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De Klerk taken unfairly out of context - foundation

2012-05-11 22:10

Cape Town - Former president FW de Klerk's comments about the homeland system during a CNN interview were taken unfairly out of context, the FW de Klerk Foundation said on Friday.

De Klerk's comments, made in an interview with CNN chief international correspondent Christiane Amanpour, sparked controversy, in which he admitted that apartheid was "morally indefensible", but appeared to defend the homeland system.

"The interview dealt with De Klerk’s views as a young man. He tried, as frankly as he could, to explain what motivated him at the time. What motivated him as a young man ceased many years ago to motivate him as a political leader," the foundation said in a statement.

However, as De Klerk pointed out, the National Party’s application of territorial partition was a complete failure because the territorial division was manifestly unfair, something that De Klerk was opposed to as a young politician.

Transformation


When the leadership of the National Party had become aware of the failure of its approach of territorial division it began a process of reform – and then under De Klerk’s leadership – of transformation, the foundation said.

De Klerk has apologised sincerely for the hardship, injustice and humiliation caused by apartheid. But more than merely uttering words of contrition, he led the process of dismantling apartheid and of opening the way to our present non-racial constitutional democracy. 

Deep into his retirement he continues to work for the maintenance of South Africa’s Constitution and for the realisation of its vision.

"Since the mid-eighties De Klerk has accepted that the policies that he supported as a young man were wrong and that there was not any possibility of justly settling South Africa’s complex problems on the basis of territorial partition."

Outrage

Sapa reported on Friday that social networking site Twitter was abuzz following comments made by De Klerk in the interview.

"Can't sleep after FW De Klerk interview on CNN. Counting to 10 isn't helping. Justifying apartheid in 2012? and apparently homelands were great!" Talk Radio 702 host Redi Tlhabi wrote on Thursday night.

Another tweeter @siyamtandaskota said: "This man is insane!!! Now he says blacks weren't disenfranchised - they voted in the homelands. Is FW De Klerk mad??!!".

"FW De Klerk says he 'was good friends with Madiba'. I don't want to be friends with him if he's gonna stick his friends on Robben Island," @f__kyeahbryan tweeted.

De Klerk was interviewed by the global news network at a summit of Nobel laureates in Chicago on Thursday night, The Times reported.

Morally indefensible


He discussed his "historical antagonism" and current friendship with former president Nelson Mandela, the failure of the apartheid system, and the shortcomings of the current government.

When asked whether he agreed that apartheid was morally repugnant, he said: "In as much as it trampled human rights it was and remains morally indefensible."

However, De Klerk then reportedly said about the homeland system: "But the concept of giving, as the Czechs have it now, and the Slovaks have it, of saying that ethnic unity with one culture with one language [everyone] can be happy and can fulfil their democratic aspirations in an own state, that is not repugnant."

He denied that blacks in the homelands were disenfranchised.

Not disenfranchised


"They were not disenfranchised, they voted. They were not put in homelands, the homelands were historically there. If only the developed world would put so much money into Africa, which is struggling with poverty, as we poured into those homelands. How many universities were built? How many schools?" he asked.

"At that stage the goal was separate but equal, but separate but equal failed." He said he later became "a convert" against the system.

When he asked about the state of South Africa's democracy, De Klerk reportedly said: "I'm convinced it's a solid democracy and it will remain so, but it's not a healthy democracy."

He said the ANC alliance needed to split because it was unhealthy for one party to dominate the political landscape.

Insult to dignity

Democratic Alliance parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko said on Friday that De Klerk's comments were "unfortunate and disappointing" .

It also undermined the work he did in pursuing reconciliation for the country.

"While Mr De Klerk rightfully acknowledges that apartheid was morally indefensible, he too must recognise that the entire concept of racial division through 'separate but equal' bantustans was an insult to the dignity of black South Africans," she said in a statement.

"It resulted not only in the most extreme form of asset stripping, but deprived millions of South Africans of their sense of belonging."

Rainbow nation

She said he was an important figure in "our peaceful transition to democracy, and the building of our rainbow nation".

"We urge him once again to occupy this space, as he did in 1994, to use his words to create hope and unity."

In the 1950s the apartheid government divided the black population of the country according to ethnic groups or tribes and assigned them to separate regions, which were dubbed ethnic homelands, or bantustans.

The ten bantustans were Bophuthatswana, Ciskei, Gazankulu, KaNgwane, KwaNdebele, KwaZulu, Lebowa, Qwaqwa, Transkei, and Venda.

The interview, conducted at a recent summit of Nobel Laureates in Chicago, was broadcast on CNN on Thursday night.

Comments
  • sandra.j.rennie - 2012-05-11 22:24

    I must wholeheartedly agree with Mr de Klerk, and believe me I was not an NP at all. We can have a democracy even with Homelands. I remember quite clearly all the homelands having investors from Taiwan and other overseas countries that were subsidised by the then govenment, etc ,and most of the now POVERTY STRICKEN people had jobs. I had staff in some of these areas so Yes I do know what I am talking about. The Homelands are gone and so are my contracts and staff. What has this present Government done to ensure Investment in this country ? Pray tell !

      Bonginkosi - 2012-05-11 22:47

      Nonsense not NP but AWB

      Sean - 2012-05-12 02:05

      @siyadyosiba - woodwork master!

      Rob - 2012-05-12 08:55

      siyayosiba: It is not right to force people to segregate. It is equally not right to force people to integrate. The jury is out on whether integration/multiculturalism is beneficial to society, European countries where liberal intellectuals have succeeded in influencing policy during the second half of the 20th century are now experiencing social difficulties believed to stem from multiculturalism. So on the one hand the benefits of integration through multiculturalism have yet to proved, and on the other In my opinion FORCED integration or FORCED seperation are equally distastful. The way to get individuals to take ownership of their choices, whether votes or effort, is to promote the ideas of individual liberty and individual accountability.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-12 12:34

      Gladstone, don't bore us with a display of your lack of manners.

      Rob - 2012-05-12 18:10

      siyadyosiba: You are wrong, integration is a matter of policy and is being forced on everyone. As an example, one amongst many, consider the policy regarding residential development and mixed housing. Is it good or bad, that's a matter of opinion, but it is forced integration. Now this argument can ho off at a tanget about the evils of apartheid, but that is not my point. I am saying that forcing either segregation or integration is a problem. People should be free to make their own choices.

      Antebellum - 2012-05-13 16:42

      @siyadyosiba You threaten "white racists" with genocide. Do you even realize the irony? Could you please define what a "white racist" is excactly? The punishment for being a "white racists" or wanting self determination is death, so what should the punishment be for being a "black racist" who calls for the genocide of white people? A streetwise two? Your sense of justice is completely warped by your racist mindset. It is because of people like you that segregation will be considered a viable option in future as a means of self preservation. But I'm sure this irony is lost on you as well.

      GrootWitHaai - 2012-05-13 18:29

      The afrikaners want a separate homeland too. It should be a constitutional right. If ANC MP's can make comments about white people leaving South Africa then allow them to have their own state. The ANC has already polarised this country so why the knee jerk nonsense you thieving dishonest hypocrites.

      Boeretroos - 2012-05-13 18:35

      Aggg man ! Old Pienke is a flip flopper and he screwed up everything for his own people. Bring my terug na die ou Transvaal !

  • navarrocarly - 2012-05-11 22:27

    Hey before everyone gets Chuck Norris on this topic, remember, its FRIDAY night!! Yeh! ;)

      Sean - 2012-05-12 02:52

      lol

  • Goliat - 2012-05-11 23:15

    Has this silly little man even been taken "out of context", left or right ...?

  • Sibusiso - 2012-05-11 23:55

    We the illuminate are laughing from far looking at the non developed brains arguing about weak skin pigmentation and strong pigmentation.... Lol retard!!! your hearts beat at the same rate and they pump red blood. Mwahahaha, mwahahaahahaahahaa. Racism is so 1940 mwahahahahahahaha

      Senzi Mahlangu - 2012-05-12 00:17

      yes his racist why are we shocked now life goes on -its already hard living with himself justifying his every word

      Piesangstaat - 2012-05-12 05:45

      It's Illuminati, actually! Mwahahaha, mwahahaahahaahaha

      Sibusiso - 2012-05-12 08:04

      Piesang what is illuminati? There is no such word in the dictionary, mwahahahaha. Don't tell me you also believe in fairytails, you need some light to shine on you

      Marion - 2012-05-12 15:34

      @Sibusiso - the jokes on you. Illuminati may be a fairytale, but it is in the dictionary. Try to type 'illuminati definition' in google and see what you get. No spelling errors now.

      Bobby - 2012-05-12 21:06

      So right. It has lost its charm and showed its terrible evil face in the 2nd World War, and still does.

      chrisfourielipman - 2012-05-14 22:55

      @sibosiso, you are making such a fool of yourself http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/illuminati

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-12 00:02

    This is the man who led South Africa out of the quagmire of Apartheid. It is only those who want to keep racism alive, who will not understand what he is saying. All over the world there are people striving for self determination - often along racial lines. It is just so much easier, and so much more (morbidly) satisfying, to find something to hate than to try to understand someone's reasoning which does not gel with your own. Especially when you see yourself as a morally superior victim.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-12 12:42

      This man led South Africa out of Apartheid!!!!. Excuse me if his behind wasn't kicked all over the world do you think he would have been so eager to give up his cushy little job?. Don't underesitmate the work done by the strugglers, here and overseas. Only when they helped to make the N.P a paria in the world changes were made.

  • Sibusiso - 2012-05-12 00:11

    You racist with strong pigmentation and you racist with weak pigmentation come joins us- the elite up here. Please convince a few members of your outdated ideology to come with you

      Sean - 2012-05-12 02:44

      Yip ,woodwork is your strong point ! Rather stick to it !!

      Sibusiso - 2012-05-12 02:47

      Sean stop believing in fairytails, come learn physics, I will tutor you personally. Did you have a nightmare ? Have you seen woodwork ?

      Sibusiso - 2012-05-12 02:47

      Sean stop believing in fairytails, come learn physics, I will tutor you personally. Did you have a nightmare ? Have you seen woodwork ?

      Piesangstaat - 2012-05-12 05:53

      Joint your banana republic elite. No thanks. I have a lot more dignity than that.

  • Karen - 2012-05-12 00:47

    Does 'homeland' refer to an area where people with common beliefs, language and interests live together? Where each person has his/her own piece of land and live off the land under the rule of a traditional chief or king? I'm trying to understand why people are offended and I'm sincere if I say I would like to engage in this debate in order to understand better!

      ktmazibuko - 2012-05-12 01:07

      Its offensive coz its wrong 2 separate ppl. Th tribal system needs 2 brought in line with city standards so tht th ppl can invest and own property. Under th tribal system th Chief holds all th land n th ppl a just tenants. Its injustice 2 leave ppl thr whr thr a no work opportunities bcoz thr is little investment. Who invests in property thy do not own.

      Karen - 2012-05-12 01:21

      That makes sense, thank you! I think a lot of people (whites like me) think that this is what some black people want because they still have chiefs or kings and they are fighting to keep their traditional ways! Some people might think these ways are primitive and that is why white people always sound so superior, I think! I don't think black and white cultures always try to understand each other the way we should!

      Karen - 2012-05-12 01:27

      Don't you think that some people want to be separated? Look at a China Town for example, or Somalians or Nigerians moving into a specific neighbourhood. They have a choice to do so and apartheid robbed people of that choice!

      Franklyn - 2012-05-13 19:58

      yes,there are peoples who would like to be segregated with their own laws and under their own terms,however anti-social behaviour by its nature is regarded as illegal,and the majority vote in the lawmakers that promulgate our laws....democracy is a trap,if the electorate dont use their common sense and have their vote swayed by fear or ignorance.

  • ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-12 03:49

    Its so easy to focus on all the wrong that an organisation does, especially when you dont like the fact that they got in power in the first place, and be indenial of the good they have accomplished. so I choose to focus on the good that the ANC has done, and I welcome constructive criticism...no bais BS!!!

  • rasthami.m1 - 2012-05-12 04:13

    Well if we unfairly took him out of context can you then Elaborate on what he really meant when he said black people were not disenfranchised -did we enjoy all the benefits like white people did-

  • rasthami.m1 - 2012-05-12 04:15

    Well if we unfairly took him out of context can you then Elaborate on what he really meant when he said black people were not disenfranchised -did we enjoy all the benefits like white people did-

  • boitshoko.percy - 2012-05-12 05:19

    Eish is nt nyc to b south African nowadays , whites south Africans wht Blacks south Africans owe s' you ?,u r demanding guys reli ! (pisd)

      boitshoko.percy - 2012-05-12 19:47

      Cum on is dat all cn u say ????

  • Martin-Cullen - 2012-05-12 05:52

    The ANC is a disgrace! They've done nothing for the people but lined their own pockets. ZUMA confirms that he had sex with an aids victim but will be okay, because he took a shower ??? Babies rape and disfigure for life because blacks believe baby innocence will protect them from aids? a rape every 23 seconds,1700 farmers buthered in their homes for their land? An army with out guns to protect SA boarders? What a laughing stock! Where is Holland now .. why does Europe not speak out about these atrocities for a government they placed in power? UGH !!

      ziphok1 - 2012-05-12 06:03

      I'm glad a lot of white people I know are not as stupid as you are.

      ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-12 06:14

      you see...this is the kind of bais statement I was talking about, really you must know the agenda of the ANC in and out....nothing goes past you. State facts and Ill commend you on it, but dont defamate the ANC without stating all the facts...thats just wrong

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-05-12 06:33

      @Martin-Cullen if your claims of being American are true, I will see you soon - on World's Dumbest Bloggers, channel 126 (Dstv)

      Jandl Reevo Reeves - 2012-05-12 07:45

      You guys are so blinded and brainwashed by the present government it's a joke .you guys might be fine because you have food on the table and a roof over your head that doesn't have holes in it but millions and millions of people have been failed by the present government because they don't have the competence to run even a tea room....32 countries in Africa out approx 47/50 have fallen into desperation under black rule.at the current rate of south Africa's stats with murder,rape,fraud and corruption the country is in a steady decline because the ANC does not actually care for their people.the president is so corrupt that he can't control the rest of his cronies in fear that they will expose him.so corruption and fraud is in the roots at top government level and the 30 billion that goes missing every year at this level has been stolen which could be used to create jobs or even build new jail facilities instead Of letting our criminals free because of freedom day.the fact of the matter and the Truth is the old government still ran the country with competence even though I condone the apartheid it wasn't declining into poverty which is what is happening at present

      thandazab - 2012-05-12 07:51

      @martin u wudnt know wat da ANC has done for the ppl coz u have never been to all of SA before or after 1994! We however who have lived in these areas know the difference! So jus sit there in yo Jacuzzi sip your champagne n shutup or else do your research n speak bwt facts!!! M nt ANC or support any political party coz I think they all da same all liars n thieves! Bt I do give credit where its due! Ppl wud not kEep voting if it was so totally inactive!

      Jacqui - 2012-05-12 12:56

      Martin-Cullen don't be naive, Holland and Europe did not put the ANC in power. You did. You voted for change. Why should these places say anything when your own country men and women keep quiet?. Try and get them to protest massively and see what you get. It is easier to sit here and rant, then it is to protest.

      Iceberg - 2012-05-13 09:39

      Thank you Martin for your comments and interest. To those of you attacking Martin's comment, read what Moeletsi Mbeki said about the ANC at a lecuter he delivered in Stellenbosch in this week.

  • Martin-Cullen - 2012-05-12 06:12

    @ Gladstone. I'm no Afrikaaner, but even from America it is easy to see Mr. De Klerk honesty, integrity and intelligence. He absolutely deserved more recognition that he ever got for his efforts in freeing Mandela and for the peaceful transition. It's is also obvious that the ANC has done little or nothing to assist the previous masses whom they claimed lived in poverty as they still do. Proof is in the pudding. A country that under apartheid rated as the safest in the world enjoying the highest standard of living worldwide, not off the backs of blacks, but by investment and investors and the country being well managed, reduced by the ANC gov to having the highest crime rates in the world and standard of living reduced to 3rd world. It's a known fact that most all blacks who lived during apartheid period state that life for them was better then than it is under ANC rule. Why is that? Crime, corruption, depletion of jobs, higher prices. Milk was 79cents for 2 litres in 1994 under Ance it's R20 = to 2000% Think about it? Who is benefiting, NOT THE PEOPLE but the ANC in gov only !!!

      Jacqui - 2012-05-12 13:01

      Marin-Cullen if you are not from here what right have you got to speak?. Why not take your attention to the Mississippi Delta, where our poorest still have a better life than yours. How about tackling your government's unfair system of not allowing poor people the right to decent medical help?. If there is one country in this world who cannot point a finger at another it is America. The rich have it all, the poor have bugger all.

  • Ian - 2012-05-12 06:21

    This what happens when you give your enemy an olive branch. The ANC should have not negotiated with the apartheid govt. They believed foreign countries were helping them but was actually giving them a raw deal. They were scared of the Baases at negotiations and came out with half a loaf of bread. They should have gone for a total onslaught against apartheid perpetrators. 14 years into new dispensation, they can not acquire economic freedom instead they steal from us and not forcing the rich to share our wealth. One stupid day the is near where unemployed you with revolt against govt and business people. De Klerk is like a dog with rabbies that has biten people. We know what SPCA normally does with such a dog.

  • phatudi.nathaniel - 2012-05-12 06:21

    Ohk fine with me but racism is absolute sign of stupidity,sean and piesang i dnt think you guyz are mentally normal.

  • Eduard - 2012-05-12 06:21

    The journalist/ reporter writing this report (on news24) included his/her own comments & interpretations.

  • Joseph - 2012-05-12 06:23

    De klerk should be dragged behind a truck till doomsday

      Moleseng Malepe - 2012-05-12 06:56

      De Klerk is a Mad Dog, he thinks he is a Saint.

  • busisiwe.mahlangu.37 - 2012-05-12 06:58

    Argh man whites this blacks that we are all made in the image of God. It's actually embarrassing to read all this comments and who are we to judge De klerk

      Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-05-12 07:44

      This is the most sensible comment i have read on news 24 from all racist comments, thank you for bringing this fact up, we are all created equally and are children of god, so why must man make a color dominant? I have replied on some of the comments that have made me angry, and then I see this.. Thank you

      Ta.Lepzen - 2012-05-12 08:40

      Well said my sister...is this Busisiwe from Std Bank?

      Kealeboga G-toy Selete - 2012-05-12 09:30

      dankie

      busisiwe.mahlangu.37 - 2012-05-12 13:17

      I'm still an IT student n tnx 4 ur positive replies

      ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-13 12:56

      Well God is not racist...thats why I would vote for Him

  • daan.klopper - 2012-05-12 07:02

    Shame, a 702 presenter could not sleep after the FW interview.... After listening to 702 for many years I came to the conclusion that the presenters are generally hypocrites and undercover racists of the worst kind, something I won't label FW with.

      ngcebom3 - 2012-05-12 08:27

      If you realy beleive that, than you are very good liar, managing to even convince yourself that Fw is less racist than 702 presenters. Get real

      Marion - 2012-05-12 13:54

      @daan - Could not sleep after the interview? Anus. Wonder how many sleepless nights he/she would have after reading comments on News24.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-12 15:24

      Redi probably lost her lip gloss and couldn't find the right shoes for the day, but she still is one of the most objective, balanced, honest and empathetic people I have ever had the honour of listening to. I won't expect her to retract her statement, because I believe she honestly felt like she said she did.

  • Thabo - 2012-05-12 07:16

    Unfairly taken out of context ? What did u smoke ?

      ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-12 22:46

      A racist joint...lol

  • Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-05-12 07:42

    These oldies sometimes makes sense when they talk but most of the time they talk crap that's why i don't usually listen to them.Age is catching up with them but they don't want to believe so.

      Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-05-12 08:01

      @Mattwerk,that's why i say i don't usually listen to them.It doesn't mean they always talk sense just because they are older my friend.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-12 13:11

      Tankiso isn't it true that you learn from your elders?.

  • Bheki Nas - 2012-05-12 07:54

    No one in south africa is willing to talk about racial issues...Zille,Zuma e.t.c..racism is alive and kicking in south africa...you all knows that...as for MR F.W i don't know man! U late..

      Jacqui - 2012-05-12 13:14

      Dave, you forget to mention that most of these new countries came about after a bloody war. Is that what you would envisage for South Africa?.

  • John - 2012-05-12 08:27

    We need to now focus calmly on rescueing and then rebuilding a failed state.

  • hendrikvs - 2012-05-12 08:28

    Bravo Martin-Cullen. Well said!!!

  • Gerald - 2012-05-12 08:37

    @ martin, As well meant as that may have been, it was not the right platform to speak about the current sate of the nation, not right as in it was not the subject matter, they were talking about apartheid and Mr de klerk's role. Having seen the interview I just think he was a little defensive back there, and did not communicate robustly the indignation of it all, and two statements were blatant lies, 'equal but seperate'? How could that be when white took so much of the productive land only and even then disproportionately so when looking at the stats of the time? People got to vote in the homelands....seriously now!

  • banzim1 - 2012-05-12 09:05

    Looking at all these comments,it just shows how angry we are as south africans.I am a 24 year old black south african from the transkei, too young to who never experienced the apartheid but just by looking at where we come from I get angry my mind thinks like I'm previously disadvantaged, which I'm not but the more I read, see about our history the more hurt and angry I become. I don't know y whites are angry, if they would spend one month in the soweto, khayelisha, mdantsane they would understand how we feel. It would take more 100 years for us as a nation to unite.

      John - 2012-05-12 09:58

      Great to hear from the 'not previously disadvantaged'. I know how you feel. I was not in the last Anglo/Boer War, but I get angry when I hear how the British murdered more than 60 000 women and children, just to get their hands on the gold and diamonds ...

      Jacqui - 2012-05-12 13:15

      Banzim I, may this old lady give you some advice?. Anger makes you sick, live with hope in your heart, it works with me, it will work for you too.

      Gladstone - 2012-05-12 14:46

      @John, these weren't your resources, minerals and land that you were fighting for.

      izak.burger.3 - 2012-05-12 15:13

      Banzim, you are not alone, it is a fact that the young people of today are even angrier than those who were directly affected. And its entirely understandable. When you see how wrong things are, you instinctively feel that someone must be guilty. But now the anger is directed at the descendents of the guilty. And much as they did benefit, they hardly asked to be born into this system either. I am myself such a white descendent. We are not blind. Well, not all of us. I walked into a book store the other day, saw a book by a (white) journalist who lived in Khayelitsha for years. You say a white person won't last a month? This journalist says its more like 2 weeks. We hear gunshots in our neighbourhoods and we are surprised. In Khayelitsha this happens every other night. It's bad. But what should a modern white middle to high income person do? Sell everything he's got, give it to the poor, and move to Khayelitsha? Remember that we have 9 million tax payers looking after 49 million. The best thing to do is to admit that you benefitted, and then apply it so the country benefits. Or that is how I see it. Yeah, I suppose that is a little convenient, buy it could be a lot more inconvenient for everybody if we weren't here with those skills and benefits we did receive.

  • catherineangelique.swarts - 2012-05-12 09:15

    just remember all you ppl, Mr FW DE KLERKS wife was savagely murdered, by you wonderful non racist democratic peaceloving Godly ppl. You all need to church,, bow down and beg God for forgiveness for has happened, both Black and white. you all are causing Our children alot of damage. terrorism, hate, unforgiveness. God is watching you all!

      Ntokozo Lima - 2012-05-14 17:20

      very true Catherine

  • Kobus - 2012-05-12 09:19

    People, maybe FW starts to realise he contributed to the down fall of a country. Pre 1994 the average income difference between black and white was 3:1, in 2007 that has changed to 6:1. Meaning that apart from some, the majority have become much poorer. This is evident in the increase of people depending on state subsidy. We have one of the worst education systems in Africa, also the majority of people affected are black because most of the ‘model C’ schools have better teachers and quality education. The ANC is well known not only for its corruption but also for making stupid corrupt decisions in contracting overseas firms to do work that could have been done by companies in SA for Example E-toll. Making people rich in other countries is not helping everybody. Health Care is in a mess, more than 16 000 people getting murdered every year (mostly black), Infrastructure breakdown, Increase in living cost (Eskom failure to act in increasing power generation resulted in sharp increases in power cost effecting production cost and decreasing competitiveness to rest of world, increasing unemployment. And the list goes on. I just find it very funny that the majority of black people on this block with a high level of literacy will defend the new SA. That said, I do love living in this country with its diversity, but we need that the blacks start to sort out their own political leaders and we need the right political leaders (blacks) to step forward on stop this mess.

      Johannes - 2012-05-12 11:29

      @Fanie - The only way I see things goign forward if eveyone just does what they are supposed to. That is a braod statement but very simple. If you work in the private sector and you do your job the compny makes money and all goes well. if you do not do your job you get wardned and eventually you are asked to leave. In the public sector there is no coomitment/loyalty and consiquence. You don't get fired. Hard workign peopel are worked to death int eh public sector and eventually they leave as few has to do the work of many. Visit any public department and you will see one workign and 5 resting. The absent figures are almost 40% on a daily basis. How, how how is this country goign to change if the guys runnign it is not willign to add their value to it. Gravy train entitlement needs to be taken from the mind set!

      Kobus - 2012-05-12 16:48

      Hello Fannie, I do not mean that apartheid was the right thing to do. I just highlighted the fact that during an era were black were opressed the majority was richer than they are now. This shows you that if the basic things are done right in a government (schools etc) the majority will be better of. The way forward unfortunately is in the hands of the black majority, Tannie Helen cannot change SA. And I do not see the DA growing significantly. The way forward is to replace the ANC with a party such as the DA. Its just unlikely. So I am worried about the future like most of us. Knowing what must happen but not knowing how to get there.

      Kobus - 2012-05-12 16:59

      Hello Fannie, I do not mean that apartheid was the right thing to do. I just highlighted the fact that during an era were black were opressed the majority was richer than they are now. This shows you that if the basic things are done right in a government (schools etc) the majority will be better of. The way forward unfortunately is in the hands of the black majority, Tannie Helen cannot change SA. And I do not see the DA growing significantly. The way forward is to replace the ANC with a party such as the DA. Its just unlikely. So I am worried about the future like most of us. Knowing what must happen but not knowing how to get there.

  • kimard - 2012-05-12 09:33

    one thing i want to ask/point out show me articles of court cases re: corruption old regime? the current government will be the first to get those people jailed! and dont tell me they weren't/aren't looking! what do we read in almost every newspaper every day? corruption, murder, rape, nepotism, robberies, etc you lot in sa are getting effed over by your "wonderful" leaders.

      Marion - 2012-05-12 17:26

      @kimard - I think your post may have ended up on the wrong article. (i.e. think you may have been commenting on article about Thuli and it ended up here). There was corruption when the NP was in power. Two things that I remember clearly are the Eschel Roodie saga and the fact that PW Botha used an airforce helicopter for a hunting trip. So much was hidden from us in those days that I have no doubt that there were many cases that were swept under the carpet. I'm sure there is more information about NP corruption online somewhere .

  • George Bennie - 2012-05-12 09:40

    I'm gatvol of this. Isn't every layman? All this 'old man' bigotry, misogyny, polygamy across racial lines proves only one thing, we the youth must sweep this country clean. It's time we put these heirlooms in a box and pack them away. They're all ugly and outdated.

  • Ingi - 2012-05-12 10:16

    Aw, c'mon, give this guy a break, HE was the one who SAVED S.A.!!! He was the one who realised how bad apartheid was and how important it was to change for you for me and for everybody!!! He re-wrote the history of this Country. VIVA MR DE KELK, VIVA!!!

  • colin.ashby.35 - 2012-05-12 10:16

    you cannot expect one man to make all wrongs right in a short time.what he did was right for the time and will always remain so.

  • henrileriche - 2012-05-12 11:12

    If homelands was so "bad", why don't the ANC want to give whites a homeland? I will tell you why, because without 4 million white tax paying slaves, South Africa would be a total failure, and the ANC can't enforce it's anti-white racist laws. Give us a homeland, and once again, we will be Africa's topdog. This is the boogey man of the ANC they fear most. And good on them. It is something to fear because homelands/self determination, is becoming fashion in 2012 onwards. That's why we joined the UNPO.org. Look them up and see what they stand for. There's nothing wrong with homelands. It's an international accepted way of living for people. Go educate yourselves. There are many ignoranusses on here, but don't worry, ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever. The only problem is, you got to educate yourself but i guess, many of you will stay stupid.

      Luvhani - 2012-05-12 11:48

      Why shud the ANC do that, if you want it why dnt u just do it yourselves and stop presenting yourself as a spokesperson for white south african and speak only for yourself.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-12 13:04

      @Henri. I was made by apartheid to believe white people are smart. This theory is being contradicted everyday by the likes of you. I'm now believing the opposite. Thanks to liberation.

      Brett - 2012-05-12 17:50

      I agree. Republic of Western Cape.

  • alex.radnitz - 2012-05-12 11:37

    Personally I never take what any politician says very seriously. Black, colored or white. As I will never know the true motivation behind what they are saying. The action that is taken by politicians is much more important. The action De Klerk took to dismantle Apartheid was successful and had the result that us South Africans were asking for. Whether or not his intentions were just is irrelevant. We got what we asked for. Now in Modern South Africa the responsibility of these leaders is to provide what their citizens are asking for: education, housing, municiple services, safety and security, freedom without oppression. These are very clear goals with very clear steps to take for an outcome. It is not based on race and the person who chooses to be lured by politicians who use their words to convince them, without congruent action or with actions that give undesirable results, is following a weak leader. Black,colored or white. I am an awake, intelligent and caring South African and you will not fool me, black, colored or white.

  • Jacqui - 2012-05-12 12:29

    Fossils should be viewed in a museum and not be allowed to speak. The one time I met him in Holland he was an arrogant piece of work and not at all pleased with me. That made me feel really nice.

  • Marion - 2012-05-12 13:16

    Anyone who listened to the extract of the interview that was flighted on tv news and had the intelligence to punctuate it would realize that his words have been manipulated for devious ends. He quite clearly referred to what his belief system was when he was young.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-12 13:26

      I fully understand it. However, what is wrong is, he still now clearly maintains that homelandship is not a bad thing.

      Marion - 2012-05-12 14:17

      @siyadyosiba - as I recall he said he believes in 'the CONCEPT' of homelands and if that is his opinion, he is entitled to it. In my opinion he also had a right to express why Apartheid (separate development) didn't work in his opinion when similar systems work in other countries. (In fact I think he was asked outright why it didn't work.) Insofar as all the atrocities of apartheid go, he has apologized more than once for what the Nationalist Party did when it was in power. That includes atrocities, pass laws, forced relocation, etc., http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/media/1997/9705/s970514a.htm

      boitumelo.moleleki - 2012-05-13 19:12

      I also agree that the concept wasn't a bad one,its application was the problem.With all the animosity between all these different ethnic groups living in SA,even now it'll take a VERY long time for people to learn to live together.

  • banzim1 - 2012-05-12 14:04

    We just need to forgive and forget. We can never fully forgive if we don't 4get. Its the only way of moving this country forward!

  • Willie - 2012-05-12 14:04

    ".....were taken unfairly out of context......" The same old story!!!! FW stop hiding and standup like a man and acknowledge you let the country down.........Your foundantion is a farse!!!!!!

      Marion - 2012-05-12 14:18

      @Willie - in what way did he let the country down as a politician?

  • WhiteNut - 2012-05-12 14:23

    Zimbabwe has really set a good example about how to really empower ordinary citizens. Everybody criticized their land policy but now we can all see the good fruits, agriculture is picking up. The majority of Zimbabwean are happy now, they can farm do a lot of economic activities on their land. In SA the process is also inevitable, it will be painful @ first, but definitely worth th course and full-filling

      Brett - 2012-05-12 17:46

      Really? Then why are they importing thousands of tons of maize from Zambia? And why is the international community raising funds to pay for it?

      ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-12 18:07

      Lets hope that day comes soon as for Brett the RETARD...stop looking at South Africa through your butt crack, no wonder all you see is sht

      Harry - 2012-05-12 23:15

      I don't think the 1.5 million Zimbabweans who need food aid will agree with you.

  • Saamprater - 2012-05-12 21:01

    In context, out of context, I don't care, but I will give everything for a "homeland" of my own.

  • ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-12 22:10

    Those Afrikaans people who still think apartheid and racism was better...here is a middle finger for your troubles...its the least I can do :)

      ivan.matshaba1 - 2012-05-13 12:12

      Sam...you Afrikaans teef!!! for your information Im finishing off my degree and as for your "werk", most black people dont mind because they at least get paid enough to live on. Unlike with your POEPHOL(apartheid) government. At rural public schools there is even feeding schemes funded by the goverment...so captain POEPHOL, take your aprtheid and shuve it up your narrow *ss ;)

  • John Duncan - 2012-05-13 06:44

    Do not understand why a man who dismantled a huge failure, saved Rainbow Nation from a civil war ,that would have killed millions and probably plunged our country into chaos ,was disliked and looked on as a traitor to so many of his fellow Afrikaaner has apologized for the atrocities caused by the apartheid system ,should be so hated by the blacks of our country He gave them their freedom and all they stood for and fought for I suppose I will now be termed Racist because I say Black but I am not I am white ,and South African and proud of it So let's stop this stupid Racist divide and rather stand together and put our workers back to work Send the immigrants home and add value to all our valuable resources that the whole world requires and we give away in its raw state instead o adding value Many would go back to work and we would not have to be a welfare state

  • owlcritic - 2012-05-13 12:04

    Mr De Klerk may after all not be such a putz as the world will have us believe. For years i have been perplexed by his political and strategic shortsightedness and naivete; as I was about the world in general's. The knee-jerk rejection of nation states after the second world war and the holocaust led to the wholesale destruction of ethnic groups and cultures under the guise of human rights. What are the Tamils, the Basques, the Flemish, Tutsis and a number of others striving and fighting for? Identity, language, culture.. Ironically the human rights these things represent are denied them in the name of human rights. The paradox apparently escapes the world at large. How are these people to protect their rights and themselves from being destroyed and dissolved in a world where only the rights of a majority is acknowledged. Mr De Klerk, Hendrik Vewoerd and other minority leaders around the globe may very well in future prove to have been visionaries rather than villians. Dr Verwoerd on occasion said,"you disrespect the culture of another at your own peril"

  • tshepo.kgwadi.3 - 2012-05-13 15:13

    hey you, stop trying to be a spin doctor!! he was out of line & that's it!!!

  • Billy - 2012-05-14 04:01

    uuurgh. really?? how long is this rubbish going to drag out now?? you can clearly hear and see what he is saying. its SO much better for the media if he said, "I supported and still support apartheid", isnt it. lol why is the media dragging out racism? stop shoving it in our faces! and worst of all, stop making it up!! stop looking for it in places that its not!! im starting the think the media is being used to fuel racism!

  • Rynette - 2012-05-14 06:09

    Anything that comes from an adulterer's mouth shouldn't be even entertained as well Viva Mandela! Go to hell De Klerk!

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