23:11

      Sanele, the DA didn't bring rocks, whips, spears and tazers to the party. Cosatu supporters did. The few rocks thrown in relatiation were picked up. I can tell you now: if someone threw a rock at me I would defend myself. Even if it is with that very rock. Nxa sister, you are being biased.

  • Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-05-16 08:44

    What I'm gauging is that many young black people like me who are not even DA voters are fully sympathetic towards the DA on this issue because: 1) It's a policy that makes sense. 75% of the youth are unemployed and it would go a long way in solving this issue. 2)Cosatu were totally out of line yesterday, no doubt about it. 3)Cosatu's leaders like Jim, Vavi and Craven are being all smug while at the same time lying to the nation.

      Peter - 2012-05-16 08:51

      It takes true courage to stand up and support a party for which you do not belong to. Well said. Every time i see a comment like that of yours Im reminded that we live in a Democracy and ALL citizens can be treated equally

      jomardl - 2012-05-16 08:55

      The whole problem with the ANC and Cosatu is that they think that they deserve a monopoly on the black vote. They treat any black person who disagrees with them as a traitor. Is this freedom?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-16 09:04

      Gcwabe, the YWS is implemented in several countries and is a resounding success. It works, it really does work. COSATU block it because "it isn't decent work" and that "it is open to abuse" - these are unfounded and untested. 450000 youths could already be earning SOMETHING but instead sitting getting NOTHING but frustrated and desperate and turning to crime. COSATU DO NOT create jobs, they ensure that their membership base is strong. The young generation do not want to unionise, they want to be their own masters of elevation, they want individualistic growth. They are holding the youth back from entering the job market.

      Felix - 2012-05-16 10:38

      They want a dictatorship in the guise of communism.

  • attie.snyders - 2012-05-16 08:44

    And what about Jmpd and SAPS? They need to be investigated for only having one policeman on duty at the time COSATU started throwing stones.

      Keith - 2012-05-16 09:20

      They too scared!

      Gerald - 2012-05-16 10:14

      Attie they are Cosatu members only wearing red not their uniforms

  • J-Man - 2012-05-16 08:46

    "That is why workers are so hostile towards [DA leader] Helen Zille's party".... wrong. It is because you are uneducated, uncivilized Neanderthals. What civilized person goes around throwing stones at people on the street?? Regardless of political affiliation etc.

      Zuko Mabope - 2012-05-16 08:52

      U do know that rocks were thrown from both sides right? the media is playing for the hands that feed them on this story. call those ppl names and say what u want all they r trying to do is avoid neo-liberalist economic policies aimed at undermining their jobs, especially coming from a political party whose aim is nothing more that to undermine black leadership with no viable alternative.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-16 09:05

      @Zuko, you do know that the Youth Wage Subsidy is supported by the ANC right? You sound very ill informed, pity when there is the Internet you use to comment on issues you so clearly ignorant about.

      J-Man - 2012-05-16 09:07

      Oh please...Who started the rock-throwing/uncivilized behavior? "neo-liberalist economic policies" - do you even know what that means?? Based on your post, ("...hose aim is nothing more that to undermine black leadership..") i should actually ignore (and pity) you.

      Keith - 2012-05-16 09:22

      @Zuko You do know that the ANC initiated this policy. If indeed you do then your is a little correct. Facts before you post comes to mind

  • TheMonk - 2012-05-16 08:48

    Being one who always sympathised with Cosatu, I am disgusted at the statements of Vavi and Craven. They finally proved for one and all that they are nothing but barbarians and thugs. Who appointed Vavi and Craven to decide when violence is justified and when it is not. These are they type of people who will ensure that Africa will always be dependant on handouts.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-16 09:05

      And that the youth remain unemployed.

      Marion - 2012-05-16 11:04

      @TheMonk - I am totally bamboozled when it comes to finding out who Patrick Craven really is and why he speaks with such a British accent. Where did he come from? When did he appear on the political scene? On the COSATU page I could only find information from the time he became COSATU spokesperson. This man's background intrigues me. Does anyone know the answer to my questions?

      Ken - 2012-05-16 18:01

      @Marion PC is a UK commie reject. His life's ambition was to emigrate to the USSR after Maggie Thatcher stuffed up the unions. Over in UK is was basically a nothing. I heard Scotland Yard was investigating him hence his move (escape) over here.

      Ken - 2012-05-16 18:04

      @Marion Sorry I forget to mention that the Russians didn't want the little sh8t stirrer. Their gain our lose.

  • lucky.evans1 - 2012-05-16 08:48

    Zile just deal with it, next time u will learn how to address issues in a positive way rather than marching

      Peter - 2012-05-16 08:53

      But ANC/ANCYL/Cosatu are allowed to march. Your a racist idiot no doubt because shes white you feel she doesnt deserve the same rights as your political party

      NrGx - 2012-05-16 08:54

      Your hatred for Zille, or any "whitey" for that matter is tantamount to your moronic utterances. Just explain how throwing rocks and bricks is a positive way to react to a peaceful demonstration?

      NrGx - 2012-05-16 09:10

      "address issues in a positive way rather than marching" I just have 3 words that will render your argument null and void... BILL OF RIGHTS

      Christopher - 2012-05-16 09:22

      Whats the bet Lucky's luck is going to change...watch for it Lucky...no more luck!

      nadia.chotu - 2012-05-16 09:29

      Just deal with it? Exactly how should she deal with it? Maybe she just accept that only the ANC and it's affiliates are allowed the freedoms laid down in South Africa's Constitution? Let me tell you what you should deal with: South Africa is made up of a multitude of people from all religious backgrounds and the rest of us are entitled to call this our land just as much as any other person! If people like you can deal with that..... then people like Zillie who fight for the rights of the people as opposed to ANC fat cats and fat cat affiliates will do much good for ALL of South Africa!!!

      djmain1 - 2012-05-16 09:37

      She is dealing with it - she is taking COSATU to court for an illegal gathering and violence. Phansi COSATU, phansi!!

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-16 10:46

      @Peter You are the racist one for bringing race into this discussion . I am not an ANC nor DA member and I find it stupid when people like you label anyone whose comment they don't agree with as an ANC supporter

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-17 23:16

      She did try, Lucky. Vavi accused her of stalking him. Hell hath no fury like a women scorned. Take note.

  • Colin - 2012-05-16 08:48

    throwing stones.....how primitive we have become. Cosatu never was good at anything other than throwing stones, i am suprised it is not recognised as a national sport. perhaps it should be.

      Peter - 2012-05-16 08:53

      Maybe then we can win at something besides cricket and rugby

      Alan - 2012-05-16 10:27

      yebo - The Klippies and Coke Championships hosted bt Cosatu.

  • Eddy - 2012-05-16 08:49

    "We had the legal march. They had the illegal march," Zille told the Cape Argus. .... The tripartite alliance do not know what legal means. Helen please let them know by suing the pants off of them. They fear the DA that is why they resort to violence.

  • lucky.evans1 - 2012-05-16 08:52

    Zile juat deal with it, next time u will learn hw to address issues accordingly, why dont u start youth subsidy in ur prvince and run a demo first, so many youth in cpt are unemployed, but u are a leader there, just deal with ur small room first ok, then u cn nw do a roll out

      deabreu - 2012-05-16 09:10

      http://www.da.org.za/get_involved.htm?action=view-page&category=6300

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 10:15

      YOU ARE A NARROW MINDED NITWIT! Just goes to show that you couldn't care less about YOUR people, OTHER black africans!

      Alan - 2012-05-16 10:29

      Eish - Anybody got a couple of spare bucks to sponsor a Read and Write course for our learned friend above???

      Christopher - 2012-05-16 10:41

      Luckys luck is changing...can you feel it "Lucky"...not too lucky anymore...watch what will happen...thats waht you call unlucky.

  • Henry - 2012-05-16 08:53

    Shame on those poor casualties. 1 can't understand why they went to the confrontation of a trade union confederation and a political party, in the first place. Congratulations to the DA, they've been looking for trouble and they found it yesterday. Laying criminal charges, will just be a time consumong process. They found what they bargained for. Shame on the casualties.

      deabreu - 2012-05-16 08:58

      I hereby pledge a donation to such a cause. I have made a donation to the DA for doing what is right. Anyone else who wishes to lay criminal charges against COSATU and the scum who caused this evil, and all the other people who cannot deal with democracy: http://www.da.org.za/get_involved.htm?action=view-page&category=6300

      Timothy - 2012-05-16 09:45

      The DA always knew it would get violent... laying charges were always on the cards... Cosatu played right into the hands of the DA yesterday. OWNED...pen is mightier than the sword ;p

      Alan - 2012-05-16 10:31

      yeah Tim - The DA gained a lot of support, and the cosatu pawns lost the organisation a lot of credibility. Go DA!!!

      Marion - 2012-05-16 10:44

      Video footage says more than a thousand words...

      Kenny - 2012-05-16 14:55

      I hereby nominate Henry the dumbest peron in SA!

  • Henry - 2012-05-16 08:53

    Shame on those poor casualties. 1 can't understand why they went to the confrontation of a trade union confederation and a political party, in the first place. Congratulations to the DA, they've been looking for trouble and they found it yesterday. Laying criminal charges, will just be a time consumong process. They found what they bargained for. Shame on the casualties.

  • ryanwilson.sa - 2012-05-16 08:54

    DISGUSTING! What a bunch of immoral & brainless imbeciles... the future of SA looks mighty bleak!

  • malusi - 2012-05-16 08:56

    Dissapointed by th DA . I thought they were finally getting into real south african politics and having a say in SA streets. Any organisation that has real support can hold their own on the street. Anc, cosatu, num, taxis, ancyl, sanco etc. Any of these represent views of majority people. So if the DA represents the unemployed in this, they should rally them and get on the streets and voice their opinion. Instead they got intimidated by cosatu and ran with tails between their legs. Going to court is a p:ssy act that only minority rep would do.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-16 09:08

      So they should just stand there and get stoned by criminals? Really? Is this the level of intelligence in South Africa? Has common sense left this country?

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 10:16

      So resorting to violence is ok? Street cred gained by illegal activities is the way to go? You have a long road to recovery

      Alan - 2012-05-16 10:32

      Another Troll Alert!

  • malusi - 2012-05-16 08:56

    Dissapointed by th DA . I thought they were finally getting into real south african politics and having a say in SA streets. Any organisation that has real support can hold their own on the street. Anc, cosatu, num, taxis, ancyl, sanco etc. Any of these represent views of majority people. So if the DA represents the unemployed in this, they should rally them and get on the streets and voice their opinion. Instead they got intimidated by cosatu and ran with tails between their legs. Going to court is a p:ssy act that only minority rep would do.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-05-16 08:59

      What you propose is to fight back? Risk serious bloodshed and factional wars between political parties? In a civilized country, it is never an option. Are we civilized? Are we animals?

      Gary - 2012-05-16 09:11

      Tony, I don't this you can ask those questions as a collective 'we', because then it is not possible to answer.

      malusi - 2012-05-16 09:14

      @tony. What the DA did yesterday was coward. SA politics is violent in its nature the DA there4 needs balls of steel to take on the anc. And those that try to make this into a race issue are stupid.

      Neil Van Der Westhuizen - 2012-05-16 09:18

      malusi when are u and ur peeps eva gonna leave the bush behind? u people r all about violence....uncivilized

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 10:18

      You know what is scary? This violence reminds me of the stories i read of Sharpville, then they were fighting apartheid. Now the people are fighting their own government and unions who were put there to protect them... A sad time has come in this beautiful country again.

      smakuwa - 2012-05-16 10:41

      malusi you are right DA will never get into power as long as the white granny still calling human being refugess she is going nowhere just to die Amen

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-16 10:51

      @smakuwa, she never called anyone refugees. This is the lack of common sense I talk about... ANC spoonfed thinking.

      Marion - 2012-05-16 10:51

      @malusi - better a live coward than a rabble rouser.

      Dylan.rid - 2012-05-16 12:19

      Lol malusi with every word you write you show us more and more that you belong in the bush. So real politics is taking the matter to the street like a thug? Please you little ape for once engage your brain and take a look around you. You would have the civilised take to the street? You would have war and anarchy in the place of civilised protest? Your tribal roots are showing boy.

      Kenny - 2012-05-16 14:57

      Bha ha ha Gary good one!

  • indianajohn - 2012-05-16 09:04

    Animals.

  • Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-05-16 09:05

    Something else I gauged was that many from both sides simply had no idea what was the whole march about. A number from the DA side were saying, "we are marching because we have a right to be here". Wtf? And from the Cosatu side many were talking about labour brokers and a two-tier labour system. In no way did anybody seek to try and debate the youth wage subsidy out there.

  • Stephan - 2012-05-16 09:08

    "DA policies... will create no new jobs... and [will] lead to the impoverishment and enslavement of workers and [an] economic meltdown for South Africa," spokesperson Patrick Craven said in a statement. Luckily that is not what is already happening ....

  • Sango - 2012-05-16 09:08

    Sue those thugs

  • Musa Mahlangu - 2012-05-16 09:11

    I remember once once when the IFP was to march past the ANC headquarters and some of IFP youths tried to storm Shell house and blood was shed that day. I grew up in England and witnessed the unnecessary loss of live from the Orange marches in Ireland. Why did the DA NEED to march to COSATU offices. The decision maker here is government. The DA should have marched to government offices in Pretoria and handed their memorandum there. This was an Ill conceived march, inciteful and provocative. Now the DA says it seeks a meeting with COSATU. Really? Why did Zille not seek a meeting instead of inciting unnecessary violence? The decision maker here is government. By the way I DON'T support the DA ( nor will I ever till Jesus comes back) but I support the wage subsidy.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-17 23:23

      Musa, she did try to engage Vavi. He called her a stalker. Cosatu underpins the government, and the government, Cosatu. Does the Tri-partite Alliance ringany bells? What has Cosatu done to create jobs in this country? I am sure they are responsible for most of the job losses in SA with their incalcitrant and biased attitudes.

  • Mokgadi - 2012-05-16 09:11

    Cosatu members are older they should have behaved themselves instead of throwing stones at kids. The youth needs jobs to empower themselves intead of wasting their lives on drugs and alcohol.

  • Felix - 2012-05-16 09:12

    "A few blocks away at Cosatu House, Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi told a crowd that a youth wage subsidy would use workers' tax money to enrich company bosses and had to be opposed" I guess that is why COSATU is in an alliance with the ANC......

      Alan - 2012-05-16 10:33

      yeah - yet Vavi called the ANC a bunch of Hyaenas. Trouble brewing in Paradise?

  • Emile Josephs - 2012-05-16 09:13

    The DA did not ask for anything other than for their memorandum to be accepted, why didnt cosatu just take it and throw it in the bin afterwards. no need to send their henchmen to become violent. MORONS.

  • Nathan - 2012-05-16 09:14

    I just wonder what the repercussions would be if the tables were turned

  • Keith - 2012-05-16 09:17

    Vavi and Craven for that matter need a PK

  • ian.levinson.7 - 2012-05-16 09:18

    typical costatu jungle bunny mentality, violence is all they know and they cant even spell 'democracy' let alone know what it means

      mrsithole.cool - 2012-05-16 10:19

      Yeah maybe mean't better life one race

  • Emile Josephs - 2012-05-16 09:19

    Why is it that the idiots who oppose the DA cant string together a proper sentence? its just dem, dat,ppl, plz.

      malusi - 2012-05-16 09:28

      U r n idiot. Howz dat 4 a proper sentence

      mduduziamadeus - 2012-05-16 09:36

      It's because they were not privileged enough to go to model c schools. You gotta undestand that English is not their mother- toungue. Furthermore you gotta understand texting language

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-16 10:02

      Emile, don't be rude and insulting. Stick to the topic, play the ball not the man..

      Maltacular - 2012-05-16 10:20

      What do they say about being stupid again? Oh I get it now.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 11:09

      mduduziamadeus, english is not my mother tongue either. www.dictionary.com And do the teach text laguage in schools now?

      Dylan.rid - 2012-05-16 12:11

      @Mausi.....LOL you still failed at a \proper sentence\..........

  • Keith - 2012-05-16 09:19

    @Pointblank. You are right but I think that there are less confrontational ways of doing that. To march on Cosatu offices is a provocative thing to do and the wise Helen should have known better and used her head to find a better, less inflammatory way of getting her message across.

      Keith - 2012-05-16 09:31

      Bull, what is inflammatory about peacefully marching to hand over a memo, not demands which is the COSATU way. She maybe made a mistake of thinking COSATU would accept her with dignity and respect! PS Still embarrassed to share a name with you.

      Keith - 2012-05-16 09:50

      Well you have to take into account who you are dealing with before deciding if it will be inflammatory or not.

      Keith - 2012-05-16 10:05

      So in future no one may perform their legal and democratic right to march, ask questions, view their point and get their message across for fear of violence from a Savage unlawful group? If that should be the case where would this country be? Still in apartheid I assume?"Evil continues while good men do nothing."

      Mduduzi - 2012-05-16 11:08

      Wats provocativ abt handing ova a memo costu does dat always and it ws their constitutional right ths is similar to da sharpevil masacre it ws jst a peacful march bt bks of morons lik u keith wh belong 2da past and aprtheid polic and vavi wh cant stand a different opinion dat right has been violated and nw da AnC is pretending as if nothing happened shame n them wt their Cosatu dats y Vavi wl neva b a president w cnt b leaded by a hooligan\r\n Let him lead da hooligans lik him

  • Anakin - 2012-05-16 09:21

    2001: A Space Odyssey : Only primitive apes throw rocks at each other and club one another to death with sticks ... seems that not all of us evolved equally - prove me wrong please...

  • ludlowdj - 2012-05-16 09:22

    COSATU showing its true colors at last, their position as bodyguards to the ANC and their intolerance and outright flouting of the law, have marked them for extinction. Please anyone who was injured must lay charges against COSATU, VAVI, CRAVEN and anyone else who sticks their neck out. The law provides for the right to protest and march. socialist communist organisations like COSATU have a choice, respect the law or face the consequences

  • Keith - 2012-05-16 09:23

    Helen, If you march on a bunch of rabble-rousers do you expect them to be conciliatory?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-16 10:11

      That is one of the points to the march to show SA youth that COSATU blocking them getting jobs... Good job DA!

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-17 23:28

      It's time we make a stand: us, the silent majority of peaceful South Africans. Even you, coach potato.

  • leonard.w.gray - 2012-05-16 09:23

    DA FOREVER

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-16 09:25

    Good gesture from the part of the DA, but as we all know the police is full of the same type of animals as COSATU, and nothing will be done. Just as in all the violent ANC and COSATU marches that caused destruction and injuries (deaths in some cases like the security-guards strike) nothing was ever done. It is clear that wanton destruction, intimidation and violence is part of the "african culture"